Lila: Tournament - minimum rated games by category

[ddugovic]

Yes, the regularly scheduled tournaments specifically mentions "10 Rapid rated games" whereas the ones I create says "10 rated games"
All I want is to make my tournament require "10 Rapid rated games" instead of "10 rated games", like the regularly-scheduled official lichess tournaments. How can I achieve that?

https://discordapp.com/channels/280713822073913354/527867866700054538/706151641476497498

Scheduled tournaments require "minimum [Rapid] rated games". Tournaments created via the form and API should operate the same way (I think).

[thomas-daniels]

~It may _say_ "10 rated games", but it _means_ "10 rated games in the variant of this Arena". Perhaps that should be worded more clearly, but there is no difference in scheduled and user-created tournaments there.~

[ddugovic]

SP and the person reporting the issue say there's some difference between scheduled tournaments with "minimum rated games":
https://lichess.org/tournament/bR3jV4g5

and user-created tournaments (I cannot reach lichess.dev at the moment to test - probably an error on my end)

[m-bilgic]

It may _say_ "10 rated games", but it _means_ "10 rated games in the variant of this Arena". Perhaps that should be worded more clearly, but there is no difference in scheduled and user-created tournaments there.

I created a Rapid tournament that requires a minimum of 10 rated games but users were able to join who had a total of 10 rated games (bullet+blitz+rapid...). The requirement read "10 rated games" whereas the official lichess tournaments reads "10 Rapid rated games".

[thomas-daniels]

Ah, I had done a test on .dev before commenting, but it turns out that my test was wrong :P

Ignore all I said, I guess.

[bilgicm]

Hi. Has anyone been able to look at this bug, yet? Here is a screenshot from the official tournaments where the logic is correct:

And here is a tournament that I created where the logic is broken:

I want to require the players to have played at least 10 rated Rapid games and have a maximum of 2000 Rapid rating. But the system allows even players who played 0 Rapid games, as long as they played 10 rated games in other categories (Bullet, Blitz, ...).

This looks like a simple bug in the user created tournaments.

[ornicar]

it's not a bug and it won't be changeed

[bilgicm]

So, the logic ">= 10 rated any games" an "rated <= 2000 in Rapid" makes sense? How can you ensure they are <= 2000 in Rapid, if they have not played any Rapid games?

[ornicar]

because provisional rating doesn't qualify

[bilgicm]

because provisional rating doesn't qualify

Thanks. That's good to hear.

Now I understand that "minimum rated games" refer to minimum number of rated games in "any" game category, whereas "minimum rating" refers to the rating in the tournament's own category. If you claim this is indeed the intended outcome, it is not a bug, like you said. It's, however, a poor decision from a human-computer interaction point of view. Moreover, that the official hourly/daily tournaments and user-created tournaments have a different logic is inconsistent.