Vgstation13: No-Fruit Exceptions

[Shadowmech88]

There's been talk about how some plants and/or foods should not be obtainable via the no-fruit. I think that's fair.
But I'm going to need a list of all such plants/food to be able to do so.

So, what should be excluded?

[Kurfursten]

Anything from the normal seed dispenser (even contraband like harebell) should be fair game, anything else should be excluded. No preference on kudzu and no-fruit as options. Some mutants were excluded from this list based on the fact that they don't apply (e.g.: killer tomatoes, egg-plants)

Breadfruit, Woodapple, Pitcher Plant, Aloe, Garlic, Chicken of the Stars, Vapor Sac
Amauri, Gelthi, Jurlmah, Surik, Telriis, Thaadra, Vale
Ambrosia Deus, Poison Apple, Golden Apple, Nova Flowers, Moon Flowers, Destroying Angels, Koibeans, Blood Tomato, Blue Tomato, Bluespace Tomato, Glowberries, Poisonberries, Deathberries, Green Grapes, Ghost Peppers, Ice Peppers

[Blithering]

I'd say everything but the traitor ambrosia and some of the weirder options like venomous spittle sacs is fine, not sure why the latter is even an option as it's a byproduct of processing spider meat rather than a plant.

[Kurfursten]

@Blithering You're thinking of the pie, not the fruit. The fruit only pulls growns.

[Blithering]

Righto. Just the traitor ambrosia springs to mind then.

[despotate]

Remove anything that adds unique reagents from the no-fruit pie list. A glaring example is the big roburger head which contains 100 nanites. There's a lot of these. And you're gonna have to update the lists whenever you add new growns or foods. Either you nerf no-fruit with "always rattling and get shitty potato" or you actually make no-fruit a limited quantity, but able to access all growns and foods. It seems everyone's decided on the former.

[kilozombie]

I'm not sure why you need 100 nanites, considering an oddy can make infinite mednanobots.
Nerfing no-fruit pie is a meme and needs to die.

[despotate]

I'm not sure why you need 100 nanites, considering an oddy can make infinite mednanobots.

I'm not sure why you'd use this exploit, considering you can just use the even bigger exploit

Also, combat nanobots.

[kilozombie]

My point is, once again, until something powergamey actually starts being done with it, all you're doing is theorycrafting.
You can't just arbitrarily remove things because they have a use in the game that provides an alternative solution to a problem.

edit for your edit: Cool down mednanobots into nanobots and then make them into combat nanobots.

[Blithering]

I'm not a fan of the idea of strictly forcing a limited quantity on no fruits. It feels too much like punishing ingenuity when you can't use your xenobotany skills to make it healthier and more productive. that said, I'm neutral on the changes suggested otherwise. RNG whack-a-meals sound fun, but I can't deny the usefulness of being able to time your hits correctly and get that rice seed you wanted to make your dreams of a vox sushi bar come to fruition. Hopefully there's a solution that both parties can be happy with.

[JustSumBody]

Odysseus chem synthing is an exploit

u wot

[despotate]

HARD WORK and chemistry not odysseus and THIN AIR. ok. praise spess

[kilozombie]

Building an entire Oddy (or attempting futilely to get Robotics to do it, in this case) and getting it to Medbay and having to acquire mednanobots in the first place and then shooting it out of syringes and sticking it into a different beaker? Not HARD WORK.

Just making more mednanobots in the first place? Yes, that's clearly HARD WORK!

fuck off with that

[despotate]

Why even bother enforcing RP standards for this server when so many actions people take are a blatant exploit or oversight that've been unchallenged so long that they've become the norm?

[kilozombie]

>>>/bay/

No, but, in all seriousness, you can't remove half the actions in the game. SS13 has been built on people getting better and better at jobs. If mednanobots are on the oddy synthesizer list, by God they're meant to be there.

Now, I'm a huge fan of roleplay. I spend my time doing it. I've hosted D&D campaigns and I try and flesh out my characters very well. But at the same time, I don't come to /vg/ solely for that. The fact that it's there is nice, and so is the fact that the players are robust and the code is solid and there's tons of room for autism.

I'll happily do some 'no-fruit pie exploiting' if it means I get to have Chikiwek Bakery, sell baked goods to people, hang out, relax, chat, and exist in the Comfy. Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Why do you have to dumb down the game to make the RP great?

[Killette2]

I made an issue on this forever ago and the admins were fine with even Ambrosia C back then. That is the only thing I can think of, and I think no-pie should have no-bans

https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/issues/9456

[kilozombie]

Always appreciate when one of my clones comes to back me up.

[9600bauds]

I consider this mostly fulfilled, please give everyone a rest for a while and see how the new anti-nofruitspam changes work before opening another issue if you consider nofruitpie still cray