Sumatrapdf: Scrollbar disappears in "Fit a Single Page" mode

[StefanMich]

When I open a document in "Fit Width and.." mode it shows the scrollbar on the right side of the screen.
When changing to "Fit a Single Page" mode, the scroll bar disappears

[pdgessler]

Just to add some perspective, I consider this a great feature of SumatraPDF. When in Fit Page mode, I have no need for a scrollbar and I like that it disappears in SumatraPDF. If the developer(s) want to change this, I propose that it be made configurable so each user can set it the way he/she likes.

[kjk]

This is how it's supposed to work. In single page mode "Fit page" scales the page exactly to the size of the window. There's no need for scrollbar so to maximize usable screen space, the scrollbar is not shown.

[StefanMich]

I like to use "Fit a single page" when browsing through a big document and I find the scrollbar very useful in that usecase.

Could it be an option to show the scrollbar?

[mireiner]

It seams that those who say that there is no need for a vertical scrollbar in single page mode doesn't really understand what stufkan meant.

Whereas anyone who used some other PDF reader should instantly know.

In single page mode the vertical scroll bars are usefull to scroll / navigate through the entire document (not the actual single page). So...

1. The vertical scrollbar provides fast navigation through the entire document. For example scroll to last third of the document.
2. The position of the vertical slider shows where the actual page is located in relation to the whole document (near begin, middle or near end).
3. The size of the vertical slider shows roughly how much pages the entire document got.

[percivalskald]

I got here by doing a google search. The vertical scroll bar is essential for pdf documents with 300+ pages. Using these reference pages is no longer possible in "Fir in a single page" without the vertical scroll bar.

[Nonumis]

Fast navigation in big files is difficult without scroll bar or fitting single page to screen. Is there any way to make them work both in the same time?

[jibal]

"This is how it's supposed to work. In single page mode "Fit page" scales the page exactly to the size of the window. There's no need for scrollbar so to maximize usable screen space, the scrollbar is not shown."

This is stunningly low-quality reasoning, and makes one wonder whether the person who wrote it does any appreciable amount of reading. The fact that a scrollbar is absolutely necessary if the page doesn't fit the screen doesn't imply that it's not necessary if the page does fit the screen -- the primary use of a scrollbar is to move between pages, not within a page.

" kjk closed this on May 13, 2015"

Not only poor reasoning, but bad behavior.

[9Skrip]

Leave the decision to have the scroll bar to the users. The software should be comfortably used by all people. Make it optional. All other pdf readers have that.

[LinuxOnTheDesktop]

I too would like an option whereby vertical scrollbars are shown at all times. With and only with that feature would I deem Sumatra the best PDF reader (or at least the best one for Windows). Without such scroll bars, one cannot easily see where one is in a document or even - I think - skip very quickly through the document. Also: adding such an option would not be hard, I imagine; and there is no need even to make it the default if, for some reason, the developer(s) does not wish to.

[JohnTasto]

I would like the option to hide the scroll bar. When reading a pdf with large margins, I like to zoom in a bit to make better use of my screen space, but then the scroll bars pop up using up a bunch of screen space. Bookmarks and the scroll wheel on my mouse allow reasonable navigation through long documents, so I would rather use my screen space for reading.

Also, when using inverted colors, they are way too bright.

While I am in the minority here, I do agree there should be an option to enable them, but also an option to disable them. And an option to change their color.

[musm]

I was also looking for this option today.

The reason some want this is the following: it gives you a visual indicator of how long the document is.

[GitHubRulesOK]

@musm
whilst the page indicator (number of pages) may be off in F5 (presentation mode) F12 (Fullscreen mode) OR not visible when toolbar is off
In all those cases you can use i to get a visual indication where you are and how long the document is

[9Skrip]

makeitoptional please

[jibal]

Did you even try this? View > Show Pages Continuously overrides View >
Single Page.

Frankly what is wanted is crystal clear ... the ability to have a
scrollbar in Single page mode.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:11 PM Peter [e-mail] wrote:

@musm https://github.com/musm, @9Skrip https://github.com/9Skrip and
everyone else: Even if you have View > Single Page and Zoom > Fit Page
selected, all you need to do is additionally select View > Show Pages
Continuously to see a scrollbar that'll show you where the page fits in
relation to the entire document.

Frankly I don't understand what more you guys want?

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[GitHubRulesOK]

@jibal you are very welcome to make the necessary changes in your own version, however the ethos of SumatraPDF from day one was unlike MuPDF which has NO scrollbars NOR toolbar at all, just provide the minimum when needed thus maintaining a maximised canvas
here is what it would look like when on page 2 of 2 no scrollbars are needed ?

[jibal]

@jibal you are very welcome to make the necessary changes in your own version, however the ethos of SumatraPDF from day one was unlike MuPDF which has NO scrollbars NOR toolbar at all, just provide the minimum when needed thus maintaining a maximised canvas

This is nonresponsive and irrelevant. Obviously the "ethos" here is to not make this change, but that has no bearing on the validity of the request.

[jibal]

So you want the scrollbar to show up with View > Single Page and Zoom > Fit Page selected, but it should only jump between entire pages (i.e. _not display partial pages_) when scrolling?

That's the original request, as you would understand if you read through the thread. What I want isn't relevant, as I rarely use your program and I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread.

If your sole problem with View > Show Pages Continuously is that scrolling displays partial pages, honestly I don't see what the big deal is.

Single page and continuous pages are very different modes, both in presentation and in how scrolling and paging work. It's weird that you don't grasp that.

Over and out.

[jibal]

What's actually weird is how awfully invested you are in pushing for a feature in a program you rarely use, and that too one the dev rejected half a decade ago. 🙄

What's weird is how dim you are. I'm not the one who keeps opening this closed item up. I'm not invested or pushing anything, I simply responded to the email I got from this ridiculous page containing your idiotic "Frankly" comment because I hadn't unsubscribed from it. Now I have and I'm about to close the tab so I will never have to hear from you again.

[SumatraPeter]

So you received a mail re. my comment, but none when the issue was resurrected by musm 3 days ago, nor when 2 more responded before me? Lol, right... And BTW, nobody compelled you to respond to the mail with your verbal diarrhoea here, did they? Now do you need special step-by-step instructions on where the Unsubscribe button is, or are we gonna have to keep enduring your moronic blathering despite your supposed "Over and out"?

[musm]

I keep being bothered by this. Let me state the reason others want this:

1. Quick indicator of location of the current page with respect to the full document
2. Quick way to browse rapidly throughout a section of the PDF
3. Quick way to jump to other sections through the PDF

I find the resistance to implement such basic feature really odd from my perspective. Clearly a plethora of users are seeking such a feature.

• Optional feature to show this seems highly sensible given demand.

[JulesGreg]

Thank you, musm.
To help address the misunderstanding: Pulling the Scroll Bar current location indicator in single page view should facilitate going through the entire document and jumping to any desired page with one mouse click and movement (or gesture on a touchscreen device) while maintaining the advantages of single page (or facing) view. Scrolling _within one page_ is not what is requested here.
See attachment for an example how nicely this can work elsewhere. I would love to see something similar in SumatraPDF.

[GitHubRulesOK]

@JulesGreg
This "issue" was about using screen space to show a scrollbar when a single page from a continuous stream is requested. At that point the scrollbar is not needed and can very easily be toggled back on by clicking the 2way icon (no need for a hidden setting) Acrobat does not allow to toggle sidebar it just eats screen space.

You are showing another heavy weight products "Single Page" mode that is simply not available in light-weight SumatraPDF
If the large well paid team of developers at Adobe were to remove that feature in their reader then it would be much lighter-weight would it not?

With SumatraPDF you get 100's of extra bonus features such as no need to pay to Convert, combine, and send for Adobe's low $9.99 monthly fee.

[cstrife1]

I was looking for this feature, but an acceptable alternative is to just hit 'c' on keyboard to bring back the scroll bar, scroll to where you want, then hit 'c' again to put it back into single page (or book) mode. A permanent "smart" scroll bar that can distinguish between scroll within page or scroll within document depending on the view would be nice, tho. Thanks.

[musm]

More evidence that users actually want this

[fraengers]

I want it too