Openstreetmap-carto: Add icon for man_made=beehive

[Adamant36]

It would be cool if there was an icon for beehives. Maybe it could be a honey comb or something similar. There is currently 17,726 uses of the tag. So it seems like there is a market for it. Maybe people who are allergic to bees would benefit from being able to see them on the map or it spur on more mapping of them. It seems like there aren't any mapped anywhere yet outside of Europe and one state in America.

[turnsole80]

Good idea. I see it creating quite a bit of buzz if it is rendered.

[Adamant36]

As long as no one is a buzzkill by closing it to earlier.

[jeisenbe]

Ouch. That pun stings

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:28 PM Chris [e-mail] wrote:

Good idea. I see it creating quite a bit of buzz if it is rendered.

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[matkoniecz]

From my (very limited) experience with beekeeping I rememember that beehives tend to appear is dense clusters, too close to render them properly even at z19.

Quick look, for example at https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/BW1 (one of hives is at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4963760513 ) seems to confirm that problem.

[Adamant36]

Hhmmm. when I originally researched it there was only places with a single node. Although, there was multiple beehives at those places they weren't mapped as individual hives. Id wonder if mapping every hive is to "micro mapping" or not. You might of found the rare exception also. I've seen things like landuse=grass micro mapped in some places, you'd really have to do more of an investigation to justify it being a reason for none qualification. I'll look into more myself. I don't want a bunch of mess anymore then the next person.

The other option is landuse=apiary, which would solve that issue. Originally I thought it was better to render then each beehive, which seems like micro mapping, but it only has 507 uses. Who knows how many apiarys are out there in the real world or what would qualify as one. It might exclude a single backyard beehive for example. Plus, id wonder how clear the boundaries of apiarys are. Either way, What do you think about it as an alternative if need be? I could see pros and cons to both.

[polarbearing]

English is my second language. When words are spelled just phonetically, and punctuation is left out, it makes my reading slower and more error-prone. Thanks.

[Adamant36]

@polarbearing, your welcome. I see plenty of punctuation there. So I don't know what your talking about on that front. As far as the phonetics goes, the only phonetically spelled word was "bee", which was a continuation of the play on the issue name. I can change it though if your not privy to the joke. There were a few spelling errors and double typed words. Which I corrected. That's what I get for writing responses on my phone.

[polarbearing]

It's apparently the first version of a post that makes it to the email gateway. I often spend some time feeding fancy words into dictionaries, until I find they are just misspelled.

[Adamant36]

I was wondering how that works. A lot of times the message will seem fine on mobile and then be complete trash once its posted. The phone spell checker seems to disagree with this one in a lot of cases also. So I might just do less responding from mobile in the future to keep badly written messages from happening. Thanks for the heads up though. Its possible the crappy post might have stayed that way if you hadn't of said anything.

[turnsole80]

For an icon, can I suggest the traditional rounded beehive shape that hives used to look like?

[dieterdreist]

2018-09-16 19:41 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny [e-mail]:

From my (very limited) experience with beekeeping I rememember that
beehives tend to appear is dense clusters, too close to render them
properly even at z19.

yes, single beehives usually are clustered. It doesn't mean we cannot
render them, it just depends what the rendering is intended to mean. If it
was to be read as "location of beehive/s" it will work (meaning one or more
beehives), while meaning "a single beehive" will be misleading because we
will omit most of them due to proximity.

[dieterdreist]

2018-09-16 20:27 GMT+02:00 Adamant36 [e-mail]:

The other option is landuse=apiary, which would solve that issue.

not so great a tag IMHO. It is a very specific tag for an agricultural
subcategory, usually we try to keep landuse more generic. Also, these tend
to be very small, there will not be any bigger instances of these (as
opposed to all other, established landuses). You can also see this from a
very high percentage of nodes (8%) used for this tag, as opposed to all
landuses (0,6%). IMHO the value is fine, the key is not.

[Tomasz-W]

Icon proposal:

[dktue]

How about a bee as icon?

[Adamant36]

@dktue It might bee to detailed for an icon.

@dieterdreist, good points. It seems like both tags are problematic in their own ways. Its clear on the wiki if the beehive is meant for each individual beehive or not either. If it was, that would be rather excessive mapping. I still think beehives should be rendered though.

@HolgerJeromin and @dktue, what do you have against @Tomasz-W's icon? That's what honey combs in beehives look like.

[dktue]

What about these icons?

(https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/388818/bee_bees_creative_honey_icon)

(https://mbtskoudsalg.com/explore/bee-icon-png/)

(https://myloview.de/fototapete-honey-bee-icon-illustration-nr-5D33DA9)

[Adamant36]

@dktue, they are good examples and maybe Tomasz-W can make something based off of them. It might be hard in a 14x14 format. Who knows. We can't just lift icons from anywhere though, those are probably copyrighted, and they have to be in the correct format/file type also.

[dktue]

@Adamant36 they were only meant for inspiration -- I see a chance to create a bee-icon that is not too detailed but still recognizable in small size.

[Adamant36]

Oh OK. Makes sense. I guess it is possible. I'm still not sure what's wrong with the honey comb icon though. I think its more accurate since the tag is for tagging beehives, not the bees inside them. For all we know, the mapped beehive could be empty. That's not to say I'm completely against a bee icon.

[dktue]

@Adamant36 : We're using a flame for _fire_stations_ even if the fire is clearly not there ;)

I just don't think that I would have recognized the beehive if it would have been presented to me without context. A bee on the other hand is -- in my opinion -- clearly regogizable and it's understandable that it does not represent a single bee (dead or alive :D).

[Tomasz-W]

Firstly - it would be hard to make a readable 14x14 bee icon, secondly - I'm not sure if it would be intuitive enough for understandable beehives marking. Bee can be consider as a symbol of many things - insects, honey, wax, animals.

[Tomasz-W]

@kocio-pl As honeycomb icon was clearly downvoted, bee icon may be confusing, and man_made=beehive is not-so-important feature. Please close this issue.

[Adamant36]

@Tomasz-W, I appreciate the icon attempt.