Openstreetmap-carto: Add rendering for tourism=artwork
The tag tourism=artwork should be rendered with icon.
matthijsmelissen
All 48 comments
If the individual artwork was noteworthy it would be an attraction that would be rendered.
I would close
Rovastar
on 6 Aug 2014
Not sure. I think sculptures are always landmarks, even when they are not attractions.
matthijsmelissen
on 7 Aug 2014
- and if they are attractions, you can't se what kind of attraction - only a name - if it is known. I think an icon for artwork is needed.
moliha
on 7 Aug 2014
We obviously could add icons for every possible tag but we don't we only add notable/worthy ones. I think currently there is a pause on adding new icons hence another reason for a close.
Rovastar
on 7 Aug 2014
there is a pause on adding new icons
Yes, but I think we can leave the issues open for the next phase.
matthijsmelissen
on 7 Aug 2014
Names of artworks would be useful to show as points; this is shown on the cycle map, and I definitely miss it on the regular map.
neiljp
on 21 Nov 2014
As of writing this comment, the lack of tourism=artwork rendering currently prevents the individual letters of the Hollywood sign from appearing on the map. The map only shows some trace of the sign because there’s a redundant tourism=attraction POI nearby.
1ec5
on 26 Nov 2014
2014-11-26 18:44 GMT+01:00 Minh Nguyá»…n [email protected]:
The map only shows some trace of the sign because there’s a redundant
tourism=attraction POI nearby.
yes. this was re-added shortly after I had removed the duplication node
because of the already present, detailed site relation. The mapper wanted
to see something rendered on the main map. I think generally it is a
problem to render "tourism=attraction" and "name" without any other tags
that actually say what it is (it's kind of a catch-all, something that the
current style-team generally wants to get rid of). FYI, there is now a
ticket for osm2pgsql and maybe in the future we will have site-relations in
the rendering db so that a label for stuff like this can be displayed
without having to duplicate data.
cheers,
Martin
dieterdreist
on 27 Nov 2014
I guess the icon is worth showing even without the name - at least for such artwork types as sculpture, statue or a stone. In the parks for example they are the common landmarks, together with some buildings and fountains (that's why I have created this ticket: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/705).
kocio-pl
on 7 Mar 2015
Currently 37500 occurrences, most of them nodes, about 2500 on ways (e.g., on walls).
polarbearing
on 11 Sep 2015
I guess this is so broad category, that I would rather wait for database reload, so we could know exact type and join them with corresponding memorial types. We could render them that way for example:
- architecture - could be rendered like tourist attraction (with star)
- mural/painting - icon showing the general "picture" could be good - but probably it would be good to have something like this for art galleries too, although not the same
- sculpture - maybe some famous shape (other than statue)
- statue - the same as memorial=statue (general "statue" shape could work)
- stone - probably very similar (or the same) to rocks and memorial=stone
It's hard for me to imagine the general "artwork" icon, but I can test some ideas. If this is accepted, we wouldn't have to wait for anything more.
kocio-pl
on 11 Sep 2015
I detailed some problems with tourism=attraction here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:tourism%3Dattraction
jojo4u
on 11 Sep 2015
What about something abstract like this?
kocio-pl
on 28 Sep 2015
@kocio-pl yes, any icon will work.
Even coloured dot (similar to shop=yes), tourism=artwork features are important landmarks at z17+ levels (or even 16+).
I think they should be rendered equally with historic=memorial; but some metropolitan areas have too many sculptures IRL and rendering of tourism=artwork isn't important for them.
d1g
on 21 Apr 2016
Looks like eclipsing shapes doesn't work with such a limited matrix - it's hardly recognizable:
1) 
but a simpler idea might work:
2) 
kocio-pl
on 10 Jun 2016
I really like the general idea. But with the triangle at the bottom, it somehow reminds me of a vintage camera. Could the triangle be at the top again?
Jotam
on 13 Jul 2016
Sure (4 seems to be balanced best of them):
3) 
4) 
5) 
kocio-pl
on 13 Jul 2016
4) is a good icon.
Without knowing it, I would not read it as "artwork", though. (Toy blocks = childcare would be my first guess). How do others interpret the three shapes?
Would a palette (like https://cdn0.iconfinder.com/data/icons/business-vector-tab-bar-icons/48/painter_palette-512.png ) be a good idea for all artworks? Or would we get complaints that a statue is not a painting...?
daganzdaanda
on 18 Jul 2016
IMO there is no sure solution, since it could also mean shop=art (in violet), art gallery or arts centre. I like abstract blocks as the artwork can be very different - like sculpture, graffiti, stone, painting, logo, installation... However I don't exclude palette if we agree about other possible uses of this symbol.
kocio-pl
on 18 Jul 2016
I vote for no4.
There no good icon for sculptures in any case. Having icon for "paintings" is possible, but:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/artwork_type#values:
sculpture 15 942 56.73%
statue 8 394 29.87%
Please make a _good enough_ icon for these 2 first rather how to include special case rendering of 1.25% :)
d1g
on 18 Jul 2016
So maybe we could design general statue icon, to match just the majority of cases (since 15% is relatively unimportant)?
kocio-pl
on 18 Jul 2016
How about something very simple and very abstract?
Jotam
on 22 Jul 2016
I don't know, but if you provide SVG link, I can test it visually at least.
kocio-pl
on 22 Jul 2016
Jotam
on 22 Jul 2016
And maybe also try this 
http://roeskamp.de/osm/artwork_02.svg
Jotam
on 22 Jul 2016
Thanks! For me it looks like it's visually much better, because spiral pattern is lighter than mine (even crowded z18 is OK), but I feel it's too abstract.
Warsaw, z18:
z19:
kocio-pl
on 22 Jul 2016
Second pattern is too heavy IMO comparing to monument and museum icons:
kocio-pl
on 22 Jul 2016
Unfortunately, you are right about the second version. In places that are "cramped" with artwork, it's way to heavy. The question is if this makes sense at all. Don't get me wrong - I absolutely agree with tourism=artwork being rendered. But maybe only at the lowest zoom level. I quite like the icon when it's a single instance, though.
Jotam
on 22 Jul 2016
The spiral shaped icon works fine. The fact that it's lighter is a good thing. Is it really too abstract? Some other opinions would be great.
Jotam
on 22 Jul 2016
What about statue-like design (technically it's toilet+monument =} )? I like it. It's light, similar to info point lightness (small "i" letter), but it still resembles popular artwork type and works reasonably even in the worst case (crowded z17):
Saski Park (z17-z19):
and Lazienki Park (z17-z19):
If we have more artwork-crowded places we could show only named artworks from z17 and the rest (without name) from z18.
kocio-pl
on 22 Jul 2016
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Il giorno 22 lug 2016, alle ore 22:15, Jotam [email protected] ha scritto:
But maybe only at the lowest zoom level. I quite like the icon when it's a single instance, though.
we could watch out for the combination with attraction. Rendering artwork will make more sense when hstore is active and we can differentiate by type
dieterdreist
on 22 Jul 2016
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Il giorno 22 lug 2016, alle ore 22:19, Jotam [email protected] ha scritto:
The spiral shaped icon works fine. The fact that it's lighter is a good thing. Is it really too abstract? Some other opinions would be great.
it's a bit too big, with 1 wind less it would be better I think. Generally it could work, but still e.g. in the case of a statue there is some discrepancy in the overall shape.
I could imagine also a tiny square (which doesn't convey any shape because more evidently represents a point) and a label
dieterdreist
on 22 Jul 2016
Brilliant idea to combine "toilet" and "monument". :-) However, I see two problems: one is that it resembles the memorial icon. Another is that this proposal focuses only on statues. It would not be a good representation of graffiti, paintings, etc.
Your first approach (triangle, square, and circle) was very abstract. And I think we should pursue this idea further.
Jotam
on 22 Jul 2016
For me it looks like the Oscar statue and is substantially different than memorial icon (compare both types in Lazienki Park for example).
I also think focus on ~85% of objects is a fair trade for now. However when hstore will be available I think we could use spiral for all the other artwork types (~15%).
kocio-pl
on 22 Jul 2016
I like that statue icon! It's very understandable and not intrusive. Great way to recycle existing elements and still be different enough to avoid confusion.
sculpture 16 000 56.69%
statue 8 433 29.88%
A sculpture is a work made of stone, metal, ceramic, wood or other material. If the work represents people or animals, you should use artwork_type=statue instead.
So, ~70% of artwork_types are not statues. Sculptures are probably mostly abstract, and could use a more abstract icon, like the spiral.
What about making the spiral a bit smaller like @dieterdreist said? maybe 1,5 turns would already be enough, and could allow for thickening the line a bit?
Another idea would be to use the small pedestal from the "oscar statue" and put a small diamond shape and a circle on top of it. So its similar in size and shape (not so dense), but more abstract.
daganzdaanda
on 23 Jul 2016
I tried both your suggestions. Unfortunately, 1,5 turns don't work for the spiral. It's hardly a spiral any more. But 2,3 turns are fine. See here: http://roeskamp.de/osm/artwork_01-02.svg
I also liked your other idea with the diamond. I had started to think into the same direction already. :-) Is this like what you had in mind? http://roeskamp.de/osm/artwork_03.svg
Jotam
on 23 Jul 2016
@kocio-pl: Great idea to distinguish between different kinds of artwork. As I said, I like your statue icon for statues. If we could have something more abstract for everything else, that would be perfect.
Jotam
on 23 Jul 2016
We should really be careful not to overcrowd the map. At the given zoomlevels, I think the art works are not relevant enough compared to the other features, I'd recommend rendering from z18 on.
matthijsmelissen
on 23 Jul 2016
I have also made some variations
dieterdreist
on 23 Jul 2016
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dieterdreist
on 23 Jul 2016
the svg have been rejected but are available
dieterdreist
on 23 Jul 2016
I just put icons into code branch, probably also "gists" (loose code collections) are possible here?
I would try rendering with 5.
BTW: simple rectangular maze could be another idea - it would be better pixel aligned than spiral, so I guess also more crisp.
kocio-pl
on 23 Jul 2016
2016-07-23 17:09 GMT+02:00 kocio-pl [email protected]:
I would try rendering with 5.
+1, I would try 5 and 7, unfortunately don't have a working rendering stack
around at the moment...
dieterdreist
on 23 Jul 2016
I would like to see a rendering with 7.
1-5 are not recognizable enough to me (if anything, they'd represent a fire extinguisher to me).
matthijsmelissen
on 23 Jul 2016
8) artwork_03
9) 7-like diamond (10 px)
kocio-pl
on 24 Jul 2016
After all those suggestions, I think I prefer @daganzdaanda's idea with the pedestal, diamond, and circle. It's light enough on the map, concrete enough to symbolize a statue, and abstract enough to represent sculptures and other artworks. It seems to meet all our requirements so far.
Jotam
on 24 Jul 2016
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Il giorno 24 lug 2016, alle ore 10:02, Jotam [email protected] ha scritto:
It's light enough on the map, concrete enough to symbolize a statue, and abstract enough to represent sculptures and other artworks. It seems to meet all our requirements so far.
IMHO it's clearly a statue an not suitable for paintings, graffiti, landart, etc.
dieterdreist
on 24 Jul 2016
I also like the simple and abstract diamond icon. It is as universal as the spiral, but I agree with @math1985 that the spiral may look like a fire equipment (I didn't make such connection myself, but in fact there's similar icon in JOSM) and diamond look more like a "gem" on game maps to me - which I feel is consistent with the idea of the "artwork" on the real map.
So for now I would like to use diamond as a general artwork icon from z18 (to not overcrowd z17, which seems like a land between mapping and micromapping world). After we have hstore available, I would also add statue icon only for statues (~30% of artworks) and show "special" artworks earlier, like z16 or z17 (when we have "tourist_attraction=yes" established as an alternative form for "tourism=attraction").
What do you think about that?
kocio-pl
on 24 Jul 2016
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