Notepad3: indented lines at paragraphs with multiple lines

[Michael1065]

Hello,

thank you for developing Notepad3! I think it's good, but I would like to make a suggestion for improvement.

For paragraphs with multiple lines, all lines are indented except for the first on the left. It is unusual; it was NOT the same with the predecessor Notepad2. Hence my suggestion: can this behavior be switched off in the settings so that the user can choose whether he wants this indentation or not?

In the attachment to this email, I am sending a screenshot showing the problem (and Notepad2 for comparison).

I would be very happy about an implementation. Thanks in advance!

Kind regards, Michael

[RaiKoHoff]

Hello Michael,
I am not sure, which behavior exactly you try to describe.
A screenshot would be very helpful. Thank you.

There is a Menu -> Settings -> Auto Indent Text mode, which indents the next line (on carriage-return line-feed) to be at the same indentation level as the predecessor line?

Ed.: Or do you refer to the "Word/Long Line Wrap Mode" ?

[hpwamr]

Hello @Michael1065 ,
Also, could you please add to your answer, the version of your Notepad3 (Hilfe --> Über...) ?

[craigo-]

I have a suspicion the setting @Michael1065 is looking for is Settings -> Word Wrap Settings...

Change the top option from the default to No wrap indent.

(This is one of the customisations that I always apply... I too don't particularly like the default.)

[RaiKoHoff]

Waiting for the response of @Michael1065.
Maybe we should change the default 🤔. What is the default of other common editors?

[Michael1065]

Hello, thank you for your answers!
My Version of the Notepad3 ist the v5.20.305.2 RC2 from March 2020.
In other common editors like Notepad2 the lines are not indented.
I will try to send a screenshot as a pdf-file.
Notepad3_Screen.pdf
So you can see what I mean.
Kind regards, Michael

[RaiKoHoff]

I think @craigo- is right: this is related to the Word Wrap settings:

From the line numbering, this text is one long line.

Change the settings (Menu -> Einstellungen -> Wort Umbruch Einstellungen) from:

To:

(Keine Umbruch-Einrückungen)

And you get:

[craigo-]

I can’t think of another text editor that has this indenting behaviour as its default. Certainly none of the editors with a coding focus. It feels to me more of a feature suited to prose.

I’d support changing the default to No wrap indent, but don’t mind if it stays the same - for me it’s a fairly minor thing that I’m catering for anyway.

[hpwamr]

Maybe we should change the default 🤔. What is the default of other common editors?

Hello @RaiKoHoff , @craigo- , @Michael1065

I've tested your text with : EditPad Lite, EditPlus, Notepad++, Notepad2, Notepad2e, Notepad2-mod, Notepad2-zufuliu and VSCode. 😏

All these Notepad(like) react like this:

And you get:

I support 100% changing the default to No wrap indent. 👍 😃

[RaiKoHoff]

What about the indicators before and after the wrap ?

[hpwamr]

What about the indicators before and after the wrap ?

My preference goes to those settings. 🤔
In addition with Ctlt+Shift+7, you can easily toggle the wrap symbols On/Off . 😺

[RaiKoHoff]

Default change for upcoming release (beta-RC3/Rel) or NewFeature branch?

[hpwamr]

Default change for upcoming release (beta-RC3/Rel) or NewFeature branch?

If possible both: from now for RC3/Upcoming New Release and of course for NewFeature branch.

[Michael1065]

Hello,

thank you for your quick and great help!

They showed me that the option I wanted to switch off the indented lines for a paragraph with several lines already exists and therefore no additions to Notepad3 itself are necessary.

I just hadn't found this option myself because I would have looked for it in the menu under "Paragraph formatting" and not under "Word wrap/break". Because in my view, these indented lines have nothing to do with word breaks/wrap.

So if I had to make a suggestion for improvement, then the settings for indented lines in multi-line paragraphs should not necessarily be under the menu item word wrap. But that's a matter of taste.

Thanks again and happy Easter!

Yours sincerely
Michael Bloch

[Michael1065]

Hello,

thank you for your quick and great help!

They showed me that the option I wanted to switch off the indented lines for a paragraph with several lines already exists and therefore no additions to Notepad3 itself are necessary.

I just hadn't found this option myself because I would have looked for it in the menu under "Paragraph formatting" and not under "Word wrap/break". Because in my view, these indented lines have nothing to do with word breaks/wrap.

So if I had to make a suggestion for improvement, then the settings for indented lines in multi-line paragraphs should not necessarily be under the menu item word wrap. But that's a matter of taste.

Thanks again and happy Easter!

Yours sincerely
Michael Bloch

[hpwamr]

I just hadn't found this option myself because I would have looked for it in the menu under "Paragraph formatting" and not under "Word wrap/break". Because in my view, these indented lines have nothing to do with word breaks/wrap.

Hello @Michael1065 ,
In a pure "text editor" like "Notepad3", the concept of paragraph is very different from a "word processor" like for example: Word. 😃

Normally, if I copy and paste the text "Lorum Ipsum", I only have ONE Long Line of 605 characters.
With in tab "View", the setting Word Warp Crtl+W "checked", the text editor "Notepad3" shows (only for the eyes) this Long Line of 605 characters in +/- 9 short lines (the number of lines in variable according to the width of the Notepad3 window).

Now, look at the line numbers for Notepad3 (far left):

• Line_1 is for the text "Lorum Ipsum"
• And Line_2 starts after the final point "." from the previous text. 🤔

Because Word Warp does not adjust a "Paragraph", but the way a "Long Line" is displayed, the location of Word Warp Settings... in tab "Settings" seems me correct. 🤔

[craigo-]

My preference goes to those settings. 🤔
In addition with Ctlt+Shift+7, you can easily toggle the wrap symbols On/Off . 😺

My preference for the out-of-box experience is for all whitespace indicators to be off by default. (I enable View -> Show Blanks because I like to see them but I don't think this should be the default experience; I feel the same for the wrap indicators.)

There are two wrap indicator options: before wrap and after wrap. I think if the user were to turn them on (with View -> Show Wrap Symbols), the default should be for both to be displayed. If the user wishes to customise to show one and not the other (such as @hpwamr's screenshot), let them.

At present:

• Show Wrap Symbols is disabled by default
• Enabling Show Wrap Symbols enables both the before-wrap and after-wrap indicators

I think that is the way it should be.

[hpwamr]

What about the indicators before and after the wrap ?

Hello @RaiKoHoff , @craigo-

Honestly, my preference (visual default to maximize the user experience directly out-of-the-box); goes to those settings. 😏

[RaiKoHoff]

I like @hpwamr suggestion more. It is a better visual indication for novice users on first experiences 🤔

[hpwamr]

Hello @RaiKoHoff ,
The focus on button "Word Warp" disappears after twice toggling. 😁

[craigo-]

I can confirm @hpwamr's find.

Regarding having one of the two word wrap indicators on by default, I respectfully disagree. I cannot think of another editor that shows any word wrap symbols by default, and if you were to show them I don't understand why you would only want to showcase one of them.

I will customise this behaviour away in the meantime, and let's see if there is any other user feedback. It may be that I'm the only one who feels this way.

[RaiKoHoff]

My preference is, not to wrap long lines by default. But if wrapped, I like to have an Indicator for these lines. Then it is a personal taste, if one or both Indicator(s)... 🤔

[hpwamr]

But if wrapped, I like to have an Indicator for these lines. Then it is a personal taste, if one or both Indicator(s)... 🤔

Me too, I like having an indicator at the end (not both) to Word Wrap Long Lines ! 😏