Runelite: Disable custom chrome on MacOS by default

[LullaAI]

I have read a lot of threads about this feature, but I don't find anything related to it, so I don't know if you are going to develop it in the future or not. I think that it would be nice to be able to run Runelite with fullscreen mode on Mac

[lukegg]

This is achievable by disabling "Enable custom window chrome" under RuneLites' configuration plugin. It restores the OS's native titlebar, thus allowing fullscreening on macOS. This screenshot is obviously from Windows, but it works as expected on Mac as I was utilizing it yesterday.

[LullaAI]

It worked like a charm.

I think it could be a good idea to put it like default option.

Thanks!

[Optumasfx]

Agreed, can this please be the default option for macs? @Adam-

[makingcomment]

Definitely don't make custom chrome disabled by default. The button to toggle the sidebar that's added near the minimap with custom chrome disabled is not obvious.

[Optumasfx]

Definitely don't make custom chrome the default. The button to toggle the sidebar that's added near the minimap with custom chrome disabled is not obvious.

I'm not sure what you are talking about? can you please show us a screenshot?

I personally think disable chrome should be default on mac because it breaks the full screen feature and the ability to use password managers such as 1password. It looks better too 👍

https://1password.community/discussion/94251/cant-autotype-password-to-specific-application

[makingcomment]

Definitely don't make custom chrome disabled by default. The button to toggle the sidebar that's added near the minimap with custom chrome disabled is not obvious.

I'm not sure what you are talking about? can you please show us a screenshot?

With custom chrome disabled, the toggle for the sidebar is moved to the pictured button, which is only visible on hover.

[Nightfirecat]

I think that is a separate but related concern. It seems worthwhile to investigate a better UX for toggling the sidebar with custom chrome disabled whether or not we choose to disable custom chrome on MacOS by default. I didn't see any open issues for this, one should be created so that can be discussed there.

[psikoi]

Maybe a more sensible solution is to display a dialog/message asking mac users if they'd like to turn it off, with a quick explanation on why they might want to.

Nothing too intrusive that would delay their gameplay.

[kslop]

Maybe a more sensible solution is to display a dialog/message asking mac users if they'd like to turn it off, with a quick explanation on why they might want to.

Nothing too intrusive that would delay their gameplay.

It should be off by default. It literally breaks mac features

https://1password.community/discussion/94251/cant-autotype-password-to-specific-application

Unless I am missing something what are the benefits of keeping it on for a mac user?

[makingcomment]

Unless I am missing something what are the benefits of keeping it on for a mac user?

Better sidebar UX, as I mentioned in my post.

[kslop]

Unless I am missing something what are the benefits of keeping it on for a mac user?

Better sidebar UX, as I mentioned in my post.

That is subjective but what is not is that it is breaking built in mac features which includes security.

[makingcomment]

breaking built in mac features which includes security

1Password is not a built-in mac feature.

[kslop]

breaking built in mac features which includes security

1Password is not a built-in mac feature.

Copy and paste is which does not work when it is enabled

[makingcomment]

breaking built in mac features which includes security

1Password is not a built-in mac feature.

Copy and paste is which does not work when it is enabled.

Copy and paste still works with custom chrome though... I just tested it.
Can you describe the steps you're taking for it to fail? Are you sure you have the login screen plugin's Ctrl-V setting enabled?

[kslop]

breaking built in mac features which includes security

1Password is not a built-in mac feature.

Copy and paste is which does not work when it is enabled.

Copy and paste still works with custom chrome though... I just tested it.
Can you describe the steps you're taking for it to fail? Are you sure you have the login screen plugin's Ctrl-V setting enabled?

Thank you that fixed it. Do you know why Ctrl-V setting is not enabled by default?

[Optumasfx]

So you want to break features for OSX because you don't like the UX? Even the official client does not have a custom chrome window. Everything on OSX/Linux is unified for a reason.

[Hydrox6]

The official client does not have a custom window because it's simply a wrapper around the game itself so it can run outside of the browser, not providing any UI to the player like RL's UI does. If you want the unified UI, you can already disable Custom Chrome; this issue isn't about its existence

[Optumasfx]

The official client does not have a custom window because it's simply a wrapper around the game itself so it can run outside of the browser, not providing any UI to the player like RL's UI does. If you want the unified UI, you can already disable Custom Chrome; this issue isn't about its existence

Shouldn't it be the other way round? if you don't want a unified UI you can enable the custom chrome feature but let the users know that it is breaking osx features for a cosmetic look.

[Hydrox6]

It's on by default since RL is unified across all versions. This is not unique to this; a lot of programs do it to have a consistent brand.

[Optumasfx]

Adam is open to changing that for linux so surely that would apply for osx? He isn't concerned about a consistent brand. He is for the users.

Screenshot:

[makingcomment]

So you want to break features for OSX because you don't like the UX?

Absolutely yes

(ideally, everything would work with custom chrome. But when I'm using RuneLite, my priority is having RuneLite work in the way I want)

[Optumasfx]

So you want to break features for OSX because you don't like the UX?

Absolutely yes

(ideally, everything would work with custom chrome. But when I'm using RuneLite, my priority is having RuneLite work in the way I want)

That is why there is an option to enable it? it should be off by default to give the best experience for the user per the operating system.

[kslop]

So you want to break features for OSX because you don't like the UX?

Absolutely yes
(ideally, everything would work with custom chrome. But when I'm using RuneLite, my priority is having RuneLite work in the way I want)

That is why there is an option to enable it? it should be off by default to give the best experience for the user per the operating system.

Agreed +1

[makingcomment]

So you want to break features for OSX because you don't like the UX?

Absolutely yes
(ideally, everything would work with custom chrome. But when I'm using RuneLite, my priority is having RuneLite work in the way I want)

That is why there is an option to enable it? it should be off by default to give the best experience for the user per the operating system.

I think it should be on by default to give the best experience for the user per the program that they have actively decided to use.

[Optumasfx]

Adam and many respected members like dkvl are not opposed to changing it to being disabled by default.

[makingcomment]

Adam and many respected members like dkvl are not opposed to changing it to being disabled by default.

There's a difference between "not opposed to" and "in favor of"

[Optumasfx]

Okay. I just personally think it should be disabled due to breaking critical features for osx and can cause performance issues. Brooklyn can attest to this.

I am happy to let anyone view this on teamviewer. having it enabled does not make sense for osx but for people like you there should be an option to enable it.

[makingcomment]

Okay. I just personally think it should be disabled due to breaking critical features for osx

Fullscreen and password managers are not critical features imo, and based on @kslop's comments, the later may not even be broken. Are there other critical features you're referring to?

and can cause performance issues

What performance issues does it cause? That hasn't been brought up in this thread before.

for people like you there should be an option to enable it.

I think there are more people like me than there are people like you (based on absolutely no evidence 🙃). If that's the case, it would be better to keep it opt-out than to switch to opt-in.

[kslop]

People who are in the Apple ecosystem tend to be professionals so fullscreen is important if you value multiple desktops to multi task

[Optumasfx]

Password managers are actually really important especially when most people reuse passwords which are leaked in database breaches. Good passwords should not be remembered.

please refer to https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

even Jagex themselves recommend their users to use a Password Manager? https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/206558669-Password-creation-advice

[kslop]

I think there are more people like me than there are people like you

There are people even complaining on https://1password.community/discussion/94251/cant-autotype-password-to-specific-application

[LlemonDuck]

I think there are more people like me than there are people like you

There are people even complaining on https://1password.community/discussion/94251/cant-autotype-password-to-specific-application

If anything, this shows that it's more of a 1Password problem than a RuneLite problem imo

[Optumasfx]

If anything, this shows that it's more of a 1Password problem than a RuneLite problem imo

Maybe if that was the only problem but it breaks full screen and multiple desktops.

[makingcomment]

Password managers are actually really important especially when most people reuse passwords which are leaked in database breaches. Good passwords should not be remembered.

please refer to https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

even Jagex themselves recommend their users to use a Password Manager? https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/206558669-Password-creation-advice

Does custom chrome _actually_ break password managers? Like I said, kslop's comments make it seem like it might be an issue with the login plugin rather than the custom chrome

I think there are more people like me than there are people like you

There are people even complaining on https://1password.community/discussion/94251/cant-autotype-password-to-specific-application

This is a textbook example of selection bias.

Maybe if that was the only problem but it breaks full screen and multiple desktops.

You can use multiple desktops on a mac without putting an app in fullscreen...

[Optumasfx]

Does custom chrome _actually_ break password managers? Like I said, kslop's comments make it seem like it might be an issue with the login plugin rather than the custom chrome

Yes Password Managers can't detect the window and require auto typing for it to work.

You can use multiple desktops on a mac without putting an app in fullscreen...

But not with the best experience.

[Hydrox6]

Yes Password Managers can't detect the window and require auto typing for it to work.

Except KeePass apparently works fine

[dekvall]

Resolved by 8cc7448f58f62c28d752d4717af840499405f6f5

[Optumasfx]

Resolved by 8cc7448

If its on keep game size instead of keep windows size with custom chrome disabled its a bit funky when fullscreen

I spoke about it here https://github.com/runelite/runelite/issues/13017