Smokedetector: Different alert for apparent vandalism

Created on 12 Aug 2016  路  4Comments  路  Source: Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector

I have repeatedly tripped on SmokeDetector reports which looked like spam or rude/abusive but which were self-vandalism, which is easily reverted and should not be flagged as spam.

Could the alert from the bot look different when it triggers because of an edit to a post which was previously fine?

For example, a chat alert message like

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body, repeating characters in title, title has only one unique char: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa by Kot on stackoverflow.com (@tripleee)

... could have been more easily categorized correctly if it had a different chat message, perhaps something like

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body, repeating characters in title, title has only one unique char: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa edited by Kot on stackoverflow.com (@tripleee)

Notice how the question's title is no longer a link, and the "edited" link instead links to the actual revision which introduced this vandalism.

feature request

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I disagree with this request. It is up to users of the system to look at the post before they flag. If they are getting tripped up by vandalism, they need to slow down. Adding this type of check to smokey removes incentive to look at and see what is going on with the post.

A self vandalism post should be easily identified already. By changing what is linked to in certain cases changes what users are expecting to happen with they click the link (post vs revisions).

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We don't store history, so doing this "for a post which was previously fine" isn't easily possible. We _could_, I think, change the message to have an edited link on _any_ edited post instead.

_If_ we wanted to do this, it'd be fairly easy - we've been running this for long enough that we can reasonably assume that if we only caught a post after an edit, we've seen it before and it was okay then.

Of course, I'm not entirely convinced we want to do this. I don't really have any good arguments either way, though.

I disagree with this request. It is up to users of the system to look at the post before they flag. If they are getting tripped up by vandalism, they need to slow down. Adding this type of check to smokey removes incentive to look at and see what is going on with the post.

A self vandalism post should be easily identified already. By changing what is linked to in certain cases changes what users are expecting to happen with they click the link (post vs revisions).

Closing this based on Andy's comment -- agree with it as well and it seems the majority of us do.

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