You probably should post your PC specs and, if possible, specs your friends experiencing this problem. Perhaps, you're having something in common there. And, by the way, have you checked the CPU usage when this problem occurs?

Corre1ation on 19 Feb 2013

YAY, the old "cs isn't smooth" thread... woopidu, @alfred-valve enjoy this :D

idderf on 19 Feb 2013

This has got to have something to do with FPS... because everything you described sounds exactly like what you experience when you play above 100 fps. I know alfred recently improved the performance on >100fps but things like bunny hopping are still nerfed on >100fps.

Some of the issues you mentioned are also experienced when the game is run at a high/native resolution(1680x1050 for me). The game seems choppier, the guns seem to shoot slower. It feels like there's a drop in FPS or refresh rate even though both are steady(100fps, 120hz) and consistent on all resolutions. On low resolutions like 640x480 the game seems much more crisp and responsive; which is why ~90%+ pro players use 640.

p.s.: i think that not only is cs 1.6 affected by this problem but also other goldsrc and even source games (css, cspromod etc)!

Hmm... that's interesting. I've only experienced these kinds of issues in 1.6. The source engine games seem to be very consistent and absent of any of these kinds of issues.

MaximilianKohler on 28 Feb 2013

if you would have followed my postings in the steam forum (not that i demand you to to do because this thread is by now really hard to read with all the different stuff being posted there) you would know that i and others tested a lot of stuff and some stuff really helped (see powersaving features on newer hardware for example) others just worked for a short time (the mysterious phenomenon that cs runs better when changing sth) but the main problem is what i posted in the first posting of this thread! ive found sth out just yesterday by accident when using linux, but i would have to test more or the best would be someone like @alfred-valve or someone else who works on these cs updates who could look into it and verify it that it indeed does change sth because he has access to the code!

schoof on 28 Feb 2013

I just wanna join schoofs explantions confirming issues with unsmooth gameplay and recoil control!

I started playing counterstrike 1.6 in 2006 and up to a semi-professional level. Soon after, the incidents occured for the first time and i wasn't able to play anymore on a competitive niveau.
In this state i'm unable to control same single shots and spray as well (what was formerly one of my specialities).
It's literally impossible or pure random to hit enemies after the first one or two shots, even if they are standing still. The whole gameplay isn't reacteable and feels delayed.
So the problem appears also statistically in my game: i nearly never kill an enemy anymore with more than 3 hits, since i either have to headhot him before or he kills me cause of the uncontrolleable recoil or i die to him.

I tried nearly everything to fix the problem: Different systems (win xp up to win 8), routers, servers, every possible net- and gamesettings, and different hardware components. Also tools to optimize my hardware and internet connection.
The only case the game works better is after the very first installation and (at least a bit) if steam is switched to "off".

I can totally foreclose the issues from being generated by my components. As desribed above i tried to change everything. Now i'm using a very modern gaming laptop, a 25k dsl internet connection and can play without any loss, choke, constant 100 fps and with an average ping from about 10ms.
Still the problems appear as described above.
I don't have a clue why the problems doesn't seem to affect every player, but ithey clearly do myself.

I would apreciate you to be aware of this since lots of players complain about it. Like schoof i think it's rather steam releated than a problem with cs1.6 itself. If there's any possibiity to fix it and bring us back the joy of playing this game...please do it! :)

dasmeTaknight on 7 Apr 2013

can you guys post gameplay videos (not just spraying on a wall) so that everyone
can see the difference between a fresh install and a bugged one?

idderf on 9 Apr 2013

ive mentioned before that a clip doesnt show how delayed the gameplay is in regard to your inputs! you can see the consequences of the delayed gameplay (bad recoil etc...) but not the unsmooth gameplay itself with clips! in regard ro bad recoil, other have posted several clips.

schoof on 9 Apr 2013

(the mysterious phenomenon that cs runs better when changing sth) = you think it's going to run better when you change something = placebo effect

Ever thought about that cs pro's have never complained about this? I mean they travelled around the world playing on different setups on every lan they attented, and not one single complain about cs not running smooth?

Please realize that when cs runs smoothly you have experience a thing called "flow" in your mind. When it doesn't run smoothly, you don't experience the flow, and you start blaming the setup.

idderf on 10 Apr 2013

i dont care if you believe me or not, i just try to explain what i and others are experiencing in regard to this problem! in regard to pro players: there was more then one instance were pro players experienced similar things on tournaments (i remember just one example with n0thing who said the following in a demo i watched: "why is my crosshair jumping so much after every shot i do, its nearly impossible to control my recoil or hit anything, sth is fucked up with my cs"; im paraphrasing) and i also remember reading how another said that cs runs best for him after first start for him!
how is it placebo when trying to tap shot with ak for example and i can shoot flawlessly and accurately without delay or stuttering when cs runs normal and why do i have to wait after every shot (like a strange cooldown phase or sth) when cs doesnt run normal because my screen shakes heavily after every shot i do and the whole game stutters and feels delayed like there is a buffer between everything i do ingame?!?! the same for playing kreedz maps, when cs runs normal the jumps are much more easy to do and i can gain much more easily speed in the air, the timing is much easier etc...
placebo of course..
so do me a favour and comment in threads where you are able to add sth useful to the conversation and spare me and others with your psycho gibberish nonsense! thx

schoof on 10 Apr 2013

jesus... do you guys really have to abbreviate the word "something" to "sth"... the more you do this kind of thing the harder you make it for other people to understand what you're saying.

Regarding this problem, it's not placebo. I've experienced it myself and there is a massive thread on the steam forums about it. Many of my friends have experienced it as well and tried for years to fiddle with various hardware and software settings and changes yet no one's been able to figure out the cause. So many things seem to effect it. There is no other game where people complain about this same problem, if there was then maybe you could blame it on placebo.

One thing I heard of years ago was to delete the custom.hpk file then go in cs and start a listen server, exit the game and set custom.hpk to read only.

MaximilianKohler on 10 Apr 2013

No big surprise someone gonna call it placebo soon... Sure your daily condition or psychological elements can affect your playing...but you dont turn from a 2,5 kpd to a 1,2 kpd player on the same server/day every time the problem seems to appear...

I would post a demo too but as shooof told us, they are useless for both describing the problem and looking for mistakes during the game. This cause the whole ingame feeling is totally biased by the unsmooth and delayed process -.-

dasmeTaknight on 10 Apr 2013

ask the devs, but they dont care! The "support" is non existent and the higher-ups of valve say so themselves: http://www.pcgames.de/Valve-Software-Firma-15833/News/Wir-wissen-dass-der-Steam-Support-schlecht-ist-1153530/ (use google translate, but the tl;dr basically is: "our support sucks and we know it")!
im not sure what the source of this problem is exactly, but i know thats its not only affecting cs! all steam games i have show the self behaviour: game runs good after first time starting it and strangely also good after the steam client gets an update or when running steam offline and then it degrades and the game begins to show the usual signs like stutter, delayed inputs or a buffer between every action you do in the game and basically feels like the game is streamed to your pc and not played on your pc! i suspect sth in the client is the culprit, but i dont know why only some users are affected by it!? i tested games like bad company 2 on steam and on origin, the steam version runs with the above mentioned problems and the origin version runs normal! same with other games were i tested steam version and non-steam version!
maybe there is sth in the client that doesnt get loaded correctly (or only when running it the first time)? only the devs could tell you really whats happening with the client and all its processes etc., but like i said nobody cares!

after dealing with this problem for years i abandoned steam (or all games that are only available through steam)!

schoof on 29 Mar 2015

@schoof Nice to see u again after 2 years from the last time at "CS ISN'T SMOOTH"
so your conclusion is that steam causing all these kind of bad gameplay ?
i didn't tried cs non steam On line

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@imYea yes! after doing all kind of tests for months or even years its the conclusion i came to a while ago!
back in the past i was only playing "source games" (CS 1.6 & CSS) thats why i assumed its related to the engine, but when i started to play other games like BC2 and could compare it with the nonsteam version it suddenly became clear its the the steam client itself thats responsible for our problem!
i still dont get it why only some of us are having this problem, or maybe some have it and dont know about it: for example i was playing bc2 on steam for nearly a year without thinking that sth was wrong with my game until i played the origin version of it and suddenly the game run much better!
i still dont know why sometimes the games runs better on steam and then after a couple of mins/hours/days its back to garbage, this strange behaviour made it so hard to find a solution and why i and many others thought they found the culprit only to find out it wasnt the case!
i really would like to get in touch with a dev and talk about this problem and do some tests run some debug tools etc, they are the only people who can fix this problem and find out whats happening, but i guess this ship is sailed else they would have responded here already!

schoof on 8 Apr 2015

@schoof you're totally right about this .. it's the same feeling .. it works fine for 1 hour / day / week .. and back like it was (Shitty and unplayable )
unfortunately there is no CS 1.6 purchasable in origin or ...
i work and i love this game (CS 1.6 ), when i back to home, time to time i can play with friends, but sadly i can't enjoy it anymore .. and it seems that i'm the only guy who's experiencing this when i play with them

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@imYEA you can test older cs versions (pre 1.6) that didnt use steam or download a nonsteam version of 1.6 to test yourself!
have you been on your friends pc's and see for yourself how cs plays at their pc's ?

schoof on 8 Apr 2015

yes i've been on 2 of my friends PC's, but honestly the last time i did it, it was 2 years ago from now ,tested it before and after the last update of 1.6 .. good CS nothing else !
stopped playing for a long time .. and back 2 or 3 months from now .. as you said , it runs perfectly for the 1st time and becomes shitty after that
i'll test a non-steam version, the problem is there no good servers i guess

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@imYEA you dont need to play online, i can tell the difference on lan game if my cs runs normal! for example when you try simple stuff like strafe jumping, nuke red rock jump or even just shoot with a weapon... its that obvious when your game doesnt run like it should!

schoof on 8 Apr 2015

Hmm i see , i had this but what i have now is that , sometimes the firerate is just too Slow like running cs at 80 FPS or less however i have an FPS capped at 100 ( or 100.5 when i use fps_max 99.5 )
the second thing is that i shoot right to the enemy model but only some bullets are registred ( 1/5 for example )
the 3rd is when i spray i can't move the crosshair to the left/right , it's like it's fixed when spraying
these are the most issues that i have now

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@imYea the problems you are describing like slow firerate or bad hitreg should be connection/server related! if you are only suffering from this problems then we have different problems!
im talking about this: micro-stutter, unsmooth and delayed inputs when playing steam games which makes it really hard in cs 1.6 to do a strafe jump, nuke red rock jump or even simple actions like controlling your recoil or single-tapping your weapon really hard, because it feels like the game runs with 30 frames and everything feel totally unsmooth!

schoof on 8 Apr 2015

@schoof i had some of these problems, the only thing that i'm able to do now is jumping or shooting when im walking "ALONE" , and when an enemy appears or start shooting .. i have EXACTLY what you have described above ( Slow and hard movements, unsmooth mouse movements etc .. )
another thing is that i'm feeling like people has priority more than me , i mean when i start shooting in the same time as my enemy (even if my shots are accurate)... i can't hit his model or register some bullets ( no it's not just a feeling because when it's normal i lose HP but still i can shot back and do damage)
something that i noticed is : when i show net_graph 1 and see the green line ... i have a straight line all the time, until (sometimes ) it jumps and back like it was (when i die ): it's like packets are buffered or something like that....
anyway; it's random random and random , there's a multiple issues = 1 shitty / laggy gamplay

you have any advice for me about the peaks in net_graph 1 ?

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@imYEA take a look at this article for netgraph question: http://members.westnet.com.au/wlloyd/netcode_explained_again.htm

i had similar problems in the past: my game "slowing down" when encountering an enemy. for me it was related to power saving features on my cpu/mainboard and gfx card!

schoof on 8 Apr 2015

@schoof thank you i'll test this night
i have changed my PSU and graphic card ( PSU : 400 watt, graphic card : nvidia 9800 GT 1go )
it can be this ?

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@imYEA does your gfx card or cpu have power saving features? if so are they enabled? i already did a long guide about all this stuff in the steam forum thread (go to my profile and check my postings)!

schoof on 8 Apr 2015

@schoof Honestely i'm not sure about that
in my nvidia 3D advenced setting , i have no settings talking about power-saving as a feature (like the "power management setting" in 3D settings of some cards ) , the same thing about my CPU ( AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0 Ghz : i dont know if there's a way to check if my CPU has any power supply features( maybe a tool called : "Cool'n'Quiet" is enabled )
i'll check your profile .. btw you talk about Steam profile or this profile (github) ?
if you talk about the famous "CS ISN'T SMOOTH" , it will take a long time to find it haha

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@imYEA check you bios for cpu/mainboard power saving features and use the tool gpu-z for checking your gfx card when playing cs! yes im talking about steam profile!

schoof on 8 Apr 2015

@schoof Hmm OK thank you for all these informations .. i'll back to post if i'll get any improvement :]

imYEA on 8 Apr 2015

@schoof Yo !
unfortunately , i have a good net_graph 1 without red / yellow dots but it's the same "Sh%t"
disabled all power saving settings (except the graphic card one .. because i don't know how to do it )
and i'm having always these kind of "Peaks" of the green line .. and it's exactly when there's one or many enemies shooting .. so i lose easily any duel without any damage

imYEA on 9 Apr 2015

Mr @alfred-valve please take a look and try to help us :)
i'm sure many people still want to enjoy playing CS 1.6 but these problems are just frustrating

imYEA on 9 Apr 2015

i tested everything in the known universe..
and the behavior is always the same:
After i change something (config HARDWARE or SOFTWARE) immediately CS runs perfectly, this happens for a short period of time, often just a few minutes to bring the game to the slowness and lag of various types.
Many tests I did exclude the online game, I tried a lot in LAN.

I used Process Lasso for various testing processes and ONLY ONCE
for 1 whole week I had a really PERFECT gameplay.
Unfortunately then I moved smothing and I ruined gameplay.
I do not remember exactly the changes, but I had set all processes on idle and only HL.exe on real-time priority, also setting it on only core0.

I tried to change services, disabling everything, change various drivers to reduce the DPC latency ..
changed vga AMD and NVIDIA, changed Monitor, disabled all powersaving features in BIOS and Windows ..

I noticed one thing though.
first the problem does not occur in SOFTWARE mode, the recoil and movements are perfect.
There is something wrong with the FPS, often when i have shot animation skip ..
with low power and vga fps Incostant not hitting the cap limit of 100 the gameplay are much better !!
Very strange thing.
For me, all the problems are the animation skip, probably something wrong with opengl.
I've also tested NON-STEAM version of CS and the problem remains.

skyscr3am on 9 Apr 2015

i see what mean by saying that our machines now are too powerful
i can add something , open the console and set sv_cheats 1 ( just to let CS accept the "timerefresh" command) and try lowering the priority of the HL until you get 100 fps by typing timerefresh in the console ( this command let you see the real fps produced by your machine , even if the game shows you 100 stable FPS

but, i don't think it will be the reason for that, for example, many players have I7 CPU or i5 ( i have an old dual core AMD athelon x2 6000+ 3.0 ghz ), and they can play without any issues ( in this case , their timerefresh help them to hit better and fastre than me ;) )

well, i'll try your suggestion this night

imYEA on 14 Apr 2015

Please let me know. It's a well know fact that the game runs WAY BETTER on its first run. If somebody have time and an empty disk it would be nice to make a fresh install of windows and run steam and/or half life under SandBoxie to see all the changes the game produces on his first initialization and then try to isolate the cause. It could be cache files, long logs, anything. It also could be due the game setting some configs on that first run that needs reinitialization to be applied. If that's the case, those settings are not placed on the game folder cause deleting it would not make the game to run smooth again (registry or steam maybe). Also in the legendary thread 'Cs isn't smooth' many people reports temporary solutions... maybe the game rerun some settings triggered by external events (initialization args changes, resolution changes, etc).

andrelip on 15 Apr 2015

@andrelip let me tell you that this does not help !
one of my friends who has these issues like us, has tried (2 years ago ) a similar solution like this that you described
tried to format his SSD , installed Steam and CS , and after that , installed a tool called "Deepfreeze" , which allows system administrators to protect the core operating system and configuration files on a workstation or server by restoring a computer back to its original configuration each time the computer restarts (including CS files ) , and that means you can , after your first install and first smooth and good gameplay, save this smoothness like if you're doing a fresh install after every restart of your system ( that was our idea ) .... but hey .... it doesn't helped ,which it means for us that this problem has nothing to do with the OS and you have to re-install physically the game, and not just his configuration and files, if you want to enjoy playing 1 hour like it should run every time !

imYEA on 16 Apr 2015

I think I found a solution to all our ills..
is to try but i'm having significant improvements

I tried to reason about the origin of the problem appears to be due to audio and playback of sound in general.
In common PC today usually uses the integrated sound card, that in 90% of cases are a chip REALTEK.
This chip with its driver does not allow you to set the playback rate to 22,050Khz which is that they use the sounds of Half-Life.
This brings the engine HL to resample all the sound causing several delays and lag in general.
What I did then, the premise that I have the audio output set to 44,100Khz
I had converted all the sounds at that frequency.
The result is a GOOD improved gameplay with less recoil weapons.

I already have several matches and my scores speak very clear.
Summarizing the problem should be the audio buffer that is saturated and cause a slowdown in the gameplay.
who has an old sound card could then install it and see if the driver can set the frequency of 22,050Khz.
It should be noted immediately an improvement.

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am OK , so just play for 1 or 2 weeks and tell us back if it's working fine like the first time, a
second thing , can you please show us how to change these settings ?, because it's not anybody who can understand / do this :) .. if you have some tutorials, it would be great :)

imYEA on 16 Apr 2015

@imYEA
u set your frequency in this tab: http://www.usbdacs.com/Windows/files/Cosecant24.jpg

in default format if u can set 22,050Khz u are at good point.
unfortunately, however, this change will worsen all the other sounds of windows and other games.

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am hmm OK i see, the worst quality in my windows 7 is 44,100Khz.
i will see this night in my second computer with windows XP if i have 22,050Khz .... hopefully

imYEA on 16 Apr 2015

anyone can handle the aforementioned value would be kind enough to tell us that the sound card has?
I believe that the ability to set the 22,050Khz not possible with all sound cards on the market, even with recent sound cards probably think it is no longer possible.

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am It's a damn good theory but since it does 0 influence on the cs perfect first run, then I don't believe it would work.

andrelip on 16 Apr 2015

@andrelip it is clear that it must be tested as it should.
not necessarily be the one and only explanation to the problems, but it is a good point on which to dwell.
Who can do the test do not forget to turn off all other sound cards in the PC, ie the output hdmi graphics cards nVidia and AMD (HD audio).
At home I have an old SB Extigy USB, tonight I try to install it and see if it makes me set 22,050khz.

My solution to convert all * .wav files to 44,100Khz is not ideal because it still involves extra work for the CPU, plus the * .wav files have increased in size.
The solution would be to work the audio engine as natively designed to its natural frequency 22,050Khz.

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

The default one is 11khz.

command:
hisound - Enable high-quality sound (1=22kHz, 0=11kHz).
Default: 0

I don't have windows nowadays to test. Please try those values and report back.

andrelip on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am how to disable nvidia Audio o_O ???
@andrelip have you tried hisound 0 ?
if i'm not mistaking, even if u'll use hisound 0, the system will try to convert it , for example , in my windows 7 i have 44,100Khz as the worst quality sound , so even if i set hisound to 0 , it will not be worse than 44,100Khz quality , and because of that skyscr3am said that we have to use an old sound card ... that's what i have understood

imYEA on 16 Apr 2015

dont waste your time trying this sound stuff! already tried this years ago! and like i said before: the problem isnt related to hl engine, because other steam games suffer from the same problem, but i guess i can write it 1000 times more and people still wanna think its cs related...

schoof on 16 Apr 2015

@schoof Then report that issue on the Steam repository, not here.

dont waste your time trying this sound stuff! already tried this years ago!
and like i said before; the problem isnt related to hl engine, because
other steam games suffer from the same problem, but i guess i can write it
1000 times more and people still wanna think its cs related...

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JoelTroch on 16 Apr 2015

@JoelTroch url? i only found steam repositories for linux ,vr and os...

is this the right one : https://github.com/ValveSoftware/SteamOS ? because i think os is linux version ?!!? give me plz a link to the windows steam client repository and i will post there, maybe i am blind but i couldnt find it!

schoof on 16 Apr 2015

@schoof My bad, I replied without checking because of tireness (?), it seems that the only place to report bugs for Steam is there : http://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/0/

SteamOS a Valve made fork of Debian, a distribution of Linux, so don't report there.

JoelTroch on 16 Apr 2015

i know this link, but i dont think the valve guys check this forums at all, here on github they are at least somehow active... i will post there, but i dont think they will respond!

schoof on 16 Apr 2015

@schoof it seems that they're not active here either !
the last time i've seen "alfred " was back in 2014

imYEA on 16 Apr 2015

I don't know if a ticket to Steam's support is allowed for bug reporting, worth a check though

JoelTroch on 16 Apr 2015

@JoelTroch you mean the normal tickets you can open with steam support? you dont wanna know how many tickets i or other people opened because of this problem... the support is useless, you only get computer generated answers!

schoof on 16 Apr 2015

@schoof I disagree with what you say, and the reason is simple.
I installed windows 7 on purpose (I had windows 8) to be able to run CS 1.6 NON-Steam.
Result? I have the exact same problems that I have the Steam version.

NON-STEAM version runs only slightly better, but on balance the movements, the recoil of the weapons is still busted.

You're probably right that STEAM has to do something, but it is not the only cause.
If it were so, then how do you explain that many users do not have these problems?

I think that is closely related to the configuration of the PC and that few details could play a key role, as in the case of audio.

Why I came to the conclusion that something has to do the audio?
Simple, whenever I introduced changes to the process hl.exe setting its priorities from low to real-time I noticed improvements in gameplay but deterioration in audio as noise, pop, crack, etc ..
I therefore inferred that the audio brings a significant load to the CPU, not so much as sheer power demand but apparently as response time in ms.
So I focused on this problem looking for a workaround.

Obviously I posted here because I try on github feedback from you about what I say, my theory is to be demonstrated, but at least to me .. at the moment seems to work well!
I do not hide that I fear it's just a passing cloud but excluding all the cause and cooperate we can find a valid solution.

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am have u done your tests , i mean , did u plugged the sound card and tried CS ??
let's suppose that cs will run smoothly and perfectly, don't forget that after every tweak , cs runs goood
so you have to test it for 1 week or more ..

imYEA on 16 Apr 2015

@imYEA yeah, i'm agree with u, this is the point..
I modified the *.wav and now CS run much better but i've played only 2 hours with this.
I'll try again tonight, fingers crossed.

the game is far from perfect because as I said above by changing the audio files I have weighed a lot (the dimensions are now more than double).
despite this, the first thing I noticed was a recoil almost perfect.
For example, before the change had to do with the ak47 long pauses by a burst to another because the crosshair was slow to get back into position.
Now is really very fast and I can do more consecutive burst without any problem.
Sometimes, however, feel that the sound from the headphones will lock up (in phases very confused) as if the workload was too.
In all cases than before now is gold.

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am what exactly you did ? coverted from 22 to 44 or the opposite ??

imYEA on 16 Apr 2015

@imYEA exact, i converted all sounds from original frequency of 22,050Khz to 44,100Khz
and obviously I set the output frequency of the audio at 44,100

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am you ask why only some people are affected by this problem? i would like to know the answer to that question myself! but i also think many people are having this problem without even knowing! im a good example for that: i was playing bad company 2 for nearly 2 years on steam, without knowing that my game ran like garbage in comparison to the origin version! only after finding out that not only cs is having this problem but also other games on steam i came to the conclusion its steam client related!

schoof on 16 Apr 2015

Confirm 22khz thing works! @skyscr3am bless on you
Tested on win10 + audigy 2
Love you all mates

HeadshotDeluxe on 16 Apr 2015

@HeadshotDeluxe what version of Audigy 2?
i need to buy one :p
I'm happy for you that worked, let us know if you continue to do so.
also I have played all night without LAG

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am Creative Audigy 2 ZS
I bought it to test the problem some years ago
i'll try to make comparison demos
stay tuned

HeadshotDeluxe on 17 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am @HeadshotDeluxe You both have to test for a long time ... remember that

i have to buy a sound card or just converting these sounds will help instead of buying a sound card ?

imYEA on 17 Apr 2015

@imYEA i'm playing CS for 1 day and the gameplay is still perfect.

i can find an economic old sound blaster audigy or audigy 2 or i think also SB Live! for little money.
OR u can convert all the sounds to 44100 or 48000hz (Logically then you have to set this value also in windows)
it took me a whole day to convert all the sounds one by one (1000 or more files i think)

remember that not all sound cards on the market will allow you to set values so low (as 22050Hz).
is a setting that is no longer used for some time (the problem is the drivers)
you could play it safe by purchasing a SB Audigy 2 ZS (is PCI not PCI-EX ..no newer motherboard has slots pci)

convert sounds has another disadvantage, when control caching of steam definitely changed files will be overwritten with the originals (for this I made the backup copy of the entire folder)
If you want to convert the sounds, not just convert those of CS but you have to convert even those of Half-Life (Valve in the folder)

do it this way, to see if the problem Lag relieves you can start by converting the entire folder "Weapons" and then create a server (LAN) and try if there are improvements (obviously take the test before and after)

skyscr3am on 17 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am
Can you upload the new sound folder

andrelip on 17 Apr 2015

@andrelip i have modded sounds not the original ones, is a mix from CS:GO and CSS
I do not think it's a combination that appeals to everyone

anyway I can try to create a zip for those who want to try, I just a little time I provide.

skyscr3am on 17 Apr 2015

@skyscr3am OK , so can u exaplain how to do it in windows XP ? because i have searched but no results...
and please make a video . and record yourself playing in a public server,just to prove to everyone that this is "for you" a final fix

imYEA on 17 Apr 2015

http://rghost.ru/7rjNMNdjX d2 csdm hs only demo 50Mb
Do you believe me now?

HeadshotDeluxe on 18 Apr 2015

@HeadshotDeluxe Why we wouldn't ? -.- ... as i said, you have to keep playing for 1 week or more to see if you'll keep the same performance and the same smoothness of the gameplay.
second thing is ... we have to prove that to other people and make these things officially as a final fix ... if the most of us has fixed it ;)
and btw , i cant open your demo because of models used in that server where you've played !

imYEA on 18 Apr 2015

@imYEA why not 1 year or 1 life? wait forever
the second day of smooth gameplay http://rghost.ru/6ZVXfnDlz
the same csdm hsonly server 83.222.97.90:27016

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

Please use the command timedemo on these records with both 44100 hz and 22hz sound so we could see benchmarks of these approach.

andrelip on 19 Apr 2015

@andrelip ok tomorrow

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

@HeadshotDeluxe nice sarcasm ... but it's not funny -_-
simply because many guys said that they have fixed these issues by doing 1 or 2 settings ... and after 1 week they back to say it isn't fixed yet
if you don't know what i'm talking about ... take a look here http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781721
and i'm happy for u if it works fine now -.-

imYEA on 19 Apr 2015

@imYEA i was there all the time from the beggining
placebo is strong
but not so strong anymore
at least for me

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

@HeadshotDeluxe then you know that many tweaks work well.. as many guys did there .. and after some days ...it will be "SH!T"

imYEA on 19 Apr 2015

@imYEA you have nothing to loose
wait and you will see
actually i understand you very well
and we will find it out
a bit scary to change my configuration back to default onboard audio >D

well wtf i'll do it right now

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

timedemo inf.dem test

OnBoard Creative Audio (16 bit /48 kHz):
14247 frames 77.505 seconds 183.819 fps

PCI Creative Audigy 2 ZS (16 bit /22.05 kHz) + BIOS disabled onboard audio:
14247 frames 71.529 seconds 199.178 fps

YAY!

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

one more time
14247 frames 69.379 seconds 205.351 fps

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

@andrelip @HeadshotDeluxe what's the point of that ( 14247 frames 69.379 seconds 205.351 fps )

imYEA on 19 Apr 2015

Please run 3 times each one since theres a delta since first run and the others.

andrelip on 19 Apr 2015

@imYEA this is not for noobs :)
@andrelip i'm lazy today. anyway it's almost pointless. imyea is right
so tell me all your testing strategy

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

@HeadshotDeluxe after reading some of your previous comments ... i understand that you're a little kid
Sorry guys .. i'ml done here ... good luck to everyone !

imYEA on 19 Apr 2015

@imYEA how do you know? amazing...

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2015

My point is that running time demo should boost the fps if the audio sample theory is correct. I ask to run it 3 times on each scenario because there's a little difference each time you run this test.

andrelip on 28 Apr 2015

@andrelip Your logic is clear, but what is next?
Fps boost is some indirect consequence. As for me the real value of this nonresampling stuff is resulting independency of mouse feelings/movement against pc performance\rendering. Now it's solid and fast.
I hope you got the point. English is my poor forty-second cousin

HeadshotDeluxe on 28 Apr 2015

@andrelip tried to convert every audio sound to wav 44 khz, nothing is changed, also some sounds doesn't work after this step
and i guess the point of using timedemo is the same as timerefresh (timerefresh is limited i know )
and i'm just curious about this ... some guys can get 2000 fps or more with a setup like mine
i have AMD athlon x2 64 6000+ 3.0 Ghz + 2G RAM + 9800 GT and the maximum value that i can get is 600 fps while playing ( while spectating i can get 1000 fps ), some players with the same setup get 1500 fps or more ... and i don't understand this point

imYEA on 28 Apr 2015

You can't use 1500 fps. The physical timer is limited at 1000hz. You processor is not that top of notch and even those that are will hardly maintain 999. Time refresh will get your fps in that instant while time demo will get you an average.

andrelip on 28 Apr 2015

@andrelip i agree when u've said "Time refresh will get your fps in that instant while time demo will get you an average."
but i've seen people having 16K fps .. i know i can't use it physically, but the machine show it anyway
in my case .. i can't get more than 600fps while playing ... and some people can get more than 16K look at this : http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=78520 the comment # 17
but what's the point of that , if you have an OP machine but with all these issues :/

imYEA on 28 Apr 2015

Hi guys Ive been in a huge agony related to unsmooth gameplay untill couple of weeks ago:D found a majestic fix which seemed to help me a lot;) and since i have only 75hz its not the best recoil i can get but its way smoothier than before. Tried all that shit in this topic and legendary one in steampowered. Nothing helped, but this. Dont bother urselves changing audio stuff tried that too got even shittiest quality ever ( telephone one) and it improved only a tiny bit.:)...

julius2k on 30 Apr 2015

[julius2K] You forgot to tell the fix you found.

andrelip on 30 Apr 2015

@julius2k what is this majestic fix so ?!

imYEA on 30 Apr 2015

Red dots after 34 minuts of gameplay?

Have anybody expreienced this problem, i think nobody ever had this problem expect me and one more guy on the net..

http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2l/tj/2sxfU8uo/asdasd.jpg

Here is a link..

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/2440

nidzakv on 2 May 2015

@nidzakv it has nothing to do with the main problem in this thread .. you have an issue related to the netcode maybe .. after 34 min ( as u said ) , try to close CS and open it again .. i'm experiencing this always ..sometime i just need to retry .. or lowering cl_updaterate ..and the red dots will disappear

imYEA on 2 May 2015

Yes but the gameplay is broken.. I have 10-15ms, but after 34 minutes it feels like 70-80ms, and its not posible to play.. Sorry if its off..

nidzakv on 2 May 2015

As i said .. if your problem begins when you see red dots appeared .. it's
absolutely network or server problem try what i wrote before
Our problem (in this thread ) appears after a fresh install of cs ... even
botg choke and loss are 0 .. no red dots... everything is good. .. but the
game feels so leggy and hard to do a simple jump or easy shot. .. you will
miss any easy shot with these issues
Le 2 mai 2015 13:17, "nidzakv" [email protected] a écrit :

Yes but the gameplay is broken.. I have 10-15ms, but after 34 minutes it
feels like 70-80ms, and its not posible to play.. Sorry if its off..

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Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/387#issuecomment-98356448
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imYEA on 2 May 2015

Hi again, so there is what I did. U may not agree with me but it helped me significantly. Im playing with VERTICAL SYNC ON now. And since i have 75hz monitor im forced to play with 75fps.
And a very important thing i did was to lower fps by setting fps_max 74. Than it locks at 74.5 on the screen, which eliminates the mouse being unsmooth. so fps_override 1 fps_max 74 and gl_vsync 1
I was surprised that such a ridiculous change may actually help but it happen. At least for me. ANd i can only imagine how it would be sexy to play with 120hz monitors.

julius2k on 4 May 2015

@julius2k how you can play with such a huge input lag ( about 0.3 second = 300 ms of latency ) between what you do and what you see in your monitor
i have 100 hz CRT monitor , and i've tried to play with v-synch ON..the game is smooth but slow as hell, i hadn't the chance to notice if there's an improvement or not because of this important lag ,and you can't eliminate this lag
so .. HOW ?

imYEA on 4 May 2015

imYEA what do you mean 300ms latency. I play in Lithuanian servers ( mix games) im from Ireland and its 90ms which is hard but since i started using fps_max 74 its really playable and i can be really good despite the ping. To remove that lag id recommend you to lower your fps so it would get locked on screen. lower it by 1. so if its 100hz monitor make it fps_max 99. I think it will work unless there is something else with CRT.

julius2k on 4 May 2015

@julius2k hey !
i've tried this, didn't helped at all, related to the main problem ( hitbox registry ), i can say it helps to eliminate the screen tearing and gives more smoothness of movements but nothing about the registration of bullets, quality of the image is OK , but it's hard to move or to shot
i have 2 main problems : unsmooth shots when people starts to shoot ( even if their bullets don't hit me ; i'ts like im blocked in my spot ;a thing that gives to my enemies more advantage to kill easily )
the second thing ; even my reflex is good, it didn't helps at all, i start shooting first, only the both first bullets are registered , the rest goes away, they can turn and give an easy spray or 2 bullets , started to shot people at the chess instead of the head , it didn't help too
conclusion : 2 bullets are registered, 3 or 4 aren't, i have to spray about 13 or 14 bullets to kill 1 guy with 4 or 3 registered bullets in his model.
ps : the SAME problem in CSGO, the game is smooth compared to CS 1.6 but about registration is the same thing

@schoof where are you, no news ?

imYEA on 6 May 2015

@imYEA i have nothing to add to this conversation atm, i thought @skyscr3am and the other guys fixed the problem with their soundcard/sound files stuff (things i tried a couple of years ago without success...) !?!?

schoof on 7 May 2015

@schoof i tried this stuff a couple years ago too and without success also
how can we convince you?
let's make a recipe

HeadshotDeluxe on 7 May 2015

@schoof im always facing this sh°t randomly in both CS 1.6 and CSGO ( 128 tickrate )
sound files didn't helped by converting them at all .. maybe i've made mistakes while converting ( from 22 to 44 khz ) ;; when i did it.. no sound was played in game
anyway .. i hope someday to play like before .. or to fix CSGO hitbox (because it's the most played atm in the CS scene ) ... and enjoy playing ...

imYEA on 7 May 2015

@imYEA buy audigy2 and test the fix
Did someone test it this way?

HeadshotDeluxe on 7 May 2015

just so you guys know: i dont even use an onboard (realtek) soundcard, i own an external usb soundcard (asus xonar u7)! so im pretty sure your fix/workaround isnt an ultimate fix/workaround that helps everybody, but if it helped you guys im happy for you!
i have been testing some other stuff related to user/admin rights in windows, something that i already did test in the past which helped in the beginning, but it later degraded to bad gameplay again, like it always did with many so called "fixes"! 2 weeks ago i found something out by accident in regard to the admin account on windows, since then all my games on steam run "normal", at least i cant see anything wrong or different with them! cs 1.6 feels like in the good old days! i havent been posting about it, because i wanted to be as certain as possible that it really works and i also wanted to do more tests! im still waiting for the usual "the problem came back" moment, but so far it didnt come back!

schoof on 11 May 2015

so schoof whats the trick?:)

julius2k on 11 May 2015

@schoof just share it plz
i'm using windows XP in my desktop PC, i've noticed something strange related to this
i'm the only person using this computer ,that means i'm the administrator normally, since i have one windows account on it, but when i do a right click on steam icon, run as ... i select administrator and i have to type a password, the only one password created is mine for sure, but it won't to launch the program at all. i launch it as "my_Account_Name" and password, i have no explanation about this ... if it's really related to this ..i'll be like "Really ?! -.- "
starting to play with my old friends CSGO .. and feel myself like a newbie ... the problem is that i've playing this game since the beta version and all of them are new to this version of the game (csgo) ..
how sad when you see newbies raping you because of a s°itty problem, and you're sure about it !

imYEA on 11 May 2015

@julius2k i want to test more: first i want to test my "fix" on my 2 other pcs and when im sure it works there, i plan on reinstalling windows on my gaming pc, so im 100% sure i can reproduce this fix! ive already told a friend about this fix, but he cant reproduce it! im fairly certain its because he has changed so much stuff on his pc when trying to fix this problem that he changed some important user-settings etc. for this fix to work, or maybe ive also changed something that has to be done also for my fix to work, im not sure... yet!
@imYEA the example you use when you tried to launch steam whith different user rights/priviliges is connected to my fix! because i experienced the same thing you did! thats why i began to start testing with this user settings stuff 2 weeks ago!

sry for being a little paranoid, but after all this years and all this testing i wanna be 100% sure its really a fix that works... forever! im also quiet tired of all the hate and troll messages i got in the past when i tried to help people in the steam forum, thats why im also so careful!

schoof on 11 May 2015

@schoof take your time and don't forget us XD
bad persons are everywhere , why would i do care about these people ?if there will be only one good person who's trying to fix this with me .. i'll be glad to work and test with him
anyway take your time ... hopefully it will be a real fix for you !

imYEA on 11 May 2015

I still think the only fix is fiber optic FTTH quality connection.. I tested motherfucking everything you can imagine. FTTH is only thing that makes changes to something that looks lika LAN gameplay..

nidzakv on 11 May 2015

@nidzakv sorry but you dont need this
let me explain to you a very strange thing.. i'm Moroccan and i live in morocco ... most of my friends live here.... you can't imagine how the hell their CS 1.6 and Go run : fast, smooth , easy to kill, clean hitbox .. everything you want , all this stuff with 60 70 ms of latency .. if all Moroccans were like me .. i can say ok it's our bad ISP or ... but all of us have an old ADSL line with maximum 20 Mb of download rate ( ping is always the same ; 4 Mb contract or 20 mb ; doesn't matter ) , we have only one provider.. and i'm the 3rd person maybe who's facing this Shit
last thing to add is : all of them are in the "supreme master first class " grade in CSGO for example, just to tell you it's not about the latency or the skill, if the game run perfectly , they can meet french, German, Spanish people and play versus them without any problem

imYEA on 11 May 2015

when im done or have progressed enough with my testing i will update you guys for sure! if i find the time later tonight i might already have an update for you guys...

schoof on 11 May 2015

@schoof Great .. keep it up sir !

imYEA on 11 May 2015

@imYEA

Are you and your "smoth cs" friends neighbours? Do you use the same ADSL "base" od central, or i dont know how to call it in english? Its the second hoop when you tracert an ip..

Give me ss of www.google.com tracert from cmd.

nidzakv on 11 May 2015

okay schoof we are waiting :D best of luck

julius2k on 11 May 2015

@nidzakv i'm at work now , but it won't help man ... why 'im supposed to be the only one guy connected to a bad central ?! all of my friends are living in different city's
and i can tell you that sometimes i'm facing to this problem even when i launch a LAN game !!

imYEA on 11 May 2015

@imYEA I'm 98% sure it's your adsl central overload.. Do the tracert, and al give you the proof..
I play this shit for 15 years, changed 3 completly different pc'es.. Just perfect internet helped..
I'm talking for bad recoil. Perfect bullet register is only available if you and opponent have flawles internet connections, 100 constant fps, no cenytral overload, perfect PEER between ISP'es.. And that is imposible.. 10 years ago, there was waaaaaayyyyyyyy leeess people downloading, whatching youtube, so everybody think the cs was running better on old pc'es. Actualy, the network was not overload, packed were not lost.. Thats the only truth.

Lets se the schoof solution, but i think its placebo.. Hope to be wrong..

nidzakv on 11 May 2015

@nidzakv
Tracert www.google.com ; that's what i've got

3 68 ms 39 ms 66 ms 81.192.65.162
4 39 ms 40 ms 38 ms 81.192.65.161
5 41 ms 42 ms 39 ms 81.192.25.73
6 48 ms 49 ms 49 ms 149.11.18.61
7 67 ms 62 ms 62 ms 154.54.36.113
8 74 ms 73 ms 74 ms 130.117.0.189
9 88 ms 87 ms 88 ms 130.117.51.174
10 91 ms 91 ms 92 ms 130.117.3.113
11 98 ms 98 ms 98 ms

imYEA on 11 May 2015

And the first 2 hops? The second is most important..

Run winMTR, enter ip of cs server (without port), putt SS here or send me a PM or something..

nidzakv on 11 May 2015

the second is always unreachable because it's the ISP one , so they simply filter te ICMP ( ping ) trafic , i'm not the only one having this as i think
look here : http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/run-traceroute-command/
the same thing for the 2nd hop , always "Request timed out." , the first is just 192.168.1.1 which is the local ip of my router
for this reason i posted from the 3rd and so ..

imYEA on 11 May 2015

ok guys i need a bit of help from you!
i cant get to run cs on my old laptop anymore, because i had to replace the old gfx card a couple of months ago, since then i only achieve 10 fps in cs, dont ask me why, but im too lazy to try to get it to run properly on my laptop at the moment! in regard to my old gaming pc my fix seems to work like it does on my normal gaming pc, but i have only been able to test it for a couple of days so the problem could come back...
if anybody wanna do some tests add me in steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/schoof31
dont start to call me names etc... if the fix doesnt work right away or at all on your pc, because ive given my fix to a couple of friends and it didnt help everybody, so im not sure why it doesnt work for everybody, thats why i need more people to test it! maybe the fix only works on certain windows versions or configurations!?!?

schoof on 12 May 2015

@schoof i guess i have you in the friend list but in my second steam account
i'll add you ... i guess i'll be free from 20H00 GMT+1
btw , any of your friends use windows XP ?

imYEA on 12 May 2015

@imYEA i got the fix to work on win8.1 and win7 (old gaming pc) myself, havent been able to test winxp yet!
i will be online around 20:00 CET at the earliest, gonna do some sports now, we have nice weather here in germany at the moment :o)
cu later guys

schoof on 12 May 2015

@schoof Good stuff :D have fun , i'm working for 2 more hours :'(

imYEA on 12 May 2015

schoof i added u accept me. I have a decent gaming pc but cs is shit so i would like to test it very much:) as well as that we could play some competitve csgo if you are insterested :D so accept me. NOH

julius2k on 12 May 2015

Any news? someone who really fix the problem?

relampagoflash on 15 May 2015

@relampagoflash me with @skyscr3am fix. ask.
@schoof did u try to set 22khz output with your usb interface?
win10 installation fixed all user\admin rights issues for me, it works good even on wooden pc (mine is 10 yo)

HeadshotDeluxe on 15 May 2015

some time installing win 10 went well a while and then the problem returned and audio .. not think it's the cause.

relampagoflash on 15 May 2015

the problem returned - sounds like a disaster, or is it just you and your placebo
why do you think resampling thing is not the cause?

HeadshotDeluxe on 15 May 2015

I changed all things possible. I have spent four years the problem .. maybe modify audio cfg better .. but it does not work exactly

relampagoflash on 15 May 2015

all possible - that's the lie
only four? we spent 7-8 years so what
there are lot of influencing things... so what's the point? i have WORKING configuration here
let's do the tests to find the cause

will try to use my usb audio interface tonight

HeadshotDeluxe on 15 May 2015

@HeadshotDeluxe i already told you guys i tried this stuff years ago, so your fix is not my fix!
@relampagoflash my steam games are working totally fine atm, it will be 3 weeks this weekend! i gave this fix to some other guys, for some it worked, but it has to be tested longer to be sure! for others it didnt help, but i think they had other problems or not the same problem like i did!

schoof on 15 May 2015

@schoof configuration which believes it can solve the problem? I keep the other steam forum, there is nothing that you can solve this problem.

relampagoflash on 15 May 2015

My complaint is about the movement, recoil, no record bullets ..

relampagoflash on 15 May 2015

@relampagoflash add me in steam and i can try to help you!

schoof on 15 May 2015

@schoof I'm sorry I do not have steam. check steampowered forum post, you send a message. thanks greetings!

relampagoflash on 15 May 2015

@schoof Can you lay out here to fix ?

zamlaa on 17 May 2015

@zamlaa add me in steam!

schoof on 17 May 2015

Hey Everyone! Please stop complain about random things. The title said 'cs only runs normal after running it the first time'. STOP talking about network congest and bullshit if we are TALKING about CS ONLY RUNNING FAST AT THE FIRST RUN. If you want to try to see if that problem affects you, format your pc, install sandboxie and run cs with it to test how fluid the game is everytime you reset the box. If that's not your case, THEN GO OUT AND CREATE your own ticket. If you have something to say about the game/steam cache, default config that was lost after game run some initialization script or something that could explain the first run behaviour be welcome. Schoof you was flamed because every now and then you comes with a '100% sure no doubt forever fix that was working for a year' (and I remember bizarre placeb... fixes of you like buying CS in a different steam bundle and change steam language). That's it.

andrelip on 20 May 2015

@andrelip thx for your nice words! ive only tried to help people, but i guess thats how you get treated, especially in the internet... i have no problem in admitting that i was wrong before, but so where others! i guess you arent fallible!?!?
so from now on plz sent all your questions and cries for help to mr andrelip, he has all the answers!

p.s.: and one more thing, educate yourself what the real meaning of the word "placebo" is!

schoof on 21 May 2015

Everyone here is guessing... the problem is the overemphasis you put on your guesses like saying it has been working for months even if 2 weeks early you had a completely different eternal fix. There are nice guesses people made like the DPC Lat, Bios Power Savings, this sound resampling stuff but almost all of your guesses don't make any sense at all. Like these two examples that I said in the previous post. You replied to people that ignored you fix like if you those people was dumb enough to discuss a mystery that was already solved. That's your problem. Anyway... It's good to know that you have caution now.

andrelip on 21 May 2015

@andrelip the lawyer
@schoof the professor
how much arrogance ..

and congratulations dear @schoof to me removed from friends of steam when I asked you to tell me your magic FIX

You are so convinced that the deal is the administrative rights to Windows, but you have not been careful .. you tried installing Steam under LINUX ???

I installed Linux and tried CS, and I can clearly say that the problem is there too.
So permits, or whatever you've discovered and do not want to deliver, how can they influiere on what is filled in Steam.exe (which seems PROBLEM).
Let's say then that I have the same problems as all (recoil, slow movements, lag), but strangely I have also release NON-STEAM .. how can you explain this?
and trust me it's not my PC problem, I ping of 30ms and a Core i5-2500 8GB ram and GTX670 2GB.

Also if I say that most of the LAG occurs by the sounds, because you say no?
I did the tests in order to say this and you sound you've never spoken, what would you feel?

What I do not understand is that sound, video and input traveling on separate threads and if one of these is out of sync the game will go to sh ..
So the main problem is who generates over 100fps .. is a synchronization problem, the audio in this sense because it helps?
I suppose because it generates more load on the process by slowing down the road .. reverse does not seem to pay.

You opened this thread on github for what? Want help from Valve? As you no, you know what they do not care.
If we do not help each other we will be better that we get used to keep CS as well.

The fact of the first installation then I have yet to understand ..
to me often enough to change a parameter to get the game perfectly .. but for a few minutes.

Good work and good luck

skyscr3am on 26 May 2015

@schoof i dont know what is the reason behind deleting me from your friend list , i find this ''FUNNY'' more than anything else :D , especially if it's because of what @andrelip said about you (actually i don't agree with him) , let me say that you're really retarded if it's the case ... and especially that i've said to you before : " Do good things, and forget about ppl who try to make you stupid , because you , you try , and all they can do is commenting arrogantly "
i'm out, good luck to everyone, and thanks anyway for your efforts ;)

imYEA on 27 May 2015

@imYEA let them lose ..

he deleted you because it has nothing to say, himself is a placebo.
the FIX of miracle.. he can put it in his back.

@imYEA add me to Steam that'll help you

skyscr3am on 27 May 2015

Hey all! I have having this problem for 13-14 years and nothing helps. I have on many differend pc´s with differend hardware. So its propperly not hardware related. On my first computer it suddenly came after having played for years with no lag. So Im almost sure its not hardware related cos I didnt change anything in the computer. I have tried everything almost, and the lag in the start was abit better right after reinstall but when you got the lag for a long time, this minimal help almost gone. Setting rates wont help. setting steam.exe high or low priority wont help, setting account as admin wont help, adjusting videosettings wont help. I have heard so many saying those thing and it doesnt help at all.
The only thing that helped for me, was when I talked to a steam supporter, say how to uninstall the game, in a special way, but then it worked for a very shot time, dont know exactly if it even was the reinstall that helped a very short while or not. But my best guest its eighter Valves fault or isp related. Maby to much noise/interfearens from the cable or steamfiles are corrupted in someway. Some mention about steam.dll is corrupted, but I also tried that, with no luck. I also tried to put cl_lw to 0 but the command aint exsist anymore (css). I tryed only using 1 core dindt help. I maby think it was a steam update wich causes it or isp is overloaded in someway - dispite I have 100mb download and 20upload. I have tryed to use isp fix programs without any change.. So the game is just not worse to play anymore.. and I dont buy any new games from Steam before its fixed, because the lag is in all thier games even in CS-GO and its the only thing they have respect for when people dont paying money for there games. I have talked with 2 different people at steam support, and they do nothing not even try to fix the problem, despite alot of players have this problem. So my best advice is dont buy they shit game, wich I loved 13 years ago, but now its nothing but shit bulletregistration, recoil and movement lag. Impossible to get a good score. There is alot of videos on Youtube about the problem, and Valve just do nothing.. I hope you can use this to get on maby finding a soluton, and dont waste your time trying the same thing I have. Last I also try alot of regeditfixes but nothing helped. Multicast disable dont help.
I wich you all luck with this insane problem, I dont do anything anymore..
Best regards

out6redbull on 8 Jun 2015

Guys , its me makakin21 from cs isnt smooth thread, i've tryed to add many of you guys , my new nickname on steam is "futu".
First of all i want to say you, i fixxed this input lag permanently and it doesnt matter what mobo you have.
As i said many times in old thread i will said it again, if i dont count presence , the last time i played cs smooth and nice on my own computer was 5 years ago using Intel D875PBZ, do you know why everything ran ok at this mobo? It has no onboard audio, i was using SB LIVE 5.1 and everything ran ok.
As you can know almost every mobo is now using Realtek onboard drivers.
I changed three mobos, and three gpus (with realtek onboard) and all games , not only CS , but almost every game was crappy and unsmooth.
I also tryed to disable onboard audio in bios and put my sb live in but it still was not smooth as on intel board.
Today i tryed very very very simple thing.
I ve made clean install of win 7, i've downloaded latest realtek drivers and latest nvidia drivers ( in this case i dont think that theese drivers are important but continue reading).
After drivers installed i obviously rebooted my pc and then i've plugged my headphones to FRONT PANEL of computer and guess what. My whole problem with this lag is gone, not only small improvement but permanent fix. Its pleasure to play games now again, holy shit im in love with dod:s , tf2 again. I know maybe some of you is using external sound card and their games are still crappym but as i said , i was using external audio card too but after i switched my headphones to front panel , the input lag is GONE. After you plug it into front panel, windows should detected them as "Headphones" (Tested it over 15 hours, after several restarts the game is still smooth and its not just like "SMOOTH" it works now how it should to be.)
As a proof , im including dem from CSDM only hs mod (internet server but the players are bots ), you need to download de_tuscan map. http://www.321webs.com/download/95507.htm check it

makakin21futu on 19 Jul 2015

First of all. Thanks for being cool and poqting here to help people
I respect your point but im using my headsets since the beginning in the
front panel. And i don't have realtek sound card i have sigma tel with a
poor driver that i can't update because the manufacturer has a only 1
driver from 2006
Im planning to buy an another pc in the next 5 mounts and will see ...
Le 19 juil. 2015 12:15, "makakin21futu" [email protected] a écrit :

Guys , its me makakin21 from cs isnt smooth thread, i've tryed to add many
of you guys , my new nickname on steam is "futu".
First of all i want to say you, i fixxed this input lag permanently and it
doesnt matter what mobo you have.
As i said many times in old thread i will said it again, if i dont count
presence , the last time i played cs smooth and nice on my own computer was
5 years ago using Intel D875PBZ, do you know why everything ran ok at this
mobo? It has no onboard audio, i was using SB LIVE 5.1 and everything ran
ok.
As you can know almost every mobo is now using Realtek onboard drivers.
I changed three mobos, and three gpus (with realtek onboard) and all games
, not only CS , but almost every game was crappy and unsmooth.
I also tryed to disable onboard audio in bios and put my sb live in but it
still was not smooth as on intel board.
Today i tryed very very very simple thing.
I ve made clean install of win 7, i've downloaded latest realtek drivers
and latest nvidia drivers ( in this case i dont think that theese drivers
are important but continue reading).
After drivers installed i obviously rebooted my pc and then i've plugged
my headphones to FRONT PANEL of computer and guess what. My whole problem
with this lag is gone, not only small improvement but permanent fix. Its
pleasure to play games now again, holy shit im in love with dod:s , tf2
again. I know maybe some of you is using external sound card and their
games are still crappym but as i said , i was using external audio card too
but after i switched my headphones to front panel , the input lag is GONE.
After you plug it into front panel, windows should detected them as
"Headphones" (Tested it over 15 hours, after several restarts the game is
still smooth and its not just like "SMOOTH" it works now how it should to
be.)

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imYEA on 19 Jul 2015

Maybe it's because that motherboard (875pbz) was manufactured by Siemens and not by a computer manufacture like Asus.
Telecomunication and satelite industry requires a much higher standart than conventional computer industry. We don't see motherboards like that these days.

xxxMarioxxx on 27 Aug 2015

I've been following this thread for so long and tried almost all the solutions were provided.

Lately I found what I think it's a solution or at least a partial fix for me.

Below are the commands which you have to run on a Command Prompt window with Administrator rights:

bcdedit /set disabledynamicktick yes
bcdedit /set useplatformclock true

and restart.

I wish you all Merry Christmas.

DeN4gg on 22 Dec 2015

hey bro
what those commands do ?

2015-12-22 21:53 GMT+00:00 DeN4gg [email protected]:

I've been following this thread for so long and tried almost all the
solutions were provided.

Lately I found what I think it's a solution or at least a partial fix for
me.

Below are the commands which you have to run on a Command Prompt window
with Administrator rights:

bcdedit /set disabledynamicktick yes
bcdedit /set useplatformclock true

and restart.

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imYEA on 23 Dec 2015

More info here.

Since BCDEdit modify boot options, I recommend people to be careful with it.

JoelTroch on 23 Dec 2015

makakin your game run smoothly? I have tried everything what is possible. Can u help me with Front Audio? after 5 minutes, the game runs slower/stuttering/recoil bug

w4Ld1 on 2 Mar 2016

Front HD Audio don't fix this Problem :-1:

w4Ld1 on 5 Mar 2016

Hello guys. I am new here, BUT, i fighting with the problem described in topic about 2,5 years. And my expirience in CS is about 11 years. As @schoof said "the consequence is that your weapon recoil is just not right and really hard to control! the screen shaking animation when shooting is also much bigger (especially spraying but you also see it when just shooting single shots)" is the most terrible for me to play.
What interesting, this problem have started from nowhere. Exactly on this computer i always played normally and feel that the game is running fine and smooth. So that was 2,5 years of researching, and i got no result till today...
I allways suspected that the problem is somewhere in registry and windows7, because obviously that shit with cs started when i did setup win7.
And today I installed ProcessMonitor - the tool monitors and displays in real-time all file system activity on a Microsoft Windows operating system. And registry too.
So i oppened it, checked only registry activity displaying and run CounterStrike..
And what do you think? When I join the server, the ProcessMonitor start displaying what happens in registry every 0.01 sek. And i start scrolling: "succes","succes","name not found","buffer overflow"....WHAT? maybe thats a reason? And i found reg keys called:

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MMDevices\Audio\Render{d4baa522-ff70-4a41-bf2c-bf04e832249d}\Properties{b3f8fa53-0004-438e-9003-51a46e139bfc},2
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MMDevices\Audio\Render{38a47bc2-451c-4b1a-b5d6-37a220dbe0b1}\Properties{b3f8fa53-0004-438e-9003-51a46e139bfc},2
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MMDevices\Audio\Render{91c29906-2963-4912-9982-a08f198dd0be}\Properties{b3f8fa53-0004-438e-9003-51a46e139bfc},2

And all three of them is causing that "Buffer Overflow". Okkkay, then i made a backup of this branch and delete all those three keys, open CS.. and OH MY GOD.. bullets fly sooo perfect that i want for a long time of trying to solve this problem. I played like an hour and it still perfect, cuz before 10 min was enough to my game screwed up. It feel like the problem was in that "overflow_audio_renderer_cache blablabla_something" Hoh im so happy. I keep testing and will back to report.

maloivanenko on 12 Mar 2016

@prAdsky
Hello man ... after deleting these entries ... are you experiencing any
audio problem ? Cause as i see these entries are audio related
Le 12 mars 2016 16:49, "prAdsky" [email protected] a écrit :

Hello guys. I am new here, BUT, i fighting with the problem described in
topic about 2,5 years. And my expirience in CS is about 11 years. As
@schoof https://github.com/schoof said "the consequence is that your
weapon recoil is just not right and really hard to control! the screen
shaking animation when shooting is also much bigger (especially spraying
but you also see it when just shooting single shots)" is the most terrible
for me to play.
What interesting, this problem have started from nowhere. Exactly on this
computer i always played normally and feel that the game is running fine
and smooth. So that was 2,5 years of researching, and i got no result till
today...
I allways suspected that the problem is somewhere in registry and
windows7, because obviously that shit with cs started when i did setup win7.
And today I installed ProcessMonitor - the tool monitors and displays in
real-time all file system activity on a Microsoft Windows operating system.
And registry too.
So i oppened it, checked only registry activity displaying and run
CounterStrike..
And what do you think? When I join the server, the ProcessMonitor start
displaying what happens in registry every 0.01 sek. And i start scrolling:
"succes","succes","name not found","buffer overflow"....WHAT? maybe thats a
reason? And i found reg keys called:

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MMDevices\Audio\Render{d4baa522-ff70-4a41-bf2c-bf04e832249d}\Properties{b3f8fa53-0004-438e-9003-51a46e139bfc},2

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MMDevices\Audio\Render{38a47bc2-451c-4b1a-b5d6-37a220dbe0b1}\Properties{b3f8fa53-0004-438e-9003-51a46e139bfc},2

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MMDevices\Audio\Render{91c29906-2963-4912-9982-a08f198dd0be}\Properties{b3f8fa53-0004-438e-9003-51a46e139bfc},2

And all three of them is causing that "Buffer Overflow". Okkkay, then i
made a backup of this branch and delete all those three keys, open CS.. and
OH MY GOD.. bullets fly sooo perfect that i want for a long time of trying
to solve this problem. I played like an hour and it still perfect, cuz
before 10 min was enough to my game screwed up. Hoh im so happy. I keep
testing and will back to report.

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imYEA on 12 Mar 2016

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@prAdsky We are waiting for news friend)

DeN4gg on 12 Mar 2016

@imYEA audio is absolutely fine. even after reboot. its like something kinda parametrs or id. wherever its not important but seems like system trying to do something wrong cuz of that. Dunno but i played about 4 hour and game was absolutely smooth and perfect. Till i run it again 1 hour ago )) damn. Something wrong happening again.
Then I trying monitoring all registry movements, and found some more of that kind "Buffer Overflow" and it keep spamming some times.
I searched in google about this, and seems like this is not a big deal.
Maybe temporarly clearence, or as someting said: "game is running better after change something"
who knows//
oh.. and one more thing.
Step by step. I have in my cs folder autoexec.cfg, 1.cfg and config.cfg, last one is renewing when u are execing ur own cfg (my 1.cfg). Then I start CS, play a little bit, and after a while its getting worse and worse, not crytical like was before, but anyway its painfully tho. And when i saw it happens, to solve this problem (temporarly for sure) i need to exec for example config.cfg and then again my 1.cfg. And game become much better. Bad thing, its temporarly..
So obviously it something happening with settings inside the system, because how its getting worse for a while if u do nothing just a play? even with cl_filterstuffcmd 1 so the server cant do nothing to my settings.
And i can't find where is the problem living.
By the way, then i desided to reboot, and voila!, its fine again. I don't know for how long. One thing i never do yet - installing Win XP again. Because as i said before, this problems started when i change my xp to 7.
Someone said, that this shit with cs started after "great" last update in 2013, but idk, because I even backuped old one build 4554, and nothing was better.!

maloivanenko on 13 Mar 2016

i cant delete any key in this path, access denied (Full Access)
@prAdsky your game runs smoothly?
how can i display process monitor ingame with real-life action?

i found some entrys with buffer overflow:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6798&SUBSYS_E208174B&REV_00\4&bab4994&0&0008
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MountPoints2\CPC\Volume{f78302cc-084c-11e5-824f-806e6f6e6963}
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MountPoints2\CPC\Volume{803c068a-0000-0000-0000-50b31d000000}
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MountPoints2\CPC\Volume{944d942e-ed38-4f39-b4f1-905c8890a67e}
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions{FDD39AD0-238F-46AF-ADB4-6C85480369C7}
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions{0762D272-C50A-4BB0-A382-697DCD729B80}
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions{33E28130-4E1E-4676-835A-98395C3BC3BB}

Audio Render fine without Buffering Overflow

w4Ld1 on 14 Mar 2016

@w4Ld1
After some games its got worse again. So.. my method was probbly a luck for a one day)
I still dont know how to fix this.
To monitoring only game u should set filter (at prog start or 6th bottom button) and find where architecture change to process name, and - is - hl.exe - enter - enter. Then run the game. U can also set interesting monitoring data for u (last 5 bottom buttons): reg, filedata, network, threads.

p.s. Do u have Inboard Realteck audio?

maloivanenko on 16 Mar 2016

@w4Ld1 u can obtain full control of a specific key of the registry by clicking right mouse on it and set security, change from thrusted installer (or system) owner to you..
Now u can delete or modify the key

My suggest, don't play with registry editor in this way
listed above the keys are used to setting panel of the sounds in windows
They do not need to solve the problem in CS

you have not read and followed the thread, I specifically explained that the problem is mainly related to audio, but most likely in the way it manages CS
Because of certain PC creates problems and others not this is a mystery
but long ago I had solved in part by playing with the process priorities and MMCSS.
Basically CS would take a audio managed in real time which apparently Windows but also recent Linux Ubuntu (I tested that too) does not allow it with the hardware available today.
Would be tested really high-end sound cards .. but I am not referring to the Sound Blaster or ASUS but for example to ESI or M-Audio
I've tested many commercial sound cards and still own a Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD
With the majority of these Windows sound cards do not allow you to set the lowest frequency of 16bit 44.100Hz while the CS audio file work in 22.050hz in mono
Each sound is then processed and resampled to bring 44.100Hz (if this is set)
In addition.. from Windows Vista and actually Win10.. Windows sound is handled via the Multimedia Class Scheduler Service (MMCSS) and I highly recommend you do not disable the service
EVEN if you play with its parameters in the registry, you can see how the gameplay of CS change..
but unfortunately the sound degrades and becomes unplayable (with sounds)

Windows XP handles different audio and with certain sound cards may return the old and good gameplay of CS

skyscr3am on 17 Mar 2016

@skyscr3am tell me please how i got this problem 3 years ago but in the same pc config?? So problem in win7 + hardware? U can bet if i install winxp all will be fine?

I found a little about MMCSS, wiki says:

Problems:
This service has been implicated in poor networking performance while multimedia is playing. In response to this, Microsoft has included a configurable option in Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and later where users can specify the network throttling index value for the Multimedia Class Scheduling Service so that network performance and audio/video playback quality can be balanced according to how users configure it.

And with considering that vista and 7 got similar core...u are could be right.

p.s. and tell me one more thing. how can audio be a problem, if when i starting get unsmooth cs, just easily execing the another cfg (even default.cfg) and then again my own fix this probl?.. at least for a while..

maloivanenko on 17 Mar 2016

check with Wireshark your connection
CS and Steam generate a lot of RTP packets with Payload audio.. like audio streaming
here it is probably because the sound does

any changes made in config probably generates new RTP packets that are then settling in
this is the only explanation I have given, I do not see other

skyscr3am on 17 Mar 2016

@skyscr3am seems like, but how can fix this RTP packets?
oh but not only cfg changes make influence..
also when i change netsh parametrs, such as wsh disabling or chimney

maloivanenko on 17 Mar 2016

@prAdsky yes i have onboard realtek.
@skyscr3am how can i block these packets?

w4Ld1 on 17 Mar 2016

we can't..
at least not to have a professional firewall or a dedicated PC with function of firewall
and in any case it is not said that this causes malfunctions of Steam or the games if they have been designed to operate so
Also the only way that comes to mind would be disabling the Multicast but surely then several streaming functions etc .. no longer work

I repeat .. the easiest way I found I was to "lighten up" or more efficient this kind of streaming by playing with process priorities such as dwm.exe and hl.exe process to real-time priority on cpu 0 only
Also I recommend you try the parameter:
_snd_mixahead set it to a value less than 0.1
0.05 is already a significant improvement, lower values distort the sound, or they do go out of synch
Years ago on Windows XP I was able to use it to 0.01 and it change so much the gameplay

skyscr3am on 17 Mar 2016

@skyscr3am doesnt help this _snd_mixahead. i changed 0.05-0.06 even try 0.01 with delayed audio. useless for me (

maloivanenko on 17 Mar 2016

me too, nothing changed :(
today gameplay unplayable! movement delayed, most effect when landing on the ground.
@prAdsky is your movement normal?

w4Ld1 on 19 Mar 2016

Its like this. There are only 2 things that can cause lag.

Bad isp
Bad server

I am playing this sht for 14-15 years, maybe on 500 different pc's, and i have never issued a LAN LAG.
When there is 5 pc connected to same router, they all lag the same if isp is bad. (Udp/tcp)

Im bored to type, if someone needs detailed explaination, and some usefull tips for better "running" of a game, add me on steam esknikola, ill be glad to help.

Btw, i would realy like to see that what you call lag but offline playing lag. So can someone record and upload?
And stop ruining your nervs, its not your pc, electricity, front panel, mouse bla bla...

nidzakv on 19 Mar 2016

@nidzacv

I will add u bro. It will be a long discussion :)
Le 19 mars 2016 15:32, "nidzakv" [email protected] a écrit :

Its like this. There are only 2 things that can cause lag.

Bad isp

Bad server

I am playing this sht for 14-15 years, maybe on 500 different pc's, and i
have never issued a LAN LAG.
When there is 5 pc connected to same router, they all lag the same if isp
is bad. (Udp/tcp)

Im bored to type, if someone needs detailed explaination, and some usefull
tips for better "running" of a game, add me on steam esknikola, ill be glad
to help.

Btw, i would realy like to see that what you call lag but offline playing
lag. So can someone record and upload?
And stop ruining your nervs, its not your pc, electricity, front panel,
mouse bla bla...

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imYEA on 19 Mar 2016

@w4Ld1 after my last post i didn't open cs, i go play warface. game is shitty and moneysuckingvipbastards but at least i can easy aiming and shooting..

maloivanenko on 19 Mar 2016

@nidzakv

what's your steam ID ?? cause esknikola doesn't work

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@w4Ld1 https://github.com/w4Ld1 after my last post i didn't play, i go
play warface. game is shitty and moneysuckingvipbastards but at least i can
easy aiming and shot..

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imYEA on 19 Mar 2016

Give me yours..

nidzakv on 19 Mar 2016

@nidzakv

id : khalilcrpn

2016-03-19 21:23 GMT+00:00 nidzakv [email protected]:

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imYEA on 20 Mar 2016

Cant find anything..

nidzakv on 20 Mar 2016

@prAdsky how cs runs now?

w4Ld1 on 24 Mar 2016

I have been on a search to fix issues with cs 1.6 and quake3 (older games) for the past year trying every combination of commands and one change made the most significant improvement. SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE and disabling CUDA cores ie set to None in NV control panel, however the cuda cores change isn't need to feel the difference.

In other guides related to fixing cs 1.6 after updates it says only if you have nvidia optimus issues should you apply this, yesterday I enabled this for my nvidia GTX 560ti and it fixed mouse sensitivity/gameplay in both cs 1.6 and quake3. The feeling and results were night and day, it feels very close to how it used to, pre 2013.

''without'' SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE my mouse sensitivity is very inconsistent. Anyone with NVIDIA should enable this regardless if you have optimus or not.

Download nvidia inspector then find "Half Life" from the drop down menu, and then scroll down to "enable application optimus option" and set it to "SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE" and click apply settings.

Other settings i'm using in cs 1.6:
fps_max 99
m_rawinput 0
-nofbo -noforcemparms -noforcemaccel
cl_updaterate 100
cl_cmdrate 103
rate 100000
snd_noextraupdate "0"
cl_mousegrab "0"
gl_vsync 0
gl_ansio 0
m_customaccel "0"
m_customaccel_exponent "1"
m_customaccel_max "0"
m_customaccel_scale "0"

Would love if someone could try this who hasn't tried the SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE on their nvidia card.

djdallmann on 26 Mar 2016

@djdallmann

is this can be correct for csgo too ?

2016-03-26 17:32 GMT+00:00 djdallmann [email protected]:

I have been on a search to fix issues with cs 1.6 and quake3 (older games)
for the past year trying every combination of commands and one change made
the most significant improvement. SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE and disabling
CUDA cores ie set to None in NV control panel, however the cuda cores
change isn't need to feel the difference.

In other guides related to fixing cs 1.6 after updates it says only if you
have nvidia optimus issues should you apply this, yesterday I enabled this
for my nvidia GTX 560ti and it fixed mouse sensitivity/gameplay in both cs
1.6 and quake3. The feeling and results were night and day, it feels very
close to how it used to, pre 2013.

''without'' SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE my mouse sensitivity is very
inconsistent. Anyone with NVIDIA should enable this regardless if you have
optimus or not.

Download nvidia inspector then find "Half Life" from the drop down menu,
and then scroll down to "enable application optimus option" and set it to
"SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE" and click apply settings.

Other settings i'm using in cs 1.6:
fps_max 99
m_rawinput 0
-nofbo -noforcemparms -noforcemaccel
cl_updaterate 100
cl_cmdrate 103
rate 100000
snd_noextraupdate "0"
cl_mousegrab "0"
gl_vsync 0
gl_ansio 0
m_customaccel "0"
m_customaccel_exponent "1"
m_customaccel_max "0"
m_customaccel_scale "0"

Would love if someone could try this who hasn't tried the
SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE on their nvidia card.

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imYEA on 26 Mar 2016

nvm, it's already enabled for me years ago, no changes :'(

2016-03-26 19:00 GMT+00:00 Abdeljalil Filali [email protected]:

@djdallmann

is this can be correct for csgo too ?

2016-03-26 17:32 GMT+00:00 djdallmann [email protected]:

I have been on a search to fix issues with cs 1.6 and quake3 (older
games) for the past year trying every combination of commands and one
change made the most significant improvement. SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE
and disabling CUDA cores ie set to None in NV control panel, however the
cuda cores change isn't need to feel the difference.

In other guides related to fixing cs 1.6 after updates it says only if
you have nvidia optimus issues should you apply this, yesterday I enabled
this for my nvidia GTX 560ti and it fixed mouse sensitivity/gameplay in
both cs 1.6 and quake3. The feeling and results were night and day, it
feels very close to how it used to, pre 2013.

''without'' SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE my mouse sensitivity is very
inconsistent. Anyone with NVIDIA should enable this regardless if you have
optimus or not.

Download nvidia inspector then find "Half Life" from the drop down menu,
and then scroll down to "enable application optimus option" and set it to
"SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE" and click apply settings.

Other settings i'm using in cs 1.6:
fps_max 99
m_rawinput 0
-nofbo -noforcemparms -noforcemaccel
cl_updaterate 100
cl_cmdrate 103
rate 100000
snd_noextraupdate "0"
cl_mousegrab "0"
gl_vsync 0
gl_ansio 0
m_customaccel "0"
m_customaccel_exponent "1"
m_customaccel_max "0"
m_customaccel_scale "0"

Would love if someone could try this who hasn't tried the
SHIM_RENDERING_MODE_ENABLE on their nvidia card.

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imYEA on 26 Mar 2016

I've found a workaround for the problem of inconsistent mouse sensitivity. I belive this can be related to the solution to our "only first time" problem too.
Sensitivity is good only if "fresh" USB-port is used for a mouse. Reboot and even replug in the same port introduce the bug. Use the next not used before USB-port when bug appears.
Tested for a month on my winxp_sp2+audigy2 old pc config, including several fresh windows re-installations. So it seems that there is a windows related bug.
Please test this behavior and help me to find a fix for this.

HeadshotDeluxe on 26 Mar 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe you can probably recreate the behavior you are describing by doing the following:
open cmd.exe as admin
type 'set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1', press enter
type 'start devmgmt.msc',press enter
in view select 'Show hidden devices'
find the mouse that is installed aswell as those in a light grey color,
right click uninstall
plug your mouse back in

djdallmann on 27 Mar 2016

@djdallmann Thanks, man!
Unfortunately it didn't work out. Good sensitivity is only for never used port.

HeadshotDeluxe on 31 Mar 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe
Also guess that it's a matter of negative acceleration than hardware issues and have the same feeling of you. What I notice is that if I reboot my computer without a mouse and plug it later when the game is running then it's latency appears to be WAY BETTER. Most of pro's on lan changes mouse on the fly so that could explain why they play much better on lan then on twitch.

andrelip on 1 Apr 2016

can someone try this, mouse sensitivity feeling is different. :)

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/1682

djdallmann on 2 Apr 2016

I'm finally know the reason of my problem now.. Like @nidzakv said "Steam generate a lot of RTP packets" so now im tryed to play after pc start and cs allmost perfectly smooth, and then it start getting shitty, so i just restart steam and cs running fine.... hm.. im tryed to somehow block steam traffic, but i cant. And also when i freeze steam procces spray and gameplay in cs are good, but just for 20 or so seconds bcz cs need running steam client.... If someone know how to fix this, i will be appreciated..

maloivanenko on 5 Apr 2016

Install prio, and set all steam proceses to low, except hl.exe, which should be set as highest.

I dont think that the usb switcing fixes anything..

Btw, maybe try this, helped my a lot for perfect tracking hardware acceleration removal.
Dl hidusb.zip
Right click on hidusb.sys instal
Run setup
Uncheck mouses only
Set all devices to 1000hz,
Click install
Click restart.
I have logi c170 web cam, mionix avior 7000, and casual kb conected via usb..

And i deleted mouse sofrtware before first step. And rebot.

This helped a lot for mose sens consistancy because all usb ports are at 1ms..
Test it, give a feedback..

nidzakv on 5 Apr 2016

Sorry all, git was not responding for 2 hours, i dont know what happened.

nidzakv on 5 Apr 2016

hi guys!
i think you may be on to something in regard to the "rtp packet stuff"! i did some test a while ago and found out that when i would block certain connections of the steam client that my games would run better, but i couldnt play online.

schoof on 5 Apr 2016

@schoof
It's normal, since rtp (real time protocol) is the protocol which maintains
the session up between your station and the server (game packets and voice
...)
Le 5 avr. 2016 12:07, "schoof" [email protected] a écrit :

hi guys!
i think you may be on to something in regard to the "rtp packet stuff"! i
did some test a while ago and found out that when i would block certain
connections of the steam client that my games would run better, but i
couldnt play online.

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imYEA on 5 Apr 2016

@schoof so how did u block certain connections? with firewall?

maloivanenko on 5 Apr 2016

@prAdsky
yeah i blocked certain ports and protocols via windows firewall!

schoof on 5 Apr 2016

@scoof
im just tried it... with comodo firewall.. i blocked steamwebhelper and some of steam connections, let ON just one of them, because of "connection lost". first mix map was brilliant smooth, no "connection loss" but then after changelevel cs somehow was unsmooth at all.. i give up

maloivanenko on 5 Apr 2016

@prAdsky what for firewall tool do you used? i will try this too

w4Ld1 on 5 Apr 2016

@w4Ld1 Comodo Firewall. But too much stupid adv.. damn.. After 3 times alltabing from my gaming to stupid web Comodo sites.... enough. i deleted it.
Anyway its not finally fixed my probs..

maloivanenko on 6 Apr 2016

I just installed old good non steam original cs 1.6 and join the server with great settings.. First 5 min of game was awesome, and then, u know what happen then :dash: laaaaags... So now im really wondering, what couse that. Win7? Internet? Im allways playing with this connection, 3 years ago gameplay was perfect even i got in those times 256 kbit/s/// Exectly the same connection, Adsl. Now its even DHCP not pppoe....

maloivanenko on 6 Apr 2016

the one and only idea that I have done it myself is that the new hardware is responsible for all the problems of CS
years ago when I played CS assiduously, I had a Pentium 4 with a SB Live! and an nVidia Riva TnT - Windows XP .. I played as a god

It would take someone with an old PC for testing .. but I'm sure of this because I tried to play on an old laptop running Windows XP and the game will be very good, in fact I could jump accurately and above all the shots were going on target EVER!
But the problem is I have too few fps because of the integrated graphics card that sucks.

All CS problems are related to frames per second, which on new PCs are processed too quickly with frequently animations skips, can easily see trying to shoot repeatedly with Deagle on a wall, often not all shots are displayed on the animation of the gun

The degradation of the gameplay that we have after the change of a parameter do not understand what the cause, but the only idea I have done is that it's the fault of the processor like INSTRUCTIONS SSE2/3/4 etc .. or just the way the system is designed modern processors, who are trying to ANTICIPATE the calculations based on what the user repeats often.
There is no other explanation I believe
CS is a little more analog and digital less of other games and this is a problem for modern CPUs, not otherwise explains why playing with the priorities of the processes in Windows the game was more smooth .. even if it often does not last long

remember that as I wrote some time ago
I've tried playing CS from LINUX - NOT with Wine but with Steam Linux
I have the same Windows problems (unsmooth game) .. nothing changes because the PC is still the same

skyscr3am on 6 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am
Im still using XP in one of my old pcs... and the problem is always there.
.. few rare moments when i could've a good game play without any sort of
delay or unsmooth shots etc... especially after a fresh install of the OS

My old pc specs : cpu dual core AMD athlon 6000+ ×64 3.0 gh
nvidia 9800 gt
Le 6 avr. 2016 14:23, "skyscr3am" [email protected] a écrit :

the one and only idea that I have done it myself is that the new hardware
is responsible for all the problems of CS
years ago when I played CS assiduously, I had a Pentium 4 with a SB Live!
and an nVidia Riva TnT - Windows XP .. I played as a god

It would take someone with an old PC for testing .. but I'm sure of this
because I tried to play on an old laptop running Windows XP and the game
will be very good, in fact I could jump accurately and above all the shots
were going on target EVER!
But the problem is I have too few fps because of the integrated graphics
card that sucks.

All CS problems are related to frames per second, which on new PCs are
processed too quickly with frequently animations skips, can easily see
trying to shoot repeatedly with Deagle on a wall, often not all shots are
displayed on the animation of the gun

The degradation of the gameplay that we have after the change of a
parameter do not understand what the cause, but the only idea I have done
is that it's the fault of the processor like INSTRUCTIONS SSE2/3/4 etc ..
or just the way the system is designed modern processors, who are trying to
ANTICIPATE the calculations based on what the user repeats often.
There is no other explanation I believe
CS is a little more analog and digital less of other games and this is a
problem for modern CPUs, not otherwise explains why playing with the
priorities of the processes in Windows the game was more smooth .. even if
it often does not last long

remember that as I wrote some time ago
I've tried playing CS from LINUX - NOT with Wine but with Steam Linux
I have the same Windows problems (unsmooth game) .. nothing changes
because the PC is still the same

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imYEA on 6 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am you mean you experiencing framedrops on Linux?

ViBE-HU on 6 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am @w4Ld1 guys... i think i got a solution... I should say "beta test" solution :D
But i believe it will work 4ever.. Soooo... I change net_graph to 2, and look at the graph... Hm what we can see here.. Im sure u guys play a lot so u should know how to read that graph correctly..
I just show you a two screens, on same server, on same map, on same settings except 1 little thing..
First one with fps_max 101, which is all suggest. But second one with fps_max 93 (for different servers i found this setting different), and u can see the difference !!1 Look at that smooth line, huh? And ping is standing still, like a rock.. before it changing very fast.. Even the bottom line sooo much perfect..

And u know what, i feel cs right. So i can just guessing what is this.. I dont know how graphic frames can affect internet one.. My monitor is 75 Hz, fps_max 75 is so slooow, and mouse feel like 50kg.. And it useless, bcz fps_max bellow 90 cause stuttering net_graph lines again...

So after u open cs and join the server type net_graph3 and keep changing fps_max from 101 and below untill green and bottom lines runs smoothly..

fps 101 http://radikal.ru/fp/16394b38ec6848e891a38bad452c2a4c
fps 93 http://radikal.ru/fp/b0ea65afece144ac84af4d7ef6961437

maloivanenko on 6 Apr 2016

You can not have lagless cs with 37ms..

nidzakv on 7 Apr 2016

@imYEA strange thing.. with my old laptop i have a decent gameplay without lag, because i can utilize _snd_mixahead 0.01 without sound lag (we had this on vista / 7 / 8 / 10 because different audio management) test this

@ViBENo1 with linux i have framedrops but anyways the gameplay isn't smooth

@prAdsky old old old thing of this fps .. I said and I repeat that depends in part on their own
is a life that I change the fps from server to server with the result that after changing many times the settings have no effect more..
CS after any changes makes gameplay smooth before return to Lagging

last night I changed the cs sounds with others in HD downloaded from the internet and the game was perfect, jumps shots precise movements.. Solution? NO!!
After two hours he returned to Lagging and saw that he had updated a file of steam in "appcache" folder .. the appinfo file, date and time corresponding to my exit from the game
then I put it in read-only, but before I deleted its content ..
after half an hour Steam generated many other appinfo files with extension .tmp
Then I put in read-only whole appcache folder and files are no longer appeared yet.
But the game did not come back more smoothly as before
I'll make other tests..
I'm not sure in any case that the cause is Steam, the problems are the same with non-steam version, even the gameplay is even worse

I believe at this point that any changes to the CS file involves a temporary improvement, but when the change is large (many audio files to be updated in my case) it takes more time to make the game crap

There is a kind of game caching somewhere and if it is not physically on HDD then it must be done in ram, or somewhere else .. but I can not explain where
on the Internet?
Or RPT packets caching? ISP caching?

skyscr3am on 7 Apr 2016

@nidzakv It was before.. even with 50 ms my shots was perfect 4 years ago.. and something happened..

@skyscr3am Oh yea. All right, anyway, so tell me then, why only fpsmax changes lines in netgraphs to deadman's pulse? Not any tcp/ip settings. Not game settings except this one. I tryed to set all the different changes. Arp cache(and clear it with _netsh interface ip delete arpcache_), DNS things..
And, by the way, problem is not in steam, u are right. I tryed non-steam original game, and after a few time its getting laggy.. I told allready, 4 years ago all was super smooth.. And what changed? Same pc, same internet (even better with some new hardware on ISP)...isp/// hm.. Tell me man, how long do u have this problemo with cs? And may be we even talk about different probs.. I sholud make a vid. And trust me, we can see lags very clear.

maloivanenko on 7 Apr 2016

@prAdsky anyway if u want to be ok on most server u'll set fps_max 85
in 70% of cases is a right setting
But repeat the problem not are in there because i can play smooth when i change a parameter with same fps_max 100 on same server and same conditions.. before all got crap
And when u try different fps_max setting CS "memorize" all these setting and then no longer work well
..usual problem
I have a 144hz monitor with 1ms response time i've tested all refresh rates and all fps_max possibilities also fps_max 144, (at moment i use 100hz and fps_max 99.4)
another thing to consider is scaling option of your vga
I play CS from 14 years and I have made many many many tests, now I know by heart all the parameters of hl engine :)

skyscr3am on 7 Apr 2016

You are just wasting your time dudes.. All lags are caused by bad UDP traffic from your ISP..

nidzakv on 7 Apr 2016

@nidzakv tell me then, how can i affect bad UDP traffic from my ISP by changing fpx_max or other change in cs??!

maloivanenko on 7 Apr 2016

I gave up long time a go, and i have tested everything..
What ever you do, it will always go back to lag. As i said, i played od min 500pc-es on LAN, never had any lag.. But online... There are some tweaks for pc/cs that can force cs and pc to run super ultra fast, and can make things a bit better.. But just a bit.

So think, lag is only online, ofc bad internet is the cause, and when i say bad internet i mean a lot of things.

nidzakv on 7 Apr 2016

I've followed this since the beginning (steam forums and here)and it seems
like .. ppl are talking about different things and continue suggesting
solutions without knowing if we all have the same problems
I'll introduce mines :

FPS is ok, netconde is OK and the problem is that the game feels slow and
laggy, everything is hard to to ( jumping shooting aiming ) and make the
sensitivity like unstable ... for;more details here's a new thread in csgo
subreddit posted by a pro player "J0hnny" ex player of mousesports where he
describe the same thing
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/49zguk/cs_feels_like_50fps_60hz_stuttery_laggy_mouse/
Le 7 avr. 2016 09:21, "nidzakv" [email protected] a écrit :

I gave up long time a go, and i have tested everything..
What ever you do, it will always go back to lag. As i said, i played od
min 500pc-es on LAN, never had any lag.. But online... There are some
tweaks for pc/cs that can force cs and pc to run super ultra fast, and can
make things a bit better.. But just a bit.

So think, lag is only online, ofc bad internet is the cause, and when i
say bad internet i mean a lot of things.

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imYEA on 7 Apr 2016

@imYEA
i have the same problem like you! and once again: the problem is not only cs related its steam client related! when i play games without steam they run fine, for example steam version of bc2 runs like shit and the origin version runs perfectly normal!

schoof on 7 Apr 2016

@schoof
In that case, i'm not sure if we can tweak some steam things to avoid this
... otherwise, this problem is gonna be forever here. I just hope to get a
gameplay like "shroud" for example. .. he plays csgo without any problem,
even, i assume, he has this problem with steam like everyone. It doesn't
seem to affect his game like the most of us here ... just HOW. That's why
im confused
Le 7 avr. 2016 12:23, "schoof" [email protected] a écrit :

@imYEA https://github.com/imYEA
i have the same problem like you! and once again: the problem is not only
cs related its steam client related! when i play games without steam they
run fine, for example steam version of bc2 runs like shit and the origin
version runs perfectly normal!

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imYEA on 7 Apr 2016

@imYEA
maybe its steam account related, some accounts get bad data (for example game verification files) sent to them and thats why the gameplay is so bad...

schoof on 7 Apr 2016

@schoof as for me, non-steam cs same lag

maloivanenko on 8 Apr 2016

@prAdsky
then we got 2 different problems i guess.

schoof on 8 Apr 2016

@SandorClegane11 same. its like stuttering when i try to kill someone, but sometimes if its only me shooting i can somehow control spray, but if enemy shoots me in the same time as me - hell nooo.. my crosshair goes higher, but i trully know, that its not suppose to be like that. when u got hit, yes, its slows you, but it should be not like u allready ran behind the wall and u got headshoted by USP or Glock........
And ye, after i join the server, and each round i goes fror respawn i firing to the wall to understand situation with bullet registration... when its shitty - all gameplay is shitty.. i start play like half-year exp newbie, but i allready played cs more than 10 years/...

maloivanenko on 11 Apr 2016

@prAdsky and @SandorClegane11
the first thing to rule out any "external" parameter to true to CS problem
It should set these commands as follows:
cl_nosmooth "1"
cl_vsmoothing "0"
cl_smoothtime "0"

if u want to know the function of These commands refer to this:
http://txdv.github.io/cstrike-cvarlist/

another important thing use ex_interp "0"

other MOST important thing
set process hl.exe to cpu0 only and real-time priority

from this base u can test or improve game

skyscr3am on 11 Apr 2016

@SandorClegane11 let's say i have the same issues like you (schoof
aswell), i think you mean the ROF ( rate of fire) every gun spray feels
kinda slow and laggy , and everything feels delayed , it's something that
we can't show by recording a demo, unfortunately we're describing things
since 2009 ( 7 years) no permanent fix yet, feels like we'll continue
suffering until we'll move on
btw i'm playing CSGO only now, same problems as 1.6, my next step is to buy
a new computer, that's all i can say/do right now

2016-04-11 10:31 GMT+00:00 skyscr3am [email protected]:

@prAdsky https://github.com/prAdsky and @SandorClegane11
https://github.com/SandorClegane11
the first thing to rule out any "external" parameter to true to CS problem
It should set these commands as follows:
cl_nosmooth "1"
cl_vsmoothing "0"
cl_smoothtime "0"

if u want to know the function of These commands refer to this:
http://txdv.github.io/cstrike-cvarlist/

another important thing use ex_interp "0"

other MOST important thing
set process hl.exe to cpu0 only and real-time priority

from this base u can test or improve game

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imYEA on 11 Apr 2016

@imYEA u have xp?
what version of directX u use? 9.0?
u can downgrade to 8 or 7?
make this test plz.. and tell to us if smoething is different or none

skyscr3am on 11 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am i've tested this back in the days, don't know if it's gonna help
for csgo, since csgo use it's own directX folder i guess

2016-04-11 13:59 GMT+00:00 skyscr3am [email protected]:

@imYEA https://github.com/imYEA u have xp?
what version of directX u use? 9.0?
u can downgrade to 8 or 7?
make this test plz.. and tell to us if smoething is different or none

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imYEA on 11 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am haha.. i tryed those command 2198329183 times.. i read about all console commands, all startup parametrs. Doesnt work at all.
Allright u said exinterp. Okay, i changing it when i staring get shitty unsmooth gameplay to slightly improve my chance to kill someone.. 0.01-0.011 than to another side 0.009.. without avail

maloivanenko on 11 Apr 2016

This vid exactly describe my problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJnH8S_lKU

maloivanenko on 11 Apr 2016

Pretty sure the majority of consistency issues are related to network settings not to mention everyone in here probably has a different setup e.g. CPU, GPU, services, mouse, installed programs, types of disk (HDD/SSD), network interfaces and drivers. In order for everyone to test properly there needs to be a default or baseline computer build for Operating System (OS), OS configuration and drivers that are used between everyone and then start testing different things from there. All these things are variables but if setup similarly should produce a similar experience.

I'd be willing to help out with this, we can present an initial optimal configuration set using facts and/or theories of how it affects performance or consistency of the game and operating system. Then most likely as we go we can prove or disprove these settings through testing to come to an ideal configuration for gaming, games that use TCP and UDP protocols etc. There will also need to be a methodology to the testing to ensure it isn't biased or placebo.

djdallmann on 12 Apr 2016

@prAdsky if your problem is like in the vid you have a recoil near to perfect, this is only a bullet registry problem, i think different problem of this topic
@djdallmann we have smoothness problem, this isn't a network problem, but sure a thread management problem (i support this theory for good reasons)
i have this problem (slow gameplay) from 6-7 years randomly and from last 2-3 years always
i have changed all pc's components, SO, pheripherals.. etc.. nothing is changed
HDD or SSD it is irrelevant, only hardware can cause a problem i think is the CPU (but it is only a hypothesis)
Stop to talk about PLACEBO.. we are not a bunch of idiots in here

skyscr3am on 12 Apr 2016

personally I have reached a turning point with the problem

I'm playing for more than five days with a CS very fast and above all with good recoil and accurate shots ..
and all this I got it thanks to a sound through DirectSound wrapper that uses OpenAL called "Creative Alchemy"
Messing with his ini files I found a setting that minimizes the size of the audio buffer, and its latency.
Result? audio crackles but much improved gameplay .. i have bad recoil/movements only when audio produce crackles
Last night because then I exaggerated with some parameters I was able to crash the audio buffer, so some sounds while playing went continuous loop (like tatatatatatatatatatatatatata).. well I was still able to play despite the annoying background noise, the thing I really surprised was the game response !!
The game had become extremely smooth !!! and fast like a rocket!! perfect recoil, perfect movements, perfect all !!! but not the audio hehehe
I tried to restore the sound without leaving the game but there was no way, but the game remained smooth until i exit

It 'clear that it is not the system audio the real problem but something relative to it's threads, and especially the sound buffer (overflow?)
I also found to be closely related to fps_max, a sound that crackles can be improved by increasing the fps_max, consequently decreasing the fps will have a sound that crackles ..

Today I have reproduced the error, with the result of having again a perfect gameplay.
but sometimes it totally crash my pc

skyscr3am on 12 Apr 2016

👍1

skyscr3am can u elaborate on what did you do exactly to achieve it? I always knew it had something to do with audio. Would that as well work with csgo?

NOHLT7 on 12 Apr 2016

networksettingsoverview
I've been doing some network analysis between client and server settings and their effect on the game. I hope you enjoy.

One surprise may be that if you set your fps_max to 100 then your packets sent by client (cmdrate) drops to 50 but if set up to 99 then the client will try to send 99 updates a second (cmdrate). By default fps_max is set to 100 which significantly impacts the number of updates currently sent by clients (cmdrate). I have also tested this on a server with sv_maxupdaterate 80 and client commands drop to 50 aswell.

Many people have reported they experience a smoother experience with fps_max 100 in the latest versions of half-life (2013) but then also said they have less control of movement (which can be attributed to less updates from the client) so they end up using 99.

I have circled areas on the 'packets sent from client' where there was a slight drop or less frequent events sent.

If there are other scenarios you want me to test specifically let me know, otherwise I will post as I learn more about the client and server communications.

djdallmann on 13 Apr 2016

ratebytespersecond
The infamous rate command, rate defines how many bytes per seconds the server sends to the client. (limits the rate for incoming data). During my sessions the server never exceeded 15,000 bytes per second for all communications from the game server, also to note the server I played on had a sv_maxupdaterate of 80 and was located in New York the same as the previous result set.

Even further analysis of the packets size of incoming and outgoing data between client and server displayed the following:
98% of packets from the client had an average size ranging between of 74-84 bytes
99.98% of packets from the server had an average size of 106 bytes

With this information we can make some assumptions of what our optimal rate and updaterate settings should be. For example that we have an updaterate of 99, 99 * 106 (avg packet length) = 10,494 bytes, then we must take into account the other data that is transmitted to the client such as player decals, sprays and what ever else is shared between all other clients.

As displayed in my chart even with the overhead of the other player data and maxupdaterate 80 setting of the server the bytes per second never surpassed 15k bytes. In the end using a rate of 20,000 should suffice for any updaterate in the range of 80-99.

djdallmann on 13 Apr 2016

@NOHLT7
Tonight I'll try other settings, then I'll try to explain how to do ..
Surely the first thing to do is 1) hl.exe in realtime priority and on only one cpu (i use cpu4 is less workload of services)
obviously you need a Creative Sound Blaster card to use Alchemy
This is just a ploy to reduce the audio buffer, but long ago in some way i had also managed with Realtek (but for pure randomness) to have a similar gameplay, by changing some parameters of the multimedia class scheduler (tasks)
If it is possible to use the same system on CS: GO?
i think surely, apart from the fact that use the same positional audio Miles Sound System (check if present a dll Mss32.dll) I can make some tests with CS: GO as soon as I will reinstall it

The positive thing about these tests with CS 1.6 is that I am doing no more "temporary improvements feedback" but positive situation is settled
the problem is that I can not get a smooth gameplay and crystal-clear voice together
and when the sound become distorted my fps drop producing stutter lag
in each case compared to how it was before now is a miracle, being able to re-make strafe burst, burst strafe, accurately .. no longer able to hit me easily, zoom awp is fast, perfect bullet registry..
I've never been good at making bunny hoop but now seems possible, the feeling mouse-keyboard has changed everything is fast..
for example in pratice before I played like as a 120ms ping line
Now I play with my 35ms ping line

@djdallmann this is a old thing, i ever used values below 100, precisely the best option is 85fps for me or 99.3 (+ 0.5) result 98fps
same thing like rates, i don't use updaterates up to 80 precisely i use 75 and rate of 25000 because some server set this default value and i dont want to change this every time
Anyway rate of 6000 produce a better speed gameplay, high values produce heavy gameplay but help full auto sprays.. is a very old thing
Repeat nothing to do with the problem of topic, thx to try
the smoothness problem is present also in LAN!!

skyscr3am on 13 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am

im curious about CSGO, plz try it ASAP, and about what you did
before, ithink i can't do it myself, cause all i have is an integrated
soundcard ( in the chipset) i dunno if it's possible or me to modify things
like u did

imYEA on 13 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am Does nosound 1 fix all your problems?

djdallmann on 13 Apr 2016

@djdallmann no! with noaudio the gameplay is more smooth... but not at as with audio..
Why this? It is what I'm trying to discover but it's related to hl thread sure.. and probably to the load of cpu
I'm just writing here to share this information with you, to try to find a logical explanation
it seems (and I say "seem") which the workload on the CPU is high as the game returns smooth
At this point enters the game audio .. why? because the audio requires a lot of resources to be reproduced working hard on cpu

if for example we use on hl.exe process 2 or 4 cpu or all available, you will have an increasing latency equal to the value of the CPU used
I did 1000 tests for saying this and I am sure

same thing happens to change the priority of the process, you get a good smoothness with "High" and "idle" but only for small periods, Because depends on priority of all others processes (dinamically change by load)
With Realtime priority it will ensure a good precedence over all others, but this does not work if other processes take equal priority (like system processes)

i use for this "System Explorer" Because is less invasive than Process Lasso (with Process Lasso I had several other problems on PCs that have even affected the navigation via browser)

Remains a big question alone, Why CS 1.6 performs bad even under Linux?
If only "by changing" something in the system can produce a smooth gameplay maybe then I'm right when I say that something is wrong in modern cpu or motherboards

I have all the energy saving controls turned off (parking cpu, cpu c-states from bios, speedstep etc ..) but something probably we are not allowed to disable
and perhaps on particular PC creates the problem (Defective cpu?)
I do not think the problem would be resolved by changing pc's components .. without knowing beforehand what action
surely those who have a vga nVidia from the series 500 onwards have some disadvantaged

this is interesting if u want:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms685100(v=vs.85).aspx

and this is a suggestion by user to try this setting in bios CPU phase control (i dont have this option in my bios):
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781721&page=199

skyscr3am on 13 Apr 2016

this is interesting:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/it-it/library/windows/hardware/mt298187(v=vs.85).aspx

skyscr3am on 13 Apr 2016

with csgo not so easy tried u cant simply play it on 1 core. fps drops massively . tried to play with 2 cores active and realtime was smooth but fps drops still fucks it up :/ with 3 cores all smoothness is gone. looks like its impossible to get everything work well ;///

NOHLT7 on 13 Apr 2016

@NOHLT7 yes i know, the cpu option is only valid for hl1 engine and cs 1.6 because this game isnt'programmed for multithread

CS:GO is multithread but like other games suffer for lag, probably only way is 2 cpu with details ultra low
try this: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3204540

skyscr3am on 13 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am we should be able to measure different aspects of computer performance when it feels great vs unsmooth. DPC latency, CPU load/usage, memory usage, network load and so on.

However to properly do these tests the systems doing these tests should be identical or at least near identical in terms of how they are installed, configured and optimized. We should also avoid changing multiple settings at a time during the test and then saying it helped but not actually knowing which setting helped or didn't help.

Also from that MS article:
_Use HIGH_PRIORITY_CLASS with care. If a thread runs at the highest priority level for extended periods, other threads in the system will not get processor time. If several threads are set at high priority at the same time, the threads lose their effectiveness. ... The important point is that a high-priority thread should execute for a brief time, and only when it has time-critical work to perform._

_You should almost never use REALTIME_PRIORITY_CLASS, because this interrupts system threads that manage mouse input, keyboard input, and background disk flushing. This class can be appropriate for applications that "talk" directly to hardware or that perform brief tasks that should have limited interruptions._

djdallmann on 13 Apr 2016

clientoptimizationupdaterate
As seen in other threads you can optimize your client by using the net_graph (1,2,3), on the far right is a lan connection and an ideal net_graph representation of client and server sync.

I can achieve similar sync for server updates (green bar) by setting my fps_max to 80 when playing online servers. Setting fps_max below or above 80 causes the line to show variations instead of being solid regardless of client updaterate, cmdrate, rate settings.

I'm currently uncertain of the significance of fps_max 80 and would like others to see if they have the same outcome.

djdallmann on 13 Apr 2016

I think there are no tools to measure the smoothness level. I strongly believe that it's something related to a broken kernel structure, caused by a driver, probably audio driver.
I've seen a lot of notebook and dell desktop working properly. These manufactures don't install each driver independently, they use a program that install all the drivers together with windows. And they have a correct order to do (first chipset, video, lan... and the last one is audio).

Once the kernel is fucked up there is no turning back. You have to format

xxxMarioxxx on 13 Apr 2016

i have installed CS:GO and i'm started some tests..
first thing on CS:GO my problem is different tha CS 1.6, on CS:GO i have micro stuttering when i'm shoot everyone (BOTS)
The example is clear, i can manage strafe shoot, strafe shoot on wall precisely.. when i shoot a BOT i miss it totally!!!
If i use m_rawinpu 0 my mouse is impossible to control, when i'm moving to enemy it literally JUMP!
With m_rawinput the movements are smooth but i miss target like m_rawinput 0, only when i'm cap fps_max to my monitor refresh (120 or 144) the aim got OK, but it lasts a few minutes .. then i back to not hit anymore
No process priority o cpu assignement help in this case, only Alchemy It improves the situation a little, but really very little
I Play at 1366x768 ultra low detail all disabled in menu video, 128 128 cmd up 128000rate the game is installed on SSD, i played only offline with bots and in pratice mode (no fire from bots)
i tried some setting nothing helped.. only temporary fix
i'll make other tests

skyscr3am on 14 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am you seem to be new to csgo

Don't play vs bots cause it's gonna heart your cpu a lot ( not like the
1,6)
Keep using m_rawinput enabled and use these commands

Cl_forcepreload 1
Cl_interp_ratio 1 ( not 2)

Try this online and give a feedback
Le 14 avr. 2016 07:25, "skyscr3am" [email protected] a écrit :

i have installed CS:GO and i'm started some tests..
first thing on CS:GO my problem is different tha CS 1.6, on CS:GO i have
micro stuttering when i'm shoot everyone (BOTS)
The example is clear, i can manage strafe shoot, strafe shoot on wall
precisely.. when i shoot a BOT i miss it totally!!!
If i use m_rawinpu 0 my mouse is impossible to control, when i'm moving to
enemy it literally JUMP!
With m_rawinput the movements are smooth but i miss target like m_rawinput
0, only when i'm cap fps_max to my monitor refresh (120 or 144) the aim got
OK, but it lasts a few minutes .. then i back to not hit anymore
No process priority o cpu assignement help in this case, only Alchemy It
improves the situation a little, but really very little
I Play at 1366x768 ultra low detail all disabled in menu video, 128 128
cmd up 128000rate the game is installed on SSD, i played only offline with
bots and in pratice mode (no fire from bots)
i tried some setting nothing helped.. only temporary fix
i'll make other tests

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imYEA on 14 Apr 2016

@imyea i use already this settings, and yes i'm pretty new on CS:GO in some point of view
i have this game from launch but only some hours of play, i really hate this game
Totally different from original CS, CS:GO is for Call of duty generation

Anyway i can't hit simply someone online.. i encounter frequently lag and movements are very bad

Remains the fact of BOTS in offline mode, Why i cant hit they?
in CS:GO the recoil system is totally wrong for me

skyscr3am on 14 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am

the recoil isn't wrong, it's just different and hard one compared to both
1.6 and Source, i know what you feel, i had the same feeling when i've
played the game the 1st time back in 2012, it felt weird, i don't think
that ur tests about CSGO are going to help here since you're not used to it
yet

i think you should try to fix 1.6 gameplay since it's the game you play so
often, and it may help to fix CSGO too, if the problem that we have is
affecting both games

2016-04-14 13:22 GMT+00:00 skyscr3am [email protected]:

@imyea https://github.com/imyea i use already this settings, and yes
i'm pretty new on CS:GO in some point of view
i have this game from launch but only some hours of play, i really hate
this game
Totally different from original CS, CS:GO is for Call of duty generation

Anyway i can't hit simply someone online.. i encounter frequently lag and
movements are very bad

Remains the fact of BOTS in offline mode, Why i cant hit they?
in CS:GO the recoil system is totally wrong for me

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imYEA on 14 Apr 2016

few days ago my game was fixed + cs:go too. i played 3-4 hours and dont restart my pc after gaming session steam still running -> 4-6 hours later both games runs horrorble again. i dont changed anything on my system -> its second time when my game was fixed but i dont know why.

today -> after 1 minute gameplay on 1.6 and cs:go gameplay delayed again with same issues (movement delayed, animation skipping when someone hitting me, recoil bug registry, spray slower, jump bunnyhopp etc delayed)

i know the diffrend of cs 1.6 fixed and cs:go (1.6 over 3000hrs + cs:go 1000hrs)
my conclusion -> I have to uninstall Steam forever

sorry for my bad english skills

w4Ld1 on 14 Apr 2016

@w4Ld1

this randomness need a high level of troubleshooting, dunno if there's
someone strong enough to figure out what's the issue

2016-04-14 14:40 GMT+00:00 w4Ld1 [email protected]:

few days ago my game was fixed + cs:go too. i played 3-4 hours and dont
restart my pc after gaming session steam still running -> 4-6 hours later
both games runs horrorble again. i dont changed anything on my system ->
its second time when my game was fixed but i dont know why.

today -> after 1 minute gameplay on 1.6 and cs:go gameplay delayed again
with same issues (movement delayed, animation skipping when someone hitting
me, recoil bug registry, spray slower, jump bunnyhopp etc delayed)

i know the diffrend of cs 1.6 fixed and cs:go (1.6 over 3000hrs + cs:go
1000hrs)
my conclusion -> I have to uninstall Steam forever

sorry for my bad english skills

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imYEA on 14 Apr 2016

@ W4Ld1 the only logical explanation is because Windows constantly changing priorities to threads
and if you set the highest priority of some processes (such as the update of a program that takes place when the PC is idle or underused) Windows will lower obviously precedence of other processes .. is complicated, but it is likely that the fact of the matter is all there.

Not enough then set a high priority to CS GO but also that there are no other processes with the same temporary priority

The core of the whole problem is always the processor and its use, then I hope that those who speak of problems have at least the core parking disabled by setting the cpu at 100% and all the c-state disabled

Just because the problem occurred after a system idle process
apparently the processor has not been back to 100%, or as written above other applications were having precedence

skyscr3am on 14 Apr 2016

@w4Ld1 exactly my problem since the very beggining of csgo. It just annoys me on faceit somegames im playing tied next to master league players, the next games im getting owned by silvers its insane how inconsistent and mosltly bad this game is. Tried absolutely everything to get it fixed . nothing helped. :( I hope that maybe when valve will put the game into source 2 it will eradicate this problem. Ive been fighting it i think more more than 6 years since 1.6 at 2009... Its insanely frustrating. I know when my game works im so fucking able to compete at really high level, and than this bullshit just stops all the abilities.

NOHLT7 on 14 Apr 2016

@NOHLT7
if you're waiting for valve to fix things, GL waiting forever, just saying
,, cause 1.6 is based on the gold engine, CSGO on the source engine, 2
different engines and we still have the same shit, i don't think that the
source 2.0 gonna fix anything

2016-04-14 19:47 GMT+00:00 NOHLT7 [email protected]:

@w4Ld1 https://github.com/w4Ld1 exactly my problem since the very
beggining of csgo. It just annoys me on faceit somegames im playing tied
next to master league players, the next games im getting owned by silvers
its insane how inconsistent and mosltly bad this game is. Tried absolutely
everything to get it fixed . nothing helped. :( I hope that maybe when
valve will put the game into source 2 it will eradicate this problem. Ive
been fighting it i think more more than 6 years since 1.6 at 2009... Its
insanely frustrating. I know when my game works im so fucking able to
compete at really high level, and than this bullshit just stops all the
abilities.

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imYEA on 14 Apr 2016

@NOHLT7

If you think this is a CS problem alone you are wasting your time. The lack of smoothness affects all the aplications, including music/video and windows. So this is not a game problem, but a system performance problem. And i believe this is a windows/driver issue because most branded computers and notebooks run smoothly.

xxxMarioxxx on 15 Apr 2016

you can try a thing on your PCs?

I suppose that all of you have the front panel on your CASE with USB outputs and the headphone jack and microphone, is that right?

in this case you can tell me if you experience buzzing by connecting headphones?
especially when you move the mouse or when the hard disk is working
if this is your case then you have this problem (is not my case because i use rear jack dedicated for headphones of my SB X-Fi but with Realtek i experiencing this):
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/article-fix-front-panel-audio-emi-noise.187276/

you might try instead to cut the tracks to completely remove the front panel from the motherboard (remove both USB and audio cable hd)

Is there any person who claims to have solved the smoothness problem by dicconnecting and connecting headphones to the front panel, and the logical explanation is that the ground has something to do with all this

at this point we have to check well if our PCs are assembled correctly and properly mean by the grounding points corrected with no disturbance or intrusion of outside power

likely that the problem is all here

you could try to remove the motherboard from the case and connect all the outside by reducing most USB devices connected

it is also possible that just the buzzing and the fact of sharing the ground with USB and headphone jack can bring in some circumstances to improve the smoothness of the system, probably in some way by downloading the current on some ways, because i not said is a negative thing
unfortunately I do not have the knowledge necessary to explain the problem in depth

skyscr3am on 15 Apr 2016

@xxxMarioxxx
You are very right.

Something is wrong with windows setup video driver autoconfiguration. And I've accidentally found the way how to install it right (after hundrets of iterations tho' tbh).
Most likely it will fix all the problems. It actually fix mouse behavior and smoothness. Difference is huge. You can feel it right at desktop. All previous fixes (sound, usb etc.) had a minor effect. Guys, you should stop all your tests and try this first.
To this moment I have tested (and re-tested several times) the fix on two different PCs (old and new hardware components). My pc is old: nforce4 mb, dual-core athlon fx-60, radeon x800GTO, audigy2. I'm testing only 32-bit WinXP SP2.
The main idea is that you have to achieve two things. Firstly, you have to install video driver before autoreboot in the end of installation process; and secondly, you have to avoid applying initial settings by the first run wizard (only relevant for winXP). Steps to perform:

Start a fresh install (set disk, format, copying files, reboot);
During installation process (recommend to wait and setup languages, cd-key, admin pw etc. first) run command line with pressing Shift+F10;
Run task manager (taskmgr);
With browsing via dropdown menu (File -> New task -> Browse) open the driver folder and run video driver setup (right click menu -> Open);
Close all windows, do not reboot after it finishes, continue windows installation (network etc);
After autoreboot wait for the wizard started. And then just reset your PC.
Wait till windows started, login as Administrator, install other drivers (reboot if needed), start the game, say wow.

I had problems with drivers for newer (~2007 lol) radeon cards (HD ), shitty catalyst cc refused to install due dotnet or something. So you need Nvidia or old radeon (X) - install driver only + ControlPanel.

You can try to apply this method to Win7\10\64-bit installation. Do not remember if it's the same process there. I plan to try it some of these days.

HeadshotDeluxe on 16 Apr 2016

from Win vista to 10 the system is totally changed

DWM, no HAL, MCSS.. ecc..

Windows XP is a world apart, the pro is there to say (and I'm sure) that if you want to play cs 1.6 the ideal platform is a old PC with Win XP
I have only had problems with Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10

so the nose that described by you seem an IRQ problem solved with the installation of video driver on that occasion
It is not a problem for all, but it can also be, I use MSI mode for all of my components

skyscr3am on 16 Apr 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe too bad you dont play csgo , you should try if something like that works on the newer version of cs. Anyway, nice seeing you solved this problem if i had this info 2 years ago id be happy enough;))))) but its as skyscr3am said probably only windows XP fix. And I am still pretty doubtful that the smoothness will remain for you, as it usually disappears within time ;/

NOHLT7 on 16 Apr 2016

@NOHLT7 newer does not mean better ;)
Yep I'll try to get the same for new windows. If succeed, probably I will get a new pc and show kids ze skillz hehe ^) I do not like fatgabe and csgo tho. I will choose something better. Still 1.6 is alive enough in Russia.

I'm pretty sure that this fix is stable. I had the very same feelings and sensitivity values back in the days. No doubt, try it. If u had it, it's a good chance to remember yourself.

HeadshotDeluxe on 16 Apr 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe hahaha man you just have to give it a try for csgo, i was all against it as well . I played 1.6 for like 5k hours so i know how you feel towards csgo :D

Anyway, unfortunately ive a pretty new pc so these fixes cant be applied here on Windows 10 unless there is some sort of alternative hidden out there but trust me i spent loads of hours trying to fix this shit and it never worked for more than couple of hours ...

NOHLT7 on 16 Apr 2016

if any of you boys play CSGO here , add me id: khalilcrpn

2016-04-16 11:01 GMT+00:00 NOHLT7 [email protected]:

@HeadshotDeluxe https://github.com/HeadshotDeluxe hahaha man you just
have to give it a try for csgo, i was all against it as well . I played 1.6
for like 5k hours so i know how you feel towards csgo :D

Anyway, unfortunately ive a pretty new pc so these fixes cant be applied
here on Windows 10 unless there is some sort of alternative hidden out
there but trust me i spent loads of hours trying to fix this shit and it
never worked for more than couple of hours ...

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imYEA on 17 Apr 2016

Guys, I've applied the last fix on 32-bit Windows 7 and it works! The very same to WinXP feelings in game, same mouse behavior, absolutely same sensitivity. This never happened before. Reinstalled it twice to be sure. Old bugged installation (no driver provided during install) gave me known shitty accelerated mouse.
The difference in installation process is that u have to hurry with applying driver because there is no stop before restart.

Finally I can say goodbye to ol' WinXP and my old hardware. Recently it was neccessary to use many additional utilities and tricks to get it work properly with multi-CPU, teamspeak, flash etc.

My first Win10 attempt is failed. Dunno why my pc hangs during installation. May be i use not good distrib, was trying the last technical preview version. The process of installation is similar to Win7. I'll try again later with the newer hardware and stable build.

HeadshotDeluxe on 17 Apr 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe Nice to hear that it worked on win7 could you maybe please write it down step by step how did you do everything, I know its a lot to ask, but every step is very important.

NOHLT7 on 17 Apr 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe it's hard to tell with your video what you are trying to show. You should be able to demonstrate the difference between old vs new, mouse rotation etc. If you have time can you do this, thanks for all your efforts.

djdallmann on 17 Apr 2016

I just tried what HeadshotDeluxe recommended my recoil feels different but i'm not sure if it's placebo, I haven't installed windows updates yet. I'll update in a week or so.

djdallmann on 17 Apr 2016

but the title of the discussion is about smoothness problems?
Here you are talking about problems of Mouse sensitivity!
What the heck has to do with the problem?
The Recoil is one of the problems, but the jumps, the strafe and in general the movements are SLOW
(Including the Full Auto of some guns like the MP5) this is the problem
From videos of @HeadshotDeluxe I do not see any of these problems
and certainly can not be a driver problem..ONLY if you have a shared IRQ problem and the driver before installing it has made a priority IRQ, but it remains to be seen
First I would like to know the Headshotdeluxe configuration, piece by piece, what drivers ecc..

check also your DPC latency with Latencymon, with and without this installation "system"

skyscr3am on 18 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am Why don't you just try it?

HeadshotDeluxe on 18 Apr 2016

because i have already 2 partition with Win 7 and Win 10 (all two on SSD) and no much more space
and because all fresh installation calls the need to reinstall all program (i have lot of programs) and it would cost me a day to configure everything
if I can get a new hard drive i'll try

in any case you did not answer, what is your setup?

skyscr3am on 18 Apr 2016

You should try it anyway. Game is easy, movement is higly controlled, aiming is responsive, jumping is easy. No bad registration wtfs, If you miss you know that you miss. No frustration. It works everywhere in other games. eg. Quake3. I bet it works in starcraft etc as well.
Aim flash browser games (eg. http://aim400kg.com/) became much easy.

HeadshotDeluxe on 18 Apr 2016

@headshotdeluxe

So your point is to install the video driver during the windows
installation? Because after any fresh installation steam games work well
...i don't know if it is gonna be the case for you
Le 18 avr. 2016 08:13, "HeadshotDeluxe" [email protected] a écrit :

You should try it anyway. Game is easy, movement is higly controlled,
aiming is responsive, jumping is easy. No bad registration wtfs, If you
miss you know that you miss. No frustration. It works everywhere in other
games. eg. Quake3. I bet it works in starcraft etc as well.

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imYEA on 18 Apr 2016

@imYEA If cs had worked well for me after any fresh installation, i would be doing that every time i play. It would be trivial to find the cause.
Of course the topic problem is different. But i believe it should fix that too. Finally you need the game fixed for consistent enjoyable effective gameplay, right?

HeadshotDeluxe on 18 Apr 2016

I totally believe this is a driver problem by the simple fact that most notebooks runs smoothly. There is no other explanation. And i also believe HeadshotDeluxe found out the solution because thats the exactly way notebook companies install their drivers (during windows install, not after).

Unfortunately i'm not with my desktop PC to try this fix, but i'll report soon.

xxxMarioxxx on 18 Apr 2016

@skyescr3am

Have you ever considered the possibility that a driver can corrupt the windows registry or even cause conflict with other drivers? How can you be so sure about this is not a driver issue??

Also mouse response, smoothness and slow movement are all symptoms of the same problem and DPC latency won't tell a thing about it. I've already checked many times and there is no correlation between smoothness and hardware latency.

xxxMarioxxx on 18 Apr 2016

@xxxMarioxxx
a driver does not corrupt anything
a driver can be wrong and forcing the installation can cause problems
You can have a wrong assignment of resources (IRQ)
You can have bad performance
but does not damage the registry, be informed before you say hogwash
@HeadshotDeluxe suffered only his experience, it is not guaranteed to work for everyone
in any case his problem seemed to be a wrong IRQ assignment
but we can not know why we were not given detailed information.
I always take a bit with pliers who does not know what he's doing and especially why then does not inquire as to why he made that particular thing.
Then ALL it can be, with Windows I am not surprised me more than anything .. I've seen strange things
My advice, if you want to solve the problem we need to find something to problems
I in my previous post I talked about thread priorities and processes, and how changing some audio parameters influence gameplay in a positive / negative way
Headshotdeluxe posted his remedy this, in a sense it was helpful because it gave me some ideas.
How can a process be run better by changing audio parameters?
The answer could be IRQ?? All on our PC we have some shared IRQ
but certain device should have its own interrupt, and these devices fell as SATA and USB which are the ones that generate the most.
I'm pretty convinced that changing pushing audio parameters to use these resources as possible go to influence the system interrupt generating some sort of conflict, which in the specific case of CS produces an improvement
Of course I'm talking about my PC and my particular configuration
Each of us in fact has a different configuration, but probably has the same problem and do not know
So the remedy Headshotdeluxe might work? Maybe if you installing the VGA driver before the others could be configured at best and with the appropriate priority over others, because a wrong priority must be to affect the system performance in workloads

skyscr3am on 19 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am >in any case you did not answer, what is your setup?
I gave my pc configuration. I told that i tried different computers. What's the point?
No one is trying to garantee you anything. Healthy skepticism is good. But if you seemed something untrusty it's not the reason to just doubt others experience. It's a reason of course, critical thinking blabla. But all you need is to be patient and try it yourself. Anyone and everyone could be wrong.
Trust me i have tested an impact of IRQ and IRQ-conflicts. It's not the cause, not the main cause at least. Harder you dig wrong direction, deeper you stuck.
You have experienced "smooth" state of the system (in a complex), have you? Likely yes. So you should know what exactly you are going to fix.
I'm not trying to make everyone happy (whom i'm trying to fool...). I'm trying to give you some starting point with mine big problem fixed. Or may be just a new starting point, if it's not your case or you have never experienced "original" state of the game. Try it and go on with testing IRQ, audio, USB, whatever. Personally I came to conclusion that all that stuff has minor influence to the game, to the actual goal. I just decided one day to try again one more time and seemingly suddenly succeeded.

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe
ok i tried to install Win 7 32-bit (LITE - only 700mb - at moment i have only this version)
But I do not understand what I have to then call up the screen taskmanager ..
you can well explain the procedure on Windows 7?
I made only 2 reboot, and took me 5 minutes to fully install the system.
1 screen) makes me select the language, where the partition will be installed and proceeds to copy files. then restarts
Screen 2) no gui or any windows interface, Black screen with the percentage that starts to configure the devices, at this point I decided to push ctrl+f10 launch the taskmanager and nVidia driver setup ..
but it gave me an error, saying it was already in the process of driver installation (something like that)
then windows came now to 99% not giving me time to install anything.
3 screen) comes to the language selection, keyboard and pc name
then go directly to the desktop.
I tried then to immediately install the drivers but being a LITE version does not even have the net framework installed, the nvidia warn me because drivers need the framework but they install the same.
To reboot the system does not work, or rather I see the desktop and can not see anything .. only thing works in power-off (power button on your PC case) that properly shuts down
So you need to install the .NET framework 4.0....
if the rid out of NET that makes things better?? I thought this thing
if you are able to put the drivers without this then there may be an explanation.
Another thing I'll do tonight is try to start Windows in Safe mode, from there I will install the drivers.
In any case it would try to install in Safe Mode video driver even for those who have already installed the system
but for me with a nVidia card, install drivers without NET is impossibile i think

skyscr3am on 19 Apr 2016

another thing to try is to install VGA driver with SYSTEM account
I have repeatedly made access as SYSTEM user to delete keys (which can not be touched) from registry
but I have not tried to install drivers from that account
I will make a proof for this

Because if you think about it, during the Windows installation, the user you are using is in fact the user SYSTEM

skyscr3am on 19 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am You were doing right.You should install the driver at 2 screen before second restart. After that no special actions needed. As I mentioned before there is no stop in this part of process. So u should act fast and accurate. Lite version could be too fast. Try to install only driver. AFAIK .NETframework is needed only for GUI control panel, not for driver. You will install other things later. Unpack the driver before install, remember the path. Btw device manager is available, you can try to provide the drivers .inf directly.

I tried SYSTEM account install thing - dunno if placebo, but anyway not much effect, not what is needed.

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe you can upgrade VGA drivers after this installation mode or the improvements go to fck?
i think to instal only inf of vga driver during setup.. and after i reinstall vga drivers with complete control panel.. or i'll try to install only panel if is possible

skyscr3am on 19 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am Yes. I did the same.

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2016

What if when i install windows 7 it already has a gpu driver by a default? should i try to overwrite another one while loading or what ?

NOHLT7 on 19 Apr 2016

@NOHLT7 Hm? yes, update the default driver with the new full driver. Download it from gpu manufacturer official site.

HeadshotDeluxe on 19 Apr 2016

@HeadshotDeluxe i tried your fix.. for me it don't fix anything
nothing is changed, my gameplay is identical on Win 10, Win 7 64bit e the new installed Win 7 32bit
i reinstalled (for security) Windows 3 times, just as I suspected drivers have nothing to do with this problem

anyways i suggest u to install graphics driver with extreme calm, after (copy file for installation) first reboot press F8 and start Windows in safe mode, the call device manager and install display driver
then restart system and continue the installation procedure.
For me worked like a charm, the the evidence for me is: normally when i boot or use VGA standard driver my graphics card turn on "MAX fan cooling mode" (with enormous noise), when i start Windows and nVidia drivers are loaded the noise is reduced gradually until it becomes inaudible (This in my case is to indicate that the driver has been loaded correctly)

is exactly what happened to the restart when the installation came to the 47% I heard the graphics card that was beginning to lower the fan speed, I would say success in installing :)

but the problem remains, I tried CS also with nothing installed except for the graphics card (even LAN) and the problem there is always
Now I'm doing the tests with the refresh rate of monitor
Last night I tried to put it to 125hz (such as the USB polling rate) and I must say it looked much more smooth than standard 100hz or 120hz or 144hz
The problem that I can not remove (if not changing audio parameters) is the "crazy recoil"
the weapon bolt up in a non-smooth manner, especially in single shots repeated

skyscr3am on 20 Apr 2016

@skyscr3am do you have recoil problems on local lan server?

djdallmann on 20 Apr 2016

@djdallmann i make tests ONLY in offline mode (lan) then if i see some small improvements I try online
anyway.. the problem is not of the network

skyscr3am on 20 Apr 2016

I tried instal nvidia drivers during Windows 7 PRO 64bit install. There is a problem with run nvidia exe. Any solution?

venhyy on 22 Apr 2016

@venhyy, In task manager kill TrustedInstaller.exe and start it again.

djdallmann on 23 Apr 2016

No news boys ?!

2016-04-23 3:52 GMT+00:00 djdallmann [email protected]:

@venhyy https://github.com/venhyy, In task manager killed
TrustedInstaller.exe and start it again.

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imYEA on 30 Apr 2016

Ive tried the headshot deluxes fix but was not able to install a gpu driver after a second restart cause no keyboard or mouse was working I only managed to do it after a third restart which did not unfortunately work. Im so mad again :D

today tried 32 bit version windows out of desperation and surely it had no change in smoothness. seemed only for a few moments that it worked untill ive changed server. its just insane how the fuck it does not ever get fixed

NOHLT7 on 1 May 2016

First Off I apologies for my English
Hello everyone, i'm from Venezuela I'm so happy to see people here talking about the old subject
(CS ISN'T SMOOTH) oh that's bring me Nostalgia lol :')

I use to play alot counter strike since 2005 lan non steam, and steam since 2006 november, lemme tell you I never face this problem about rcoil issues or no smooth from 2006-2009, but after 2009 december i Guess game starts to drop (performance) it was playable but not at 100%
But the real problem starts like in 2012 I guess everything was so bad....

One day i was like oh may god, headshot, double kill... ACE etc
And suddenly the next day i was like score, 1 kill- 8 death

But yeah i've tried alot things, like turn off bios settings, DPC LATENCY, play without sound, play with core, low priority, unistalling drivers video.... and lemme tell you WINDOWS feels better when i have disable my NVIDIA DRIVERS.. but i can't play without video drivers lol

Sorry for my English :(
SO lets Bump this topic :)

CloudHaze on 4 May 2016

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By the way could someone please upload a video to Youtube? about explaining step by step, how to properly install drivers during window installation?

Like Nvidia drivers, lan controllers, inet, etc etc. Thank You.

CloudHaze on 4 May 2016

Read my post..

Anyway After windows copy file and first restart.. Quickly after BIOS post
press F8 and enter safe mode

After this launch CMD.exe and type devmgmt.msc
Then install video driver
Thats all

By the way could someone please upload a video to Youtube? about explaining
step by step, how to properly install drivers during window installation?

Like Nvidia drivers, lan controllers, inet, etc etc. Thank You.

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skyscr3am on 4 May 2016

Anyway dont waste your time.. Install driver video driver in this way dont fix anything

skyscr3am on 4 May 2016

Installing video driver during windows install didn't fix cs but performance in general does feel like it has better response times over the past few weeks.

djdallmann on 4 May 2016

Well I don't know if this help you guys but
I update all my drivers in PC
Then, I went to my bios (Green Options) I did disable Power LED , and CPU PHASE CONTROL I CHANGED FROM AUTO to disable I guess
Then i disable C statements, and another things dont remember
Also as my monitor is native 1680x1050 60 hz but it can up to 75 by forcing, i just decide to let the hertz in 60 as native, also in game i play 640x480 with all rates 101,101, 25mil ex_interp 0.1
But i use NVIDIA INSPECTOR, to force my fps to 58.5
Then i use Net_graphheight to 498, to see only the loss 0 and choke 0

Also I do use a special antialising FXAAA forced in INSPECTOR, this may result in the worst scenario a bad Texture for (letters) but you can see better the enemy on Edges
And yeah my games is kinda better.... also if you guys are using windows 10, just disable or remove bloatwares those bad app running in background, just disable Windows Defender Through group police, also open regedit valve, and modify the 3d render to 1<-- people say it reduce mouse lag, and input keyboard..... when using -noforcemaccel -noforcemparms
Also do not use (-nofbo) I mean when i use nofbo seems like my games gets better performance but i lose Quality playing in 640x480 so i don't like, also do not play with vertycal sync its better to set up the fps to 58.5 59.5 in case you play with 60hz

So this are my humble tips.
I apologies for my English. If you can you guys can fix my English no problem, i'll appreciate.

CloudHaze on 8 May 2016

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I'm running my own HLDS server and i'm noticing that there are correlations between sys_ticrate settings and recoil, it's also noted this may also have an effect the smoothness and consistency of the mouse movement reported between the client and server. Although this may sound obvious it would seem that sys_ticrate 500 and higher can produce relatively inconsistent results in the game play since the latest net code from ~2013, even on servers with low amount of players (5).

In my lab using sys_ticrate <= 500 from a clients (player) point of view, I feel you can predict the position of the next bullet more easily allowing you to control recoil better where as with ticrate above 500 it is much more difficult to do so.

djdallmann on 8 May 2016

DJDALLMANN
To be honest I use to test alot Sys_ticrate and 500 is not enough to sustain 10 slots players. Because the rendered will be 50 frames per slot. And lets say, if you have a server with 10 slots, with 500 sys_ticrate that will means 500fps/10 players= 50fps per second, and thats not good, thats why its better to have 1000 sys_ticrate = 1000fps to handle 10 slots, like 100 frames per player is the way to go.

For a 10 server slot I will recommend:
sv_maxupdaterate 100, sys_ticrate 1000
sv_maxrate 100.000 (alfred update that you can use 100k, but only in Server I guess)

But for clients are (20.000) you can use 100mil while using net_Graph 3 you wont notice anything.

Also i want to really say something unique about when using Net_Graph 1 <--- dont use as guide the (Flat green) <-- you can modify the flat green by using Net_graphheight and making straigth line thats means nothing..
People always is trying to reduce fps to make the flat green more straigth and thats a waste of time
Because you can modify the flat line with net_Graphwidth 300 and the flat green will changes drastically so it means nothing

Believe me i use to test Cs 1.6 like frankestein network etc etc
All you can do in order to know if the server is bad
Example: those servers that runs 10 slots with sys_ticrate 1000 but their fps are like fluctuating from 50-400-300-500, it is better to use fps_max 40-60 in order to keep bullets straigth so thats mean your client will be optimized with the server fps :)

Also i remember when i use to use cl_lw cl_lc and thats not recommended either.
And no one knows this but i use to use fake cl_updaterate and ex_interp like this in ESEA

First you put cl_updaterate 101 ex_interp 0.01
Then: Setinfo cl_updaterate 20 setinfo ex_interp 0.005
And your client will use only 20 updates and ex_interp 0.05
But this can ignore ESEA 0.01 and use only 0.05 ex_interp without ban.....
So yeah no one know this..... also i remember when i use to do too the
Cl_fixtimerate, to make purple the bottom line of Net_graph a solid one without using 0.1 ex_interp
Tons tons of things :) so theres a bunch of test you can do with this things i gave you, to improve your Game Experience :D

CloudHaze on 9 May 2016

Well Sandor i need to do more test i don't remember all i know is that i use to use Cl_fixtimerate among other command to make a straight purple line, but that didn't help at all i just was dechipering thing i'll keep deciphering, becuase i haven't play cs 1.6 since 2 years ago.

I found something related with the Game..... I was like set my desktop resolution 640x480 77 hz this a native resolution 1680x01050 old panel LCD t200 but maximum top hertz is 77

But yeah i did try this method
640x480 77 hz in desktop, then i open my game and its open with 640x480 75 hz
then i play some bhop maps, then i decide to (minimize the game)
and go to Nvidia Desktop size and position (i set No scaling) then i change resolution from 640x480 77 to 1680x1050 another custom that i have i put 77 hz, then I went to the (change resolution tab) and i set the resolution back to 1680x1050....

When i realise that i tried to use tab to back to my game and its funny because my game screen becomes so small like 640x480 without any scaling, and results in 100% smooth game dunno why.. seems like when i oopen the game in fullscreen it goes slow

heres the photo:
http://pokit.org/get/img/f8fd703de9f9b2a8a673463ea8a7576d.jpg

CloudHaze on 11 May 2016

@cloudhaze sane thing as me.. I am trying hz andò resolution things with nVidia panel.. Aldo scaling options
I always used scaling option on proportionally andò not fullscreen (i know fullscreen slowdown inputs)
If u want to use custom resolution in CS edit this setting in regedit
I play on 1154x864 because other low resolution dont give me any benefit in smoothness.
My CS are now very smooth but i have recoil problem
When i shot sometimes crosshair go to sky.. Without any control
I test only in LAN any improvement

skyscr3am on 11 May 2016

@skyscr3am Yeah i got that point... I remember when i use to do that about scaling resolutions but I ended up frustated and ragequit .. because my monitor resolution is 1680x1050 which mean thats 16:10 aspect ratio

Therefore I was like oh yeah I will try to find the lowest resolution to match the 640x480 4:3 but in a 16:10 way and i did find one 16:10 wide a 640x400 I was like oh may good look at that picture so crisp, but i ended up with bad graphical glitches, I wasn't able to watch the radar, or the aim of weapons ..... I wasnt able to play at that resolution, so i ended up with 1024....

But tell me about your monitor what inche is? and whats the native resolution aswell

I apologies for my bad english u.u

CloudHaze on 14 May 2016

Guys what do you think about using Markc Windows Fix? for windows 10?
Just read the part that say:
What is it?
Eh? What is it again?
How do you use it?

Now if you guys read It. should be fine to run the:
MarkC_Windows_10+8.x+7+Vista+XP_MouseFix_Builder.cd
MarkC_Windows_10+8.x+7+Vista+XP_MouseFix_Builder.vbs
and without running -noforcemparms -noforcemspd or noformaccel, ?
to avoid any acceleration etc etc.

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/04/markc-mouse-acceleration-fix-builder.html

CloudHaze on 14 May 2016

I find these settings below the best for most accurate mouse control, if you played previously without noforcemspd it'll still be accurate with only two noforce just affects the way shooting feels.

-nofbo -noforcemparms -noforcemaccel -noforcemspd
cl_mousegrab "0" //default is 1 but on zero it felt like smaller mouse movements were more consistent
fps_max "99"
m_rawinput "1" //same as RInput sequential but has lower latency
m_customaccel "0"
m_customaccel_exponent "1"
m_customaccel_max "0"
m_customaccel_scale "0" //this affects sensitivity even when m_customaccel is "0", set this zero NOT 0.04 default
gl_vsync 0
gl_ansio 0

djdallmann on 14 May 2016

Well. It has been like 1 month from my last message here. And I finally fixed my problem 2 days ago..
First i should say, that seems, in this topic people talk about two different but similar problems.. Its hard to explain both correctly. But i got a video 1 year ago about my OWN prob. Captured from povdemo.
here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyoDyxtuYjE
U can see, that my whole gameplay unsync or delayed with server. When i got hit from enemy, really hard to control aim and somehow i cant move, its like i got rooted in ground, or sometimes send me back a little bit after enemy hit(u can see this in 2 moment in video).
And this whole thing was started from 2013 after update.. Sometimes getting better, sometimes - not.
The one real fixing for a short time was just execing other cfg and then main one.
And two days ago i just type in startup options -nofbo... Daaaaamn, that was a moment, when u realizing, that you are dumb! 2013-2016! 3 years u cant just easily type that option........ I change windows many time, 64, 86, xp, vista, redistributable 2008/2010/2013, directx, three network adapters, RAM, many versions of graphic, sound, network drivers.........sad.. but i like to play with adaptation for wide monitors with two black lines on both sides.... and now my game is from 2013 :D old render, fat models

maloivanenko on 22 May 2016

@SandorClegane11 yea. when u change someting in cs settings its getting better for a while... for me its allways about 1-2 hour of gameplay or even less. so try -nofbo

maloivanenko on 22 May 2016

LOL guys do serious please..
I remind you that this problem isnt a problem of config network settings o
command parameter of CS
All these setting and many other nave already been tested from me and many
others guys
Il 22/mag/2016 22:42, "prAdsky" [email protected] ha scritto:

Well. It has been like 1 month from my last message here. And I finally
fixed my problem 2 days ago..
First i should say, that seems, in this topic people talk about two
different but similar problems.. Its hard to explain both correctly. But i
got a video 1 year ago about my OWN prob. Captured from povdemo.
here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyoDyxtuYjE
U can see, that my whole gameplay unsync or delayed with server. When i
got hit from enemy, really hard to control aim and somehow i cant move, its
like i got rooted in ground, or sometimes send me back a little bit after
enemy hit(u can see this in 2 moment in video).
And this whole thing was started from 2013 after update.. Sometimes
getting better, sometimes - not.
The one real fixing for a short time was just execing other cfg and then
main one.
And two days ago i just type in startup options -nofbo... Daaaaamn, that
was a moment, when u realizing, that you are dumb! 2013-2016! 3 years u
cant just easily type that option........ I change windows many time, 64,
86, xp, vista, redistributable 2008/2010/2013, directx, three network
adapters, RAM, many versions of graphic, sound, network drivers.........sad

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skyscr3am on 23 May 2016

@skyscr3am if its fixed for me allready for 3-4 days...... not a placebo! huh?

maloivanenko on 23 May 2016

Listen guys have you tried this already?
Open CASE CPU (do a hard reset) disconnect everything to remove static from all components
Take off the fan cooler, remove the cpu for 25 secs and put it back, connect all the pc
Then do a clean install of WINDOWS

Now here's the tip or my advise
When your windows is set up and clean , try to make a new restore point named, "windows Clean"
After that open counter strike 1.6 in any server, then minimize the game and go to CS STRIKE FOLDER open your cfg, write insde of them cl_filterstuffcmd 1 also type cl_allowdownload 0 and cl_downloadingame 0 , (Do not modify rates leave all default if you want except the cvars that i mentioned) after that, close the cfg, and go properties, and put the file on read-ONLY , in this way servers or players will not modify your CFG and it will stop server cvars or plugins

Now play some pugs or scrims and lemme know if that works for you
Sorry for my bad English.

CloudHaze on 26 May 2016

Seems like the problem can be because of a low Timerefresh, we need to have the hightest one in order to have a better game play experience.
things that seems to help is to take off al mip map linear, anistropic, antialising, and modify some commands in order to improve the Rcoil and smooth of the game

This may sound so dumb... but it helps a little bit....

These cvars seems to make the game more reactive, more playable, of course you can modify the radar to his default. just lemme know. also its very important to (remove any power feature save), also configured well the (ethernet adapter) if you have a realtek driver ethernet put everything in (disable) except the flow control, and the Speed full duplex to the highest one, and the wol shut down to (not speed) it will help also with the cvars down below.

max_shells 0
max_smokepuffs 0
mp_decals 0
fastsprites 2
cl_observercrosshair 0
setinfo _ah 0
cl_corpsestay 0
hud_takesshots 0
alias shield ""
rate 25000
cl_updaterate 100
cl_cmdrate 105
ex_interp 0.01
fps_max 99.5
cl_nosmooth 1
cl_smoothtime 0
cl_vsmoothing 0
gl_ansio 0
gl_affinemodels 1
gl_lightholes 0
gl_keepjunctions 0
gl_spriteblend 0
gl_picmip 1
gl_round_down 5
gl_texturemode GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_NEAREST
gl_ztrick_old 0
gl_max_size 256

CloudHaze on 29 May 2016

I found a confortable value for FPS_max can give me the lowest input lag and best response time in all games.. Not only CS
My magic value is 123 With 120hz refresh rate
In driving games i can pur down by 0.700 to 1 sec my best lap
In CS i can manage easily movements and good recoil
I think this value is relative to your configuration..
My suggest make more test at different FPS and refresh and find your best value
This is only thing that function and is durable for long time
Only on particolar server i have to reduce or increase the value by 1-2 FPS to find the right smoothness
Conclusion seem se have problem by what we really see on monitor with wath really happen in game
Sync problem i think

skyscr3am on 30 May 2016

@skyscr3am Hey i was checking a post in Steam Community
Frame Rate Help, a guy with 75 hz was clamming that he cant play cs:go smooth because of tearing and jittering, then appears a man who telled to the guy of 75 hz this:

I guess you wanted to say, fps_max 88 gets you less tearing (as supposed by me), but instead more jitter in return. Let's try to counter the jitter, while keeping the advantage of the already reduced tearing! I see two possible ways to do that:

75 x 7:6 = 87.5 -> fps_max 88, this was our first try.
Now let's add 100% of your monitor's refresh rate, see how that works:
75 x 7:6 + 75 = 87.5 + 75 = 162.5 -> fps_max 163
Theoretically, we should be able to achieve the same effect with a lower capped framerate, asl long as we keep the same relative distance for it from the monitor's refresh rate.
So instead of 6:6 + 1:6 = 7:6, we take 6:6 - 1:6 = 5:6 as a base relation!
75 x 5:6 + 75 = 62.5 + 75 = 137.5 -> fps_max 138

Those two alternatives should have the same effect, keeping less tearing and also reducing your jitter effect, which I myself didn't ever notice ingame. So it would be interesting how these two fps_max values will work out!

If both prove to be equal, use the second alternative to keep your card even cooler!

I don't know how he do the math to achieve those good fps
like example 75x 7:6 does he divided 7/7, then 5/6 to get the 13 fps? plus
Like 75+13 fps = 87-88
was wondering about how he find that 120fps has a relation 5:8? or 75 hertz has a relation 1-2?

Check the post
http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/558747218142380710/

CloudHaze on 2 Jun 2016

I found something and its kinda weird, you know I always use in microsoft 10 an account with my name like example (yuriy's user) with full-control windows 10, everything properly cfg
And when i play cs 1.6 is not that great feels like stutter or slow rigth?
Well i always do a ritual or something before play, in steam cs 1.6, I always boot windows 10 as normal
then i put in (sleep-hybernate) and log back, with my user id and password... and yeah I gain an extra performance boost

But, today when I went to sleep mode, I just clicked around without log in , and i see something called (ADMINISTRATOR) well i swap to that account logged in, suddenly, a windows screen appear saying: (welcome to windows 10 and feels the experience blah blah) after that, I start to see windows like more Quality.... like more snapy , super performance, like i was using a 200 hz monitor o.O to my reaction, I watch like 5-6 tools installed at the left part of screeen, I was very surprised, like: whats going on... . Then I went to nvidia control pannel it was on quality for windows, in custom games hl.exe was properly cfg like in my last user (yuriys'user)everything was pretty much different from my user yuriy.

The only weird thing so far that I notice was, that i can't (use the search window or search box) Anyway I went to files disc C, to open steam files, and when i did, i feels the game like perfect, and i notice something weird (I started to see blood when shooting bots) thats new to me because in Yuriy's user i cant see blood even if i have the same config in Administrator, also seems like administrator account apply all settings from nvidia :O ... i really dont know game feels so snapy and good.... but i have like connection issues in administrator... ..

CloudHaze on 17 Jun 2016

Oh, here i fount one post about bad hitreg// Exactly what i got every time. And dunno how to fix this. Started in 2013/.
"several times someone would come directly in front of me and I'd fire at what seems like first -- however NO damage was output to the other player, or one or two shots because the game was 'setting back' the game clock and even though I WAS firing my weapon, the server probably got a message that I died before I'd see my own death on my screen, making it seem like about 3-4 bullets just disappeared into thin air."

maloivanenko on 26 Jun 2016

Hit registry has multiple factors and variables, network latency, reliable transmission and receipt of frames/events, number of updates events sent from client and ex_interp. I feel that when others are using ex_interp 0.1 it has a significant effect on the consistency of the game, ideally this should be set to 0 for all clients to provide a more fair game online.

You will often feel pulled back into time when others are using improper interp and/or with clients that have high latency, the server does its best to identify hits given a set number of variables and information.

djdallmann on 27 Jun 2016

I dont know why when i set my fps to 30-60 rcoil goes better and i feels more smooth my mouse movements.. but its very hard to play witth those fps, something like
PD: I can play my game with 300fps but i feel the with better rcoil and responsive with less fps.

Fps_max 37.5
Cl_updaterate 101
Cl_Cmdrate 101
ex_interp 0.05
Game feels more responsive

Net_Graph goes to (in 60-180) 5:00 ks to 7.50 ks
(out 30-35) 4 ks to 5ks

but when using fps_max 100 (in 60-120) 8ks to 11ks
out like (20-25) 8-10 ks

i dont know why but i do maths. like (8kb) per 10 players is like (80 kb) or 11ksx10= 110kb
maybe i play better with 37.5 fps because it give to me 5ks in and out, and i multiply per 10players and its 50 kb?

Because my donwload speed is 120kb, and upload 4-10 kb

So when using fps_max 37.5 in 10 slot server, its like around 60kb and it leave another 60kb freee of my bandwitch...

Which that why valve always set client rates to 60cmdrate 60 updaterate? as default?
sorry i'm doing weird maths and things, but i want to understand why i do get better rcoil :P

in servers that has 1000fps 101maxupdaterate running well at 1000fps with cpu stats 150 per client.

CloudHaze on 30 Jun 2016

@schoof Bro did you find something new? did you fix this issue?

CloudHaze on 9 Jul 2016

@CloudHaze would you even believe me when i said its fixed for me ?

schoof on 6 Aug 2016

@schoof feel free to share any new ideas, this game since the updates feels widely inconsistent regardless of settings I change. It's very frustrating.

djdallmann on 6 Aug 2016

Schoof let us know please ;D

2016-08-06 16:39 GMT+01:00 djdallmann [email protected]:

@schoof https://github.com/schoof feel free to share any new ideas,
this game since the updates feels widely inconsistent regardless of
settings I change. It's very frustrating.

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julius2k on 6 Aug 2016

@julius2k to be honest with you i dont know if i can help you, but what i know is that my steam games run normal now! i said it before and i say it again: its not a cs 1.6 problem only, all steam games are affected by it and thats why i think its related to the steam client itself.
right now all my steam games i tested run totally fine! and it all started at one day when one particular "thing" changed, which i didnt really try before! since then the problem is fixed for me and it coincides with the stuff i tested the last couple of months!

so what did i test...
i did a lot of testing the last couple of months in regard to the connections the steam client creates and which protocols or ports it uses. i blocked certain protocols and ports etc... and i saw a difference but the problem with this whole steam unsmooth gameplay phenomenon is that you change sth on your pc and the games run better, you think you fixed it and then it gets worse again! thats why im not 100% sure if i found a universal solution for everybody or only in my particular case or if i just got lucky!

so you ask what "thing" did i change...
i tested a different firmware for my router! simple as that! and since the moment i did that my problem is gone! i dont know if its a coincidence, pure luck or sth else but i know that from that day on the problem is gone with steam games running horribly unsmooth! i dont even know whats different in this firmware version than the other i had before (the patch notes are only saying bug fixes etc..)
i know for a fact that certain routers had problems with steam in the past: for example the server browser would lead to the routers rebooting because it couldnt handle all the connections! maybe the whole problem with steam games not running normal is related to the connections the steam client creates and some routers (or their firmware/settings) not being capable of handling it properly!?!?

maybe thats why my steam games ran good for a while then got bad again without me doing anything: my router was updating itself with a new firmware version, a feature which i disabled only in the last couple of months.

i dont know how to help you guys or how to proof it to you! i wouldnt believe me either after all these years trying stuff and the problem always coming back! i already streamed steam games for a couple of friends on my friends list to show them how smooth my game now run and they said they saw a difference, but you have to sit in front of the pc to really feel it!

i can update you guys from time to time if the problem came back!

schoof on 7 Aug 2016

Hi schoof hope youre having a good day! Im following you and this problem
since 2009 so i know what it is and its just painfull. The instability and
lack of smoothness been like a vicious disease for years now. Anyway.
Changing routers firmware sounds completely new thing and im excited to try
it out. Could you maybe explain a little how did you do it? Did you
download a different version of a driver or ehat. Not sure what firmware is
to be honest. Thanks and sorry for bothering. If id get it fixed im willing
to donate you some cash.
2016 rugp. 7 07:36 "schoof" [email protected] rašė:

@julius2k to be honest with you i dont know if i can help you, but what i
know is that my steam games run normal now! i said it before and i say it
again: its not a cs 1.6 problem only, all steam games are affected by it
and thats why i think its related to the steam client itself.
right now all my steam games i tested run totally fine! and it all
started at one day when one particular "thing" changed, which i didnt
really try before! since then the problem is fixed for me and it coincides
with the stuff i tested the last couple of months!

so what did i test...
i did a lot of testing the last couple of months in regard to the
connections the steam client creates and which protocols or ports it uses.
i blocked certain protocols and ports etc... and i saw a difference but the
problem with this whole steam unsmooth gameplay phenomenon is that you
change sth on your pc and the games run better, you think you fixed it and
then it gets worse again! thats why im not 100% sure if i found a universal
solution for everybody or only in my particular case or if i just got lucky!

so you ask what "thing" did i change...
i tested a different firmware for my router! simple as that! and since
the moment i did that my problem is gone! i dont know if its a coincidence,
pure luck or sth else but i know that from that day on the problem is gone
with steam games running horribly unsmooth! i dont even know whats
different in this firmware version than the other i had before (the patch
notes are only saying bug fixes etc..)

maybe thats why my steam games ran good for a while then got bad again
without me doing anything: my router was updating itself with a new
firmware version, a feature which i disabled only in the last couple of
months.

i dont know how to help you guys or how to proof it to you! i wouldnt
believe me either after all these years trying stuff and the problem always
coming back! i already streamed steam games for a couple of friends on my
friends list to show them how smooth my game now run and they said they saw
a difference , but you have to sit in front of the pc to really feel it!

i can update you guys from time to time if the problem came back!

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julius2k on 7 Aug 2016

@schoof

Of course i would believe you, but i dont get it why all this time you never tried before to connect directly your broandband internet pc cable to the modem, by just bypassing the router? to see if steam games becomes more smooth?

Or do you have just a modem-router all in one? and yeah i'm very happy you solve your issues :)

CloudHaze on 7 Aug 2016

@julius2k firmware is basically the operating system of a device. i just manually installed the newest firmware version for my router! thats basically all i did... in the past this process was in control of the router itself and it was doing this all in the background and i didnt even know about it! my router is a "Speedport W 921V" from telekom (biggest german telecommunications company)!

@CloudHaze yes,i have like you said a "modem-router all in one"! theres no choice for me in this regard because we got it when we got our "new" internet connection and i have to use it basically! its a long story: we live here on the countryside and the people from our town and the other one next to us started a petition a couple of years ago so telekom builds up their internet infrastructure in this two towns! luckily we got enough people to sign it and we finally got better internet, some people got internet for the first time ever! but we were forced to subscribe with them for a couple of years, or else it wasnt financially feasible for them to upgrade/built all the new cable in the ground!

schoof on 7 Aug 2016

Schoof thanks a million will take a look when im back from work.!!
2016 rugp. 7 16:53 "schoof" [email protected] rašė:

@julius2k https://github.com/julius2k firmware is basically the
operating system of a device. i just manually installed the newest firmware
version for my router! thats basically all i did... in the past this
process was in control of the router itself and it was doing this all in
the background and i didnt even know about it! my router is a "Speedport W
921V" from telekom (biggest german telecommunications company)!

@CloudHaze https://github.com/CloudHaze yes,i have like you said a
"modem-router all in one"! theres no choice for me in this regard because
we got it when we got our "new" internet connection and i have to use it
basically! its a long story: we live here on the countryside and the people
from our town and the other one next to us started a petition a couple of
years ago so telekom builds up their internet infrastructure in this two
towns! luckily we got enough people to sign it and we finally got better
internet or for some people internet at all, but we were forced to
subscribe with them for a couple of years, or else it wasnt financially
feasible for them!

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julius2k on 7 Aug 2016

@schoof basically you can connect "directly". not as direct as an inbuilt/internal modem but these are not popular anymore. i know your problem and i know some Speedport HGWs (home gateway, or just modem+router as you said). crappy devices. i had tons of problems with these devices. i never tested W 921V but i guess it has PPPoE Passthrough or modem mode option too. these settings means that the modem just transform the connection. it does not log in to the ISP just send the connection to the next device (for example a computer or a router). so if you want to test it just switch on the passthrough or the modem mode option when no one else using the net at home than connect the modem to a computer via LAN then set up the connection on the system.

ViBE-HU on 8 Aug 2016

READ THIS PLZ :

My biggest problem right now is that , i have a Cable Modem and router, but i just always put my pc directly without any problem, the thing is that in my country (Venezuela)<-- yeah venezuela :/
Here in this country nothings work, seems like there are not human rigths when comes to claim for a better economy or human rights or whatsoever

Rigth now in Venezuela ISP<-- sucks alot, you can't complaing because everything goes wrong..
ISP ignored you, they never send technicians to repair or fix your network issues... the dowload and uploadstream sucks, they put your ip in black-block something like that

So, i do have a (CABLE-MODEM) model DPC 2203 -scientic atlanta
I've tried to manage my modem to bypasss ISP RESTRICTIONS, by entering 192.168.100.1
Once i get in that panel of my modem, i barely can't acces to any config
I've google, to find a way to entry in (lvl 2 security) which is advance, by dowloading a (program)
That works with command prompt, which is Curl.exe, once in curl.exe i put some commands to (decodified my modem security via internet panel) but i just can acces to advance, even that, i can't configure upstream or downstream :/ , seems like theres an option called (TELNET) and i can't bypass that lvl 3 security that will leave me to config i guess the modem and open ports, and reduce JITTERING

in PINGTEST my jitter is awfull like 40-50 ms and thats like bad bad idea when comes to play counter strike, people say come on FIX YOUR RATES ROBOT! etc etc :/ also internet goes so slow.. upstream bandwitch goes from 5kb-10kb... sO please help me :/ I cant afford a new modem, everything is spensive here

we dont get pay in Dollars, our currency is (BOLIVARES) which is 15.000 bolivares means 13$ american dollars.....
and with that 15mil bolivares you barely can eat or buy things, because one pound of ham its equal to 4750 bolivares, a single bread 850 bolivares, 15 eggs 1900 bolivares, one pound meat 4000 bolivares
Chesse 4500, chicken meat one pound 2400

So please help me to bypass internet, or something :D sorry for alot of writing U.u Venezuela corruption is terrifying... insecurity, bad economy, etc etc :) thanks for read this :)

CloudHaze on 8 Aug 2016

@ViBE-HU thx for your advice, but right now i wont change anything! right now my steam games all run totally fine and i want to see if it stays this way...

@CloudHaze i dont know how to help you and im not even sure that the router stuff was the solution for me or is for anybody else! maybe my steam client fixed itself or.... i dont know right now! but i will keep you and the others updated!
i hope the situation in your country improves!!!

schoof on 8 Aug 2016

@schoof my Huawei HG532e got 2012 firmware, i updated to 2014. Launch cs, smoothness about 5 mins, then like was before.

maloivanenko on 9 Aug 2016

I got the same smooth game feeling for like a day and than its back to shit
again. I think im just doomed ...

2016-08-09 2:50 GMT+01:00 prAdsky [email protected]:

@schoof https://github.com/schoof my Huawei HG532e got 2012 firmware, i
updated to 2014. Launch cs, smoothness about 5 mins, then like was before.

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julius2k on 11 Aug 2016

hey guys i got an update for you:
i couldnt resist to do some more tests with my router after my steam games were suddenly fixed (see this post here for explanation: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/387#issuecomment-238064888)! i manually restarted my router to see if my steam games were still fine and _boom_ they ran like garbage again, i then manually re-upgraded my router firmware and still no change! so i tried to grasp what had happened, why did my steam games run fine for weeks when i upgraded my router with a new firmware (all explained in the link above!). thats when i started to re-examine every setting in my router.
in the past i had a suspicion that the built-in firewall in my router was the reason for all my problems with my steam games which cant be disabled! i opened every port that steam used but nothing really changed! i even opened as much ports i could from 1-65535 but it still didnt help fixing my problem! then i "found" an option called "use as modem" (i saw this option before but never really tried it), it means basically that you use your router as a modem and you have to dial in to the internet on your pc directly with your login-data from your provider, basically like you did in the past where dial-up connections were the norm like isdn etc... funny enough user ViBE-HU talked in his post (https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/387#issuecomment-238125685) about this setting, which i didnt exactly understand at the time and didnt even want to test beause my steam games finally ran fine and i didnt want to fuck it up by testing new stuff! so i forgot about his posting and only found it again when writing this post! but big thx anyway for your advice!
this setting basically fixed my problem: as long as i use my router as a modem (i have to disconnect the internet-connection on it first which then basically bypasses the firewall on it) and connect my pc via a dial-up connection to the internet (PPPoE) my steam games are fine! i assume the built-in firewall is the reason for that but im not 100% certain. i think the last time when i upgraded my router with the newest firmware that the built-in firewall was somehow bugged or not correctly started and thats why my steam games ran fine for weeks! thats only speculation from me, but thats how it looks like.

suddenly all the years of problems with steam make sense (but i still dont get why sometimes steam games ran better if you did different changes to your pc). i have to go back in time to explain you guys how this problem started for me:
i started to play cs back in 2001 with version 1.0, just before release of version 1.1 (when the awp had a crosshair when not zooming...pure nostalgia)! at that time i used a isdn connection right until the end of 2004 when steam and cs 1.6 got released! thats when i stopped playing for severals years because of different reasons like wanting do more sports being busy with university and bad internet (high ping, connection problems etc). in the beginning of 2009 i got back into cs when i got broadband internet (dsl 16k) with a new router!!! (i dont know anymore if it also had a built-in firewall) and no more dialing in to the internet on your pc directly!! and thats where the problems started with steam/cs for me! i recognized right from the beginning that something was wrong with cs, how it felt etc! but i couldnt find a solution to fix it 100%, although i tested every possible "fix" i could come up with and searched the internet for hours upon hours to see that other people had the same problem like i did! thats how i found the now famous "cs isnt smooth" thread in the old steam forum (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781721) and why i posted here!

i hope this can help some of you guys that have a router with this option or that have the option to disable their router firewall! ive been testing this "fix" now for more then 6 weeks and it still works! i even formatted my pc and installed win10 (before i had win8.1) to be sure its working there also! i also deactivated my windows firewall but i dont think its important for the "fix" to work, do your own tests to see if it helps you! Here is a useful link "How to set up a PPPoE connection on Windows 10: http://www.tplink.com/be/article/?faqid=924 "

P.S.: i claim no responsibility when you are doing this tests (disabling firewall etc) and the problems it might lead to on your pc!!!

schoof on 25 Sep 2016

Im happy to see u fixed your problem but is there any way to test this for me? Since I dont have PPoE connection. Im using tplink router with dd-wrt firmare. Disabling built in firewall did nothing for me there. Thanks for reply.

venhyy on 26 Sep 2016

I think Schoof's solutions works for people that have modem built in Router.
Therefore I would highly recommend some tweaks that can make your pc more snappy and responsive for both users that have (modem and router built in one, and for those who has modem+router separated,

So
When comes to game we want to have a flat line in CPU to avoid any stuttering, by disabling unnecesary or extra USB PORTS, ATA-PORTS, Human Interface Devices, from Device Manager, because when you have extra ports that you don't use it keeps sharing IRQ and sytem latency increase, cpu, memory etc etc.. beside that also take in consideration most OS like Windows has huge of unnecesary services running that generated CPU spikes for those who only have dual-core or i3 computers.

Services like:
Background intelligence Transfer (BITS)
All Hyper services that are only used for (Virtual Machines)
Human Interface Device
System Event Notification
SuperFetch
Work Folders (manual)
WWAN AUTO-CONFIG (manual)
Wired auto-config (you can disable if you dont use wifi)
Windows Search (i dont like indexing on SSD) and i really dont use the search button
Windows Defender (i just open gpedit.msc in run, and turn off) (Only turn off if you know what you do with your internet :)
Windows Firewall (the same i don't use this )
Windows Update (you can leave it on, and check how windows updates are delivery) i use off...

And theres more to disable like (SERVER THINGS, things that you guys dont use) my biggest tip always use Task Manager to check services memory leak<---

Also i would highly recommend an app called (Ghost-Busters) in case in the past you guys remove drivers, you can remove the ghost from them (useful)

Now more Tweaks like fast double click, and things like that i recommend to use Ultimate Windows Tweak from (ClubWindows) to make more privacy your windows and disable stuff from windows 7,8,10.

to be honest when my pc is Idle i get 0% cpu use, 16% memory (flat line of cpu)

sorry for my english :)

CloudHaze on 27 Sep 2016

@schoof An ultimate permant solution again? haha
Almost everyone reported that this little latency happens offline and sometimes even on desktop.

I've tried every single crazy stuff from low khz sound to buy a steam package without CZ (by Schoof), those includes HPET changes, bcdedits magic command lines, dedicated ethernetcard, drivers, almost all windows since XP, disable all energy saving from bios, cpu priority, mem timings, etc. My only conclusion is that exists a non-intentional framebuffer at kernel level from time to time and there is nothing we can do as users.

andrelip on 29 Sep 2016

@andrelip dont believe me, i dont care! i just tro to help other people...
i said before that this problem wasnt happening for me when running the steam client in offline mode, which now makes totally sense! my problem is gone, good luck fixing yours!

schoof on 29 Sep 2016

Why u even react to these schoofs "fixes" all time he release something magic its total bullshitt. Maybe he fix something different but not what is core problem of "cs is not smooth" thread and others. Anyway I think dat thread has solution which was mentioned by makakin. Just buy gaming mobo with decent VRMs and use full power phase.

venhyy on 29 Sep 2016

@venhyy i opened this thread about MY PROBLEM, if you have different problem open your own thread! simple as that! and why do you ask for advice how you can test my fix when its bullshit...

schoof on 29 Sep 2016

@schoof topic name "cs only runs normal first time", its related to router? for sake of god... Definetly not fixed by this, cuz happens for me too and this didnt fix it. I realized later that its bullshit to fix by disable firewall, etc.. I need to save money for better mobo and think it would be fine.

venhyy on 29 Sep 2016

@venhyy yes my problem is related to my router and so does the topic and what i wrote! i already said that i couldnt fix it by only disabling the firewall (my router doesnt have this option) and windows firewall doesnt matter i think! im not sure how i can help you test my fix if you dont have the "use as modem" feature, but hey talk shit to me all you want...

p.s.: maybe get a job so you can save money and buy yourself a mb to test your fix!! GL!

schoof on 29 Sep 2016

@schoof Anyone rly cant use solution if not ownin PPoE type of connection, this type of connection require ISP login info and its not present for me, I think its ADSL. Anyway I dont get what magic is about your "use as modem" option. Maybe give us info about your type of router so I could find more about this option. I got TPlink with dd-wrt firmare so there is a lot of stuff I could do with my router.

venhyy on 29 Sep 2016

@venhyy all i know i have posted already! i assume my problem is gone because now i bypassed the built-in firewall in my router! i dont know how to help you... a friend of mine has the same problem: his router doesnt have this option and his provider doesnt support it, so he basically has to wait until his contract runs out with them and get a new one and then use a router similar to mine!

schoof on 29 Sep 2016

@schoof Ye, glad to hear you fixed your problem, but for others happen this on LAN aswell so router is not way. I just look on your router and yea there rly could be problem. Feels bad for everyone who have DSL connection. T-Mobile or 02, both same with they company build shitty routers. There could be some firewall filters that slowdown your link or slow NAT transition

venhyy on 29 Sep 2016

@venhyy yeah i know for a fact that this kind of routers have all kind of bugs/problems and are not at all very user friendly! but i had this problem also on LAN! let me explain what i mean: steam was connected to the internet but i was testing cs in LAN mode (new game-->create server) and i was still suffering from the unsmooth gameplay! the only way i could play my steam games pefectly fine was when i disconnected my internet or run steam in offline mode! did you test this already ? if yes what happens to your problem ?

schoof on 29 Sep 2016

@schoof No idea how steam or CS work on background in case of network operations, hard to say what could cause your problem. My game is kinda smooth in terms of FPS and so on, but feels still like slowed or smth. I rly hope this is caused by mobo and makakin's solution would work. All these power saving just mess things badly. LLC and CPU power phase should be way to fix this since this power CPU with constant power and trying make CPU voltage constant as much as possible. I think anyone mention this problem with some high end gaming mobo on steam topic. ASUS mobo with Z97 chipset, its way for me cuz now I have decent build except mobo, its trashy budget mobo MSI.

venhyy on 29 Sep 2016

@venhyy how you describe your problem sounds like mine: "My game is kinda smooth in terms of FPS and so on, but feels still like slowed or smth." i already disabled all the power saving features (especially for older games like cs 1.6) i could find and even did a guide for it in the old steamforum thread! it helped but it didnt fix my problem! so i would assume we both have the same problem and buying a new MB wont fix your problem but i wish you good luck anyway! i tested different hardware in the past and it didnt help!

schoof on 29 Sep 2016

I have to test that Schoof, what schoof says is very important, i don't know why but... when i connected to my steam in online-mode, even if created a New-Game (lan) i feel like im runnig in a slowest pc at 100 fps even connected to a modem without (router) just simple a modem no built in router, the game feels retarded or sluggish, choppy etc, also sometimes when connected to STEAM<--- testing cs 1.6 in new-game I may lost my connection for X and I still get the choppy gameplay

I would ensure to test nextime cs 1.6 in (STEAM OFFLINE mode) to ensure what schoof says...

Because i dont know if Windows 8.1 has or 10 has like (hardware acceleration for Nvidia or ati hidding) because in full screen games feels like choopy and horrible. I've read some windows forums that most people says: thats Games run perfectly in Windows mode than full screen...

CloudHaze on 30 Sep 2016

@venhyy dude I have asus z97-a and yes i changed power phase to extreme but I don't see any difference.
For me game fixed when i turned off some services firewall,defender etc.. and when I plugged headphones in front panel and installed newest realtek drivers(CD quality 44,1k). And then game became very smooth the recoil is smooth u can shoot some lucky shots and everything u can run and gun with ak and still feel the bullet recoil. (sorry for english :) )

lamapukas on 1 Oct 2016

@lamapukas rly? It sad to hear this doesnt fix a problem. Under DigiVRM+ section set CPU power phase to Extreme and CPU Load Line calibration to some high lvl (7+) and see if it helps.

venhyy on 1 Oct 2016

@venhyy well I didn't change CPU Load Line I don't know what it is but I don't need to change anything because my cs 1.6 is fixed it's very smooth anyway, sometimes it's get fucked up again but I reinstall game completly, and then it's like before. Man i tried alot of fixes from "cs isn't smooth" steam forum, http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and-mouse-response-bios-optimization-guide-for-modern-pc-hardware/2940#post_25448868 and reddit guides/tweaks everything but the best solution for me like I said disable some services and install newest realtek drivers (yes i have set CPU power phase to extreme but I don't think that changed something, I had older mobo in 2009-2014 or something when i played cs 1.6 alot and there wasn't CPU power phase and the game was smooth like now) (sorry for english I explained how i can lol).
P.S. csgo is smooth

lamapukas on 1 Oct 2016

Lamapukas yeah that overclock guide is very helpful I installed my windows 8.1 pro follow r0atch instructions and everything is smooth, but event that i apply some tweaks
Also by using Winsat Formal <--- it help to configure from scratch the drivers, so is like you installed new windows gets update security, then first intel or amd drivers them realtek+internet and lastly the nvidia drivers, and after that we run the index score with (winsat formal)

-Removing hibernation Windows 8.1 through command prompt
-Disabling dynamic tick through command prompt
-Turning off page-file on SDD and putting page file in another Hard-drive
-By turning off all visual settings in performance tab leaving on only: the (Smooth Edges, thubnails on)
-By editing regedit Nagle’s Algorithm stuff like: TcpAckFrequency , TCPNoDelay, TcpDelAckTicks
source: that also works for windows 8.1
https://www.back2gaming.com/guides/how-to-tweak-windows-10-for-gaming/

-By modifying regedit with this .reg file from:
http://www.askvg.com/collection-of-registry-tweaks-for-windows-7/
That also works for window 8.1 and make more snappy the right click function etc.etc

Also wish we can find a way to play cs 1.6 smooth because is very annoying and feels stuttered even at 0% cpu load and 15-20% memory in use.....

but yeah no matter what we do is something with kernel or steam games...
Also i did notice that i had to change mouse polling rate from 1000 hz to 125 and cpi from 800 to 400 and mouse is more precise... maybe these games are not development to run more than 500hz... who knows....

CloudHaze on 1 Oct 2016

@CloudHaze well for mouse try to disable legacy usb,ehci,xhci in bios and uninstall usb driver's if u installed them, I'm using nvidia 344.11 driver's and I only install graphic drivers and physx(don't install expierience).I'm sad to hear that u guys can't fix it maybe try to make CMOS in bios maybe it will help.

lamapukas on 1 Oct 2016

make CMOS in bios? This doesnt make any sense dude xD

venhyy on 1 Oct 2016

@venhyy well I heard if u make alot of (tweaks) in BIOS alot of times then it can fuck up something I don't know it's true or not lol..

lamapukas on 1 Oct 2016

@lampukas ye its possible so then your advice is clear CMOS.

venhyy on 1 Oct 2016

@lamapukas but by disabling usb legacy at least in my motherboard i cant use the Mouse or Keyboard lol :/ , and yeah when installing nvidia drivers i just pick custom, and install only the Driver

About unistall usb drivers through (device manager) i don't do that because it disable my usb borts totally, and i prefer just open device manager instead of unistalling just disable temporary while playing games, eve tried that before but uhmm meh not helping at alll
Also there are something that i saw when using Set timer resolution in windows 10 without (press the buttom maximum) without press the button and opening Cs 1.6 the set timer become automatically 0.5 ms, but in windows 8.1 didn't happen so i have to press set timer resolution max always in 8.1

CloudHaze on 1 Oct 2016

@venhyy man i played csgo for last 2years, and have been bored now I'm playing cs 1.6 again for 2weeks first when I started to play first few gathers(mixes) the game was horrible I can't explain it was like heavy I don't know... I have 120hz monitor but it felt like i was playing with 75hz or something, the recoil was fucked up, if I didn't headshot player with first 1-2 bullets that mean's I'm dead because the other bullets was so random(I can't explain my english is bad :)), so i tried alot of tweaks even formated from win10 to win7 and the only one was with services and with realtek driver then I reinstalled cs, and joined some mix and that fixed my problem.. It's not placebo or something I have been playing cs from 1.5

lamapukas on 1 Oct 2016

@CloudHaze
Well when I changed my mobo from old to this one (asus z97-a) my mouse movement became too smooth like mouse was on ice(I don't know how to explain), aiming was almost impossible but then I read some forums where people had same problem then I disabled ehci,xhci,legacy usb and uninstalled usb 3.0 drivers and it back to normal.

lamapukas on 1 Oct 2016

Glad to hear u got better gaming experience, sadly for me anything working well. Right now I playing LoL and got there problem with "slowed" game, mouse clicks and so on. Same for CS:GO, slow movement, slow jumping,shooting etc.. But one think someone mention before that I mby have problem with soundcard, cuz my Headphones (front or rear panel) are getting detected as Speakers, idk if there is problem. I already tried set through realtek panel. Headphones detected and on Windows Sound manager its called Realtek 2nd output device, idk if this is right or not.

venhyy on 2 Oct 2016

@venhyy yes i have same, Realtek HD Audio 2nd output device, when I first installed these drivers it was detected as speakers aswell but I changed to headphones

lamapukas on 2 Oct 2016

@lamapukas Yeah glad to hear you are doing well rigth now, but in my h55-e33 :D i know its a joke this motherboard but =x i cant disable legacy because my mouse and keyboard wont work lol maybe i can try swap my ports. and all i know i need like a 120hz monitor, im playing on 75hz, i've do everything maybe if i buy in any future a 100-120 hz i can play even better, i play since 2006 cs 1.6 steam around 10.03k hours :o and haha if wasnt for my jittering internet or low... Monitor hertz with 2ms maybe i could be more good at cs 1.6

but so, did you reinstall or update your audio realtek, and disable bios settings like r0ach and others member suggest? if so that's great :3

CloudHaze on 2 Oct 2016

@CloudHaze man my previous mobo was MSI h55-e32(I installed all drivers with MSI live updater before) lol and I had smooth cs 1.6, I don't tweak alot man I have almost default bios I turned off C-State,legacy usb,xhci,ehci and I changed CPU power phase to Extreme that's it(this mobo don't have HPET feature).
I reinstalled audio drivers.

lamapukas on 2 Oct 2016

Here is my thoughts on this issue. Whenever the Kernel gets destabilized it also affects how the games works. So it's all about the frame time being delayd in the CPU, the reaction is not precise anymore. You fell the game running slow.

So what causes the kernel to detabilize? Kernel is running into the CPU and rely on the master clock (motherboard) to sync all the threads that comes. We all know that most motherboards don't have a good master clock and the manufactures overlook this essencial component of the system.

Just take a look at this upgrades you can do in motherboard:

http://www.highend-audiopc.com/shop/media/images/org/PICT8278.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X5R-RjVOxZM/VyHYtZfJ_lI/AAAAAAAAD98/4jyL_w4ULvgyK5xmG53EGAm4iTxWIwokwCLcB/s1600/CIMG0129.JPG

http://www.highend-audiopc.com/shop/media/images/org/clockmodules.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VGlBIa4IpjI/VWcNrMjg7kI/AAAAAAAADY8/ONh9CukflFk/s1600/PICT9042.JPG

http://www.highend-audiopc.com/shop/media/images/org/PICT8267.jpg

xxxMarioxxx on 4 Oct 2016

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@schoof, how did you get login info from ISP? (They tell me it's impossible to do dial like that)

And what do you mean, bypassing router? On your own modem/router or what?

nikooz on 4 Oct 2016

Seems like counter-strike or pc can improve a little be by changing the Windows Line pci to something called (Message Signaled-Based Interrupts)
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=378044

CloudHaze on 4 Oct 2016

@CloudHaze ye its kinda good tweak, but not fix to our problem. I heard nvidia running on MSI is good tweak doe.

venhyy on 4 Oct 2016

@xxxMarioxxx Are this only your thoughts or u test this yet?

venhyy on 4 Oct 2016

@nikooz i got my login info from my provider by mail, after i signed a contract with them! im not bypassing my router, im bypassing the built-in firewall that cant be disabled manually, by using it as a modem and dialing into the internet on my pc directly!

schoof on 4 Oct 2016

@xxxMarioxxx u have tried this?
Mario where are u from?

time ago I identified what makes you go slow or the game well .. nobody has then tried.
Personally I have solved the problem of slow play on both CS 1.6 and CS:GO in exactly the same way
The problem for me is limited to the audio system, it is virtually (in short) a problem of too large audio buffer .. this introduces LAG
If we could all use ASIO instead of DirectSound never would have these problems, however from what I could tell the sound is conveyed streaming via internet when we play CS (RTP packet.. if u want check with wireshark) consequently a bad connection or a wrong audio setting will introduce additional latency to our native ISP latency
Fiber or good ADSL with lower ping is the best way.. but not only

skyscr3am on 4 Oct 2016

@skysr3am well i want to try this. How can i proceed to reduce this sound
issue ( if not fix it) i remember i was active trying these stuff .. and
since i have a bad internet connection i want to try to reduce this kind of
lag if possible

imYEA on 4 Oct 2016

@skyscr3am Yeah enlighten us please :), how can we use ASIO instead of DirectSound?

CloudHaze on 4 Oct 2016

we can't.. but if you have an Creative soundcard like Audigy 2, X-Fi or newer u can use it with Alchemy
this is a sound wrapper wich put dsound.dll and dsound.ini files inside game folder.
U can edit dsound.ini manually
i use aggressive values:
Buffers=1
Duration=5
MaxVoiceCount=64
DisableDirectMusic=1

with these values in CS 1.6 i have crackling sounds (because very small buffer) but perfect smooth gameplay, the response time of controls are instantaneous with perfect straight bullets (no crazy recoil after first 1 2 shots)
i played versus high skilled players in aim maps and i can beat them
First this it was impossible for me

in CS:GO i dont have crackling sound, the gameplay is fine (straight bullets no slow recoil)

skyscr3am on 4 Oct 2016

@skyscr3am
Oh I have only my onboard audio controller from MSI h55m-e33 :( so sad i can't do that :/

But what about that cs 1.6 audio command that make games sound delay in seconds? should that reduce Latency in-game and make rcoil better?

CloudHaze on 4 Oct 2016

I do not remember how but in past I managed to get the same result with the Realtek integrated into the motherboard.
Now after a short circuit on a PCI-EX Riser defective burnt my integrated sound card (the drivers are installed but does not produce any sound)
so I can't do other tests.
My motherboard does not have the phase control and has no digital VRM
is an old P8P67-M

it is still important for CS 1.6 ALWAYS give his threadl hl.exe priorities REALTIME and cpu affinity on only one cpu

skyscr3am on 4 Oct 2016

@CloudHaze u can try _snd_mixahead 0.05
this is a good starting point
in XP i can put this valuw to 0.01 (default value are 0.1 = 100ms -- 0.01 is 10ms very low lag)
in Vista, Seven, 8, 8.1 or Windows 10 u can't use values lower than 0.05 in 99% of cases
because the sound system is different from XP
Delayed sounds is the cause of wrong value

IMPORTANT: like other Half-life commands..
if u use this command make the game smooth and perfect for small period.. then it starts to go like crap.. do not believe they have solved if you have a good feeling

skyscr3am on 4 Oct 2016

another interesting test is CHANGE sounds files completely..
i use in CS 1.6 cs:go sounds (all weapons)
when i put new sounds files to cs folder the game become PERFECT for 1-2 days
after go like crap..
the only way for me is to reduce Audio Buffer with the Alchemy
with this the game become and REMAINS perfect!
no other test I performed was successful

skyscr3am on 4 Oct 2016

I was wondering if you can test skyscr3am your soundcard without those settings
Buffers=1
Duration=5
MaxVoiceCount=64
DisableDirectMusic=1

and using only _snd_mixahead 0.05 to see if work in the same way than modify your audio settings? i will highly appreciate

CloudHaze on 4 Oct 2016

@venhyy

I never tested this upgrade. But this delay is a very well known issue in the satellite and audio industry. Every information must be perfectly sync to runs smoothly, and the piece of hardware who does that sync is the Main Clock. In fact, main clock is the heart of the system.

Since windows is a multi-thread operacional system, each thread must be sync before being processed by the CPU. And here is where our problem starts.

Did you guys notice how whenever you install a new driver or a full format, CS gets smoother for some time and gets worse again? This is probably something that reset in kernel, but due to the bad sync clock, the smoothness won't last too much.

xxxMarioxxx on 4 Oct 2016

👍1

alot of people says that msi mode give few fps more in csgo, but in cs 1.6 i don't think u will see the difference

lamapukas on 5 Oct 2016

@lamapukas ye MSI is good tweak, but not fix for problem
@xxxMarioxxx ye I mention it too. Fresh instal, new Windows account, new instal of game > CS runs playable, but then going bad after while. But find reasons is hardcore. Anyway this problem doesnt exist for every hardware, look pro streams. They dont have extreme PCs to achieve proper gameplay, for example ScreaM. Running on Z97-A i7 4770k 16GB 560Ti and he is absolutely fine. And I dont think he has some external oscillators soldered on his mobo. ^^

venhyy on 5 Oct 2016

@schoof Allright thanks dude, i've been following you and these threads for over a year now. And does your CS still feel butter smooth now? :)

nikooz on 5 Oct 2016

They don't play smooth CS unless they make a full format every 3 days. The only way i know that makes your computer run smoothly with a bad hardware is to format periodically. And not just that, but you have to use exclusively for CS and don't touch anything else. Even the browser can mess up your system.

xxxMarioxxx on 5 Oct 2016

@xxxMarioxxx Ahh never saw running pro streamer Chrome, facepalm.

venhyy on 5 Oct 2016

Don't let the 60 fps stream fool you. And don't be too confident on the pro players perception. Most of them won't realize the lack of smoothness and probably will say this is a placebo effect.

I'm gonna say it again. The only way to play smooth CS is to format windows every 3 days and don't touch anything else. Even the drivers must be installed before the first boot.

xxxMarioxxx on 5 Oct 2016

xxxMarioxxx I play for a 2weeks and smooth as butter, that is bullshit what u talk

lamapukas on 5 Oct 2016

Its mad idea if u think pro players format their PCs every week, they just keeping their pc clean. And dont told me about their lack of smoothnes. I know with proper tweaks there is allways possible to reach smoother framerates, but even tho they got pretty nice gameplay. Oneshots or spray controll pretty easy. They dont got same problem as me. Dont talk about smoothness please, I have rly no problem with smooth of game. Its smooth as butter in case of framerate and rendering (no fps jitter or tearing, even on 60Hz). Problem there is huge input lag and lack of responsivness, slow jumps, slow movement etc.. There is problem, atleast for me :/

venhyy on 5 Oct 2016

This is what a smooth gameplay looks like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YNHI1NjIdY

See? Fluid gameplay, very sharp image quality and instant reponse. This is what a smooth gameplay is all about. And lack of reaponsivness and slow jump are symptoms of the smoothness problem.

@lamapukas

I bet your CS is not running like the video i posted. Make an youtube video to prove your game is smooth, cause i bet it's not.

xxxMarioxxx on 5 Oct 2016

@xxxMarioxxx Ok sorry, then u are right. I thought we are just not saying about same thing, my bad.

venhyy on 5 Oct 2016

man it's frag movie it's recorded with 60fps/60hz or 100fps/100hz, I don't have time to download sony vegas and fraps to prove u that my game is smooth lol

lamapukas on 5 Oct 2016

@nikooz yes!

schoof on 5 Oct 2016

I really don't know how some people in cs 1.6 can beat me so easy, when i always have full optimized my pc and config... like: fresh install of windows even following r0ach guide:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and-mouse-response-bios-optimization-guide-for-modern-pc-hardware

plus among other tweaks like changing PCI interrupt to MSI, by getting all important Microsoft updates , by turning off Windows defender , by disabling windows update, by disabling unnecesary services, by cleaning temp files manually, by not using mouse drivers and setting lowest polling rate mouse laser from 1000mhz to 125 hertz (i read that cs 1.6 is not properly development for high polling rate) high performance battery, bios tweaks, everything (perfect) and cs 1.6 still feel like heavy or not okay... is painful....... :/ to play this game

hope we can do more tweaks or something x.x

CloudHaze on 6 Oct 2016

My conclusion is because i have (17-30 jittering pingtest.net) ? or because my latency is always between 56-70ms ? or because my upload-bandwitch is 15kb and download is 120kb?
Which i don't think upload-or download speed is the culprit because cs 1.6 is development to handle perfect 10kb dowload and 10upload from using 101 101 25mil rates, by checking net_graph is always 8kb downstream and upload is between 5kb-6kb so perfectly fine...

Or maybe its because i have LCD 2ms 75hz and not 100hz? i'm tired :/

CloudHaze on 6 Oct 2016

@CloudHaze well rates should be cmd105 upd102 100k after new update but anyway it will not change anything, i had mobo just like yours when i played cs 1.6 alot 2009-2013 and my cs was smooth like now, i think u do too much tweaks, if i was u, i would try to make CMOS,format,install win 7,install drivers with msi live updater,install newest realtek drivers,install nvidia 344.11 drivers and just don't tweak try to play like that see if something change(if not try to change HPET on/off bios and in OS), but if that will not change anything well i dont know then

dude if u play cs 1.6 with 50-70ping u can't hit anything..

lamapukas on 6 Oct 2016

@lamapukas
50-70 ping no hits? Lol
This is my ping on servers out of my country and i can easily make hs
Only High ping over 100-150 are like cheats in cs 1.6
Anyway my Windows 10 are really dirt.. full of apps installed and i Can play games perfectly smooth.. format for play is very Mad suggestion

skyscr3am on 6 Oct 2016

@skyscr3am really? i play with 5-20ping and its perfect when i try to play 40+ ping i see a huge difference when i spray/tap in cs 1.6, in csgo u can play with 50+ ping and see no difference.

lamapukas on 6 Oct 2016

To be honest lamapukas my tweaks so far are good to play games optimize, i already consult that in Overclock.net, Forum 3dguru ,because I've do clean windows install before, following instructions, and to be honest like XxMarioXx says is something related with Kernel.

but by formating every 3 days a Pc thats not healthy.

CloudHaze on 6 Oct 2016

@xxxMarioxxx Could u provide me link to topic about adding external crystal as mobo master clock ? Would rly appreciate that.

venhyy on 7 Oct 2016

I guess instead of doing a clean format every one day to our pc
Is better to do a back-up of Hal life 1 and Counter strike 1.6 every time you play a scrim or pug etc..

CloudHaze on 7 Oct 2016

Does anybody have tried before to play counter strike using virtual machine? like windows xp service pack 1 etc. lol

CloudHaze on 7 Oct 2016

@venhyy

Just search for Paul Pang clock upgrade and you'll see many audio foruns discussing.

@CloudHaze

That could work. Cause format computer everytime is a pain in the ass. If someone try this solution, please let us know

xxxMarioxxx on 7 Oct 2016

all this stuff (formating/reinstalling, virtual machine, different hardware & audio settings etc....) you guys are testing was already tested and discussed in the "cs isnt smooth" thread...

schoof on 8 Oct 2016

@schoof and then? also problems related to the connection had already spoken, but you have discovered the miraculous fix
Not all users have 5€ modem/router
then I think it is great to disable the connection to the entire house because I have to play counter-strike LOL

skyscr3am on 8 Oct 2016

@skyscr3am I dont think that by buying a modem/router will fix our problem, that's ridiculous
I guess is all about (Electrically issue, or maybe something related our ISP during the day, sometimes if i play at noon, even with stable ping things goes slow or laggy, but at 3-4 am i can have a smooth game, not 100% but more smooth, so is all about how saturated is our ISP during the day, among others things like (hardware related) Power saving features, hyper-threading, also good monitor hertz, with high responsive mili seconds to avoid (ghost) all that matter when playing competitive. also 0 Jittering is a key check pingtest.net for jittering

CloudHaze on 8 Oct 2016

Does anybody has tried before to dowload directx 9? instead of using directx 10-11 for a game like cs 1.6 which is using a direct of 0.9 direct 9?

Can someone test that? because i feel my game like slow even at new game offline steam... is like if im running game feel less than 100fps...

CloudHaze on 10 Oct 2016

Why are you guys trying to revive all of those useless solutions which
already has been brought years ago. Im sure scoofs idea is the only working
one here.

On 10 Oct 2016 3:56 AM, "Yuriy Yakimov" [email protected] wrote:

Does anybody has tried before to dowload directx 9? instead of using
directx 10-11 for a game like cs 1.6 which is using a direct of 0.9 direct
9?

Can someone test that? because i feel my game like slow even at new game
offline steam... is like if im running game feel less than 100fps...

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julius2k on 10 Oct 2016

@skyscr3am Tried your settings on Audigy FX and didnt make any significant improvement. Maybe recoil is faster but I think still inacurate. :/

venhyy on 12 Oct 2016

First of all, i want to say. You guys are awesome, iam really happy that this thread still exists and there are still peoples trying to figure out this problem origin.
I forgot my login, pw to this thread, im "makakin21" from cs isnt smooth thread.
For now and for last three days my games (goldsrc, source engine games) works like there is no problem for me right now, smooth render, excelent response from mouse and keyboard. . I posted many off potentional fixes that has been working for some while, before it gets crappy again, so i dont want to say im 100 % fine for now and future. Basically everytime when im not in job and when i am spending time with pc i was doing same stuff again like re-installing windows, trying different drivers, trying different os , trying different hardware and now i didnt do anything special. I just set many values from bios from Auto to manual values based on my cpu stock values., disabled all powersaving features including turbo boost, set cpu phases to extreme, disabled realtek audio (using usb headphones), disabled overclocking features , and then making new clean install of Windows 7. After then i installed realtek nic , restart pc, install mobo chipset only then restart again , installed nvidia drivers. After then i launched nvidia control panel and disabled display scaling. After that i tweaked my os little bit , like disabling windows updates + windows firewall + disabled high definition audio in device manager (it's still here even if you disabled it in bios). GoldSrc is running smooth and responsive like 6 years ago, i just must change my resolution to any 75hz supported res before i play because its seems like -freq not works anymore for me. (even if i have -freq 75 it will run in 60 hz when iam using 60 hz as my native resolution in windows). Source games (especialy csgo,) works like charm too. I really recommends this guide http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and-mouse-response-bios-optimization-guide-for-modern-pc-hardware which someone mentioned in this thread. If my games will stay smooth for ever i think the manual values and disabling also mobo overclocking and boost features not just powersaving can be real fix.

agendar on 12 Oct 2016

Agendar Glad to see you are here, welcome. And yeah I gotta admit those things that you've done in the past , most players has do already including me, which is wonderful, because thanks to this old Engine half life we are learned a lot of things related to GAMING, is like a gift the way every day we start to learn and deciphering things than can bring games to the next level in performance, 0 stuttering, responsive game and whatsoever, but yeah that Overlock guide is wonderful i've read before, also i made like 6-7 thread about that in Overlocknet, MSI, TomsHardware, among others forums

But gotta admit that this things so far have help me alot to achieve my gaming experience:

-By removing/turning off (virtualization, power things, that can slow our pc and aren't necessary for games, can improve a lot our game experience, because you know virtualization stands for (people with emulated hardware by using third-parties softwares like (Virtual-box) and stuff like that

-Also those power-feature (mentioned here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and-mouse-response-bios-optimization-guide-for-modern-pc-hardware) that help to reduce computer/laptop energy are very well designed or development to user who don't spend time in Gaming and they refuse to pay high taxes in Electricity among other things

- Third thing I've learn is that PCI DEVICES mentioned here: (http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=378044) which stands for hardware-components like: Hard-drive, Solid STATE DRIVE (SSD), Graphic Unit Processor (GPU), CPU, On-board Audio, On-Board Lan controllers, among other hardware that are (PCI) they are necessary to keep update at changes from LINE-BASEMENT to (MSI) interrumpt in order to have smooth gaming experience and pc experience, by stopping the (IRQ SHARING) that can generate conflict between hardware, pc-components

-Lastly but not less important, I figured no matter what drivers is using your monitor sometimes is good to have properly configured or monitor, and when talking about properly configured a good tool is: Custom Resolution Utiliy by Toastyx <-- this tool is very useful because it can help us to eliminated all resolutions from Windows, and keep the most precise resolutions sets, I finally can tell that is better to use the (LCD NATIVE RESOLUTIONS as desktop with the lowest hertz possible as example 60)
and in games like cs 1.6 example you guys can use the standart lcd resolutions like 640 to 1024 which is totally okay, i did made some runs and i can tell you guys, by using CRT tool, and setting
DETAILED RESOLUTION: 1680x1050 60hz as (LCD NATIVE)
and by setting: in standart resolutions 1024x768 75hz, finally i can play cs 1.6 within 1024 x768 75hz and in desktop 1680x1050 (game feels like smooth, even if you notice like interpolation is just wonderful, maybe i feel like not 100% smooth because of 75hz but it feels better than in the past

So thats all my humble methods, i really feel grateful to play cs 1.6 since 2006 november, because thanks to cs 1.6 I've get motivated to repair pc, fix pc, build pc among other stuff :)
But of course i'm always learning if tomorrow appear new method to improve cs 1.6 on non-gaming monitors, or methods to get better smooth experience like those things from (desktop hertz, ingame hertz, and bios settings, hardware things, lemme answer you: I'm in ^^,

CloudHaze on 13 Oct 2016

Looking at hardcore audiophiles forums I saw many people recommending Process Lasso. Did anybody test? They claim that it's not just another tweak tool. I can find VERY subtle difference between the spray and audio when the game is smooth vs game out of sync. Do someone feel the same?

andrelip on 13 Oct 2016

@andrelip Process Lasso is useless, atleast for me :/

venhyy on 13 Oct 2016

For everyone who wants share some experiencies or just talk about how your CS going bad :D. I dlike to invite you on discord group related to our topic. Anyone is welcome :)

https://discord.gg/zb9Tbdd

venhyy on 13 Oct 2016

Update: Now im now 200% sure its issue between onboard realtek chip and clock/powersaving settings.
My left speaker on my usb headset just died today so i was forced to use enable realtek onboard and plug my headphones with classic jack . And now game is running very weird, its smooth like the video render is smooth, but again with heavy movement feel, very delayed recoil like we all knows him plus i started to get fps drops, even tried to plug my usb headset again and try the game with no difference, but how was that possible i was running all games (i dont mean valve games only) for 5 days without any problem, same in day same in night. Well as i meantioned in last post, i tweaked so many things to manual values in bios, from clock values, ram values, disabled turbo, disabled overclocking features, disabled powersaving features, and of course disabled onboard sound, and even if i disabled it in bios and unplugged front panel from mobo, the driver keeps and keeps installing, but i've done one thing which i never did before i disabled Windows realtek drivers in device manager (because uninstall have no effect, windows keeps installing them after reboot even if its disabled in bios), i didn't plug out any sound device to my pc before i completly disabled realtek in windows , tweaked power savings in control panel and stuff like this. Then i rebooted and installed lan drivers , reboot , then i did some tweaks to ethernet controller like disabling stuff like green ethernet and things like this, rebooted again, installed chipset drivers rebooted again, downloaded nvidia drivers and installed them , reboot again, then i disabled display scaling (actually this is huge boost for me, just set it to no display scaling after you install drivers and never touch it again )in nvidia control panel and rebooted again, and after this reboot i plugged my usb headset and let windows install driver for them. Since then everything worked without any problem until today when i used realtek again. I think it is really important to make every install/ change , step by step, reboot after reboot. I had various "stages of smoothnes" during past 6 years (but i also changed a lot of hardware , amd and intel i had both computer setups) , sometimes the
game was smooth, easy to bhop easy to move a do shits but bullets was like i miss every second, and sometimes games was supershitty but the spray pattern and recoil was like there is no problem, and sometimes both together. And also my problem started in 2011 when i bought mobo with realtek chipset, because my older one mobo which i was using since it died was intel desktop board d875pbz which had absolutely no onboard sound, only onboard lan , i was using old sound blaster card and i never know about this problem. And for schoof, you know what is funny? In same time when i get my first mobo with realtek chipset my dad changed internet provider to much better optical internet (it was like 180 mbit dwnld, and 50 mbit upload, i had from like 2 to 10 ping to austrian servers (im from bratislava),and like 15-20 to germany servers, when i didnt had this problem and everything was fine even with higher latency like 40-60 germany. Paradox. Anyway, i will just wait to thursday until my usb sound card arrive, then i will reinstall win in same way i did this few days ago, im pretty much sure it doesnt matter if you are using pci or usb sound card im just now sure it can be fixed with by the installation process i meantioned in this and previous post, if i will had enought time i will make a video with comparsion then and after, and i will capture it with video camera so you can actually see difference. if someone wants, add me steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198003167822

agendar on 18 Oct 2016

Sounds good, and what is the fix again?
Did you wrote a guide to make fresh install or?
Without using onboard Sound?

nikooz on 18 Oct 2016

Guys I discovered how to turn the game butter smooth by accident. Just let LatencyMon running when you play the game! Don't know the logic or why it runs fine for the first time but it's definitely doing the trick and is very convenient to test... just a single alt-tab to turn it on and off. I also suggest to turn your sensitivity higher just to compare the fluidness doing a large movement.

andrelip on 7 Nov 2016

I have Realtek Chip on my Board, i tried without driver und with Realteak WHQL Driver, nothing changed

w4Ld1 on 8 Nov 2016

The solutions above, didnt fix the problem for me.
Same as always, it comes back after 2 days. Now 50% of my shots don't hit.
Should we make a huge reddit thread about this?
Im getting rly frustrated. :(

nikooz on 13 Nov 2016

well i formated my pc 4times(lol) last week and csgo was super smooth and no delay when I first launch it, but when i shutdown/restart it's back again i got laggy again that's a fucking mystery for me, I thought that I fixed this problem well for cs 1.6 i really fixed it by installing latest realtek drivers it really worked, but for csgo it's doesn't change anything..

lamapukas on 21 Nov 2016

I think i fixed my problem for csgo i did like this: made CMOS,updated bios,disabled all power saving/management features only turned on turbo boost,cpu power phase to extreme and cpu loadline calibration to 9. And in csgo i use speakers not headphones(i don't know if it that changes something but its ok), now game is muuuuch muuuch smooooooooother..

lamapukas on 23 Nov 2016

For how days it worked? Sounds like it will return

nikooz on 23 Nov 2016

Many'

nikooz on 23 Nov 2016

Are you literally using speakers? 😄

nikooz on 23 Nov 2016

@nikooz well i fixed it yesterday today its still super smooth, no im using headphones but in csgo-> audio settings i changed to speakers

lamapukas on 23 Nov 2016

@lamapukas Still smooth? and what is CMOS?

Just bought 144hz, but still have input delays:(

nikooz on 28 Nov 2016

@nikooz yeah everything is smooth, google it. I think when i changed power phase to extreme that fixed my problem for csgo

lamapukas on 28 Nov 2016

Does anybody can try to use a Speakers instead of headphones in cs 1.6? My game feels very smooth when using Speakers instead, whys that?

whenever i connect speakers in rear pannel, my realtelk HD reconogize as headphones which is totally fine but in my recording audio options appears an icon of (SPEAKERS) but as i said game feel so smooth"?

Then when i connect in my rear pannel the headphones is the same its recognize as headphones, and in the audio or sound options headphones still recognize as speakers...

Anyway can someone try to play cs 1.6 with speakers? i dont knw why but game feel better, but is very boring to play with speakers..

CloudHaze on 29 Nov 2016

@CloudHaze probably because whe u use speakers u put less impedance (ohm Ω) to audio output
check your speakers or hearphones technical sheet

skyscr3am on 29 Nov 2016

@skyscr3am

These are my Headphone Genius HS-300A, Silver , the most cheaper manufactured headphone genius ever lol :|

I don know what brand or model are my speakers but all i know is:
Speakers Diamon:
037030067659
SP-1900AUCK, made in china
Speakers Max audio power 360 w
Input voltage: AC 110v
Frequency: 60hz
Electrci Current 250mA

motherboard MSI H55m-e33

I dont know if you can help me, hehe

CloudHaze on 29 Nov 2016

@skyscr3am well i checked my technical sheet for my headphone and these are the specifications:

headphone:

Sensitivity 108Db +/- 3DB
Frequency Response 20khz/20khz
Unit Driver φ 30mm
Impedance 32 ohm

CloudHaze on 1 Dec 2016

Damn i followed this thread when it was on steam in 2009 now it's 2016 and still have this problem :(
I done literally anything.. Do you know how much you dissapoint when you buy new pc and you think recoil will be good and you start the game and its shit and random :(
And what is more interesting is that i have this problem even OFFLINE but in first pc everything worked good with bots ...

Kosta4934 on 4 Dec 2016

The problem is not internet, but what the hell is then?

Kosta4934 on 4 Dec 2016

@Kosta4934 I know it sucks, i've tried everything, but i know my problem is something

related to (1 mouse) (Audio) or that i dont have yet a monitor 100hz or 120hz

-Because i've tested everything, updated al drivers very well 100% and changed to PCI MSI
-Turned all bios things (saving features, hiper threading) SSD healthy 100% Hard-drive good 100%
-All updates through WSUS OFFLINE<--- from windows to my windows 8.1 very updated
-All services Tweaked turned off (Firewall, Defender, Search, Updates, Among other stuff)
-By setting high performance battery plan a better plan from (overclockers.net)
-By installing properly Nvidia driver using 7zip, to install only appropiated drivers
-By Tweaking Regedit windows (Tcp optimizer)
-By Tweaking Windows with Custom Resolution Tool xy Toastyx, setting monitor high hertz 75
-By Configuring Regedit to improve MSQM, GPU, MEMORY
-BY changing pagefile from SDD to Hard-Drive
-BY disabling High Precision Even Timer, through Windows-bios
-BCdedit Enable dynamick things and stuff..
Woah alot of healthy tweaks that i've apply to my pc has ben worked but not 100%

cs 1.6 still having something related to (Speakers or Headphone) or Mouse issues :/

CloudHaze on 4 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze Wow i feel sorry for you, i tried all those things like you.. literally all. I can say it's not mouse issue for sure! I changed 3 mouses and it doesn't work, and its not monitor i changed 1 monitor. I know cause a lot of other people said that they had 120-144hz and it still doesnt work . :(

And what is more funny/sad is that like 1 month ago when i started working on this fix i done some steps (not hard steps i can't remember) i think it was launch options and i deleted some file in cs and recoil was perfect.
Bullets were going straight and registry was perfect, i was so happy i played like 5h without pause and i was so tired that i just turned off pc without seeing what was the problem and fall asleep. Now i regret..

Kosta4934 on 4 Dec 2016

It comes to my mind.. i think :/
I deleted something in CS and put something in launch options, and only thing i noticed that changed is obviously good recoil but one thing that was wierd is that when i fixed it, kill hud was different.
kill hud is this: http://i.imgur.com/TyPKTlN.png
It was kinda old looking, idk how to express myself right English is not my first language :/
It's not custom.hpk or client.dll

EDIT: The only possible fix is to download Client.dll from 1.5 or Deleted Scenes and put it in CS1.6 and see if it works.. some people think that problem is in client.dll but why other people don't have it then?

Kosta4934 on 4 Dec 2016

@Kosta4934 I dont think that the client.dll would be a fix, thats kinda illegal...

And i remember that those killer hud, was because of gl_spriteblend or cl_gaitestimation or gl_picmip 3

CloudHaze on 5 Dec 2016

When you change something, recoil becomes good for a game or two, and goes back to unsmooth. I've also had issue for 6 years, tried everything, 3 different appartments, 2-3 pcs and monitors...

nikooz on 5 Dec 2016

This problem is so annoying and misterious, i would love to fix this and see what was the problem.

This may seem stupid but do you guys ever wonder that Valve did this problem on porpouse se players could move to Global Offensive? I mean it would be good reason for them cause 90% CS1.6 players are no-steamers

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

They have no profit of them

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

I think switching to Windows-XP will solve all problems in cs1.6

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

This happends also In CS GO

nikooz on 5 Dec 2016

There is no proof that this happen in csgo.. its just a placeboo there

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

This cs 1.6 problem came before CS:GO like in Finals of 2008, october etc...

CloudHaze on 5 Dec 2016

Now its confusing

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

Do you want to play so we can test our recoil?

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

I cant really play right now ISP is trolling me with the (jittering)
But Kosta have you try to update your PC DRIVERS and conver to MSI?

This is a special web-site wether you will find special last firm-ware or drivers to your sistem

http://www.station-drivers.com/index.php?lang=en

Also if you dont know what is MSI or LINEBASEMENT go here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=378044

CloudHaze on 5 Dec 2016

I'm not really into installing drivers, can you help me? I have old intel chipset GPU if that helps

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

I updated drivers for Keyboard and i could easly bhop but problem is that i can't find right and newest drivers cause my pc is so old it runs out of suppot on Intel page, and all those Driver Update softwares are scam

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

Hello @Kosta4934, what OS (e.g. Windows 7 64 bit) are you on and what Intel cpu model is in your system?

Tele42 on 5 Dec 2016

Yeah tell us what is your motherboard? olso open (DEVICE MANAGER), or dowload CPU Z<--- in order to know your Mother-Board specifications and model

CloudHaze on 5 Dec 2016

blob:http://imgur.com/f44942b7-259f-4d85-8d9a-52d5e0c6c65b
This is in Device Manager > System Devices

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

http://imgur.com/a/LhTB9
broken photo, sorry here's new one

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

@Tele42 Hello, here you go

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

Please Kosta4934 try to write in a one text/commentary , this is not a (messenger) heheh.

CloudHaze on 5 Dec 2016

Sorry i know i just used to text like this on fb, skype lol

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

Okay @Kosta4934, for the information provided, we know you have a GMA 3100 of the third generation of Intel graphics (Directx 9.0c/OpenGL 1.4). Since you did not provide what OS you are using I can't give you a direct link to what is the newest driver for you, but it should be one of the drivers listed at http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/graphics-drivers/legacy-graphics/graphics-drivers-for-intel-g31-express-chipset.html.

Tele42 on 5 Dec 2016

@Tele42 Thanks i'll check this now, and im using Windows 7 32bit.

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

It didn't fixed my problem i already done this step, i guess my drivers were up to date already..

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

That's it, im not going to waste my time anymore to fix this annoying problem. Thanks to everyone involved in this, schoof and all of you guys.

I'll just save my money and buy new pc for csgo and enjoy the game :)
Cheers

Kosta4934 on 5 Dec 2016

@Kosta4934 sorry to dissapointing you, but CS:GO has issues too, Ill i can say Kosta4934 Try to make your modern pc into (old pc) by turning feature settings on bios, settings like (Hyper Threading) that counter 1.6 doesn't use, or saving features, by Dowload Nvidia inspector and turning off the (Power feature on Nvidia by setting to maximum performance

Yesterday i helped a friend which was complaining of playing at 300fps but feeling the game like at 30 fps, so i just configure his pc, by setting to 60hz laptop, and putting on maximum performance video gpu, plus putting high performance battery , then he was so happy :)

CloudHaze on 5 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze I never had this problem in CSGO and i never seen someone have it(video)
Thanks for your help but my pc doesn't need tweaks cause it's already trash, and that thing for NVIDIA is not possible im not using laptop and i don't have NVIDIA parts..

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze Wait, did you fix your cs with that thing?

I dont need tweaks to help me a bit nor i have times for that, i need 100% fix :/

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

@Kosta4934 don't be negativity bro, by the way do you have facebook or steam? so we can talk through steam, to see if i can help you :)
Steam profile, mine is haze, i dont like to give my user ID but there you can add me and talk.
Or invite you to discord channel:
https://discord.gg/zb9Tbdd
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197986101135/

CloudHaze on 6 Dec 2016

No bro im just talking real im not negative.. you have fb? It's easier to talk there

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze I'm not dramatising im just being real. If this problem is not fixed for 8-10 years, do you really think we will fix it now? Sure i would love to fix it with you guys, I'm waiting for someone to say "I have finally fixed it" but it seems impossible :/

Edit: I changed 3 PC's and on all of them i had this problem, im starting to believe that Valve cursed me lol

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

@cloudhaze Same for me.. so annoying!
Im running out of clues.
I dont believe its the router. Cus it works fine for a While When something is changed.

nikooz on 6 Dec 2016

@nikooz believe me it's not router i have this problem in offline mode with bots

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

It's motherboard, Windows 7 or Gpu/CPU problem that is caussing this shity recoil. period
(If some of you know how to install Windows XP without CD or USB i would love to know how)

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

I'm kinda dissapointed in 1.6 community, this game is here for so long and even this day there is still around 80 000 people playing including steamers and no steamers. And no one find solution for this problem or even tried.. There is around 100 pages on steam about this problem but most of those answers are from same people and im sure more people have this problem but just don't give a fuck and play like newb.

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

I had this problem since windows xp, so it is not windows 7 fault. It is something related to motherboard master clock and/or power quality. But i know a way you can play Cs smoothly:
1- Format windows
2 - Install all drivers before the first boot, when windows setup asks for
3 - don't install anything else than CS
4 - don't touch anything, don't upgrade anything, don't open your browser, etc.

With this guide you get Cs smoothly for 1 week. After that you have to format again.

xxxMarioxxx on 6 Dec 2016

@xxxMarioxxx That's stupid and it doesn't work , i had my new fresh install of Windows 7 like 1 week ago, ultra version and it still didn't work my recoil was shity

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

No one is active here.. im leaving

Kosta4934 on 6 Dec 2016

Guys wish me luck, i have like super recoil and registry i just did this:

Put this in launch options
-noforcemparms -noforcemaccel -noforcemspd +gl_ansio 0 -dxlevel 70 -heapsize 512000
And put this in userconfig.cfg
rate 25000
cl_rate 9999
cl_latency -21
cl_updaterate 101
cl_cmdrate 101
cl_resend 2
cl_cmdbackup 2
cl_dlmax 76
fps_max 99
cl_mousegrab "1"
gl_vsync "0"
gl_ansio "0"
cl_smoothing 0
gl_ansio "0"
cl_nosmooth 1
cl_smoothtime 0
cl_vsmoothing 0
cl_shadows 0
cl_weather 0
-heapsize 512000
ati_npatch "1.0"
ati_subdiv "2.0"

ati_npatch "1.0"
ati_subdiv "2"

ati_npatch "0"
ati_subdiv "0"

And make sure you have ex_interp on 0.01

EDIT: Nah recoil is still kinda sloppy but it makes cs 50% better

Kosta4934 on 8 Dec 2016

To be honest guys, I Guess I finally addres the problem with Windows and Counter-Strike, It is something related to Jittering CPU, Spikes, even if we have 0% cpu usage, some windows host procces can be messing with cpu interrupts and causing rcoil or bullets go slow

I was seeing my Task Manager among the (Performance tab) in windows 8.1 pro btw I changed to the old Window 7 manager, and as I say I finally addres the culprit/problem. Seems like is some (Sychost.exE) Procces that interrupt game, and in order to check that thing, you need to open Task-Manager, rigth click in one of --> sychost.exe then select "Go to Service", and the only that is causing that problem is one that has:

Sychost.exe (11.000kb) of use or even less and its addres by these service:
-Microsoft Account Sing-in Assistant
-Windows Managament Instrumentation
-Themes
-Shell hardware detection
-System Event Notification
-Task Scheduler
-User Profile Service
-Server
-IP HELPER
-IKE and AuthIP IPsec Keying Modules

All you need to do is always shutdown that Sychost.exe, because even when you open a Game it will (Reload) so always keep in mind close that sychost, and you will notice game less stuttering, more operative :)

CloudHaze on 8 Dec 2016

My cpu usage is around 0% and 30% when playing CS and i don't even have sychost.exe

Kosta4934 on 8 Dec 2016

I have only 3-4 process running and currently i have 0% cpu usage and 10% while running cs and i set cs1.6 to high priority and nothing, recoil maybe even worse! Damn fuck this shit

Kosta4934 on 8 Dec 2016

Anyone know is this problem occuring on CS:Deleted Scenes too? I didn't had this problem in Source

EDIT: Just downloaded Counter-Strike 1.5 and i had same recoil problem.. man what a dissapointed it's not Valve fault.. our pc is not made for Counter Strike and that's it

Kosta4934 on 8 Dec 2016

@Kosta4934 how's that possible lol? no sychost.exe running over you computer? thats weird make you sure that in window task manager the (Show procces from all users) is thicked.. in order to see all process.... because thats weird.. whats your operative system (OS)? windows xp? 7, 8 or 10?

CloudHaze on 8 Dec 2016

I only have svhost.exe's not Y

nikooz on 8 Dec 2016

Yeah is svhost.exe sorry for the (Sychost) misswrited

CloudHaze on 8 Dec 2016

Allright.
Do you guys also have slow buymenu when using mouse? after i press there goes ½ a sec, before i get my gun etc.

nikooz on 8 Dec 2016

@nikooz lol yes and also this problem affect on enemy movement, enemies kill us before we can eve react i always use /hp when die and you'll notice that in 90% player give you instant headshoot you cant even react

Kosta4934 on 8 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze Lol sorry. But i tried and it didn't fixed recoil its dam same :/
@nikooz @CloudHaze do you guys have Facebook? If you have add me: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009894180745 i don't want to spam here, if you want we can start group chat it's easier..

Kosta4934 on 8 Dec 2016

I added you, my name is Nicolai.

nikooz on 8 Dec 2016

@nikooz Alright i accepted

Kosta4934 on 8 Dec 2016

This is not Valve's fault. This problem occur in all games and even on windows environment. As i said, this is a clock resolution problem in the motherboard that induces jitter in system. It is a combination of cheap clock with bad power quality.

xxxMarioxxx on 9 Dec 2016

@xxxMarioxxx I don't think so, if that's the solution, why there's not jittering option over bios or windows to handle that issues according to Motherboard Clock? it should have an option to check that thing..

But if you are telling me that you managed to solved the problem then tell me how to properly figured about the jittering in my motherboard hehe :) i can see is something related to (CPU) jittering

Just created a bat with the name of cpugaming.bat
Inside that text add these cvars: ,

pause
net stop "AVSync Manager"
net stop "Automatic Updates"
net stop "Computer Browser"
net stop "Cryptographic Services"
net stop "Distributed Link Tracking Client"
net stop "Help and Support"
net stop "Logical Disk Manager"
net stop "Messenger"
net stop "Print Spooler"
net stop "Protected Storage"
net stop "Server"
net stop "Shell Hardware Detection"
net stop "System Event Notification"
net stop "System Restore Service"
net stop "Task Scheduler"
net stop "TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper"
net stop "Themes"
net stop "Upload Manager"
net stop "WebClient"
net stop "Windows Image Acquisition (WIA)"
net stop "Windows Management Instrumentation"
net stop "Windows Time"
net stop "Workstation"
net stop "System Event Notification"
net stop "COM+ Event System"
net stop "Network Connections"
net stop "Network Location Awareness (NLA)"
net stop "Remote Access Auto Connection Manager"
net stop "SSDP Discovery"
net stop "Function Discovery Resource Publication"
net stop "IPsec Policy Agent"
net stop "Base Filtering Engine"
net stop "Diagnostic Policy Service"
net stop "Network Connected Devices Auto-Setup"
net stop "Network Location Awareness"
net stop "RPC Endpoint Mapper"
exit

After adding these cvars, just open counter strike 1,6 and execute the file as administrador, just press Y, when it ask to you.

Then after playing the game you can make a second bat file like cpugamingdisable.bat
To active back all the services..

pause
net start "AVSync Manager"
net start "Automatic Updates"
net start "Computer Browser"
net start "Cryptographic Services"
net start "Distributed Link Tracking Client"
net start "Help and Support"
net start "Logical Disk Manager"
net start "Messenger"
net start "Print Spooler"
net start "Protected Storage"
net start "Server"
net start "Shell Hardware Detection"
net start "System Event Notification"
net start "System Restore Service"
net start "Task Scheduler"
net start "TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper"
net start "Themes"
net start "Upload Manager"
net start "WebClient"
net start "Windows Image Acquisition (WIA)"
net start "Windows Management Instrumentation"
net start "Windows Time"
net start "Workstation"
net start "System Event Notification"
net start "COM+ Event System"
net start "Network Connections"
net start "Network Location Awareness (NLA)"
net start "Remote Access Auto Connection Manager"
net start "SSDP Discovery"
net start "Function Discovery Resource Publication"
net start "IPsec Policy Agent"
net start "Base Filtering Engine"
net start "Diagnostic Policy Service"
net start "Network Connected Devices Auto-Setup"
net start "Network Location Awareness"
net start "RPC Endpoint Mapper"
exit

thats it, test that and tell me if you notice a better gaming experience :)

CloudHaze on 9 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze
" I don't think so, if that's the solution, why there's not jittering option over bios or windows to handle that issues according to Motherboard Clock? it should have an option to check that thing.."

There is no jitter option over bios or windows because this is not something you could fix by software. Your CPU and memory are running based on a 25 mhz oscillator embedded in motherboard. They call it base clock or BCLK. This clock must be replaced in order to achieve better stability and better time resolution of the system.

xxxMarioxxx on 9 Dec 2016

@xxxMarioxxx So what we can do to fix or solve this problem? I really like to do research about computer performance when comes to use a pc for gaming, ^^, by the way are you latino?

I really want to do more research about that thing you explained, (Cpu and memory oscillator embedded in motherboard 25mhz) i have a MSI h55m-e33 motherboard was wondering if i can reach to that oscillator, if there exist any tricks or ways to changes things.

CloudHaze on 9 Dec 2016

But how did i played it normal like 6 years ago with my trash pentium pc? Sorry im not really into pc stuff

Kosta4934 on 9 Dec 2016

Is there any possibility to fix this @xxxMarioxxx

Kosta4934 on 9 Dec 2016

Kosta when did you start to facing or having this uncomfortable situation ? I mean when you start to having these problems ? Like bad Rcoil, slow jump , choppy fps or game play ?

CloudHaze on 12 Dec 2016

did someone tried my solution? because its running still great for me over
month

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agendar on 12 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze Man it was always like this, i probably didn't know. But i think i didn't have this problem like 6 year ago on my laptop and now on same laptop i have this problem.. and now on my pc is same

Kosta4934 on 12 Dec 2016

@agendar Sorry but where's fix?

Edit: I found it but i did fresh install had all those tweaks and game runs better but still recoil is crap, random and movements are heavy. I want to have 100% from the game

Kosta4934 on 12 Dec 2016

@agendar im gonna try out your fix after Christmas. Sounds really plausible

nikooz on 12 Dec 2016

@nikooz i tried it doesn't work

Kosta4934 on 12 Dec 2016

Save for new pc all that stuff doesn't work and make sure when buying new pc to buy from someone who doesn't have this problem. This thread should be closed

Kosta4934 on 12 Dec 2016

Why would we close this thread? this thread is usefull just don't spamm alot, ty hehe.

@xxxMarioxxx Could you please teach me, how to install drivers before first boot of windows? like installing drivers during windows installation?, I would love to as example before first boot, to managed to install all drivers and set mode (MSI) before first windows boot is that possible????????

And by the way do you guys think that, half life or counter strike 1.6 does use One cpu core? or dual core?

CloudHaze on 12 Dec 2016

i will write it simple, this is the Way i removed this problem.: Go for
maximum performance settings in bios, disable every powersaving , disable
turbo mode, tweak your voltages , cpu cachio rate to max settings u can
handle but if u dont dont want to overclock just set it manually to default
standart value based on your cpu. (like cpu voltage for example) , try to
tweak every value which is setted as Auto to manual writed value.Then
another very important part is disabling onboard audio which is in 95 %
case realtek hd audio device. After you tweaked your bios and you disabled
onboard audio make a clean install of windows but before that unplug every
audio device like headsets and speakers . After you do that install a clean
windows copy -> go to windows\system32\drivers and delete hdaudbys.sys ,
you will need to disable trustinstaller service and i really dont want to
explain this, without this service disabled you will be not to able to
delete sys files from drivers32 folder.This is the way you must do it
tinyurl.com/jz98ev4. After u do that go device manager -> audio settings
and disable and delete High Definition Audio Controler , then also go to "
System Devices and find that service too but in this you will just only
disable it (if u delete that, windows will install this service again after
next reboot), go to control panel to Power Options-> Choose [Balanced]
->Change plan settings -> Change advanced power settings and switch from
[Balanced] to [High Performance] -> Usb settings -> Usb selective suspend
setting and disable it then also go to Processor power managment and make
sure that you have minimum processor state on 100 %, system cooling policy
active and maximum processor state active on 100 %.. Save the settings and
restart the pc then install drivers , i suggest to you install drivers one
by one meaning restart after every driver installed, last one should be gpu
drivers. After you installed every drivers reboot the pc and after that go
to Nvidia Control Panel -> Manage 3D settings-> Global Settings -> Power
management mode -> Prefer maximum performance, then go back to Display->
Adjust desktop size and position and set Scaling to "No scalling" and
reboot. After you do that plug your plug your usb headset. If you have also
speakers i suggest you to buy cheap (or better) usb sound card, Right click
on volume ikon in your taskbar and select Playback devices. Find your
audio device you are using it should be named "Speakers USB Audio Device"
right click on it to Properties -> Enhancements and select Disable all
enhancements then go to -> Advanced and disable the "Allow applications to
take your exlusive control of this device" and reboot pc again. Then
install steam , install csgo without any launch options and launch it. Let
the game load and then quit your game and set your launch options like
resolution and other stuff. For example my launch options are "-w 1280 -h
960 -refresh 75 -threads 4 -high -novid". Then launch the game again and
set your other options like graphics (iam using all low except Shadows and
also be sure you have enabled multicore rendering, then tweak your other
settings like crosshair , mouse sens , hud.... After you checked you have
tweaked every settings restart the pc again and after that try your csgo
again. For me iam still good for almost 1.5 months. Later on i will post my
windows uefi bios settings using following setup: mobo: asus h97m-e, gpu:
asus gtx 960 turbo 2gb , 8gb 1600 mhz ram, intel i5 4460, 550w psu. Its
important to do every i meantioned and i grants you to play without
problem, but it will take some little bit more time than just standart fast
reinstall.

agendar on 12 Dec 2016

@agendar Nicely written bro, but i've tweaked already my motherboard, entirely except touching (cpu voltages, gpu voltages, or ram voltages) i'm very scared of touching that hehhe, but beside that, i've tweak everything, by setting from auto to manual, by achieving a better system performance

I have a MSI-H55M-e33(7636) so i've updated already, but no touching any voltages

The thing is i don't have external SOUND-CARD so i can't disable my Onboard-audio which it sucks :D xD
By the way

go to windows\system32\drivers and delete hdaudbys.sys , <-- do you think the HDaudby.sys is the problem, related to audio? because i know my hdaudbys.sys does cause high DPC latency, but is not sharing ISRQ thanks to MSI drivers realtek hehe ^^, So, seems like you managed to fix your CS:GO problem rigth? can you try to play cs 1.6 ? to see if you notice a better improvement?

CloudHaze on 12 Dec 2016

@Kosta4934 https://github.com/Kosta4934 I bet you didnt read my post
full, i made it again , but if you dont care keep crying over this
problem.I tried to fix that problem since 2011 and for past 1.5 year i was
trying to look for fix like everytime i had free day, except when i was in
job or if i just went out, or just had no time for pc. It may be look
little bit dificult but it works perfect for me, just dont be lazy to read
or try. If u tried every what others suggests you then why not me.

agendar on 12 Dec 2016

@agendar If your solution worked on you, it doesn't mean it will work on every computer. As far as i know this thread is about 1.6 not about CSGO..

Kosta4934 on 12 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze I already asked you to join me and nikooz to group chat.. No offense bro but how can you find solution to this problem by being inactive for 3 days lol

Kosta4934 on 12 Dec 2016

@Kosta4934 Can you try to put in launch options -noborder and set in game counter strike 1.6 to run in window mode? , to see if game performance more smooth? Just try it .

CloudHaze on 12 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze Nah still ugly recoil

Kosta4934 on 13 Dec 2016

I'm just pissed off i still getting (VISUAL LAG) like if i were playing under 50fps , but its weird, sometimes i reboot twice my pc and everything goes smooth ... also i was thinking about some electrical issue.. like if you shut-down your pc around 7-8 hours and power on, you play the first 2 maps in counter strike everything is amazing, but suddenly game start to suck ..... is like something with POWER, even in high performance BIOS 0% saving feature PSU, 0 % saving feature windows, something goes wrong!! x.x

CloudHaze on 13 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze I'm telling you, there is no fix for this bro.

Kosta4934 on 13 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze We are crazy for doing all those stuff that have nothing to do with recoil in game, i seen many people play with Pentium 4 without any tweak(Vsync On), +70 ping and still have great recoil.

Edit: You have only visual lag, lol what?

Kosta4934 on 13 Dec 2016

@kosta4934, it's common sense, do you know why those old pc players with pentium 4, has better rcoil than most of us right? it is because, those old motherboard running on pentium 4, doesnt have those new features bios options like (POWER C1-C2,C3 STATES,) or Hiper-threading enable, or intel speedstep, or turbo-boss, or cpu equalizer, among others thing, also those pentium 4 were made to run cs 1.6 in the decade of 2000-2010, so thats answer your (question,doubt etc)

And yeah i got (VISUAL LAG) when you got visual lag, you see everything pretty choppy, like framerates even at 100fps looks like 40-50, bad rcoil, slow rcoil, game is not 100% operative, when a he-grenade blows, you can see the particles, burning, in slow motion even those (Sprites) of slow motion can blind you, when shotting an enemy in front of you 1vs1 for example: you throw them an HE nade, it took a WHILE TO BLOW, also it has like slow motion, explotion that, cover enemies and you barely can't see them, hard to explain :D XD

CloudHaze on 13 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze If that's the reason i have my old Pentium 4 with Windows XP in my hometown, i will be there for New Year so i will let you know if there cs works fine..

And i totally understand you man but you are saying it's just visual right? If the problem doesn't affect your gameplay then you are good. I know what are you talking about: These are my problems
-Bad recoil
-Heavy movements(Like Source Engine)
-Slow Bhop
-Bad registry
-HE Grenades are in slow motion
-Flash Grenades rarely flash someone
-Choppy gameplay overall(Too smooth)

Kosta4934 on 13 Dec 2016

And textures is messed up, blinky and messy for your eyes right?

nikooz on 13 Dec 2016

I doesn't look sharp even when using all high quality textures and gl_picmip 0

Kosta4934 on 13 Dec 2016

If it doesn't look (Sharp or crisp ) it is because you guys are playing on a LCD which it has a bad downsampling or scaling, better is to use a LED monitor or CRT. in case you guys want 640x480 ingame.

For LCD: as example if you guys wanted to play sharp quality and have a good crosshair like 640x480 its simple

All you need is to pick your native resolution in windows desktop as example 1920x1080
Then compared to 4:3 resolutions of cs 1.6
640/x480 = 1.333 ratio
800/x600 =1.333 ratio
1024/x768= 1.333 ratio
Now lets say you guy have 1920x1080, then just multiply 1.333*1080=
Thats like 1440x1080 custom resolution = 4:3 in this way you guys will be able to play sharp as 640x480 by using black bars

In my case my resolution is 1680x1050 so 1.333*1050= 1400x1050 thats what im using in game.

CloudHaze on 13 Dec 2016

@CloudHaze Man the graphics are least important for me, and no i changed 3 monitors, CRT with 60-75hz now currently im using LCD but it have nothing to do with it..

Kosta4934 on 13 Dec 2016

hey happy new year to everyone, i think the real problem not only related to counter strike it is because of a electricall power dirtie, yeah... I've notice days like sunday while people is sleeping at 9 am, computers seems more operative, or as example monday or tuesday or any week day, at 2-4 am pc starts getting more operative, seems that at that time, the electrically power became less dirtie, and motherboard oscillator gets better and windows perform a exackt clock 1ms or close to 1ms 1.2 1.4 etc

You can read here:
I'll try to explain. The grid is usually full of noises coming from other electronic devices. This problem become worse if your outlet isn't grounded and your wires are old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3QJ7epzs0

Computers and Home Theaters are very sensible equipments. They use oscillators to control the flow of data that travels throught the board. These oscillators can also be used as timers, as they produce a fixed frequency.

For exemple, when a program requests a fast time, like 1ms, windows uses a crystal oscillator embedded in motherboard as reference to calculate this time. The more precise the frequency, the closer will be the time of 1ms.

So here is our problem. Windows receives a message to throttle but can not delivery a precise time. And this affect the performance as a whole, including video and audio. This problem is called time drift (or jitter).

Oscillators are very sensible to electric noises. So it's importante to properly filter the energy that feeds your circuits.

Did you ever notice how the performance gets better during the night (after mid night) ? That's because the grid is more clean during this time.

If you don't have a good power conditioner, start to making some basic tests like pluging your system in a grounded outlet. This may help a little. But i strongly suggest you to plug your PC in a power conditioner to see the diferences. You don't need to buy one at first, you can go to a store and ask for a test.

Not everyone has this issue because there are couple of Gaming Motherboard that has 4 oscillators that prevent power grid become corrupt...

CloudHaze on 16 Jan 2017

Hello guys, new here. First time participating in these topics...
I'm writing from a PC which is affected of all the symptoms you widely described over the years. (offline lag, stuttering, choppiness, warping etc.)
I started playing Half-Life for the first time back in 99. Went through all the CS saga and still playing CS 1.6, the best FPS game ever imo.
Anyway, to cut it short, I decided to sign up here because I am determined to solve this problem, and I wont surrender until I fix my beloved game.
Now, the curios part in my situation is that this problem occurred to me for the first time only 1 year and a half ago. In other words, my game was running perfectly fine until spring 2015. How do I know that you might ask? Well, lately my game became so sloppy and laggy that I couldn't take it anymore so I decided to find out what is going on. What I did was going back in time watching my old demos until I found the last one where CS was running perfectly smooth! And, that last one was recorded precisely in May 2015. At that point I started thinking...WHAT DID I CHANGE IN THAT PERIOD THAT COULD AFFECT SO DRAMATICALLY MY GAME? And immediately I remembered that in that exact moment I changed THE POWER SUPPLY. Basically my original power supply simply died so I had to change it with a new one. But was it actually new? I don't know...my "trusted" pc expert just installed me a different one saying my PC could run with it as well. It cost me (25euro).
Anyway, from the first start with this power supply I immediately noticed it was much louder, it sounded "heavier"...seemed almost like it was struggling, like it is executing some heavy demanding operation. I can't explain it, but I simply didn't have a good feeling about this from the get go. But since during that period I stopped playing CS to dedicate myself to other things in life I couldn't detect the problem immediately. In fact I restarted playing cs again towards the end of the year. And I suppose I couldn't notice the problem right away cause playing online I was convinced it was the usual online lag, since I got a terrible internet connection as well. And also because it is a "bastard problem" many people wouldn't/couldn't even acknowledge. But the moment I played offline for the first time with bots I felt immediately something isn't right. Every movement felt "heavy", non-responsive, laggy, slow...really weird. Trying to shoot while jumping, walking or strafing would make my bullets fly all over the place...but again...distracted from the problems of life I moved on without focusing too much on it. But also, something curios would happen from time to time...basically when rebooting after long sessions on the pc I would occasionally get "CPU Temperature Overload" message --> Press F1 to resume. That's what I pressed and once again moved on without paying too much attention.
However, this is not the only thing that happened in that period...........AUDIO....AUDIO...AUDIO....I started getting some dll. errors when trying to execute an enhancing audio software which goes by the name of "SoundMax" (it comes with the installation CD for my ASUS MB, yes, once again Asus mentioned on here). I ignored those as well until recently when I couldn't accept anymore how shit my CS had become. So what I did now was removing all the audio "enhancing" softwares and installing my default audio drivers. CS runs ok now, but is faaar away from being how it should be.
By the way, I want to advice all the people who intend to by an external sound card especially for CS to NOT DO IT. You will waste your money. You would basically plug the external interface by a USB or Firewire into your pc and then plug your headphones in the sound card. This will increase even more the delay in your game, believe me...been there done that. What I learned in these last two months is that CS runs better with the most basic settings you could configure. Plug your headphones in the front panel for the optimal experience.

What I need to do now is bring my PC back to the tech guy and explain him this exact problem. I need to hook him on the issue and force him to solve this issue for me. I will tell him that I need my old power supply back! At least the name/model so that I could purchase it again! Also, I will request from him to clean up my pc off all the dust it accumulated over the years piece by piece and to reinstall everything and configure it for the best possible gaming experience.

This was my little input to this forum. I hope that through sharing my experience I can help to revive this topic. Guys, never surrender. We will eventually come on top of it. We will solve it, believe me!!!

TheHopeDiesForLast on 20 Jan 2017

i bet nobody tried what i post. its over three months and iam still running
fine.

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[email protected]> wrote:

Hello guys, new here. First time participating in these topics...
I'm writing from a PC which is affected of all the symptoms you widely
described over the years. (offline lag, stuttering, choppiness, warping
etc.)
I started playing Half-Life for the first time back in 99. Went through
all the CS saga and still playing CS 1.6, the best FPS game ever imo.
Anyway, to cut it short, I decided to sign up here because I am determined
to solve this problem, and I wont surrender until I fix my beloved game.
Now, the curios part in my situation is that this problem occurred to me
for the first time only 1 year and a half ago. In other words, my game was
running perfectly fine until spring 2015. How do I know that you might ask?
Well, lately my game became so sloppy and laggy that I couldn't take it
anymore so I decided to find out what is going on. What I did was going
back in time watching my old demos until I found the last one where CS was
running perfectly smooth! And, that last one was recorded precisely in May

At that point I started thinking...WHAT DID I CHANGE IN THAT PERIOD
THAT COULD AFFECT SO DRAMATICALLY MY GAME? And immediately I remembered
that in that exact moment I changed THE POWER SUPPLY. Basically my original
power supply simply died so I had to change it with a new one. But was it
actually new? I don't know...my "trusted" pc expert just installed me a
different one saying my PC could run with it as well. It cost me (25euro).
Anyway, from the first start with this power supply I immediately noticed
it was much louder, it sounded "heavier"...seemed almost like it was
struggling, like it is executing some heavy demanding operation. I can't
explain it, but I simply didn't have a good feeling about this from the get
go. But since during that period I stopped playing CS to dedicate myself to
other things in life I couldn't detect the problem immediately. In fact I
restarted playing cs again towards the end of the year. And I suppose I
couldn't notice the problem right away cause playing online I was convinced
it was the usual online lag, since I got a terrible internet connection as
well. And also because it is a "bastard problem" many people
wouldn't/couldn't even acknowledge. But the moment I played offline for the
first time with bots I felt immediately something isn't right. Every
movement felt "heavy", non-responsive, laggy, slow...really weird. Trying
to shoot while jumping, walking or strafing would make my bullets fly all
over the place...but again...distracted from the problems of life I moved
on without focusing too much on it. But also, something curios would happen
from time to time...basically when rebooting after long sessions on the pc
I would occasionally get "CPU Temperature Overload" message --> Press F1 to
resume. That's what I pressed and once again moved on without paying too
much attention.
However, this is not the only thing that happened in that
period...........AUDIO....AUDIO...AUDIO....I started getting some dll.
errors when trying to execute an enhancing audio software which goes by the
name of "SoundMax" (it comes with the installation CD for my ASUS MB, yes,
once again Asus mentioned on here). I ignored those as well until recently
when I couldn't accept anymore how shit my CS had become. So what I did now
was removing all the audio "enhancing" softwares and installing my default
audio drivers. CS runs ok now, but is faaar away from being how it should
be.
By the way, I want to advice all the people who intend to by an external
sound card especially for CS to NOT DO IT. You will waste your money. You
would basically plug the external interface by a USB or Firewire into your
pc and then plug your headphones in the sound card. This will increase even
more the delay in your game, believe me...been there done that. What I
learned in these last two months is that CS runs better with the most basic
settings you could configure. Plug your headphones in the front panel for
the optimal experience.

What I need to do now is bring my PC back to the tech guy and explain him
this exact problem. I need to hook him on the issue and force him to solve
this issue for me. I will tell him that I need my old power supply back! At
least the name/model so that I could purchase it again! Also, I will
request from him to clean up my pc off all the dust it accumulated over the
years piece by piece and to reinstall everything and configure it for the
best possible gaming experience.

This was my little input to this forum. I hope that through sharing my
experience I can help to revive this topic. Guys, never surrender. We will
eventually come on top of it. We will solve it, believe me!!!

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agendar on 20 Jan 2017

Agendar, could you redirect me to your post please?

TheHopeDiesForLast on 21 Jan 2017

i cannot find it ITS JUST NOT here really dont know why is my post gone. i
will post later in full version but in short: its not only cpu or sound
problem, its both, everything i done was disabled every powersaving feature
in bios and windows (which every of you already tried) but i also managed
to set almost EVERY bios value from Auto to Manual values, manual voltages,
manual clocks, manual cooling settings, ALMOST every value in my bios is on
manual values except ram settings, also disabled realtek onboard sound and
using cheap usb soundcard + deleted hdaudio drivers from drivers32 folder.
It has to be done on clear windows install and you must do it step by step,
as i said. I will post it later, i have not enought time now, im stucked in
job and also doing for driver license, and if i had some little time iam
stucked with friends or playing csgo mmr/ dota with friend before i go
sleep and work next day. Everything is working great for almost 4 months
now, i spend many times even i knew i will never play so intensive like
when i had time and game was working well but it was 7 years ago and i was
just headstrong to fix this shit no matter what, even if i will never play
it again i just wanted to fix it. Now after 4 months i can say, my problem
is gone, but to be honest, 1.6 on steam is working like , the game is
smooth (clear render, easy movement like bhop and prefire) but recoil is
still shit , but in this case i think it has something to do with 2013 1.6
patch, because now 1.6 nonsteam version is working without any problem. I
also switched to csgo which was very very hard and slow to play for me, now
i can feel the responsivity of the game, the speed of the game, since i
fixed this problem (atleast for me in this case) i lowered my sens from 2.2
(steelseries rival 100, 1000hz, 450dpi , 6/11) to 1.5 so try to imagine how
smooth is my game now. And also every other source engine game which are
ALSO part of this problem are working without any problem. Just 1.6 steam
version recoil keep screwed up, but i can see the game is fucked up,
probably after 2013 update. Because everything is working perfect except
bullets which are not slow but laggy, like when you play with high ping,
1.6 nonsteam version - no problem, when i had this problem even the
nonsteam version was fucked up. I know many of you will dont believe me,
you will say i tryed everything you said but no, everything you do guys was
just disabled some powersaving options like cool n quite or c1e , no bro i
completli tweaked every fucking option, i searched for what theese things
do and what should be safe value, i have no problem with pc. And fyi , i
also bought new cpu for newer games , i had i5 4460 when i had this prob
and also when i fixed it, i bought i5 4690k , overclocked it to 4.2 (WHICH
IS NOT NECESSARY) and managed to do new settings for better cpu, smoothness
keep same great as on 4460 but you know this is way more powerful cpu and
it helps me to keep higher fps in smokes, or when enemy is pushing you, i
can play newer games but it has nothing to do with this problem, you dont
need to buy new cpu or new pc (oh well maybe even only if u use amd, cause
amd=shit, trust me i had two amd cpus past 4 years and u cannot compare it
to intel, even on same fps's).
For now i have lot stuff in pc's and i think i will need a re-install, WHEN
i will have enought time for it, i will make a video with camera when i
will show you every settings of my bios, and way i install windows + what
to do after and how to tweak some things. By the way @TheHopeDiesForLast,
just for info, can you post me your pc specs?.

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Agendar, could you redirect me to your post please?

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agendar on 28 Jan 2017

@TheHopeDiesForLast
Don't do it. You will only waste your money and time. I had my problem fixed by playing on some deatmatch server and everything was perfect, if i changed to another public server or other deatmatch server my recoil would again be terrible. If i would go back to my deatmatch server my recoil would be perfect. So i guess you should try reinstalling the game and then finding right deathmatch server. I had posted IP of the server where i had my problem fixed and i deleted it cause this place was so inactive and i regret it cause now i can't find it for myself to play lol.

Kosta4934 on 28 Jan 2017

Agendar please post bios settings and values i have same motherboard yay

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Don't do it. You will only waste your money and time. I had my problem
fixed by playing on some deatmatch server and everything was perfect, if i
changed to another public server or other deatmatch server my recoil would
again be terrible. If i would go back to my deatmatch server my recoil
would be perfect. So i guess you should try reinstalling the game and then
finding right deathmatch server. I had posted IP of the server where i had
my problem fixed and i deleted it cause this place was so inactive and i
regret it cause now i can't find it for myself to play lol.

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julius2k on 31 Jan 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhqDU1byw6k&feature=youtu.be
but be aware , theese settings are meant to work for my pc setup, 4x
example i have disabled chasis fans because i dont have any other fan than
cpu fan.

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Agendar please post bios settings and values i have same motherboard yay

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Don't do it. You will only waste your money and time. I had my problem
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i
changed to another public server or other deatmatch server my recoil
would
again be terrible. If i would go back to my deatmatch server my recoil
would be perfect. So i guess you should try reinstalling the game and
then
finding right deathmatch server. I had posted IP of the server where i
had
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agendar on 31 Jan 2017

Whats up guys, Ive been following this issue since the steam "cs isnt smooth" forum. Ive tried all the "fixes" posted on that forum. None of the fixes have worked for me. I have bought so much hardware to try to fix the problem and nothing has worked. Ive bought SSD's, Motherboards, processors, and even graphics cards with no success. The other day I was messing around on my computer uninstalling different drivers and messing around with "Ethernet properties" settings. After messing with Ethernet properties the game became a little bit better but nothing close to normal. Then i decided to activate the built in Admin account in windows. Once i did that i noticed that drivers such as Nvidia Update, & Nvidia stereoscopic 3d driver that i had uninstalled on my "User Admin" account were still installed on the built in admin account even tho i had uninstalled them on "user admin" account. So then I went to check the device manager where on my User admin account I had disabled HD audio (I use USB headset) but these were not disable on my built in Admin account. Once I uninstalled the drivers and disable the HD audio it made a world of difference with CSGO (I havent tested 1.6 since i dont play it anymore). The gameplay is a lot faster and the recoil is a lot smoother and consistent!! Im still doing more test and going to continue to see if the gameplay stays the same. This seems to be working for me. Give it a shot, it may work for you also. I mean at this point you dont really have anything to lose. One last thing i changed was "net_threaded_socket_burst_cap" 256 this value seems to be a default according to google but for some reason mines was set to 1024 as default. I also changed net_maxroutable "573"(I think thats as low as you can go) my default value for this setting was 1200.

Once again these settings have worked for me so far, it may or may not work for you.

Systems Specs:
Intel i5 2500k
noctua nh-d15 heatsink
asus maximus iv gene-z motherboard
Asus GTX 960
Corsair 128 gb SSD
1 TB WDD black x 2
8 gigs Ram

Kream1g on 2 Feb 2017

@Kream1g. Great stuff. I have few questions though. With manroutable and
net_threaded_socket_burst_cap settings my csgo is unplayable. The lag is
huge. May i ask what changes have you made on your ethernet settings?

Also about the built in admin account. Do you disable it on device manager
yeah? Whenever i disable it it comes back again , even though i have
disabled automatic driver installation. hmmm anyway it seemed helped a bit,
thanks a million

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Whats up guys, Ive been following this issue since the steam "cs isnt
smooth" forum. Ive tried all the "fixes" posted on that forum. None of the
fixes have worked for me. I have bought so much hardware to try to fix the
problem and nothing has worked. Ive bought SSD's, Motherboards, processors,
and even graphics cards with no success. The other day I was messing around
on my computer uninstalling different drivers and messing around with
"Ethernet properties" settings. After messing with Ethernet properties the
game became a little bit better but nothing close to normal. Then i decided
to activate the built in Admin account in windows. Once i did that i
noticed that drivers such as Nvidia Update, & Nvidia stereoscopic 3d driver
that i had uninstalled on my "User Admin" account were still installed on
the built in admin account even tho i had uninstalled them on "user admin"
account. So then I went to check the device manager where on my User admin
account I had disabled HD audio (I use USB headset) but these were not
disable on my built in Admin account. Once I uninstalled the drivers and
disable the HD audio it made a world of difference with CSGO (I havent
tested 1.6 since i dont play it anymore). The gameplay is a lot faster and
the recoil is a lot smoother and consistent!! Im still doing more test and
going to continue to see if the gameplay stays the same. This seems to be
working for me. Give it a shot, it may work for you also. I mean at this
point you dont really have anything to lose. One last thing i changed was
"net_threaded_socket_burst_cap" 256 this value seems to be a default
according to google but for some reason mines was set to 1024 as default. I
also changed net_maxroutable "573"(I think thats as low as you can go) my
default value for this setting was 1200.

Once again these settings have worked for me so far, it may or may not
work for you.

Systems Specs:
Intel i5 2500k
noctua nh-d15 heatsink
asus maximus iv gene-z motherboard
Asus GTX 960
Corsair 128 gb SSD
1 TB WDD black x 2
8 gigs Ram

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julius2k on 2 Feb 2017

@julius2k If you get Lag with the settings I posted you can try to go higher, "net_maxroutable" the highest you can go is 1200 and for net_threaded_socket_burst_cap theres not much info online about this command so im not sure how high you can set this one but a higher value might be better for you. Also you try to adjust net_splitrate from to default 1 to 2 or 3. In my ethernet properties I untick everything except ipv4 and the i click on ipv4 then I install "reliable multicast protocol". Heres a little bit about what these commands do:

net_splitrate : Number of fragments for a splitpacket that can be sent per frame
net_maxroutable: Requested max packet size before packets are 'split'.
net_threaded_socket_burst_cap : Max number of packets per burst beyond which threaded socket pump algorithm will start dropping packets

also for the built in admin account, I enabled it by using the the command "netplwiz" (Im on windows 10)
heres a guide i found online:
http://www.top-password.com/blog/enable-disable-automatic-login-in-windows-10/
The only thing i disable in device manager is the HD audio. I un-installed unwanted Nvidia drivers such as nvidia update and stereoscopic 3d "program and features".

Also if you use razer synapse I would uninstall the SDK driver or disable the start up services caused alot of lag for me. And i only have razer synapse running when i need to make adjustments to dpi or polling rates. If you have questions let me kno. As i said before im still working on this so im still improving. but so far my gameplay has become a lot better!

Kream1g on 2 Feb 2017

Love how everyone is ignoring my comment here. Good luck with buying and messing with drivers & audio that will not help fix this problem.

Kosta4934 on 2 Feb 2017

kosta @ tell me about it something. 4 months no problem for me.

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agendar on 3 Feb 2017

@SandorClegane11 Exactly. I tried it again on new dm server, everything works perfect. I tested other servers and there is problem on them. So posting those hardware & software fixes will not get you anywhere.

@agendar No need to tell you anything about it. If you fixed good for you, share your solution(i tried it, it doesn't work) and it seems it doesn't work for anyone except you.

Kosta4934 on 4 Feb 2017

I have done literally everything from 2014-2016. To try to fix this annoying problem. I'm telling you all its only waste of time. Buy another computer and switch to csgo.

Kosta4934 on 4 Feb 2017

@Kosta4934 Please leave this thread, if you believe it's just buying a new pc or joining a different server.. god damn

nikooz on 4 Feb 2017

kosta @ well it looks like you have kind of different problem than we have.
I has this problem since 2011, when i switched from older mobo to newer. I
also switched three cpu's (2 of them was amd) and THIS ALSO HAPPENS IN
SOURCE ENGINE. So switching to csgo will not help you, you will still feel
the input lag, since source is outdated and very cpu intensive engine (i
read somewhere that some parts of him still includes things from goldsrc).
4 months ago, i bought cheap 10 euro usb soundcard, disabled realtek,
tweaked many things (except ram settings) in bios to manual values, making
a clean install of windows, deleted *.sys driver files of default windows
drivers for realtek. But its not that simple like i just wrote, it has to
be done step by step, i posted it but SOMEHOW the post is just gone. 4
months , csgo supersmooth , eazy recoil , bhop, onetaps, i can feel the
game. 1.6 is second capitole, the game itself is working good, it feels
good , mouse movement, render , bhoping and stuff but recoil seems to be
shitty anyway, 1.6 nonsteam version which was affected too is working
without any problem, as i mentioned i think this has something to do with
2013 update.

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agendar on 4 Feb 2017

@agendar, mate i have a problem , whenever i delete hdaudio.sys and disable
and uninstall drivers after each boot they simply reappear again. How would
I disable that????

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kosta @ well it looks like you have kind of different problem than we have.
I has this problem since 2011, when i switched from older mobo to newer. I
also switched three cpu's (2 of them was amd) and THIS ALSO HAPPENS IN
SOURCE ENGINE. So switching to csgo will not help you, you will still feel
the input lag, since source is outdated and very cpu intensive engine (i
read somewhere that some parts of him still includes things from goldsrc).
4 months ago, i bought cheap 10 euro usb soundcard, disabled realtek,
tweaked many things (except ram settings) in bios to manual values, making
a clean install of windows, deleted *.sys driver files of default windows
drivers for realtek. But its not that simple like i just wrote, it has to
be done step by step, i posted it but SOMEHOW the post is just gone. 4
months , csgo supersmooth , eazy recoil , bhop, onetaps, i can feel the
game. 1.6 is second capitole, the game itself is working good, it feels
good , mouse movement, render , bhoping and stuff but recoil seems to be
shitty anyway, 1.6 nonsteam version which was affected too is working
without any problem, as i mentioned i think this has something to do with
2013 update.

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julius2k on 9 Feb 2017

@agendar I have tested my problem on Source and it doesn't exist. You're the one obviously that have different problem. I have more problems in game then most of you together
-Recoil
-Sloppy Movement
-1.6 feels like Source
-Played 1.6 bhop for 4 years constantly every possible day on Ambrosia Deathrun and now with this problem i can't hit 2 bhops together
-Enemies move too fast it gives you feeling that you have slow reflexes but while watching demo you will understand that there is some problem with game
-Laggy teammates

Now watch how many problems i have, in Source i don't have any. Stop saying this happens in Source Engine

Kosta4934 on 15 Feb 2017

@agendar Yea i will leave this thread why would i stay and why do you think you will fix it? When no one fixed it for 7 years, you'll fix it now lmao. See how inactive this thread its funny
2013-2012 was golden year for CS1.6 everyone tried to fix the problem but no one managed. Do you think that anyone gives a shit about 1.6 now? Nope. EU and US/UK community is dead= That means = Game is dead

EDIT: Again you're wrong. This problem exist on 1.6 nonsteam, i tested on v34 and 3 other versions and WareZone the game is even worse cause it's 2009 version and steam version is 2013. Just type in console "version" and you'll see it

Kosta4934 on 15 Feb 2017

Guys which fix work? @agendar yours? I follow this thread for years, i tested so many stuff with @schoof but i cant fix this f* game.

@Kosta4934 thanks for leaving

w4Ld1 on 16 Feb 2017

wtf are you talking about, watch my old posts from original steam thread. i
know exactly whats going on, shitty slow movement, not able to do simple
things like bhop, begrip, i had this problem since 2011 when my motherboard
from intel (i mean directly from manufactured intel, mobo that has no
onboard audio) broke. But it was really long time ago, i had in that time
some pentium 4 with old agp nvidia 7600, damn everything worked fine until
i was forced to change motherboard. And thats where my problem started ,
since then i tryed many computers setups and dont even ask me how many
money and TIME i spent to fix this shit. And same shit happens also in
source engine, dont say me no , i played tf2 since 2007 - 2011 , and
exactly when my problem started in cs , source engine was affected too,
even the tf2/ hl2 dm/ css was terrible to play, slow and recoil was not
synced with moves, just same as in goldsrc. As i said, its all gone since
november for me. Everything i did was set bios values as much you can to
manual values, google for it, do a research about functions in bios, and
also get rid of realtek onboard audio, i get cheap 4x4cm usb soundcard and
now , im good, no more spikes, 1.6 steam version is smooth , but recoil is
kinda fucked up but as i mentioned i think in this case it has something to
do with 2013's update cause no problem in nonsteam version, working like in
old times. Im satisfied because i fixed this problem atleast for me even i
know i will never play this game like 7-8 years ago, but i just wanted to
fix that shit and i fixed it, it took my almost 6 years. And i know you
willl keep talking about "totally different problem" or "i already tried
that" or you will not believe me, but i will not repeat the same over and
over again. I'm done with this thread. (makakin21 cs isnt smooth steam
forum).

agendar on 16 Feb 2017

@agendar Hey whats up budd i found your post about the things you did to fix your game smooth
Now ,my question is: Whats the model of your motherboard? what was the processor stock ghz? also what was the voltages default that you changes or modify in order to improve your pc experience? you talk, about Voltages and stuff, i wanted to know :)

This is what you posted
Agendar: _I will write it simple, this is the Way i removed this problem.: Go for
maximum performance settings in bios, disable every powersaving , disable
turbo mode, tweak your voltages , cpu cachio rate to max settings u can
handle but if u dont dont want to overclock just set it manually to default
standart value based on your cpu. (like cpu voltage for example) , try to
tweak every value which is setted as Auto to manual writed value.Then
another very important part is disabling onboard audio which is in 95 %
case realtek hd audio device. After you tweaked your bios and you disabled
onboard audio make a clean install of windows but before that unplug every
audio device like headsets and speakers . After you do that install a clean
windows copy -> go to windows\system32\drivers and delete hdaudbys.sys ,
you will need to disable trustinstaller service and i really dont want to
explain this, without this service disabled you will be not to able to
delete sys files from drivers32 folder.This is the way you must do it
tinyurl.com/jz98ev4. After u do that go device manager -> audio settings
and disable and delete High Definition Audio Controler , then also go to "
System Devices and find that service too but in this you will just only
disable it (if u delete that, windows will install this service again after
next reboot), go to control panel to Power Options-> Choose [Balanced]
->Change plan settings -> Change advanced power settings and switch from
[Balanced] to [High Performance] -> Usb settings -> Usb selective suspend
setting and disable it then also go to Processor power managment and make
sure that you have minimum processor state on 100 %, system cooling policy
active and maximum processor state active on 100 %.. Save the settings and
restart the pc then install drivers , i suggest to you install drivers one
by one meaning restart after every driver installed, last one should be gpu
drivers. After you installed every drivers reboot the pc and after that go
to Nvidia Control Panel -> Manage 3D settings-> Global Settings -> Power
management mode -> Prefer maximum performance, then go back to Display->
Adjust desktop size and position and set Scaling to "No scalling" and
reboot. After you do that plug your plug your usb headset. If you have also
speakers i suggest you to buy cheap (or better) usb sound card, Right click
on volume ikon in your taskbar and select Playback devices. Find your
audio device you are using it should be named "Speakers USB Audio Device"
right click on it to Properties -> Enhancements and select Disable all
enhancements then go to -> Advanced and disable the "Allow applications to
take your exlusive control of this device" and reboot pc again. Then
install steam , install csgo without any launch options and launch it. Let
the game load and then quit your game and set your launch options like
resolution and other stuff. For example my launch options are "-w 1280 -h
960 -refresh 75 -threads 4 -high -novid". Then launch the game again and
set your other options like graphics (iam using all low except Shadows and
also be sure you have enabled multicore rendering, then tweak your other
settings like crosshair , mouse sens , hud.... After you checked you have
tweaked every settings restart the pc again and after that try your csgo
again. For me iam still good for almost 1.5 months. Later on i will post my
windows uefi bios settings using following setup: mobo: asus h97m-e, gpu:
asus gtx 960 turbo 2gb , 8gb 1600 mhz ram, intel i5 4460, 550w psu. Its
important to do every i meantioned and i grants you to play without
problem, but it will take some little bit more time than just standart fast
reinstall._

CloudHaze on 17 Feb 2017

HELLO WORLD!

I HAVE FINALLY FIXED THAT SHIT!

AND YES, I HAVE A DEMO TO PROVE IT!

And what I fixed exactly is this problem here shown in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXGyj3c6Bbg

Honestly, I cried out of happiness when I was finally able to enjoy my game once again. It is actually less complicated to fix this than what we all think.

If you are interested to know how I resolve this huge problem just tell me and I will explain to you what I did exactly. Also, if anybody is interested seeing the demo where I prove that I fixed that you can just ask. I am sorry but I am too exited right now...will talk to you all later.

TheHopeDiesForLast on 23 Feb 2017

I am interested to know, please explain how to fix.

victor910 on 23 Feb 2017

Yeah dude please tell us already

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HELLO WORLD!

I HAVE FINALLY FIXED THAT SHIT!

AND YES, I HAVE A DEMO TO PROVE IT!

And what I fixed exactly is this problem here shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXGyj3c6Bbg

Honestly, I cried out of happiness when I was finally able to enjoy my
game once again. It is actually less complicated to fix this than what we
all think.

If you are interested to know how I resolve this huge problem just tell me
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interested seeing the demo where I prove that I fixed that you can just
ask. I am sorry but I am too exited right now...will talk to you all later.

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julius2k on 23 Feb 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast

Omg is this for real? I have suffer from it from 11 years and if you solve it Im amazed!! I have tryed all things almost 2 new pc's and 3 new steam acoounts, videosettings etc. and was so sad when I spend money and the lag was still there and I can't find out what cause it. I have seen this and other forum for a solution for years without succes and now I read your post. I really hope you could tell us the solution. For I just wish so much that I would be able to play the steam games again without this odd recoil lag.
Pleace tell but of cause I understand if you are gaming all day and night when you solve it;-)

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Feb 2017

Im just so afraid its gonna be another temporary fix like so many before :(
:D but hopefully he knows some sick shit.

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TheHopeDiesForLast

Omg is this for real? I have suffer from it from 11 years and if you solve
it Im amazed!! I have tryed all things almost 2 new pc's and 3 new steam
acoounts, videosettings etc. and was so sad when I spend money and the lag
was still there and I can't find out what cause it. I have seen this and
other forum for a solution for years without succes and now I read your
post. I really hope you could tell us the solution. For I just wish so much
that I would be able to play the steam games again without this odd recoil
lag.
Pleace tell but of cause I understand if you are gaming all day and night
when you solve it;-)

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julius2k on 23 Feb 2017

Julius2k
Me to but I have a feeling that its maby right. Because I think the problem is simpel as TheHopeDiesForLast mention. Its like a ajustment set wrong or something wich cause the recoil to make some default jumps.

TheHopeDiesForLast
Does the fix also fix weponsswitch slow.. bulletlag.. and hit regitration?;-)

I never tourgh that anyone would solve this.. omg!!

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Feb 2017

You better wake up soon, and tell us your solution!

nikooz on 23 Feb 2017

maybe he's trolling us :D

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julius2k on 23 Feb 2017

Hello guys, you'll have to give me a week pls.
No, it's not temporary fix...I've played with fantastic smooth recoil for 3 days now, but not only that...I was able to revert it to shit and then fix it again on purpose. I am not trying to just solve my game, but to understand what is the CAUSE, because that is the only way this could be useful for everybody and not just for my specific case.

@Everlastingbulletlag, yes. Switching weapons is amazing, just like back in the day. Very fast and the sound is so responsive and pleasing. On the demo about which I talked you can see me at one point I am shooting very fast with desert eagle and all 3 bullets went straight on the exact same spot, something absolutely unthinkable before that.

TheHopeDiesForLast on 23 Feb 2017

okay man. This is great news :) Its hard to be patient and wait for a week
but call is yours <3

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Hello guys, you'll have to give me a week pls.
No, it's not temporary fix...I've played with fantastic smooth recoil for
3 days now, but not only that...I was able to revert it to shit and then
fix it again on purpose. I am not trying to just solve my game, but to
understand what is the CAUSE, because that is the only way this could be
useful for everybody and not just for my specific case.

@Everlastingbulletlag https://github.com/Everlastingbulletlag, yes.
Switching weapons is amazing, just like back in the day. Very fast and the
sound is so responsive and pleasing. On the demo about which I talked you
can see me at one point I am shooting very fast with desert eagle and all 3
bullets went straight on the exact same spot, something absolutely
unthinkable before that.

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julius2k on 23 Feb 2017

@TheHopeDiesForLast

I am not trying to just solve my game, but to understand what is the CAUSE

Give to us more details, we will understand more faster together. No any reason waiting one week.

victor910 on 24 Feb 2017

But that is the point...I will give you details but I AM NOT CERTAIN what exactly changed things so dramatically. That's why I need more time to experiment and try to understand what sequence of actions made the game run smoothly.

In the last month or so I've been constantly making little improvements day by day on my cs 1.6 and I were silent because I wanted to make it REALLY SMOOTH before talking. 3 days ago was a moment when cs started running not just good, but amazingly. So I should tell what I did in the last month but I don't remember every move and step now. Also, you should consider I am doing this between work, not easy...

I will try tomorrow to make a more detailed post or the saturday since I'm not working.

Meanwhile I will tell you my simple method to resolve my cs problem. I'd create a server and take the ak47 (the most crucial weapon with this problem) the usp and the deagle...and go onto a white wall and shoot at a moderate speed. Check the spray, go out and change a SINGLE setting being audio, video or system setting, get back into the server shoot again...and I did this for one month and day by day I was selecting the setting that improved the spray.

But is not just the spray, the game runs FAST now! the game feels LIGHT. Imagine an overweight person who suddenly lost a lot of weight and feels like he could fly? The mouse feels light as well.
I've played for 3 years now with that shit offline lag, delay etc. that I almost forgot how beautiful and rewarding this game could be!

TheHopeDiesForLast on 24 Feb 2017

what about a short video?

victor910 on 24 Feb 2017

Okay its a litte funny cos sometimes even though really rare. My game do exactly like you explane TheHopeDiesForLast. Its the hole game that lags. Movement, mouse, recoil, game speed, weponswift, bullet are slow and runningspeed(in dod 1.3) and suddenly my game runs extremely fast but only a short periode of time then back to the slow game again. Its long time since last time I have seen the fast game. Therefor I think its an ajustment. When I installed the game first time the hittegistration is better an after is shit. Also when I enter my netsettings the windows desktop respond 100% faster in menus.
I think maby you are on the right track to solve this. Could be amasing upon so many years with lag and unplayable games.

I really hope you find the solution THDFL;-)

Everlastingbulletlag on 24 Feb 2017

+Everlastingbulletlag With all the respect for you trying to fix this problem i can't believe you without demo video or any proof
And your fix just doesn't make sense.

Kosta4934 on 24 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag not sure if it's a placebo but recoil feels less using your trick. Will report back after more testing.

djdallmann on 24 Feb 2017

@djdallmann What is his "fix" exactly?

Kosta4934 on 24 Feb 2017

Hello guys, I made a very short demo for you to see what I'm talking about.

http://www26.zippyshare.com/v/2gJzLttn/file.html

Bear in mind this is on 50% power saving mode. So it is not even at high performance and still you can see how fast and responsive the game is. I am switching weapons very fast to show the responsiveness. And remember, this is at 50% power saving, this is not even the full potential :D

TheHopeDiesForLast on 24 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag Hello what is netsettings trick that u mention?

lamapukas on 24 Feb 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast I would rather have the fix the a demo. A demo is fine but fix better;D
I havent seen the demo because of everlasting logins😣 But I belive you have fixed it but I still play with the lag and wish I could play this satuday with no lag so plz give some more hints😉

Lamapukas Its when I log on my netsetting you know 192.168.0.1 I dont know your ips but go to setting and log out again and see if your menus in Windows opening much faster afterwoods also sometimes if I change channel for wireless modem it reacts much faster than when laggy but its not a fix but just strage to see how the lag makes your pc slow.

I really suffer from this lag and played with since sourceengine came appoxemedly . So plz give a little hint more TheHopeDiesForLast🤗

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast I when to the link and popup stuff was strange some virus warning.

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

You joined to empty server and at the start you showed your terrible recoil with usp, the deagle recoil you didn't show at all. (6 straight bullets should go to the same place and you just fired one and stopped) and what did you exactly tried to show us with m4a1? I couldn't even see if the recoil was good or not. The movement was still kinda sloppy. It would be good if you already gave us your "fix" not trolling us with this demo.

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

The only demo I will trust is where you go from bad recoil to smooth recoil with no cut in the video. Is the demo showing that but a demo actually is waist of times the fix is the only thing that count. I cant even imagine if people will troll a tread like this cos we have already suffer enough from lag wich makes hole pc slow.

I have a new pc now with 1ms monitor 166hz. Keyboard with 1ms responstime, mouse with 1ms pollingrate and storage is m2nvme and 16gb ram nvidia gforce 1070 x 8gb and z270 mb and so on. Keyboard, mouse and isp all connected via cable. I have 3 steamaccount and my netspeed is 100mb download and 30upload and the lag is in all accounts. So eighter is something with the steam/valve files but then why do not all players have it? Or the isp provider or the ajustment in netsettings 192.168.0.1 but the why is the lag also there offline. Onboard sound chip should cause lag for all and not just some players. So what can it be? And why is hit reg better only the first time you play steam from installing first time.

I simply dont get what can cause this lag. I have tryed all types of rates settings - video setting - etc nothing works.

I hope you can tells us what your fix is TheHopeDiesForLast:)

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

Kosta, if you shoot very fast with a deagle, no matter how smooth your cs is, they will never go exactly straight at the same point. If you believe they should then you really don't understand the mechanics of that game. In that demo I posted, I shot 3 times very fast with the deagle and the bullets went exactly where they should. Before fixing my game even standing straight, even shooting slowly, the bullets would fly around the crosshair. In this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXGyj3c6Bbg .where the problem is shown. you can see him in the second clip he shoots with the deagle slowly and the bullets go straight. I can post you a demo like that if you wish.
But this is not point, I think you have a different problem because even before you were arguing with a guy about "online lag" and we're talking about unsmoothness OFFLINE first of all.
So if you're problem is about online lag only then you really don't belong to this thread.
The premise is that you should have your cs smooth OFFLINE first and then think about online lag. Honestly, online lag is THE LAST OF THE PROBLEMS for me. It is a matter of rates which vary depending on the server.
Regarding your question about the m4a1 shooting, it was to show the responsiveness of the mouse and the sync with the game. Before fixing my game I'd have to "wait" every time after I shoot because shooting would cause me some strange delay.
I repeat, I think you are confused and you have a different problem than most of us.

TheHopeDiesForLast on 25 Feb 2017

You can easy chek if you have recoil lag if you plug your headphones in your front jacks and launch the game. I did this an the game felt amsing with no lag and everything was exstreem fast reaction - mousemoments - recoil. But after i did it ones the lag came back. But for short time you can see uf you have the lag.

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

SandorClegane11, is that confirmed?
Anyway, I don't use such commands and by shooting slowly my bullets with the deagle go straight NOW.
Before it was random.
Evarlasting, click the download button when that popup appears close it and click the download link again.

TheHopeDiesForLast on 25 Feb 2017

Thx but I rahter hear more about the fix have you found out what you did to solve it TheHopeDieForLast? Im waiting and still very curious about your fix. What to do? If you solve this lag im really supprices cos I feel I have done everything possible..

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

@TheHopeDiesForLast I'm here for 1 year. On page (cs isn't smooth) for almost 4 years. And you just joined here few days ago and saying that i should leave and teaching me the game mechanics? I think you are the one who don't know game mechanics. Deagle bullets actually have to go in the same spot if not you're still having this problem. What is the point of video you showed me? The bullets indeed go to the same spot It's just the bullet decals that makes it look not really accurate.

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

@TheHopeDiesForLast I do have offline lag. Stop making false accusations.

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

"Deagle bullets actually have to go in the same spot if not you're still having this problem."

No, the spray is influenced by the rate of your shooting. You're talking bollocks. Please show me a video where someone would shoot very fast with a deagle and would have all his bullets dead center. Your avatar does really seem appropriate at this point.

Seriously guys, is anyone really expecting to shoot fast and no spray whatsoever? If you believe so than I am at the wrong place with some weird people. Have played fps games since 99. If there is a game I know that would be cs 1.6

TheHopeDiesForLast on 25 Feb 2017

Ye but how do you achieved the smoothness dude?

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Hello guys, I made a very short demo for you to see what I'm talking about.

http://www26.zippyshare.com/v/2gJzLttn/file.html

Bear in mind this is on 50% power saving mode. So it is not even at high
performance and still you can see how fast and responsive the game is. I am
switching weapons very fast to show the responsiveness. And remember, this
is at 50% power saving, this is not even the full potential :D

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julius2k on 25 Feb 2017

What really impress me is how people still don't realize that whenever you install/uninstall a driver or a program windows get smooth for a while. People also don't realize that smoothness affect all the programs, not only CS.

xxxMarioxxx on 25 Feb 2017

Well I know in dod 1.3 you cant hit the same spot many times there is a little change in shots but what about the fix?

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

I still continue to believe that the problem begins with the high jitter clock on motherboard, along with bad power source. A power full of noise completely destroys clock stability.

So if you have a shitty clock + bad power source = High amounts of error

xxxMarioxxx on 25 Feb 2017

Mario exactly I know you are right about this I have seen that so many times its hole pc ifection

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

Mario I heard some talk about clock and for me it sounds like it could have something to do with it but I have very strong powersupply crossair 750 80+ gold and still have the lag

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

Unfortunately your power supply cannot filter the power that comes through the wall plug. The only solution here is to replace motherboard's clock with a TCXO with its own power supply.

xxxMarioxxx on 25 Feb 2017

Guys i found the fix for the recoil. I need some of you to test this, to join in any server you want and just try it with me. My gameplay is 80% better but for some reason i still have choppy gameplay and firerate is still slow but perfectly fine. If anyone interested give me your link of Facebook- I don't want to leave possible fix after i was called "names" by some people here.

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

😄1

Yes Mario but how to? Im not much into those details. Can you try to test it somehow. It makes sence with some clock errors cause its like enemies shot me around corners and pepole looking another way sometimes when I get shot. It look like they are in the norm time and me in pasttime..

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

Kosta pleace tell us you know why people is angry on eachtoder its because of the game aint smooth and that makes people so angry but lets be nice to eactother and let try to fix this together:)

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag I agree with you man. Some testing and i will reveal it here don't worry max 30 mins

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

Cool Kosta the shit lag have made me so angry with other players for years and Im so sad about it but they didnt belive in the lag and I got so fustrated. But I will appolize to them all when this lag is fixed cos it aint fair and somewho I understand why they dont belive in the lag when its only some players who have it..

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

👍2

How do i download that DEMO file? it is a shit website..

nikooz on 25 Feb 2017

@Kosta4934 80% Isn't enough tho... And a server can't be a fix

nikooz on 25 Feb 2017

Open search tab and type cmd.exe(Run it as Administrator) now type this: "netsh interface tcp set global autotuning=disabled"(Without quotes) and then press Enter.
Put this in your launch options(For non-steam users right click on cs1.6 and then Place this in target box>
-noforcemparms -noforcemaccel -noforcemspd -nomsaa -nofbo -nomousegrab
Run the game and please tell me if it works

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

@nikooz Here you go try this bro

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

But Kosta I so glad you just try to fix it 80% is better than this I have now. I head someone talk about sv_clockcorrection_mseq not sure if its the right spelling but maby some of you know about this?

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag Did you tested my "solution"? Idk man i will try to look for more

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

@Kosta4934 Works actually, instantly. But does it keep working like this?

nikooz on 25 Feb 2017

@nikooz It works lol. I found some more tweaks my movement is so much different, yea i just joined random server it's working still.

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

@Kosta4934 After how many days, without tweaking?

nikooz on 25 Feb 2017

@nikooz Found this 30 minutes ago idk man. It's not that hard to type that again if (after restarting doesn't work)

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

@Kosta4934 Allright.. so we need more testing. Could be awesome if that works everytime :)

nikooz on 25 Feb 2017

👍1

@nikooz Yea i wish more people could test it now

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

Kosta ffs😂 I tested just very fast 2min. But the game was somehow faster and its better but yes no a 10å% fix but you are onnthe right track and menus was faster in steam;)

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

Omg this is wild😉😉😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

In dod mouse is very fast now and recoil is much better😉😉 juhuu

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

+Everlastingbulletlag Yea but is your recoil 100% better or? :smile_cat:

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

Everybody calm down, it's not for sure yet.

nikooz on 25 Feb 2017

I'm going to leave my demo tomorrow @nikooz I don't think my fix is working for everyone but for me it does i just installed "Non-Steam WareZone" version and it works without any problems. Btw do you have Windows 7 or?

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

Win 10

nikooz on 25 Feb 2017

Kosta my recoil is much better rhe hole game is faster movement keyboard and mouse and bullets are flyibg faster. It seem like solution works. But I have to test more to say exactly if its 100% fix😉 This is the day Iv been waiting for for 11years😂😂 you guys are amasing! I dont have nonesteam version but its also working with steam version he

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag I'm glad you fixed this! :smile:

Kosta4934 on 25 Feb 2017

SPOILER ALERT, READ THE WHOLE COMMENT
I think maybe i find the culprit and is all about the (prefetch) I mean i always use to disable superfetch and prefetch in my ssd on windows 10, by tweaking the regedit and turning off the (prefetch service on windows) but that wasnt helping me so

I decide to go to run and type (pretetch) and i saw a tons of files there, but yeah i didn't deleted all because it will (slowdown) my whole system instead of getting a better performance

But yeah all i do was to take away all the files with the extension " .ph" which stands for all the software that we open, like steam, programs, and stuff, and them i just deleted all of them .ph

And once you guys deleted all .ph files , you would have somes files and folder like me

leave these files alone:
PfSvPerfStats.bin
ResPriHMStaticDb.ebd
ResPriStaticDb.ebd
PfPre_6acdbead.mkd
PfPre_6ace848a.mkd

And the folder ReadyBoot, keep it without delet

So guys just try it deleted all .Ph, turn off regedit (prefetch,superfetch by setting 0) and windows service turn off too the prefetch service, only for (SSD) this made up a big changes in my PC performance :)

and yeah and crazy geek , tweaking guy, like voltages, latencies, settings, etc etc
But i can really tell you that (those settings improve WINDOWS PERFORMANCE A HUGE)

just try that first.....

CloudHaze on 25 Feb 2017

@Kosta4934 I don't think -nofbo is a good command, but let's see i will try it later

lamapukas on 25 Feb 2017

Kosta is much better but not a 100%fix as you said but I have steam version. How to get the nonsteam version?😊 But it feels much more smooth he😉😉 Is it a 10å% fix for you? And Im running windows 10.

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

Listen guys.. I have tested and it was better but its not permanent fix for me. But still I think we are close to the goal. What makes the game better with autotunning disabled?

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Feb 2017

Autotuning do not related to the problem, autotuning only disabled MTU
change on the fly.

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Listen guys.. I have tested and it was better but its not permanent fix for
me. But still I think we are close to the goal. What makes the game better
with autotunning disabled?

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victor910 on 26 Feb 2017

Mine is back to shit aswell..

nikooz on 26 Feb 2017

Havent tryed today but it was smooth just when I made autotune disabled yesterday. But played the hole evenning and the lag came back. I think we are close to solution so dont give up guys😉 Im so glad that you guys is trying so hard to fix it. But again why do some players have the lag and others dont? Its must tell us something? I dont think its the pc cos I got a very fast pc now with 1ms equipment and 165hz. It must be isp, windows, steamfiles or something with the jitter clock I think. Im not into details in those options..

TheHopeDiesForLast was it just a troll you did or what was your fix?

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

The only thing we know for sure, is when you configure something in your system, it will become greater.. but comes back the day after.. :/

And my fps flucturates around 130-350 fps... with huge drops

nikooz on 26 Feb 2017

Yes Nikooz its very strange. Lets makes all the facts on the table for what we know:

Setting jacks in front jacks first time makes the game smooth instant and setting autotune disable makes more smooth instant. I can see when I play something makes the game go in slowmotion or rather makes the hole pc slow. Windows menus and internet bowser. I have made a discorvery and my phone is actually also slow but when pc comes fast in short period of time and game become smooth my phone also gets fast respons. I dont know if its online when Im wireless but now I on cable so I will see it next time game become smooth. I think maby its some thing with internet options like the autotuning. I know there is more options like that like chimni(spelling not right I know he) but I have tryed some more option with that nesth command in cmd.
But is it possible it can be somthing with those options when lag is offline.

I tryed to make cl_lc 0 as I have seen mention many times but cvar makes the game close. But can it be something with that cvar?

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

Further I also have fps drop I was playing css with app 500fps but its still droping and in dod 1.3 I can see when joining a server fps drops to under 30 wich before the lag came was not under 30 fps must be the same in cs 1.3 or 1.6 cant remember was the old cs was called..

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

Yeah sadly my problem is back, ffs :disappointed:

Kosta4934 on 26 Feb 2017

Yes but you tryed Kosta and thats makes you great😄😉 So cool when people posting a possible solution even tough it turns out lag come back. I very happy for you trying to fix it👍👍

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

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You do more than Valve to fix this and you all are thats abit ironicly😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

Imagine this lag is solved one day then we make a clan owning the pro players and clan tag is dreamrecoil😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

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Still waiting for that magical fix from thehopesdieforlast

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julius2k on 26 Feb 2017

Just a quick question.
Does any of you ever had a soundcard installed on your motherboard?
I remember my first gaming pc, 8+ years ago.. having a soundcard on it, and it was filled with problems so i threw it out and used onboard sound instead. Mby you guys can relate?

nikooz on 26 Feb 2017

use autotuning=normal thats default state. Anyway this autotuning setting isnt proper way cuz its used by TCP, but CS is UDP related.

venhyy on 26 Feb 2017

Maby I ask stupidly but is there a UPD command like tcp interface command?😄

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

Maybe u could find something on SG TCP optimizer. Program itself try to optimize your network interface or u could play with those settings and manualy change them. What is important for your gaming experience is to set Network throttling to disabled and System responsiveness to gaming. Both these settings u could find on Advancex tab. Hope it helps a bit.

venhyy on 26 Feb 2017

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Okay thanks venhyu I take a look on that😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

Lemme answer your question with a simply answer: This is called (EMI/RFI) and yeah my phone get more responsiveness suddenly too.. and thats happen at 1am midnight or 2 am, but is not always, it is because (DIRTY ELECTRICITY) you can check many youtube videos, whether people say: yeah the rfi/emi can decrease electronic performance, (TV,PC,PHONES) etc take a look :)

@Everlastingbulletlag
Yes Nikooz its very strange. Lets makes all the facts on the table for what we know:

Setting jacks in front jacks first time makes the game smooth instant and setting autotune disable makes more smooth instant. I can see when I play something makes the game go in slowmotion or rather makes the hole pc slow. Windows menus and internet bowser. I have made a discorvery and my phone is actually also slow but when pc comes fast in short period of time and game become smooth my phone also gets fast respons. I dont know if its online when Im wireless but now I on cable so I will see it next time game become smooth. I think maby its some thing with internet options like the autotuning. I know there is more options like that like chimni(spelling not right I know he) but I have tryed some more option with that nesth command in cmd.
But is it possible it can be somthing with those options when lag is offline.

I tryed to make cl_lc 0 as I have seen mention many times but cvar makes the game close. But can it be something with that cvar?

CloudHaze on 26 Feb 2017

Thanks CloudHaze I will se about that too. Have some of you tryed to compensate for radioointerfearence? Cos actually is it one of the things I havent tryed?

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

But is radioiterf. possible with cable from modem?

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Feb 2017

Actually principal culprit is the outlet in wallet, even if it has a grounded wire, you will need an item to reduce EMI/rfi, also you can check that with an oscilloscope

check this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq6YFkxR9n0

then this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhiZCaI5N50

last video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3QJ7epzs0

CloudHaze on 26 Feb 2017

My verdict about mentioned culprits:

In terms of EMI there are not so much things u could do guys. Mid end mobos soundcard circuits are isolated by borderline, so if u dont hear any cracking or stuttering from sound u are fine here.

About "dirty power" outlets: PSU vendors are aware of this, and doing multiple filtering stages on whole PSU to deliver "clean" power for your components. I have high tier PSU with amazing voltage ripple suppresion (~ 9mV on 12V rail, which is source for CPU Vcore, etc..). So dont get fooled about this myth. Same as before, if u are not using 10$ PSU or your PSU isnt deffective everything is fine.

venhyy on 26 Feb 2017

venhyy

Sorry, but you are wrong. The EMI comes along with your power source (wall socket) and your power supply is not able to clean all the dirty. And to be honest, your power supply even add more noise to the system because it is a switching power supply.

I don't see any solution other than the upgrade of clock oscillator embedded in motherboard, and the new clock must have its own power supply.

xxxMarioxxx on 27 Feb 2017

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I was see how "pro" changed PSU, every time before starting playing LAN.
It's sarcasm, if you do not understand.

victor910 on 27 Feb 2017

Also you mentioned that the vendors are aware of the problem. No, they aren't. And even if they were, they wouldn't do anything because they want maximum profit and the average users are too dumb to complain about their PCs not running smoothly. They just accept it

So what we have here is a very low standart of PCB design for the domestic computer market. You will only find very stable boards on the satelite industry, high-end audio and telecommunications.

xxxMarioxxx on 27 Feb 2017

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Hey all recoil freinds sorry not for answer to your replies but can I ask if you all get somethimes shot aroubd corners and your shots are often not rwgistred? If yes then I maby think the hole shit lag also with recoil is about Valve interdusing lagcompansation with the source ingine.
I saw this video on youtube:

https://youtu.be/6EwaW2iz4iA

Read the comments even though there is many cos I feel excatly this lag but also recoil lag and maby its because of lagcompansation and interp settings or ex_interp I dont know but valve destroyed the game with lagcompansation for me at least but I dont know if the recoil lag also can be explained by this?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

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@venhyy

As mario says: Sorry but you are wrong, power supply doesn't have a filter at all that can clean the dirty electricity thats not possible, also a simple grounded outlet cannot help neither, it's all about to put an artifact into the Electricity 120V-240 Breakers. in order to clean the EMI ,which are called UPS or powerconditioner.

And Hissing sounds doesn't mean that you cure or fixed the EMI problems.

Also heres a guy that actually fixed his problems

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781721&page=183

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

I saw a video about a man plugging such atifact into electricity earlier. And the fix was amasing. Can some try this fix with a anti jitter thing into eletricity?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

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Also this is not about cs 1.6 in fact, this problem affects Web-browsing experience, windows desktop, or linux etc... is something with the motherboard and emi issues, or RFI issues... hope we can fix this problem asap.

I stands for @xxxMarioxxx i'm agree with him.

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

It was your video link I saw Cloudhaze he😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

Yes but all my equipment is infected.. and lag is less at night its possible that 1 of those 2 is a fix😊😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

Cloudhaze If I plug such devise in my 220v eletricity (where my psu gets power from) would it be enough to test? I dont have one but it would be worse buying one then🤗

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

The device that you plug into the breakers of 220v or 120v will reduce the EMI like i show you in the youtube videos, once you plug that device, your home will behave better, but also i guess is good option to buy a panamax or power conditioner then connect it in the grounded outlet, then once you plug that device into the outlet, your device will have some extra outlet to connect your PC components

But yeah i guess an osciloscope plus Stetzer filters , will help alot :)

Like showed in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq6YFkxR9n0

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

I really love that youtube video i want to have an oscilloscope+ stetzer filters :(

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

Yes me to and actually sound like it could solve the problem but I was reading the post in the link from steampowered with the guy who said he fixed it with that thing but he didnt post a demo prof and others where saying that they brught 1 but lag was still there despite abit better. So what to do? Eh😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@xxxMarioxxx

So your way how to fight EMI is to use external clock with extremely precise rectangular signal ? LOL hard. This is only proof u have no idea what u are talking about. This ext. clock would generate even more EMI and noise then built-in CLK of mobo. Thats physics mate (see for spectra of rectangular signal). Mobos modulate clock signal on purpose, to reduce EMI (Spread Spectrum option on BIOS). So please dont mix up EMI and clock jittering.

The second point u mention was EMI caused by PSU working on switching mode. Thats true for sure. I did a practical test on my rig. I could change VRM MOSFET switching freq. I dont see any improvement between lowest and highest value (260kHz - 740kHz).

May I ask where u are aiming with your hypothesis about EMI? Whats affected on PC by power outlet noise when all systems are purely digital nowadays. These noise are important on audio recording studios cuz of sampling and using ADCs. Does voltage ripple >10mV matter rly matter?

venhyy on 27 Feb 2017

@venhyy Thanks, disabling Network throttling really helped

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

Kosta is it a joke or fix?😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

Not really helped but i noticed that everything is a bit faster :neutral_face:

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

Its like your fix strange that something with network are making the game faster. But why does it come back cos I think I also did this ones and game was better but lag came back. But can it be something about that? A router setting wrong compared to other modems or why was the headphone plug into front mike the absolute best fix so far my game was like in al days. But after shotting down pc lag came back..

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

I don't know man

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

No eighter me but this is the most shitty problem I ever dealt with. It dont makes no logic.. But its abit strange cos I see sometimes it being better all though I do nothing. Can it be a hacker into steam network?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

Yea but what is more strange is that i already changed few computers and laptops and on all of them i have this problem, and im not the only one. Everyone with this problem switched 2-3 computers and still nothing lol

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

What i remember that i played 1.6 without any problems on my Windows XP. Now i don't know if anyone here tasted if this problem appears on xp too?

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

Yes me to so I dont think is the pc. I have a very good pc now with m2 nvme. And as I said monitor with 165hz and pro gamer keybord and pro mouse so how can I possible have lag on keyboard and mouse? The reason is the recoil lag wich cause the hole pc to lag.

I tryeded on xp same lag. And I remember when it came I think to rembember I discover the sound of footsteps was disapirence slowly and after a while it looked like people was cheating cos I was shot around corners and then odd recoil lag. It was slowly infecting my pc I had AC98 that time. I played long time with no lag but suddenly it came.
I think the source engine launch app same time as I got the lag but hard to rembember exactly.

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@venhyy

1 - No, you didn't understand what i said. You won't fix EMI problem coming from the wall by adding an external clock. What i said is to replace the high-jitter clock embedded in your motherboard with a low-jitter clock that has its own power supply, because it is very important to feed low-jitter clocks with very clean power in order to achieve high stability.

For example, this is a low jitter clock with its own power supply:
http://www.audionemesis.com/images/cimg6754.png

2 - If you knew a bit of PCB design you'd note that clock stability is one of the most important aspects to minimize signal errors. Motherboard companies usually put this piece of crap in the circuit to reduce cost:
http://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/shop/2015/07/27/91/littlesomething-10pcs-8mhz-49s-electronic-2pin-passive-nonpolar-crystal-oscillator-for-diy-electronics_6759191.jpeg

So yes, jitter is fucking up our game and thats for sure.

xxxMarioxxx on 27 Feb 2017

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And of course, you'll need some soldering skills to replace the clock. Here is a video to help:
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21ALk7X_kCidy7MRc&cid=4A6A8FBC430FC31C&id=4A6A8FBC430FC31C%211699&parId=4A6A8FBC430FC31C%21248&o=OneUp

And the main clock can be in differente locations depending on the board model. Check this site for more information

http://ppaproduct.blogspot.com.br/2014/02/clock-upgrade-module-for-main-board.html

xxxMarioxxx on 27 Feb 2017

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So shall we try to replace that clock, my dad is an Engineer in system+ electronic
This is a very interesting post, about jitter clock in motherboard.

I need more info, before replacing things.

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

@xxxMarioxxx this also very interesting a GuruMaster from Guru3dforums and system

Hes name is Timothy Lottes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Lottes
For DX, the vendor's graphics driver is cut into two parts, user-mode and kernel-mode, and in-between is a Microsoft layer which controls memory managment and GPU scheduling. When the application issues a DX API call, this hits the graphics vendor's user-mode driver (which note might queue the API call to a user-mode driver background thread, and then immediately return so the game thread can continue to issue draw calls as fast as possible). When the user-mode driver (finally) processes the API call, it queues grouped commands to the Microsoft layer which schedules the groups, then eventually passes the groups of commands to the graphics vendor's kernel-mode driver which then enques the groups of commands to the GPU.

Latency of the PC DX driver stack depends on when all these threads physically get scheduled on the machine. Quality of service of frame rate also depends on when these threads get scheduled on the machine. Since the Windows CPU scheduler cannot insure real-time scheduling, the DX driver stack utilizes a latency buffer of up to 3 frames before the GPU starts to render if the application is GPU bound.

Two to three frames of latency is typical of the PC driver stack. For this reason, many serious gamers disable v-sync, accept tearing, and attempt to maximize frame rate --- all in the name of reducing input latency.

Some games introduce GPU queries to force the PC driver stack to remove these extra frames of latency. This can result in the GPU idling waiting on the long CPU pipeline to feed in commands. When doing this it is likely a good idea to insure some idle CPU hardware threads which can be used by the driver threads.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Lottes
Quick Estimates of PC Latency
Lets start with speed of light for a 120Hz display with 6ms latency over scan-out, but lets skip over some important details: 8.3ms rendered frame + 8.3ms scanout + 6ms display = 22.6ms. Now if DX driver stack buffers an extra 1 frame = 31ms. Or 2 frames = 39ms. Or 3 frames = 47ms. Which is starting to get near the latency of a 60Hz console title with a good HDTV. That's at 120Hz, if your PC title is 30Hz then the 2-3 frames of PC DX driver stack latency is a huge deal.

How about my setup with a mid-range GTX 560ti. I've removed the driver buffering problem by my CPU input thread writing directly into a pinned memory buffer, with the GPU reading input from pinned memory directly then computing the view matrix and storing to the constant buffer right before the GPU renders the view-dependent part of the frame. My crappy mouse is 8ms of latency, and I have say 12ms/frame of view-dependent GPU work. Expected total latency: 8ms mouse + 12ms drawing + 4ms v-sync window + 16.7ms scanout + 18ms plasma display = 59ms expected mouse to display. Hopefully right in-line with a good 60Hz console experience.

Continuing with a high-end GPU with a gamer mouse and good PC display: 1ms mouse + 6ms drawing + 2ms v-sync window + 8.3ms scanout + 5ms display = 20.3ms

.

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

ffs there is thing called YouTube you can watch tutorials and tell us if it works. It's too complex and i don't think that is causing our problem

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

CloudHaze

If your father has good skills in soldering and you have some money to spend, you should try. But remember, only if you have on of these boards:
intel H97,Z97,H87,Z87,B85,AMD 990 chip

And the clock must be running at 25 mhz.

xxxMarioxxx on 27 Feb 2017

I don't think that is a problem, surely more people would have this issue not just few of us :thinking:

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

@xxxMarioxxx To bad, my motherboard is h55-e33m , series h55 MSI intel, so this won't work, only intel h97 from gygabite

U.u, but yeah i'm very sure, that these problems come with dirty electricity or motherboard clock, i'm pretty sure.

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

@CloudHaze How do you mean dirty electricity? :anger:

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

18~ year old game and u guys think u need nasa pc for smooth cs. I think its audio/net/server problem only. when my cs was shitty slow recoil and unsmooth and etc i just installed latest realtek drivers(before i used roccat kulo usb sound card and it was shit for cs 1.6 only good for music/movies etc) changed to CD quality plugged headphones in front and that fixed my problem and i didn't even tweak anything in bios, disabled firewall,win update,defender and putted everything on max performance thats it.

lamapukas on 27 Feb 2017

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I think i will tryout @agendar fix, buy a new USB soundcard, and disable onboard sound and go from there..

I am an electrician, and i think that EMI and dirty electricity does not affect our systems.
Example: In a office, with alot of computers, there will MAYBE be a little 'faulty electricity'-caused by all the Power supplies(transformers), witch dosnt affect any of the computers, but only the fuses.

nikooz on 27 Feb 2017

Lamapukas is your game still good? And why havent you made a demo of it?

Nikoz good idea plz tell if it work🤗

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@lamapukas Exactly.

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

But why in some deathmatch servers recoil is perfect while in 100% other Public servers recoil is terrible and hit registration? This is the most confusing thing i have ever seen

Kosta4934 on 27 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag
http://www44.zippyshare.com/v/Nw15yyGt/file.html
This is from mix games, I don't have any csdm servers in my country so..

@Kosta4934 I don't know why man I have played 1week ago in russian DM server that is in Moscow 1,1k km from my city and i had only 34 ping and it was pretty decent not so bad but when i played in their mix/gather servers it was unplayable, I have asked from alot of people who play mixes there they say who lives in moscow or near moscow they have 10ping and has exellent recoil but for people who has 30+ ping recoil movement everything is shit so.. idk (bad english sorry i write how i could :D)

lamapukas on 27 Feb 2017

Can see this file on my phone Lamapukas😭
Im mot much to open such files can you do youtubu?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag how ? u want me to download sony vegas,fraps etc and render it and put on youtube lol long process

lamapukas on 27 Feb 2017

Its okay Lamapuka.. I understand you. But to buy a externel usb sound card can quick give a solution you know others whom this worked for as well?😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

But your are maby right cos the solution to solve this for me was plugging jack into frontpanel.
But is it a permanent fix with that externel sound card?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

I rember that it only worked in short time when I did it but maby the usb soundcard is permanent?
What happends if you take jack out from usb soundcard? Does it becomes laggy again? And I know excatly that all game are affected by the lag I have it in dod 1.3 dods cs css and csgo

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag mmmhh I think u didnt understood I'm using right now realtek soundcard for cs 1.6 not branded soundcard like creative or some roccat shit etc, before I used this http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ROCCAT-Kulo-USB_Soundcard_Top.jpg and it was amazing to listen to music it has very loud bass and etc.. but when i played 1.6 with it the game was shit like i wrote before and i was searching on net for some help why my game was not smooth so i found this fix and it helped for me i tested it 2-3 times it worked so idk mb u have different problem mb u play in bad servers with 50+ ping, mb u didn't upgrade realtek drivers or smth idk

P.S. and i watched some streams from pro players like ScreaM,TaZ and oscar they use realtek drivers not some creative shit or smth. if that says something to u :D

lamapukas on 27 Feb 2017

Okay Lamapuka.. Yes I misunderstod😄 But I have the lastest realtek driver and I have tryed to plug jacks in frontpanel on my new pc but it didnt change anything.
I play mostly on good servers but funny enough then my game is abit smoother today than normal and again my menus in window react faster also.
I did some thing before related to dod 1.3 but I dont know if that has an impact on the game and windows menus. I tryede to shot computer down also modem and it is still fast when i started the gear again its not a 100% fix but its a little better but I will see tomorrow if things change back to shit again.

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag
Just use the latest Realtek drivers , you can find here
http://www.station-drivers.com <-- best page ever, really good drivers

Now once you find your drivers for your integrated realtek sound card etc etc
You can installed, and use RealtekHD interface, and start to plugging your headphones, in rear panel CASE, like in Green Jack, or BLack Jack, once you connected your headphone jack, the realtekHD interface will reconogize your headphone as (STEREO, HEADPHONE) or whatsoever you can choice the option, and test.. if you didn't like the REAR PANEL, you can try always the front panel green jack in your case :)

Hope this helps.

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

@CloudHaze yeah i forgot u need to change this
http://imgur.com/a/LLVJP

lamapukas on 27 Feb 2017

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Yes thank you Cloudhaze👍
I do it tomorrow I will first see if pc is still better there before trying anything new😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@lamapukas Good one, I forgot about that option, which is very important to make the rear panel work!

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

Nice I will try that tommorow guys. But when I update realtek driver I just downloaded from realteck officiel site is those drivers newer or better from your link?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

In fact these are new drivers, WLA or something like that, certified, newest drivers

I'm using drivers from Station-drivers without any problem.

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

Okay but is the driver better than the 1 on realtek site?

There are alot of drivers to those in station--drivers is it the the one in top of all the other drivers when I go to drivers>realteck I should choose or?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

Everlastingbulletlag, whats the model of your motherboard? and what version of windows are you using x64 or x32?

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

Cloudhaze its msi gaming pro z270 and I use windows 10 x64

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag

So your motherboard is built in Audio Realtek® ALC1220 Codec

7.1-Channel High Definition Audio

Which the best or latest drivers for your Realtek are these:

You can try this one

http://www.station-drivers.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=352&func=fileinfo&id=2681&lang=en

OR the latest 21 february+DOLBY realtek
http://www.station-drivers.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=352&func=fileinfo&id=2728&lang=en

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

@CloudHaze how to know what for me is the best? i have asus z97-a

lamapukas on 27 Feb 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag
Or you can use the windows update latest realtek .cab 124 mb
a whole thread about your motherboad, wich is built in special realtek driver
here is the whole thread:
http://www.station-drivers.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&Itemid=255&catid=4&id=2221&lang=en&limitstart=172

but this a good driver throught windows update or you can use the ones i told you.
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2017/02/b4b9a547-eb8e-4a3b-9d04-d80979185d32_b6f577091445f0be1aedc5c54222eb879f4de97b.cab

CloudHaze on 27 Feb 2017

@lamapukas
Yours is: Realtek® ALC892 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC featuring Crystal Sound 2

Which can works too with this drivers

http://www.station-drivers.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=352&func=fileinfo&id=2728&lang=en

or these

http://www.station-drivers.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=352&func=fileinfo&id=2681&lang=en

Or last option throught windows update.cab
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2017/02/b4b9a547-eb8e-4a3b-9d04-d80979185d32_b6f577091445f0be1aedc5c54222eb879f4de97b.cab

CloudHaze on 28 Feb 2017

@CloudHaze thanks

lamapukas on 28 Feb 2017

@lamapukas NP

Hey guys lets support this good cause :)
Provide access to the engine for community support for GOLDSOURCE HALF LIFe 1, Cs 1.6 etc etc
Link:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/1712

CloudHaze on 28 Feb 2017

Dude audio have nothing to do with this. Reason why we still didn't fix this is because we are looking at wrong way.

And don't ignore the fact that recoil works great on some Dethmatch servers! It proves that problem is in servers not hardware, software issue.

Kosta4934 on 28 Feb 2017

# PLZ EVERYONE CHECK THIS CHANNEL PC TWEAKS ACCORDING TO CPU,GPU,MEMORY and stuff..

I really need your opinions, does this guy is the Master of Troll, or what the fuck? these tweaks, you will find only in his CHANNEL

https://www.youtube.com/user/Overlapse1000/videos

CloudHaze on 28 Feb 2017

I used his gpu tweak and color sRGB_v4_ICC upgrade tweak. Everything is colorful and better like in HD. This is really imporant for me cause im using Photoshop CC

Kosta4934 on 28 Feb 2017

Well he has some weird tweakings that maybe are useless and not workeable
But are you sure that, gpu tweak and color SRG_V4_ICC worked? for you? if so then hes not to fake.

CloudHaze on 28 Feb 2017

@Kosta4934 I totally agree with you, that some servers, your recoil is better the first 30mins, and then becomes bad. When you join a MM, it's always shit.

But you cannot ignore the audio, what you mean, looking the wrong way????

@CloudHaze Please stop, putting all this crap into the thread, it's just making people more confused...
We don't really care about a youtuber and his tweaks for windows...

nikooz on 28 Feb 2017

@nikooz Excuse me? how dare you, look at the top of this thread the things that you posted, all repeated things from (CS ISNT SMOOTH) so instead of talking shit to me... check your comments !

CloudHaze on 28 Feb 2017

Sorry Cloud, wasnt meant to be rude.

My cs has been normal after 22:00, and really smooth.
I'm thinking we should listen more to @schoof because im pretty sure This is somehow router related

nikooz on 28 Feb 2017

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Guys, you are don't know "hidden rules" of CS, this is problem, base on this you on the wrong way.
First I say about deathmatch servers, why reg "always" good, because server never RESTART ROUND, only one time in start of map. If you are connected after game was started you will played like a pro. But, if you connected in warmup time or server change map, your reg in other coming to bad state.
second one, very impotent things, while you playing on deathmatch very often you are killed 3-4 players before die.
for today is enough, first, start thinking about this ;).

victor910 on 1 Mar 2017

@nikooz I also feels bad, sorry too ^^,

I just was trying to see others workaround, or ways to fix this problems. Also asked in guru3d forums for help. Anyway I hope someone can find the cure or the problem on this game, I have a modem and d router each separated, and I've already plugged my ethernet cable directly to the modem without any luck maybe that thing that Schoof referes PPPOE network may help? but i guess that only will make sense for modems built in router.

CloudHaze on 1 Mar 2017

ALL TEMPORARY FIX:

change anything in your System ( vga settings, audio settings etc..)
change files in your CS like sounds (WAV) or models
change some cvar in your CS (cl_lc, cl_cmdrate, ex_interp etc..)
change something in your bios
change something in your net settings

all these attemps procduce smooth gameplay for a limitated period, the
gameplay become bad in round to round when you play for long time in map.

FOR ME the only thing with permanent results is:

CRASHING the audio buffer! with distorted or broken audio
this is possible when u set a very short audio buffer

the result is a perfect smooth gameplay, like a prisoner who is released
from his prison, you feel a sudden lightening of the game HEAVY .. seems to
fly, everything returns responsive and accurate as I recalled the good old
days
BUT with distorted audio or totally broken is difficult to play well
this trick is the only workaround without temporary effect

I have always said that there is something related to the audio system
but this can depend from 1000 factors

system poorly optimized
DPC latency high
sata drivers, audio or incorrect vga drivers
too many factors

Add to this, the hardware that does not seem more polished like many years
ago .. everything is in overpriced with various "gaming" endorsements to
sell shit

the speech of the Main Clock begins to have its logical sense
but I wonder .. how could I play WELL years ago with a single Pentium 4 2.0
GHz ?? It has a dedicated Main Clock? NO .. I always had to think of a
sound card dedicated
So we always come back to the first point of the question that I raised ..
matter of threads and their management in modern CPU Multicore

What can we do about it? I think nothing!
or you want to go back to using a Pentium 4? for a single game?
I'd rather not play as badly written games .. and this also applies to CS:
GO
where, however, I do not have the problems I have on CS 1.6

And same thing is applied to the whole system that are not games, I know
the feeling (for example when we disable the Windows Firewall) and the
windows become read and the whole system is hyper active .. for a small
period

It is always a question of Thread and their management
Now if you want to rewrite the Windows Kernel do well :)

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@nikooz https://github.com/nikooz I also feels bad, sorry too ^^,

I just was trying to see others workaround, or ways to fix this problems.
Also asked in guru3d forums for help. Anyway I hope someone can find the
cure or the problem on this game, I have device modem and device router
each separated, and I've already plugged my ethernet cable directly to the
modem without any luck mayebe that PPOE network may help? but i guess that
only will make sense for modems built in routers.

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skyscr3am on 1 Mar 2017

I finally deleted Counter-Strike. There is much more games to play i don't want to waste my time anymore trying to find solution for this cause we will never get there. This problem is around 10 years old. Even at the glory of 1.6 no one managed to fix it (when Valve support was still active and player base)
So with few people left we cannot do anything, sadly. :disappointed: :face_with_head_bandage:

Kosta4934 on 1 Mar 2017

Kosta id say move on to csgo but this problem is haunting us even on the
newer version of the game xD

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I finally deleted Counter-Strike. There is much more games to play i don't
want to waste my time anymore trying to find solution for this cause we
will never get there. This problem is around 10 years old. Even at the
glory of 1.6 no one managed to fix it (when Valve support was still active
and player base)
So with few people left we cannot do anything, sadly. 😞 🤕

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julius2k on 1 Mar 2017

Okay yesterday I was analyzing and checking my RealtekHD interface, so I have the rear panel (jacs) which stands for (Subwofer, side speakers, speakers, headphone and speakers) by colors GREEN, PINK, ORANGE, BLACK, i connected in black and selected headphone, is way better than connect in front green jack, so in this way (hissing noise is totally gone) Thats okay

But this is what i really did to make CS 1.6 Smooth, as i don't have (EXTERNAL SOUND CARD)

As I said i have integrated Realtek Sound-Card, and i followed this video
1- I instaled a Custom Realtek Audio Drivers plus x5 Soundblaster X-FI
By following all the information, at the beggining i was like, oh may god it works, finally
The Soundblaster x5 is detected, but when i tried to (TEST SOUND) in the program didnt work
But suddenly i says: okay ill reproduce a song, and i will tweak settings under SOUND BLASTER
AND I WAS LIKE WTF!!!! omg... the sound was insane!!!! i dont have gamer headset or whatsoever, yesterday at night while i was playing, i can barely hear everything, game was so damn smooth!!!
Anyway this is the tutorial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na-PifWgpL4

CloudHaze on 1 Mar 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast was obvious a troll :D he should get banned for getting
our hopes high and letting us down afterwards :D i bought usb card lets see
how is it going to be smoothness wise

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Let's hope it doesn't turn to shit after a while.

Still waiting for the magical fix from TheHopeDiesForLast thouhg.

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julius2k on 1 Mar 2017

Maybe my theory of why most players dont have these issues are because they have motherboard made for old operative system

I've been analyzing my motherboard which is a H55M-e33 and in the OFFICIAL WEBSITE drivers were made only for windows 7 or vista

Which still working on windows 8 or 10, but not properly as it should, so this time when i unistalled my realktek drivers, in order to install the (Custom new realtek drivers +soundblaster XFI) i had to start windows 10 with driver signature off, which it gave me the option to bypass setup installation wich seems not working properly, so maybe the KEY is to always install all drivers by using windows drivers signature off , one by one.......

like example:
-Windows 10 N LSTB clean OS, then use WSUS to dowloaded all update and install it.

Then Tweak your windows 10 <-- by disabling cortana, removing bloatwares, firewall, defender
Then Disable UAC
Then start by dowloading CPU CHIPSET LATEST DRIVERS (Solid station web page) here you will need to reboot pc and f8, to disable driver signature, then install cpu chipset.
Then Start by dowloading latest NVIDIA DRIVERS (if you are using windows 8 you can modify INF for Quadro gpu that match with your Geforce (this wont work for windows 10) it has not Amd 6:4, otherwhise just dowloaded latest Geforce, then restart pc, boot in Driver signature off, install NVIDIA
Then Dowloaded Custom Realtek+Soundblaster XFI adapter for realtek integrated, follow instructions
Lastly but not least , dowloaded from solid stations the AHCI Drivers and same process (Driver signature off, etc etc

And for extra drivers like (MOUSE, CAMERA) use driver signature force

PD: Driver signature off its because there are people like me using motherboards h55-e33m which are not fully compatible with windows 8+++ so thats my humble opinion, i really wont call this placeboo
My cs 1.6 feels like more (zoomed) you know ? when you use AWP DOBLE ZOOM, its more smooth, not visual lag at all , just a little bit choppy maybe because 75hz monitor

But yeah thats pretty much hope this helps :)

CloudHaze on 2 Mar 2017

What is MM server and FFA servers and how do I spot rather if it is the one or the other? Whats the name of deathmatch servers wich are with good recoil Kosta?

Everlastingbulletlag on 3 Mar 2017

Audio definitely impacts the feeling of how you shoot and move, how audio is processed also effects the game i.e. onboard vs external/pci.

Try adjusting _snd_mixahead (0.1 default) which essentially allows you to increase or lower the processing time (audio processing delay).

If you're not using -wavonly (Disables DirectSound and makes the engine attempt to play all sounds in PCM format) then using 0.1 the sound will be sync'd pretty well but if you're using -wavonly then you'll need something much lower ~0.04.

Anywho try launch option -wavonly and use default _snd_mixahead (0.1) you'll probably feel that the game is a little smoother (but audiot delayed) then gradually lower it and the experience of the game will change due to more real time processing I would assume.

One more thing... if you look in this folder you'll see that the default file format is .wav :)
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Half-Life\cstrike\sound\

djdallmann on 3 Mar 2017

you are wrong.
first, all versions cs - cs,css,csgo have same problem what we are speaking about. I have more than 16k hours experience in account and I know what I speaking :).
absolutely all version have problem with smooth gameplay.

second, csgo using MP3 files instead WAV, problem is present.

I writing before, but you do not wanna listen, ok
this bug is PART of _game mechanic_. gl with found "patch" ;).

victor910 on 3 Mar 2017

Year the lag is in all games and in dod 1.3 you shall leave _snd_mixahead on 0.1 to avoid sound delay I have also tryed with 0.4 with wavonly and the sound become delayed so keep it on 0.1

Everlastingbulletlag on 3 Mar 2017

But I have another question.. How can my autoexec.cfg change inside when I make it read only?? I also seen files like custom spay wich I change for many years file be present with a hole new install of the game.
When I go into eg. steam cfg or some other files before playing makes steam lag more smooth and wndows menu become faster. It has also impact on smoothness if I go into some windows menus I not often use..

Everlastingbulletlag on 3 Mar 2017

The recoillag are also less present when I defrag my drive and also when I use verify steam files. But lag its still there but a little smoother recoil and game. Wich compared to the things mentioned above makes the files currupted or somrthing?

Everlastingbulletlag on 3 Mar 2017

ps here are some tryouts its from steam supports long time ago. I did it all and suddenly my game was smooth but lag come back again but you can see if it has an impact on your game as well, but its not a fix but could be fun if it did something maby we can get close to a solve.

A staff member kill svarte to your question:

Hi,

Please try the following .:

Exit Steam

Open the folder with Steam (usually C: \ Program Files \ Steam )

Rename "SteamApps" folder to "old_steamapps"

Start Steam again and reinstall the game.

When the installation is complete, test the issue is resolved.

If it is fixed, so you can copy the new files into "old_steamapps" folder and rename it back to "SteamApps" so you do not have to reinstall other games.

If the problem persists, then you can rename "old_steamapps" folder back to "SteamApps" so you do not have to reinstall other games.

Everlastingbulletlag on 3 Mar 2017

or this 1 maby it was that insted. But the link is not present anymore so use ccleaner:

A staff member has replied to your question:

Hej,

Folg denne guide (ENG).

This issue is usually caused by a Windows Registry entry pointing to a hard drive location that is no longer available (External hard drive, or changed drive letter, etc)

Click the Start Button, then "Run" (or Windows Key + R)

Type "regedit"

Browse to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\

Locate the Valve subdirectory and rename it to 'ValveOld'

Then, browse to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\

Locate the Valve subdirectory and rename it to 'ValveOld'

If you are using a 64-bit version of Windows, rename the following folder to 'ValveOld':

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Valve

Restart your computer and re-test the issue.

If you continue to experience issues, download the Microsoft Windows Installer Cleanup Utility, found here:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/Windows_Installer_CleanUp_Utility_d4459.html

Install the application and then run it (It should be in your start menu)

The program should give you a list of several applications on your system.

Go through the entire list and see if Steam is on the list.

Note: The list is only partially in alphabetical order, so make sure to check the list top-to-bottom.

If Steam is on the list, click on it and choose Remove.

After this, reboot your computer and try to reinstall Steam using the installer found at:

http://www.steampowered.com

Everlastingbulletlag on 3 Mar 2017

If you try remeber to launch steam from from steam menu not the shortcut

Everlastingbulletlag on 3 Mar 2017

Hi julius2k, add me on steam if you wish "Eir26".

You seem like the only normal one out of the bunch.

I am sorry but I simply realized I was wasting my time here because those who post here have "net related/rate settings/server related" problems. Every time I see someone complaining about "online lag" I feel stupid just even cause I'm following this thread. I believe the people who know/knew about this problem are long gone cause they either surrendered or solve their problem. Those who are left, except for julius and few others, r just retarded and hopeless. You got 1 guy who, by his own admission, doesn't even know how to update his drivers (and he wonders why his cs sucks), another who played smooth in 2006 with "bots", probably on LAN server, which is a whole different story from ONLINE gaming, or someone who got a shitty slow connection and pretends to experience cs at its peak...
Sorry this might sound offensive to somebody but I had to say it. Online lag is the easiest shit to fix! You need a good dsl or fiber connection and after that is just a matter of proper rates, which should be adjusted on a server basis!
Regarding my game, it still runs perfectly fine, although according to some here, it doesn't run properly cause you should be able to shoot fast as hell and hit everything dead center (facepalm).

Why don't anyone of you post a DEMO of their own this way we can see what we're even talking about...

TheHopeDiesForLast on 5 Mar 2017

Thehope..
You are serious the most fuckup person in this tread why dont you just fuck off. You said you would post a fix but you are just a shit troll and online lag is easy to fix yes but when do you realize that this æag is also offline. How can you say you have a fix when you dont? I think you are away more stupid than those who dont know how to update drivers haha

Everlastingbulletlag on 5 Mar 2017

I addded you to steam ;)

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With regard to guys who don't know how to update drivers, are you
referring to me? I do know how to update drivers. I'm just not familiar
with running system with "driver signature off".

Anyway, apologies for not being perfect like you...

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julius2k on 5 Mar 2017

@TheHopeDiesForLast

What a douche bag!

CloudHaze on 6 Mar 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast
Think you can solve this lag with updating to newest drivers;D That surely show he knows nothing about this lag. He dont even know how to set rates even tough he think he is an expert in it. But to say you have a fix and dont have the fix make me angry. People had this lag for so long and then you just makes fun with us surely tells me what a jerk you are. Also there are many videos on youtube about this recoil lag you provided the link yourself.

Im happy to others who attually trying to fix this lag and not are a troll like you.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 Mar 2017

julius, what is your nick cause I got 2 invitations?

TheHopeDiesForLast on 6 Mar 2017

NOH

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julius2k on 6 Mar 2017

This game is just stupid, it isn't a hardware issue at all, seems like this may come with (Network/connection) buffers, and something related with Audio-dependency+internet

But i think is more about (network buffers, cache, client prediction,) etc etc

CloudHaze on 8 Mar 2017

According to agendars fix, i must say it helps alot on the input lag!

Buy an USB soundcard, for under 10 euros.
Plug in headphone, and disable everything realtek sound in device manager.
(So that you only uses the USB sounddrive) USB Picture

testes for a few days now, and seems much better.

I've still have some stutter/lag ish problems, that wont go away :/

examples:

-Tabbing scoreboard makes my fps drop alot
-random freezes in 1 sec, and ping strikes up to 150, and goes slowly down again.
-just small stutter lags, when encouring enemies...

nikooz on 14 Mar 2017

haha only now u understand that soundcard/driver update makes difference it was posted more than 2years ago.
@nikooz if u play csgo yes tabbing is dropping fps for everyone.

lamapukas on 14 Mar 2017

@lamapukas I didn't notice, sorry for not being in every thread for the last 2 years . . .

And it turned to shit today, there is no fix.. i will forever have this fucking laggy gameplay, and its pissing me off!!!

nikooz on 15 Mar 2017

Sad to hear nikozz. I saw your mail the other day and was close to buy usb soundcard. But how can the lag come back everytime. I really dont get it? Its like something is hacked or something. Why is everybody not having this lag it seems really strange. Steam runs smooth installing first time and then become unsmooth next time you load. Can steam files somehow change? Have anyone triede to install and load new game offline and writeprotect all steamfiles? Dont edit anything in console and in steam options at all and the see if the game become laggy again. I dont know much about this but it should be impossible to get lag when loading steam 2nd time if something aint changed.
I so tired of this lag and especially that Valve dont help us.

Everlastingbulletlag on 15 Mar 2017

@nikooz its ok but it was posted many times that updating realtek audio driver and put it on cd quality makes better performance, well for its for sure..

lamapukas on 15 Mar 2017

Guys, I registered on this site just to write how I fixed my smoothness and fps drop problem in Counter Strike 1.6
All I did is I disabled the text window (cvar hud_saytext)...
How does this help? Well, I realized that everytime I die my fps drops from 99 to 40-50. After a lot of thinking I realized that could be because of the Amx mod or how it is called. When I die the server shows me the stats (for an example who killed me, how much damage was inflicted etc.) which in ends up in a big, colored wall of text when playing in low resolution.
Apparently, the engine renders that wall of text poorly, resulting in fps drop.
The engine also renders the regular text written in the chat poorly (God knows why...beats me).
Disabling the chat window prevents the fps drops ingame. Unfortunately, you cant disable those colored ammx-server-side messages so you still lag when you die, but hey, atleast after disabling chat you dont lag from all those "Fire in the hole" messages during big fights and lots of grenade throwing. So, by disabling chat you are good 99% of time while you are alive and playing.
What I did is I made a keybind for showing/hiding chat. So when I am alive and playing I hide the chat, and when I die I turn on the chat so I can chat with other players.
Anybody having problems with fps drops on servers with 10+ players online should try this, especially if there is lot of messages getting displayed all the time in your chat window.
Believe me. I play on a Dell Latitude with 1st generation integrated Intel graphics. I tried lowering the video quality to the lowest possible with the use of cvars, but I still had those FPS drops. Now after this little tweak I play with the best visual settings with almost constant 99FPS.

JUST FOR REFERENCE:

Before the tweak:
gl_spriteblend 0
gl_picmic 3
gl_round_down 5
gl_ansio 0
gl_max_size 256
-nofbo, -dxlevel 70, -nomsaa
gl_texturemode GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP LINEAR
---- shitty graphics, still having FPS drops from time to time
After the tweak
gl_spriteblend 1
gl_picmic 0
gl_round_down 3
gl_ansio 16
gl_max_size 512
no -nofbo, -dxlevel. -nomsaa in launch commands!
gl_texturemode GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP LINEAR
---- Great graphics, 99 almost constant fps

axss273 on 22 Mar 2017

@axss273 maybe it's good who has shitty pcs or with integrated graphic card but this thread about unsmoothness and choppines, u can have constant 500fps if u want but still have unsmooth cs 1.6/go

lamapukas on 22 Mar 2017

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Axss273 Thanks for at least trying to fix this strange lag. Its kind og you.

I have this syntem build:
Asuz rog swift pg278qr monitor 165hz 1ms
Mobo. MSI z270 gaming pro. with Intel I5 7600 Kaby Lake cpu running 4,2 ghz overclocked.
Gfx MSI Nvidia GeForce 1070 8gb
Ssd Samsung nmve m2
Corsair Vengeance 16gb ddr4 dual-ch. 3733mhz
Deep Cool Gammamax 400 - Cpu cooler
Corsair RMx series RM750x 80 plus gold
Keyborad Corsair k95 rgb
Mouse Logitec G900 Chaos Spect. pullingrate 1ms

Isp: got 100mb dowload and 30upload all connected wired both modem, keyboard and mouse.

I can get alot of fps but stil I have this recoil lag, mouse lag, movement lag (prone and jumping is delayed) is had to hit bullets and knife makes no damage, my aim wont go steady as fast as it should, delaying when seeing enemies. Its like thry see me 1 sec. before I see them. I have the same problem with 4 diffenrent pc's and I have tried so many settings. I think its eighter old cables from isp box to my apartment or jitter to onboard clock or steam files being corupt in someway or its just the source engine is doing this lag to some players. Its so strange this lag and Valve is totally passive even though more and more players complane about it also in csgo now.

Im almost done trying to solve this couse I have worked for a solution since 2004 i think.

But I will look at this thread everyday to see if someone solve it. Many players dont belive in this lag and I understand them in some way cos its very odd. But I hoped that all players could solve it together wich would be the fastes way. And trust me I rather play than write inhere but I just want the game to be fair and its absolutly not now.

Last thing I get alot of prediting errors when I make show errors in console does anyone know if this is normal or? I tried to solve it with cl_smoothtime but with no luck. Maby if its not norm. We could send a video to Valve. What about error logs can that tell us someting about this lag? I not much into that stuf but maby some of you are?

Futher I cant stop thinking about TheHopDieForLast guy.. Cos if he was a trool he wouldnt write a so long message I think.
I wich he could tell what he found out of. But I know I didnt write the most good things about him. But its only cos Im fustrating because of this lag:/

Have a nice day all of you:)

Everlastingbulletlag on 22 Mar 2017

Ps I know my isp have changed the cabels from street to the box in the building where I live not so long ago but i dont think they put new cable up from the box to my appartment could it be that bottlenecking? But as told before the lag is also offline so it suddent matter? But I try to think in any possible solution. I have tried to turn off firewall etc. in my modem and antivirus in gamemode nothing helps. When installing a game in steam for the first time reg is great but after loading second time the bullet dont registrating at all. Therefore I wonder if steam files can change. I tried to do read only on all files where the game is installed and I just loaded create a new game changed nothing only fastswich and keyboard binding and mousefilter. I close the game and closed steam. Made the files read only and maby the reg was a litlle better next time I loaded even turn off pc. I didnt type cl_downloadfilter but can it be serv. files corupted if its not steam files being corrupted?

I know some say that cl_lw 0 makes the recoil smooth. But the command is illeagal. But have Valve changed this? Cos I know you could change it in the past. But maby only in the padt with sv_cheat set to 1 or?

Everlastingbulletlag on 22 Mar 2017

yes, this problem was arrival to game since 2004. what was happens in 2004?

victor910 on 23 Mar 2017

Victor910

The Source engine was released and implementering the client to calculate the player possition and shots before the server descide who dies for compensate for bad ping players. The "reality" you see when you play is not the reality of the server. It delayed and quite notible. Lagcompansation should as I know try to minimise this but makes senarios where you get shot far behind walls and here I dont talk about getting shot by sniperrifle like awp but also getting shot around corners with the AK47. I dont know if this can have done something with the interpolation lag I suffer fro. But with reguards to the recoil lag I saw in 2004 there was a big recoil cleint update maby that cause recoil going odd. But again why inly some expirence this? I can make a link to the recoil update in 2004 if you wonna see?

I dont know if these things can cause this but maby?

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Mar 2017

yes, you are right, source engine was released.
next question, what said Gabe in this moment?
p.s. I will help you found answer in this problem, but after your understand what going on, you will uninstall CS ...

victor910 on 23 Mar 2017

Victor910 I will commente later tiday Im going to a meeting right now. But sad if I shall uninstall steam but I have tought of this many times. And about to run out of solutions other than this:/

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Mar 2017

Sorry mate, you don't found solution, It's not a bug, It's part of game mechanic. if you wanna playing in the future do not try understand this :)

victor910 on 23 Mar 2017

Called client sided hit detection?:@ I could be the reason I must say..

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Mar 2017

no.
you are forgive or don' know, Gabe said in 2004 -

since 2004 two noobs always kill one PRO.

try to understand, how that was been implemented. this very impotent.

victor910 on 23 Mar 2017

Actually I dont know but could it have something to do with random bullets not hitting the same spot?;O If so its the most game destroying feature ever..
But if thats is it why dont all have this lag Victor?

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Mar 2017

everyone have "lag" but in different time.

victor910 on 23 Mar 2017

Hey guys haven't commented in a while, something that has been working for me straight is to

Modify this registry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Games and then put this files like me:

Affinity = 0.0000
Background Only = false
Clock Rate= 2710
GPU Priority = this has to be 1<-- not like reddits says about 8 thats not okay set (1)
Priority = 1 Same this has to be 1
Scheduling Category = High
SFIO Priority = High

Now lemme explain why we need to set 1 instead of 6 or 8, this works for priority that has low impact (LOW) even for games like Cs 1.6 and cs:go are low foreground processs, and if we set to 6-8 we will notice like visual degrading performance.

Okay second thing to do, we need to test if our motherboard and window sync are okay, otherwhise we will have alot DPC LATENCY

Dowload PCClockTiming
goo.gl/7l6F5x <-- url

Now extract and let it run, then refresh, and take note in:
Time For QueryPerformanceCounter Calls= if it is more than 9, you will need to shutdown or turn off the Hpet First in your Windows, by going to device manager, system, and disabling (HIGH EVENT PRECISION TIMER) now reboot pc, and check again the QueryPerformanceCounter, if it still high above than 10-15 like (100-200,300,400) you will need to disable HPET in BIOS, once you done, reboot pc, and look again for the Query, if it drop from 100 U to 9-50, is totally okay

Once you realize that everything is good, set this commands in command prompt:
bcdedit /set tscsyncpolicy Enhanced
And then set:
bcdedit /deletevalue tscynpolicy

restart pc, and see if your gaming experience its better, i notice my game are very smooth :) since 5-6 days ago. , sometimes my pc gets visually lag, because (EMI-RFI) whole the day, but rcoil and jump are very very smooth as it should be, so good luck and if this help you guys, thumbs ups +1

Thanks.

CloudHaze on 23 Mar 2017

Ah okay, but I have the lag always. Only sometimes it goes away for very short periode of time. Normaly for 1 houre but with new pc I havent tried it dissapire. But maby your right Vitor:)

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Mar 2017

Cloudhaze that sound very good!! If this fix works it could be fantastic. I would like to try it but Im a little skeptic about doing this to my new pc. Can some with a older pc confirm that this work or not? Cause then I do it. But it sound quite trough its about windows being out of sync with mobo and clocktiming is wrong wich will eksplane why other players see me before I see them.

Nice you still make and effort to solve this!! So kind of you:-)

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Mar 2017

CloudHaze is it possible to do some of the steps in your fix backwoods?

Eg make Hpet off and and write the cmd commands and maby do the registry fix so I can see if it getting better just ajustting some of it so I dont have to download the program and do as little change to my new system or is it very important to do step by step as you did?

Could be so cool if you fix this lag!!;-)

Everlastingbulletlag on 23 Mar 2017

_you will need to disable HPET in BIOS_

usual this parameter do not present in BIOS

victor910 on 24 Mar 2017

bcdedit /deletevalue _tscynpolicy_

must be _tscsyncpolicy_, but what a reason to added and immediately remove?

victor910 on 25 Mar 2017

Thanks Victor910 for the tscsyncpolicy, i wrote it bad.

I'll explain it is because I was putting step by step what i did, and you are correct, this is better to remove instead of activating, but every motherboard and OS configurations are different,
That's why I highly recommend to dowload Timertool before to enable or disable
But the gpu and cpu priority regedit worth alot too.
And yes these things wont harm your computers.

CloudHaze on 25 Mar 2017

Guys guess what. I fucked up my mobo :D. I fucked up pretty badly and most
stupidest way. I' ve been changing cooling paste ,and i just somehow fucked
up the pins on socket, i dont even know how could i do this but it
happened. Going to take new msi b85-g43 in next day. roast me please i
deserve it

agendar on 25 Mar 2017

@agendar holy shit, HOOW hahaha 🗡

nikooz on 26 Mar 2017

F.u.c.k t.h.i.s g.a.m.e

nikooz on 28 Mar 2017

👍1

ok so here is my report: i bought msi b85-g43 mobo, there is almost no
'advanced settings' in bios, no matter which values i change , game is
fucked like half-year ago, even more, i can litteraly feel the
acceleration. So guess what, i refunded it and paid some extra cash to get
asus h97-plus which is almost same mobo like h97m-e which i had before i
fucked up (its just atx form instead of matx and it has two more pcie
slots.. Im gonna install it to my case tommorow. I swear i was working
without problem on that asus mobo october or november i dont remember now.
This one msi omg itso fucked up , i dont even know why but instead of range
250-300 fps i had its like 180-230-270 and audio delay and stuttering is
also huge even with usb soundcard. I also noticed that this mobo is using
just 4pin power connection while the previous one was 8pin. Just tried to
take a competitive game day ago and when i saw how it was running during
warmup iam so happy that our fifth player doesnt came. Also dota feels
sluggish, and went from 180-220 fps to 110-130. Seems like chipset or
motherboard and it's functions have really something to do with this. Dunno

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agendar on 28 Mar 2017

How many years need more for undeStranding, its do not related to hardware&software&operation system - problem in GAME.
I say more, it's not a problem , it's part a game, was been special implement in game. It's good or not that another story.

victor910 on 29 Mar 2017

Hey all

Havent been here for a while. But I desided to quite playing any Steam game. I dont belive this problem is getting solved.

Agenda Im sorry to hear about your mb was broken but good you will get a new one;)

Victor I maby think you are right in your statement but still Im in doubt because dont all people have this lag. I have it always and so should others have if its a Valve mechanic.
Also if its game mechanic why do lag disapire when pluggin in speakes into front jacks. I dont think it makes sense??

But I will tell you I downloaded drivers for my wireless conection from Qualcomm and manual updated my wireless driver in devise manager and the lag in windows was gone. But only short. Therefor I think maby something with with internet or som drivers wich we have overseen? The driver wasnt a exe it was a some *.sys files.

I affaid to destroy my new pc therefor I wont try a fix unless many say we got a fix. I tried your fix CloudHaze but not the full fix you described but only disable HPET and disable High Event Precitio Timer but my net got quazy and my Arma3 fucked up in workshop he, so maby the full fix would have been better;D

But I will look this tread everyday to see if there is a fix.

Pleaze fix it guys he your are amasing still trying after so many years but I dont with Valve:( unless the shit is getting fixed..

I will just for fun play csgo but I brought my new pc cos I would play competative so spend so many money on nothing thank god Valve:( Why dont they try to help us? Money maby? But how about having the true customers satified? I really dont understand why we are left aline with this problem sadly..

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 Mar 2017

actually no its not just valve's fault. I run smooth again (asus h97-plus),
had msi b85m-g43 for three days, not single game played (except two games
of dota), i tryed to play one competetive match in go and it was big
mistake but luckily the last guy did not came so i dont even tried to play
next, warmup was enought for me. Refunded mobo and gets my asus board, no
problem now (with exactly bios setting). Dunno, this problem is very
complex. Also i think its not just valve's fault, well maybe ok, goldsrc is
outdated and source engine is also crap and bad optimised. Maybe source 2
can be answer for csgo, because dota 2 is now already running source2 and
atleast me can feel that its running much smoother like before source2 came
to dota, but also many other users are saying opposite.

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Hey all

Havent been here for a while. But I desided to quite playing any Steam
game. I dont belive this problem is getting solved.

Agenda Im sorry to hear about your mb was broken but good you will get a
new one;)

Victor I maby think you are right in your statement but still Im in doubt
because dont all people have this lag. I have it always and so should
others have if its a Valve mechanic.
Also if its game mechanic why do lag disapire when pluggin in speakes into
front jacks. I dont think it makes sense??

But I will tell you I downloaded drivers for my wireless conection from
Qualcomm and manual updated my wireless driver in devise manager and the
lag in windows was gone. But only short. Therefor I think maby something
with with internet or som drivers wich we have overseen? The driver wasnt a
exe it was a some *.sys files.

I affaid to destroy my new pc therefor I wont try a fix unless many say we
got a fix. I tried your fix CloudHaze but not the full fix you described
but only disable HPET and disable High Event Precitio Timer but my net got
quazy and my Arma3 fucked up in workshop he, so maby the full fix would
have been better;D

But I will look this tread everyday to see if there is a fix.

Pleaze fix it guys he your are amasing still trying after so many years
but I dont with Valve:( unless the shit is getting fixed..

I will just for fun play csgo but I brought my new pc cos I would play
competative so spend so many money on nothing thank god Valve:( Why dont
they try to help us? Money maby? But how about having the true customers
satified? I really dont understand why we are left aline with this problem
sadly..

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agendar on 29 Mar 2017

You are absolutly right Agenda but the reason why I blame Valve is not that the problem is there fault but the fact that they dont try to help us. I buy a game like many others csgo and the bulletregistry and game speed are so bad that we cant play competative but most players dont have the problem but for us who have its destroying the gameplay totally. And I think when I pay alot of money for games and tryed to buy new Steam account new pc's and optimise my network and nothing helps then Valve who knows much than me and many others must try to help us solving this.

Further I think many new players dont know they got the lag just blame the game to have bad bullettegistry. And therefor they dont tell Steam support about it. They just play or wuite playing. The lag is hard to see but experienced player know quickly that something is terrible wrong.

When playing csgo and css it should feels exactly like cs 1.6 in old days I mean no keybord lag.. fast mouse and game speed and shot should registrate a long time ago. I feels like complete other game when I play. The reason why I know this is because I have seen the game working proberly when lag very rare stops and I shot everybody who usually shot me because of this lag.

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 Mar 2017

People still not applying my latest method, that works :|

CloudHaze on 30 Mar 2017

Everlastingbulletlag,

You're spot on in this matter. The day somone comes up with a solution/fix will be a good one for sure. If this problem didn't exist i'd probably be a pro by now, no joke.

6lac on 31 Mar 2017

well yuriy looks like for everyone is working something else. When i posted
half year ago post about how i fixed my game , nobody even tried and now i
know why, because it worked only for me. 4example i made excact same clock
settings in mobo i had 4 days ago and i had to refund it, because my fix
didnt worked for that mobo. I paid extra 40e to get h97-plus which is
almost same mobo i had and i can play smooth again. for example this is how
my mouse movement and recoil is smooth on deathmatch (its just example) ,
the server was 128tick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTboL0-u5qU&feature=youtu.be . absolutely
no stutter, speedy game and smooth movement speed.

agendar on 31 Mar 2017

@agendar nice smooth video, cau u post ur fix again? :D

lamapukas on 31 Mar 2017

This problem doesn't exist in csgo its just placeboo effect from 1.6
I'm inactive cause i already fixed this problem by buying another pc lol, but on my new pc 1.6 runs like shit and csgo runs smooth as fuck

Kosta4934 on 31 Mar 2017

ofc it exists in csgo and almost in everygame, not just in goldsrc, source
games. i play quake live sometimes and even it runs much smoother, even bo3
its running much smoother for me now. its just input lag which we cant
determine what is causing it, i think it depends on individual pc setup.

agendar on 1 Apr 2017

@agendar can u post ur fix? ur csgo is looks so smooth, i have asus z97-a almost same mobo as urs

lamapukas on 1 Apr 2017

gonna post it tommorow in evening

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agendar on 1 Apr 2017

@agendar ok thanks i will wait.

lamapukas on 1 Apr 2017

It seems that Ryzen is running much smoother than any Intel CPU. I also notice that all AM4 motherboards have a "smartphone" clock type (usually more stable than PC crap clock) right next to the socket to feed the CPU, which is good because in circuit boards more distance means more jitter.

xxxMarioxxx on 4 Apr 2017

@agendar so u will post ur fix?

lamapukas on 7 Apr 2017

Have u guys tried this :
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/646v5q/fps_boost_with_windows_10_update/
?

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julius2k on 8 Apr 2017

Too good to be true? How this video feels to you guys? Its not much but your opinions? :)

https://youtu.be/UDYTCbmFsto

venhyy on 12 Apr 2017

venhyy I havent played cs 1.6 (only dod 1.2 1.3) much but recoil seems vey nice but I feel that you got a little mouse lag? wich is a part of recoil lag. But when you press duck is looks like its also smooth wich with recoil lag it take ages to sit down. Actually late night 2 days ago suddenly my movements with mouse and pressing keyboard keys was turning abit towards normal (exstrem fast) also steam menues was really fast. But it got back to slow maby I think it was because I installed new gxf driver like when you install steam for the first time installing any driver or program steam becomes very fast until you quite the game or within hours.

What did you do to solve?

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Apr 2017

Saw the video again and your mouse actually do not look laggy;)

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Apr 2017

Yea I m, aware of mouse lag and unaccurate aiming but its cause of my poor broken Kinzu. I would try another one.

venhyy on 12 Apr 2017

If this lag is ever solved I will play for 24 hours with out sleep😂😉 I what to show all that told me your brain lag, you cant aim l2p etc.. how they were wrong and I will say that the pro players are not the best😂 Could be the greastes day in steam history and all the people who tell me to write rank in the server when having this lag would shut up forever and see how wrong they was. Its not I seek revenche but could be fun to show them real skillz he;) Im shure all who have this lag have something to show if its solved😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Apr 2017

Okay venhy😂 I give you a logitec g900 if you solve the lag..

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Apr 2017

A fix for all

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Apr 2017

You have my word on that.. wich is alot when I tell people that they have my word..

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Apr 2017

which lag u mean? Mouse precision is poor cuz of broken sensor on Kinzu and my old mousepad :) Game itself is rly fast and smooth same as another games.

I tweak tons of shit and make own Windows ISO.

CSGO test -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pcadzjmPiA&feature=youtu.be

venhyy on 12 Apr 2017

sorry pukas gimme few more days (its not even fix just bios settings, ) ,
im testing some things when i have some free time. i will text later,

agendar on 13 Apr 2017

im waiting and waiting and waiting on @agendar i tried all things

w4Ld1 on 26 Apr 2017

Venhyy its the recoil/bullet lag I mean everything is laggy. My mouse, keyboard (delay when press duck and side movement delag), croshair or aim wont go steady long time after I stop moving) delay in seeing enemies (it sometimes looks like enemies are using speedhaxx when comming around a corner), no bullet registration, game feels really slow. Nades are flying strange ( and eg. in dod 1.3 the nades explodes in different time, wich they never shold) and mg get hot quicker than normal when holding down fire button. Its like the game is out of sync in someway. I know it dosent seem like lag in grafic but and new players wont see the lag. The reason why I knows its there is that I remember the old dod 1.3 and sometimes really rare though the game was back to normal in short time. Also in css I saw it getting back to normal and the game was so fast, mouse work perfect and movements like a dream. So all stuff I mentioned here is the same lag I just call it recoil/bullet lag and if you solve it so I can play right on my new pc I give you a mouse G900 or 2 new steamgames maby steam games are easyier if you live far away?:) But I dont what to tweak alot for solving this cos its not about tweaking this problem maby you can get a okay working game by tweaking but Im shure its a single fix with a steam file cos the bullets registrating amasing when steam is installed forst time, and when you launch it second time the lag comes back. Steam I think remove installations files after first time you run it and alot of server junk files ate installed so therefor I maby think its something with the gamefiles become currupted or changed after installation. But now I done with steam/valve cos its in all games and they dont help us, so yesterday I brought Overwatch (Blizzard) and no Steam/Valve is needed and movements was so fast when I press duck my hero duck so fast:)
I hope so much the csgo will be fixed but I have spend since 2004 trying to solve and I getting lazy about it now cos its like waste of life and time.

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Apr 2017

try this guys new fix or placebo
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/677tjj/possible_fps_and_latency_fix_which_i_was_looking/

lamapukas on 26 Apr 2017

not working, recoil bug + delayed movement still here

w4Ld1 on 1 May 2017

w4Ld1

I agree.. Same lag is pressent. I wounder if anyone can find out wich files in Steam is changed are first install. Its only the steam userdata wich change or? Cos then we could try install the game and then copy this folder to eg. desktop an delete the one in steam after playing and past the one on desktop in everytime before playing. I tryed that but then you have to setup game settings everytime as I remember. Therefore I was loading a local server with bots after first install and exit after setting game options. Then I exit the game copy all steam files to desktop and past e it in everytime. But I not much into how files change and so on so maby some of you could do a better research on this. I did this because of steam has god shot registration after installing the game for the first time. And is changed after loading second time. Therefore I think some of the files are changed. Why would it else be unsmooth and no reg second time loading?

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

I thourgt this further. Cos maby if we did this then maby usinging an autoexec.cfg could past in everytime pasting in steamfiles to secure right gamesettings so you dont have to change them everytime. Then you dont have to load a new local game in first place just make a autoexec.cfg before uninstall the game. Just a thourgt:)

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

This post shows how lame Valve is. Just installed CSGO not only i have same problems but i have huge fps drops. Tried on 1.6 still even worst the only game i can play normally is Counter Strike Source but it lacks community

Kosta4934 on 1 May 2017

They are literally breaking rules. I spend 30$ to have buggy unplayable shit? (CSS,CSGO,CS1.6,CS:CZ) If anyone can post on steam about this and trying to be a bit offensive hopefully someone will answer.

We need to sue them.

Kosta4934 on 1 May 2017

Kosta

The recoil/bullet lag is also in CSGO, and I cant make it go away. But I can give you all my settings cos I did get ride of gpu lag with Nvidia and more smooth gameplay even though the recoil/bullet lag is still there I could sometimes hit some enemies. I saw a guy playing yeaterday with no recoil/bullet lag at all. He owned all other players. But many of the orther players had lag but I dont think it was recoil/bullet lag. Just normal lag. So the game should not have lag at all but some acoounts its strikeing and there is no solve yet.

In order to Valve breaking the rules. Im in a twist. Cos in my country we have to years of returning a bad product. But I dont know how its when you buy a game over the internet. They are under Amrican law I think. But it could be fun to see if they have to refound all the money paid for CSGO. If my pc is good and isp is good the only place the problem could be in Steam or Valve. They write in their site that you cant get money back I think. But its against the law and Im thinking if we all clame to get the money back. There would be many people seen this and maby they would get the finger out and help us..

Btw I have already contacted Valve do to this lag and in the start they replyed with some fixes and my game was shortly with out lag. But came back after somewhile and they didnt answer after I got mad and write if they all was sleeping at steam support;DDD But I know it was abit stupid of me but I get so fustrated.

Let me hear if you want me to send you some fixes with gpu lag or make game more smooth desite that you will still have the recoil/bullet lag.

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

Go on lad tell us everything you know

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The recoil/bullet lag is also in CSGO, and I cant make it go away. But I
can give you all my settings cos I did get ride of gpu lag with Nvidia and
more smooth gameplay even though the recoil/bullet lag is still there I
could sometimes hit some enemies. I saw a guy playing yeaterday with no
recoil/bullet lag at all. He owned all other players. But many of the
orther players had lag but I dont think it was recoil/bullet lag. Just
normal lag. So the game should not have lag at all but some acoounts its
strikeing and there is no solve yet.

In order to Valve breaking the rules. Im in a twist. Cos in my country we
have to years of returning a bad product. But I dont know how its when you
buy a game over the internet. They are under Amrican law I think. But it
could be fun to see if they have to refound all the money paid for CSGO. If
my pc is good and isp is good the only place the problem could be in Steam
or Valve. They write in their site that you cant get money back I think.
But its against the law and Im thinking if we all clame to get the money
back. There would be many people seen this and maby they would get the
finger out and help us..

Btw I have already contacted Valve do to this lag and in the start they
replyed with some fixes and my game was shortly with out lag. But came back
after somewhile and they didnt answer after I got mad and write if they all
was sleeping at steam support;DDD But I know it was abit stupid of me but I
get so fustrated.

Let me hear if you want me to send you some fixes with gpu lag or make
game more smooth desite that you will still have the recoil/bullet lag.

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julius2k on 1 May 2017

Julius and Kosta here it comes;D

1: Try to disabling Contana and serchUI.exe if you dont already have done it. I saw it using resorses in devicemanager even though I had deaktivated in windows admin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3fo738/how_to_completely_remove_cortana_background/

but maby search is still active afterwoods so try this or google yourself
or see this link below wich I used myself because I already disable it but saw it running in searchUI.exe as I remb. Look at the 45 number in the "left side" thats what I used..

https://superuser.com/questions/949569/can-i-completely-disable-cortana-on-windows-10

Try these launch options in Steam:

-nomsaa +cl_updaterate 128 +cl_cmdrate 128 +rate 786432 +cl_interp 0 +cl_interp_ratio 1 -noforcemaccel -noforcemparms -noforcemspd -console -novid +cl_forcepreload 1 -threads 4 -high -freq 144 -fps_max 144 -nod3d9ex1 +exec autoexec.cfg -nocache -tickrate 128

of cause only these settings if you got 144hz monitor and 786432 is only recomended for a very good connection. Google it if you dont know how to set it right or ask me then I post link.
Also remb treads are set to how many treads cores you have in your pc thats important
I can get around 300-500 fps if I wont but I cap it to match monitor 144hz.

Maby try first disable Contana
and make -nocache in launchoption
I maby think it was abit more smoooth there but with gpu lag maby some of the other things help you:)

Settings in Csgo:

http://i.imgur.com/y4VhUFp.jpg

Low gpu settings for best preformance

http://i.imgur.com/XaIwTlV.jpg

Mouse and sentivity(high)

http://i.imgur.com/PwbgFn5.jpg

The last one is to be shure that profil-sharing is off

Nvidia setting (sorry its in Dansish but I hope you can understand it even though:

http://i.imgur.com/P6INoZ7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ls6TsYY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DZylE5K.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BZ5RKVa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NL8Eexw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tx1rVhm.jpg

And an little autoexec.cfg I made just to test:

cl_updaterate "128"
cl_cmdrate "128"
fps_max "144"
rate "786432"
net_graph "1"
m_rawinput "0"
m_mousespeed "0"
cl_forcepreload "1"
cl_disablehtmlmode "1"
mat_queue_mode "-2"
r_drawtracers_firstperson "0"
r_eyegloss "0"
r_eyemove "0"
r_eyeshift_x "0" //No Eye Movement X-Angel.//
r_eyeshift_y "0" //No Eye Movement Y-Angel.//
r_eyeshift_z "0" //No Eye Movement Z-Angel.//
r_eyesize "0" //Smaller Eyes.//
m_customaccel_exponent "0.0"
cl_predict "1"
cl_lagcompensation "1"
cl_interp_ratio "1"
cl_interp "0"
cl_allowdownload "0"

Make sure could, steaming and broadcast is off in steamsettings:)
I hope I help you solving the lag but it dont solve recoil/bullet lag unfortunetly:...(

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I also got wired internet
wired mouse G900
Keyboard K95 rgb
around 113 Mbit down
and around 13Mbit up

I should have no lag at all but I have the recoil/bullet lag despite everything look fine and also tempertures, isp and latency is very low 5-20

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

ps
Mouse is set to
frequency 500 p/s

and normaly I turn off trippelbuffing off in Csgo but I just leave it on because the lag is less so I wont change it

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag
omg those launch options. u don't need -threads and -high they will give u only fps drop/stuttering, just use -novid -freq -tickrate 128

lamapukas on 1 May 2017

Thanks for trying to help but my problem in CSGO is only recoil/bullet related.

Kosta4934 on 1 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag

Kan du add mig på steam? http://steamcommunity.com/id/niikoz

nikooz on 1 May 2017

Lamapuka
I will try that and I have heard that treads i useless nowadays cos the game is made for mulititreads right? So I will delete it I just made the one quickly.

Kosta4934
I you are welcome:-) I feel with you.. I also got disaponted when I brought new pc and lauched both Csgo, Css and dod 1.3 But I simply cant solve it. I have tryed everything like you have. Its the most odd lag ever and its so hard to prove. But do you also suffer from bullets not registrating and see enemies later then they see you? I think its all part of recoil lag. Otherwise have 2 diffenrent lag types but I think its related so its the recoil lag wich does the hole thing making the game out of sync.

Valve or steam plz help us!! This tread is so long and we would be so happy if you did:-)

I'v also heard people complain about it in Battlefeild dont know if was trough Steam also but....

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

Ja kan jeg godt Nikooz:-) Så en tråd du havde lavet, hvor der var et link til DeJohny med samme recoil problem..

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

I believe that the whole system is affected by the problem, not just steam. I'm moving in a new apartment in 14 days, buying a brand new PC and if the problem is following suit, I'll kill myself.

nikooz on 1 May 2017

He yes I hate this problem spent so many hours solving it. But are you changing isp? I saw you have Tdc and I have yousee wich is pretty much the same. I have tryed to buy new account hole 3 new but only one with new mail adress and I cant remember if the problem short was solved there but it came back even then. But maby worse a try?

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

Could you add me? :)

nikooz on 1 May 2017

I have done it Nikooz. It tool me it wait for you to accept

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

can't see it. your steamname?

nikooz on 1 May 2017

BELLROCK

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

Kan du linke?

nikooz on 1 May 2017

Kan se jeg har sendt en invite er du online? For der står du ikke har været online i mere end et år he..

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 May 2017

http://imgur.com/a/leX75

nikooz on 1 May 2017

nikooz

Just buy an Amd Ryzen to see what happens. Many ppl are reporting that ryzen is butter smooth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IOcFE4yho&t

xxxMarioxxx on 1 May 2017

@nikooz In my apartment when someone turn light off my screen on computer blinks for a second it always happen. I didn't played CS for like 2 years I'm desperate for solution :(

Kosta4934 on 4 May 2017

Shall we make reddit post for this??

Kosta4934 on 4 May 2017

Hey Kosta4934

Men light dont goes out at my place but the lag is still present. I dont think its isp related aften playing at my freind yesterday.. Maby motherboard or steamfiles related..

Everlastingbulletlag on 4 May 2017

I only got eletrick grounded itøn wetrooms and no further..

Everlastingbulletlag on 4 May 2017

Lol its has been a while, its funny because I damage my motherboard h55m-e33 lol i bent the cpu sockets pins AHAHAH

Now im waiting for my
Amd ryzen 1600+stock cooler
Motherboard: Asrock Fatality Ab350 Gaming K4 (i know VRM of this arent 6, actually 3.3) but stillgood
ram: 2x4 Patriot 3200 mhz (im very lucky to pay for this 67$ instead of 113$

the only bad thing is my GTx 580 video card that is to weak, but im happy because AMD motherboard are more reliable than intel, when comes to CPU SOCKET at least... :D

CloudHaze on 4 May 2017

Cloudhaze
I curois about the Rysen;) If it fix the shit then Msi is past;D But if its not is steam files or source engine for sure.. Gpu has nothing to do with it;)

Everlastingbulletlag on 4 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag

Idk from where to start anymore..
I'm starting to think that Valve cursed us with broken game haha :worried: :laughing:

Kosta4934 on 4 May 2017

Have anyone tested how the game works on same "broken" configurations just on another user :question:

Kosta4934 on 4 May 2017

Kosta if its Valve its only some of the accounts wich are infected. Cos when I play I see most people dont have the lag. But I hope Ryzen works or maby when Csgo is launched in source 2 engine the lag disapire. Else Im done with all Steam games and Valve..

Everlastingbulletlag on 4 May 2017

I have tryed 2 other accounts the lag is still present. But when buying the 2nd one the lag was gone for like half and hour but not from start I played like 2 days with the lag then suddenly everything came smooth I was also trying out Steam support suggestion so I dont know if it was the account or suggestion by Steam support wich did the job. But 3rd account lag was there always but the first launch and it was a new account on new pc.

Everlastingbulletlag on 4 May 2017

2nd account was with another email so maby that did something I dont know..

Everlastingbulletlag on 4 May 2017

There are many things that can affect a performance PC!

1- Bad sectors on hard-drive
2- Faulty Memory
3- Faulty PSU, voltages jumping and stuff
4- Bad overclocking

And sometimes a good hard-reset CPU can help. but if you have a faulty hard-drive, you will notice that slowframe rate, by the way seems like intel have more input lag, than AMD nowadays anyway.. maybe in 2005 cyber athelthe there was a special INTEL OR AMD computers with a better structure to access more fast to CPU by avoiding lag etc.

CloudHaze on 4 May 2017

By the way check your intel motherboard cpu socket pins, check that everything is well set, and check for bent pints, bent pints can cause performance issues too

CloudHaze on 4 May 2017

Messing with your PC configurations is ridicilous this have nothing to do with it.

Kosta4934 on 5 May 2017

Back in days playing 1.6 on old old Pentium 4 Windows XP and still managing to run it smooth as fuck. :crying_cat_face:

That's why im 100% sure that this problem have nothing to do with configurations.

Kosta4934 on 5 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag We can't do anything here. We need to make new topic on Reddit about this problem.. add me 521Costa

Kosta4934 on 5 May 2017

Yes I agree with you Kosta. It cant be configurations when you have recoil lag. I have tryed so many settings and the only one solved the problem for real was when I plugged old headphones into front panel. It was fixed rightaway. But after playing 15min-30min the lag came back. I have the lag on 3 pc's with different setup. But what can change when you plug old headphones in front panel?? I dont work on my new pc and only when I did it first time on the old one..
About virus then I saw a tread with Steam changing something I dont know if it was upd related but I will try to find the tread and post it here. But they havent fix hole Europe but all in America.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

Couldnt find the tread but it was something changed or update with steam server and network makeibg it more quik and save I think

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag

It's sad because for 7 years no one managed to even find what is causing this problem. I'm now pretty sure that Valve have their hands involved in this.

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

I'm asking again if someone here can help me with post on CS Reddit? I want to make good text and make people believe us. If i make rant post by myself only no one will believe me and majority of comments would be "git gud" "learn2play" "you suck"...

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

I dont think we need to make a reddit post. People have been adressed with
this issue few times already j0hny and oskarish i think had this issue with
csgo..

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julius2k on 6 May 2017

Og cause they have I think its maby related to cl_lw 1 insted 0 cause alot of player said that it fixed the recoil lag. And I heard that cs was wit this before sourceengine was launch.

I will post alot of link and backing you up if you do a new tread Kosta just post the link to where I can find it

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

https://www.google.dk/amp/steamed.kotaku.com/valve-finally-addresses-counter-strikes-biggest-problem-1706152643/amp

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

I read the DeJohny post he got exactly the same lag..

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

This guy on youtube - retart has worlds smoothest game ever . I dont have a
clue it looks so clean and perfect that i am about to think its some sort
of aim assistance or insanely perfectly synced gaming setup which allows
game run at its best. I tried sending him a message but little jerk would
not respond

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julius2k on 6 May 2017

Shit registry is happening in every game my biggest problem is recoil, sloppy movement, sudden lag, people kill me without even having time to react, slow bullet firerate, etc.. The link you gave me have nothing to do with our problem maybe registry but they don't have constantly registry problems like we do.

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

@julius2k What is the video lol xD

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

Kosta bullets dont registration and recoil lag and getting killed before you can react is all connected to tecoil lag.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

That's what im telling you. Those people that whine don't have same problem as us. They don't have recoil problem at all

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

I think you are right about that but recoil lag comes slowly not from 1 day to the other. So maby bulletlag is only the start and then they get recoil lag later.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

I rember when my recoil lag came it started with enemies shoting me first so I told em to stop cheating. But it was the recoil lag and then slowly recoil and bullet lag was getting worse and worse and also movement and mouse lag was comming.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

Yea when you are in position where you wait for them to come out you have advantage but it doesn't work like that in our case. They show up fast as light and kill you when you barely see them. I also blamed whole server for cheating but then I watched my demo and realised how fucked up this problem is. It's like playing in slowmotion but enemies move like with speed hack.

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hJUnL_WZbQ here is one of many his videos
its just perfectly smooth,

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Yea when you are in position where you wait for them to come out you have
advantage but it doesn't work like that in our case. They show up fast as
light and kill you when you barely see them. I also blamed whole server for
cheating but then I watched my demo and realised how fucked up this problem
is. It's like playing in slowmotion but enemies move like with speed hack.

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julius2k on 6 May 2017

Exactly Kosta Im totally sure we got same lag. Its imossble to shot any1. Even if they have higher ping and are new players they just shot you and you have no chance to react. Its like they lag abit comming around a corner. But yes agree it has noghting to do with peaker advantage. The game is broken. And even pro players a starting to get this and people who say we can aim etc must realize that the problem is real. All those videos posted on youtube and so on must be a wake up call. The good thing is many players are getting it so Valve have to take affair else nobody will play their games anymore.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

Julius yes thats how the game should be. I remember when css was suddenly good my recoil and bullet registry was exactly like that.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag I don't think communnity is fully aware of this problem since there is really low amount of people that have this kind of problem

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

No thats is right but i looks like more and more players are getting it. And therfore Valve have to fix it. But still I really cant get into my brain why not everyone have this. If is was a cvar wich is changed then every player should be infected.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

I hope Source 2 can so something with it. It would be like a miracules;D But it would also be funny to see pros getting owned;DD

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag Me too bro I really have no clue what this could be. And i don't know why there is no much attention to this problem. Counter-Strike is one of the most played games it has around 2,000,000 people per day including 1.6 CSS CSGO CSZ Half-Life

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag When we fix this we are going to be best players ever lol trust me. Years and years of practicing on bad gameplay and still doing good.. :smile:

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

Yes its so weird but pepole dont belive before they get the recoil bulletlag themself.
Acctually Im not very good at cpunter stike because I played mostly dod but in dod even prof. players couldnt beat me even when Im having recoil lag. The could shot me but never win the map;D When lag was shortly gone in css then I owned all in the server despite Im abit of a noob in css. But I never tryed in csgo where lag has shortly gone yet. But it would be so good to have a fair game wich its not now.
Does any of you know what change in pc when plugging headphones into frontpanel? Is there more ohm or? We need and kabelguy he...

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

And yes we will be the best players if lag accurs in a tournament;DD

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

👍1

Guys sorry, but iam not going to post shit, my game became shity in one
way, i mean its very weird stage right now, its playable but not 100% like
before, the render itself is smooth, no visual lag, but the movement feels
slow again sometimes, sometimes its good sometimes its slow, but recoil is
screwed again. Controlled burst completely out of crosshair no matter how
hard i try, so ok lets try to tap, gets owned by guy which is spraying in
crouch while moving to side. GG. i dont really give a damn about this game
and problem itself anymore, i just really needs to focus in to my personal
life now so thats the reason i didnt now answered in several weeks, iam
sorry.

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agendar on 6 May 2017

Sad to hear Agenda. But Im also so tired of Valve doing absolute nothing to fix it. I just wait for another shoting game come to life. Then Valve and Steam is past for me. Atm. I just play some Overwatch. So when new shoting game is there Steam will be uninstalled. I just go ind and see sometimes if the shit game is fixed and I wait and see if Source2 will change something. Valve wrote in 2015 they are aware of the bullet lag and are working on it. And now is 2017 wich truely shows how incompetent and dont care about there best customers.

Everlastingbulletlag on 6 May 2017

Yea fuck it at least we tried

Kosta4934 on 6 May 2017

Yes we did Kosta I saw this tread. Its not a solve for me because I dont have a server. But could it be server update related? I saw you commentary there Kosta:)

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/1183

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 May 2017

Look at last replys in the link

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 May 2017

someone tried to contact steam support? i'm so fucking angry about this fucking recoil bug -> delayed movement -> cs runs after 2mins slower etc.

ghosting effect (when enemy hit you / shooting at enemy)

:-o lets try spamming @alfred-valve

w4Ld1 on 29 May 2017

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I have triede 3 times and no solve but havent mentioned the server bug cos I first saw the tread today. I have stopped playing any steam games. And wait until csgo come in the source 2 engine. Hope that maby that solve the problem otherwise I uninstall Steam. But try to report to Steam cos when more people complane about the recoil lag then maby the solve gets closer.
Im also very annoed by the lag game is impossible to play and so many people playing just say its about rates setting and so on. But makes good sense if the servers are causing it. Valve should give this bug attetion I suffer from it from so long and I just would love to play the game again with no recoil lag. We could write to alfred and beg him to help us solve it. Just tell me if we shall write to him.

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 May 2017

I tried to ask Alfred i the other tread to help us=) Maby all of you could do the same and maby try steam support also. When the server update is told to solve the lag.

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 May 2017

New appartment, new pc and full fresh new hardware..

Problem coming back slowly. wooooaw im done

nikooz on 4 Jun 2017

This "bug" was special implement in game,
This is making players more "addicted", it's part of psychology, peoples always trying will be number #1, but in this game will do not happen, never., and you try again and again.
After short period after you started game looking very easy, but after couple rounds or maps, game will coming to unplayable state for you. you are still remember how you was good 30 minutes ago, and trying to back in this state. But nothing happen, you do not have and chance because you have additional latency my friend, game is over for you, for today ;), back in tomorrow, and all will be good again for short time.
Please understand, you was be good because another peoples have additional latency :), nothing wrong, it's your turn playing like a bot.

how this working.
if you playing alot, i do not know exactly time, more than 1 hour per day, or have more hours for today than another players who right now on the server, than server added to your ping additional latency and DO NOT LAGCOMPANSATE this time. very simple&effective.

if enemy moving you do not have any chance to win in this situation.

end of story.

it's easy to catch this, need record yours monitor&hands ( not a stupid POV, need record "real" game and compare after game will finish with SERVER demo.
no one do it this in last 17 years ;), base on this valve very happy ;), and gabe thinking he's smart ass #1 on this planet.

victor910 on 5 Jun 2017

👍1

Nikooz Im so sad to hear😣😥

Victor maby your right, but I dont think so cos alot of players dont have the lag, and I have seen the game become normal sometimes. Eg when you plug in headphones into front jacks. Therefore I know its not a part of the game. Its a bug wich Valve dont do anyyhing about cos only some players have it. But steam games are past for me. If they solve bug with the source 2 then I play again else I never buy a new game on steam again.

Valve wake up ffs. Its like Valve is totally noob staff?

Everlastingbulletlag on 5 Jun 2017

well said bro, well said

2017-06-05 9:40 GMT+02:00 victor910 notifications@github.com:

This "bug" was special implement in game,
This is making players more "addicted", it's part of psychology, peoples
always trying will be number #1
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/1, but in this game
will do not happen, never., and you try again and again.
After short period after you started game looking very easy, but after
couple rounds or maps, game will coming to unplayable state for you. you
are still remember how you was good 30 minutes ago, and trying to back in
this state. But nothing happen, you do not have and chance because you have
additional latency my friend, game is over for you, for today ;), back in
tomorrow, and all will be good again for short time.
Please understand, you was be good because another peoples have additional
latency :), nothing wrong, it's your turn playing like a bot.

how this working.
if you playing alot, i do not know exactly time, more than 1 hour per day,
or have more hours for today than another players who right now on the
server, than server added to your ping additional latency and DO NOT
LAGCOMPANSATE this time. very simple&effective.

if enemy moving you do not have any chance to win in this situation.

end of story.

it's easy to catch this, need record yours monitor&hands ( not a stupid
POV, need record "real" game and compare after game will finish with SERVER
demo.
no one do it this in last 17 years ;), base on this valve very happy ;),
and gabe thinking he's smart ass #1
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/1 on this planet.

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agendar on 5 Jun 2017

even after 6 years of having this problem. i still think that motherboard
have something to do with this ....and hell i can tell its not only problem
of newers cpu's and old goldsrc engine, my computer setup during 2006-2011
was pentium 4 , intel d875pbz mobo ( this mobo is using intel nic and had
no onboard audio so i was using old sound blaster card ) and msi 7600gp
card and even with fps drops i had back then due to many smokes + teamspeak
usage , recoil was still easy to control, movement felt still accurate and
i also remember i never had constant 100 fps , even of empty server , the
value i get was 99, idk why i just remember on this anyway , back then in
2011 i dont even remember how , if it was my fault or not the mobo died and
i didnt wanted to spend too much money for new cpu so i just bought some
asrock motherboard which was the latest for that old chipset / cpu, and
after that change the game was over me since today's. It was weird because
since i didnt know that something like this kind of problem exists , i
couldnt figure out why iam suddenly so bad, the game mechanics just wont
work like before. I was so nerdy back then i had a burned cd with my game
records from , pcws, deatmatchs and when i saw my movement in third person
i noticed a huge diference how i was shooting back then and how i was
shooting before. For example , burstin, all you did was , press A-D and
burst three shots, small move to side than again hold A-D and burst and
move to side again, and theese moves between shots was pretty much small
and very fast and precise, because i just shoot three bullets , cross gets
high , move to side cross is steady again , burst again and .After i
noticed this i tryed to repeat this kind of shoot on local server with
hltv on, shoot -> burts go everywhere on map just not in the aiming spot,
move to side , crosshair gets steady again but recoil not, it was just
delayed , something is not synced, like when you just shot and made an
strafe normally your crosshair gets back to steady position and you should
be able to burst another precise shoots , but when you just do that , that
second burst is acting like you are still shooting or still moving. And
that was the moment i realized the problem is not in me , i googled
something like cs 1.6 recoil lag and boom first thread "Cs isn't smooth",
Welcome to the club , pal, game is over.

2017-06-05 21:14 GMT+02:00 agen da martinpavlik21@gmail.com:

well said bro, well said

2017-06-05 9:40 GMT+02:00 victor910 notifications@github.com:

This "bug" was special implement in game,
This is making players more "addicted", it's part of psychology, peoples
always trying will be number #1
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/1, but in this game
will do not happen, never., and you try again and again.
After short period after you started game looking very easy, but after
couple rounds or maps, game will coming to unplayable state for you. you
are still remember how you was good 30 minutes ago, and trying to back in
this state. But nothing happen, you do not have and chance because you have
additional latency my friend, game is over for you, for today ;), back in
tomorrow, and all will be good again for short time.
Please understand, you was be good because another peoples have
additional latency :), nothing wrong, it's your turn playing like a bot.

how this working.
if you playing alot, i do not know exactly time, more than 1 hour per
day, or have more hours for today than another players who right now on the
server, than server added to your ping additional latency and DO NOT
LAGCOMPANSATE this time. very simple&effective.

if enemy moving you do not have any chance to win in this situation.

end of story.

it's easy to catch this, need record yours monitor&hands ( not a stupid
POV, need record "real" game and compare after game will finish with SERVER
demo.
no one do it this in last 17 years ;), base on this valve very happy ;),
and gabe thinking he's smart ass #1
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife/issues/1 on this planet.

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agendar on 5 Jun 2017

Im laughing a lot about those myths and bu*its u are talking about. Even on newer hardware you could play 1.6 lag free. I have post some videos of my gameplay and its still remain unchanged, smooth and fast. So dont talk about pentium 4 and other obsolete chipsets, you could play fine with i5 or w/e with adequate performance. Little guideline -> soundcard (noise), cooling, windows tweaks.

Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA94QK8MiI8&feature=youtu.be
https://youtu.be/TxDL8minlZg

venhyy on 6 Jun 2017

so what . yeah game is working fine for you, not for others, so what's the
point, you have no clue how many possible "fixes" i and others here tried ,
how many time i spend to fix this crap. glad to see that everything is
working fine 4 you.

2017-06-06 0:56 GMT+02:00 venhyy notifications@github.com:

Im laughing a lot about those myths and bu*its u are talking about. Even
on newer hardware you could play 1.6 lag free. I have post some videos of
my gameplay and its still remain unchanged, smooth and fast. So dont talk
about pentium 4 and other obsolete chipsets, you could play fine with i5 or
w/e with adequate performance. Little guideline -> soundcard (noise),
cooling, windows tweaks.

Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA94QK8MiI8&feature=youtu.be
https://youtu.be/TxDL8minlZg

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agendar on 6 Jun 2017

venhyy Could you share your solution?

magictrickss on 7 Jun 2017

I've spent too much time trying to solve this im sorry

Kosta4934 on 7 Jun 2017

I'll just watch what other people think and hope for someone with fix.

Kosta4934 on 7 Jun 2017

venhyy I must say the video look like they are pretty smooth compared to my games. Habe you post the solve before in this tread I cant remember. But I can see thats like more and more players gets the recoil/bullet lag now and I wounder if the lag comes within time. Cos when I first brought the game for long time it just worked perfectly but after some years it came. And its like players who bourgt the game like 2-3-4 years from now is getting the lag to.

Maby its like that and omg so many players who didnt belive me when I told em about recoil lag is now getting the lag themself.

venhyy can you post your fix very precise and I will try it. Cos I must say you makes shots wich are impossible on my pc but I remb from the past that shot like that should be pretty easy to do when games are normal.

Must say that you guys are amasing still trying to solve this. And remb not to get angry on eachoder blame Valve cos they do nothing. How many have told them about this problem and where are they. Sleeping on the Volvo pilow. I wich Gabe saw this tread so some of the employies would get off their office and so new people who care about the games and know how people loves the games and taking action when people report bugs

Everlastingbulletlag on 8 Jun 2017

Julius I was looking backwards in this post to see if venhyy posted a solution. And I saw the guy Thehopediesforlast invitet you to add him on Steam. What did he told you?
Did he fixed the problem or was it just a lieyer?

Everlastingbulletlag on 8 Jun 2017

Nah that dude asked me to send demos so i just ignored him. I dont think he
had clue on whats going on anyways

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julius2k on 8 Jun 2017

Okay Julius, I think the same unless it was some guy from Valve support trying to hide😂 But yes why send demos when there are so many on the youtube and google so. I just wounder what he said it was not because I wanted to "sneak".

Actually Im pretty much looking forward to csgo on the Source 2 engine. Cos I saw a video of what it could mean when csgo comes to source 2 and a guy explaned that movememts and the way nades is flying can feels very differend compared to Source. And maby that tells that they bring to old game back. But if its like that the fault it
100% lying at Valve. Im looking forwards to see if it change anything due to the lag.

Everlastingbulletlag on 8 Jun 2017

When I played 1.6 I expected this problem to be fixed on Source Engine and here we are 15 years later problem still exist so no Source 2 wil not fix this problem cause this problem is not even adressed as "problem" until we report it to Valve and made huge thread on Reddit. :face_with_head_bandage:
People here need to understand that there is just few of us with this problem. If there was more people there would be already an thread on Reddit or rant on Youtube.

Not really few of us but considering how big Counter-Strike community is yes we are sadly 1% that have this problem

You can see people crying about csgo bad registry but they don't have same problem that we have. I don't know how to explain this but take this for example:

They have registry problem once per week or if not lucky once per match or day
We have registry problems every match and day

We should stick to our own demos, videos, proofs. If someone ask you for proof do not give him link to some popular thread on Youtube, GitHub, Reddit give him your demo. We need to understand that our problem is on another level. We don't only have bad registry problems but

Recoil
Lag Spikes
Slow Movement
Crosshair Problem
Bhop problems
Unsmooth gameplay problem

And many many more. I think the only possible fix for this is to change your home or apartment. Do not bring your old extension cord in your new home. Buy fresh new PC and make sure that your components are already tested and working.

Kosta4934 on 8 Jun 2017

Is there any possibility that extension cord have some kind of electricity problems that kills your components and cause this problem? Cause every time I turn off my lights in home my computer stop working for 2 seconds It obviously shouldn't happen. Is it possible that bad extension cord could killed my components over years?

If you have any "Ideas" why is this problem still here please share it even if its crazy conspirancy theory lol xD

Btw I should get my new laptop and move to new apartment for about 2 months or less (I'll let you guys know) laptop because sadly I'm used to work on it in Photoshop & also its better for Photoshop than computer and I need it cause im always moving somewhere..

Kosta4934 on 8 Jun 2017

I dont have any exact guide how to fix this "problem". I did so much tweaks over last ~4 years.

My tips:

External soundcard (I have got Creative Audigy) (OPTIONAL)
Well cooled CPU and cleaned components (MUST GO)
Hard Windows performance tweaks
Router with packet scheduler (QoS, im using HTB on DDWRT)

I will be putting together my tweaks to one-click tweak app which boost gaming performance dunno if it would be free or need donate. Anyway I would post link if u would be interested.

CYA~

venhyy on 8 Jun 2017

Thanks for help but I'd like to have my performance 101% not some tweaks that still wouldn't fix problems. I don't need to spend my whole life tweaking my pc when some people just buy pc and start playing csgo without problems. I want to find core of this problem

Kosta4934 on 11 Jun 2017

Then do same. Buy PC and start playing CS:GO without problems, easy as that. Wish u luck tho.

venhyy on 11 Jun 2017

what support says? I found some entrys in userdata missing lines etc! My friend who had never this problem, have other Cloud Settings and Lines with "ID 10 = Half-Life"

pls check your localconfig.vdf and sharedconfig.vdf

for missing lines "apps" ID 10 etc

you need a mate still fixed cs 1.6 to share it

w4Ld1 on 14 Jun 2017

I haven't commented here in a while, but i'm a ryzen user now since 20 days or more, and yeah the problem persist.........

The thing is I have been doing more research than you guy ever would imagine..... also i ended up with a conclusion,

How the hell you guys install Windows? do you guy use Pendrive method or CD method?

In my case i use always the method of rufus default everything which that mean the MBR Partition Scheme+NTFS !

Now i read that people say for pc updated like 2013+ we should we using in case of Pendrive, Rufus software with the GPDT+ Fat32 and format the pendrive with the new windows 10 iso, also all the Drives

SSD., Backup HDD drives, media hdd drive etc........... so try to use rufus in this way, select the iso to boot in your pendrive, then select scheme GPD and Fat32, and test Windows, to see if there are any improve.

CloudHaze on 14 Jun 2017

windows, ntfs BLA BLA BLA.
ROFL, why this "problem" present on Linux OS? do not try me answer, it's rhetorical question.

victor910 on 15 Jun 2017

You need to own both Half Life and CS 1.6, lots of fixes in these beta versions but both are required for it to work. This finally fixed my mouse issues.

Uninstall CS and Half Life, delete related folder content (C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Half-Life)
Right Click Half Life go to Properties Opt into Beta
Install Half Life
Right Click CS 1.6 go to Properties Opt into Beta
Install CS 1.6

djdallmann on 15 Jun 2017

djdallmann

Thk for replying😊 But when I dont have a server does this fix works gor me?
If the server on is not updated and I can use the fix you posted will the bullet skip still be solved?

Everlastingbulletlag on 15 Jun 2017

This only fixes mouse and movement for me, bullet spray skipping is only fixed by beta hlds server.

djdallmann on 16 Jun 2017

I just tryed the fix djdallmann bit with no luck. But very kindly of you trying to help.

Everlastingbulletlag on 16 Jun 2017

w4Ld1 in the past when I talked to steamsupport the also mentioned som missing entrys. But not the one you mentioned. It feels like the hole game is hacked or something. I really dont know what to do anymore.

Did any one of you try the rfi or what its called. To awoid dirty electricity?

venhy thank for you share but for me its to difficult😭

Kosta buying a new pc wont work.
But I understand your fustration.

Everlastingbulletlag on 16 Jun 2017

Venhyy I read your solve again can it be your roter with is good? Cos I have the other thing despite external soundcard.
I would buy one but some say it dont works but I think about putting the jack into front mike did work for som time.

Everlastingbulletlag on 16 Jun 2017

Bros today i can tell that, I have been more than 2 years looking for answer like you buddies, and yep, I ended up by creating many, many threads, in Guru3d, Github, TomsHardware, AMD, INTEL, Asrock, etc etc, and days ago i decide to created a important post about my

VIsual lag, input lag, this thing that is not only in STEAM GAMES, in general all the system BIOS, and windows, etc etc

HERE IS THE POST, some commentaries maybe would be not ready to be read because of Admin moderation pending to approve, but hope you can read that
The thing is i have tried everything, and I ended up with a conclusion of that GPU sometimes can be the problem, no matter what you do, even new firmwares voltages, etc etc, windows clean update, voltages, etc etc SSD, properly sata cables and among other things, when theres a GPU with the input lag, the only thing we can do is swap to another GPU to test
so hope you can read this.
https://community.amd.com/thread/217179

CloudHaze on 18 Jun 2017

I apologies for my poor english, im your friend, not your enemy (im saying this because sometimes people is very rude to me) >/
I have tried things like:

1- Disconnected my internet before format and do the fresh install of windows to avoid any generic drivers that is installed by the windows update itself
2- By updating properly windows Through Windows update Catalog (last cumulative, critical updates, dinamics etc)
3- By updating my drivers through Intel or AMD web-site, always chipset drivers first, then the graphic ones, by modifying registry to set the IRQ in MSI instead of line basement Q
4- By Tweaking Bios properly to have an optimized gaming experience, like overclocking, efi/rfi
5- Things like ensure about to connect properly the SSD and HDD in Southbridge SAta ports to grab all performance
6- By ensuring that the Pendrive is properly formated my Winwdows ISO, GPDIT, and fat32, only with new system, also ensuring that bios CSM compatibility is very well configured legacy or uefi in case of pc components
7/ By ensuring that my GPU,CPU is compatible with latest Windows, if you have 2007 video card with directx 10 or 11, stay in Windows 7/8 same with cpu

Also it is important to test compatibility system like memory ram QVL with your motherboard, same SSD or M2 storage, it is important to test separatedly the rams, rams by ram, to check for stability, also crystal disk on both SSD and HDD,.

Anyway many many things, like puff you probably wont imagine
Ive tested, SSD healthy, HDD, I have put and take apart extra PCI or things to test dpc latency and yeah, my veredict is that maybe the GPU is the culprit of most system, in my case, in your case, it can be either the power supply ,or the things that i mentioned up, so good luck by testing properly :)

CloudHaze on 18 Jun 2017

after ~120mins gaming session (i play really much 5on5 intern with mates) my net_graph 1 -> red dots! Reason? I think cs not runs synchron with packets of my ISP or missing Lines in Clouding Settings wrong communication with Clouding Servers.

sorry for my fuckin bad english skills :(

w4Ld1 on 18 Jun 2017

CloudHaze Im so happy you do so much for all of us to try solving this. You have done alot and people are rude not with you but its the fustration not being able to solve this insane recoillag. I can tell you that I only have m2 disk in my com. So sata is not worse to investigate. The problem is maby gpu, mb, psu, dirty electricity, windows or steamfiles related.

Im so happy you dont give up solving this cos you are very much into pc.

We need to look in the way of what we know and the greates "solve" yet is the one where you plug speaker into front mike so I think the solve is something with this. I dont know what can make the hole computer lags but with that solve everything was totally smooth for a while.

Everlastingbulletlag on 18 Jun 2017

👍1

w4Ld1

I also think the netgraph looks strange but try to putt cmd to 105 insted of 100 the the dott's goes away. Also make sure the ex_interp is set to 0.

Else I dont think it will work.

Within the cloudsetting always set it off when you try to solve the recoillag cos its messing up with all those share, cloud setting.

Everlastingbulletlag on 18 Jun 2017

Ps. In csgo I dont know if the cmd 105 will work but it the shold be 132 cos its 128 tick I havent try it I just made it 128 in both cmd_rate and cl_updaterate but you can try it😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 18 Jun 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag Thank you for that words bro, but yeah i'm working straight forward with AMD,ASROCK, also my psu, and seems like the problem seems to be my GPU gtx 580 and the 9600 gt, so im going to get a 1060 GTX and try, because i have lag even in BIOS

This PC world is difficult even if we seat a bad cable or connect a bad cable like a 6+2 gpu or 6, or 8, can messs alot of things, and this problem is not only about Counter-strike is in General, games crysis 2, dota 2, metro 2033 seems like i have high fps but, the mouse input lag and visual lag, i feel like a totally noob without any reflex, but ill be updating this when I found the culprit . cheers

CloudHaze on 21 Jun 2017

Your welcome CloudHaze😊
But I got nvidia gtx 1070 gaming 8gb
and I got the lag with this card.
When the lag came I had Ati cant rember the name but very old.

Also I had 1 more Radeon gtx card also with the lag. And 3 different psu's

But yes the lag is present all the time both in bios, windows, all steam games but I belive the lag also accurs in other games to, but I dont know how those games should be like with no lag so I cant say for shure.

But maby Valve dont have the fault at all and then I have to appolize so much. But I though it was them cause it was there I could see the lag in the start but now how system is delayed mouse, keyboard, windows, internet and thats is said despite I have 1ms respons both in mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Everthing is cabled nothing wireless and no mallware, virus and everything to to low in game and deable contana, xbox and I got 144hz monitor and 16gb ram and so on.

I hope this can help you. But how can the lag be in 4 differend pc's and the only thing is same isp provider. But I heard other trying differend isp and still have lag also offline lag with bots.

So microsoft (I got the lag with xp, windows 7, and 10), isp or steam lagging hole pc. Its the only thing I got in all pc's.

Everlastingbulletlag on 21 Jun 2017

Kosta

You know why I wait for source2?😄

Its because its like opensouce. Therefor if its something with game some pc nerds maby find the problem😉
But we will see.

Everlastingbulletlag on 22 Jun 2017

The thing is this is happens to me not only in cs 1.6 overall games, and even in desktop :c

CloudHaze on 25 Jun 2017

Yes bro exactly the same thing to me. I wounder where the inputlag comes from. The only thing I got on all my differend pc's is steam, onboard soundchip, and isp.

I think also the lag accurs with linux can anyone confirm this? Cause then we can for shure says its not windows.

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Jun 2017

Ever i invite you to read this forums
So far everyone tried everything, like renting a new house, buy new pc things and yeah the conclusion ended with the electricity issues, as i think in the first place :/
forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/1/

CloudHaze on 25 Jun 2017

CloudHaze did they find a solotion in gforce forum? But it makes good sense imo if it has something with electricity cos when I plugg the speekers into front mike problem was solved imidily, I think by doing that it makes ohm and then after a while the dirtyelectricity comes back. Have any of you tried to play with grounded pc?

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Jun 2017

Nope because here in Venezuela outlets are not grounded, so is difficult, and that pc thing is just a temporal fix, by connecting in front the headphones

I had to remove the front panel usb 2.0, because static was so annoying, now i can enjoy better the music and video games, by connecting my headphones or plugging in the green jack, also the front panel has a loudness sound than the rear panels

But that's doesn't changes anything visual lag still bad, and mouse input lag etc
I'm trying to see how can I contact an electrician, to see what we we can do here in home

bus a i see the things i'm going to need a grounded outlets in home and a possible ONLINE UPS, like described in that geforce forums, did you see the whole post? there are members like (Xell) xell is a guy from CS ISNT SMOOTH post in steam forums which now doesn't exist anymore

Xell use to describe hes problems, their rcoil, missing bullets, etc, now hes back to try everythign, but as i said, to me they find the culprit and gotta agree is the electricity because here at 2-3 am , pc become more responsiveness like 15-20%.... so hope i can find an electrician.

CloudHaze on 25 Jun 2017

I am an electrician, and i believe electricity isn't the problem.
Same for me @CloudHaze , in the late evening around 21-22 it becomes a little more responsive. so wierd.

Can this maybe be a virus or something?

nikooz on 25 Jun 2017

CloudHaze I didnt read the hole post but I will now. I dont have grounded pc and never have it on my new pcs maby the very old 1 but I cant remember.
But if Nikooz is an electrican and dont think its that so maby we search the wrong place. But I must admit that I also get more responsivness in evening also late night at 01-02.

I also wounder if it could be a virus in some way. Cos we have tryed everything. But is it a virus in steam then? Cos it strange that virus program dont see it then. But how can we solve it so many times and then it comes back.

Nikooz have you new modem? My is abit old now. But do no one have grounded pc with this lag? If so then we can eleminate that.

Everlastingbulletlag on 25 Jun 2017

@nikooz Welll i'm not sure , but did you check the forums that i gave here? it seems that electricity is the problem of all of us, have you ever tried to buy an UPS online? like They mentioned in that forum? have you ever grounded all your house outlets? like adjusting frequency to 60 hz etc etc, to me is the electricity, because when i move from my last house, everything gets worse, even my (eyes, views) dunno how to explain in English, in less than a year , my eyes has become worse, by playing in this pc and at this new house.. the electricity here is a problem, and yeah im pretty sure that is the electricity

And no this is not a Virus related, this is not a Windows Thing, this is not a bios thing
I have like 6 years too testing things, and is not a windows thing, have do many fresh install, with USB using rufus many scheme partitions, with CD windows install, by installing drivers out of windows, by modifying ISOS, bios voltages, by replacing pc components, and i ended up with that conclusion of electricity

So i Invite you Nikooz to tested everything like most of us has been doing in the past
cheers.

CloudHaze on 25 Jun 2017

@Everlastingbulletlag Well he says hes and electrician and i respect him, but i'm not sharing his opinions, because in that forum there is too a man that is electrician and hes spokes about Electricity things in hes house too, so hes going to test alot of things, thats why im telling you go read the whole post, you will find interesting things, same nikooz.

CloudHaze on 25 Jun 2017

Cloudhaze omg Im tired og reading;-D But hole cow it took long time but very exciting tread though. Its the same problem thats for sure. And yes it sound real to me. Thet tested everything even alot more than me. I think that its electricity and it makes good sense because it was a problem even 1 electricer couldnt solve cos measuering 1 outlet didnt gave a clue. But the story about the "King" og electricity was astunding. Online ups wont solve it but it will maby make the game playable. But remember the place it in grounded outlet and both the pc and the monitor.

Nikooz you think you can try this😊? I dont have online ups. But maby you have one from work?

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

Actually when we plugged the speakers into front mike we made the electricity grounded somehow or changed. Would that make sense?

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

Tommorow Im going to make a post in the tread so they can see more having this insane lag..

Well further I have to appoligize to Valve for accusing them for being resosible for this lag if they are not. Im a shame but that being said they could maby have helped us more??

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

But still I have one single question and thats how can electricity makes windows much more responsible desktop much faster and also game fast intalling in for the first time? It dosent makes sense? But what makes sense maby it that electricity is changed when people go to bed and therefor the problem is less at night. Can there be some relations there?

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

Nope it doesn't change anything, if you connect to the front panel, the only thing that will cause static are the USB PORT connected near the green audio jack, and nothing else, so thats why i disconnected the front panel usb 2.0 and static goes off, the thing is the power supply becomes corrupt with dirty electricity because is connected to a outlet that is not grounded and has unbalance frequencies, which need to be grounded and adapt also a good UPS or power conditioner to balance the frequency in hertz to 60 at least, to have a good gaming experience, etc

Also you can get damage easily your Eyes and overall health by exposing to the dirty electricity. you can read that in Google,

Now about your question, is not only about Windows, is all about the Electro-domestic components, even LAMPS, they all grab that dirty power comming from the outlet, you gotta read more about

EMI/RFI dirty electricity affecting electrical components, and people health, my english is not that good to explain ^^

CloudHaze on 26 Jun 2017

CloudHaze I must say that it sound much like the problem. They also tells something about the sound changed after installing online dubble convers ups. And the funny thing is in dod. 1.3 I totally sure that when the problem came footstep noise from enemies was lower than normal. Suddenly I couldnt hear enemy comming. So I think this has something to do with it.
I read more about EMI/RFI and omg its a big problem and further I feel that I have some of the sympthoms I have try to find out what happend to my body and maby its related to dirtyelectricity. Im not sure its that but abit funny though.

I was at the internet looking for filter but no danish firms sell it. Furhter I dont have gounded outlets but in my kitchen I have at least I think so because it looks like it and the law in Denmark tells to have it. Are some of you able to test it somehow? But remember the guy in the other tread tells thats not a full fix but we could get a clue if it had something to do with it😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

Guys please, it has nothing to do with your power supply or sockets in the walls.

I've lived 4 different places and it's the same, grounded or not grounded.
I think atleast 80% of the world don't even use the speciel end-gab to get the ground pin active.
So put that to rest pls 👍

@CloudHaze i've read every single thread out there for many years.
edit: I've read the geforce forums, and if this UPS thing is for real, im impressed. Are u gonna try it out??

nikooz on 26 Jun 2017

@nikooz But how can you state that, the outlet grounded or not grounded is not the problem, like assuming that in fact the electricity is no the problem? when people have already bough a new whole pc from the scratch, case, mouse, keyboard, cables etc, and the problem persist, and they say that, they were testing their pc in differents rooms and houses, and they notice that the imput lag were better, so they ended up with the conclusion of electricity, even that guy that hired a en electricity friend, the friend tell him, woah dude, this insane your problem, and yes that guy has already grounded their outlets but not perfect, so thats the reason he bought that Double Conversion AC to DC UPS ONLINE, and now hes so happy but yeah he will be testing things first, then he will eventually make a youtube video

Also a fact is that, electricity can be a mess in different countries, cities, etc because every place is different, also i can't buy a UPS yet, because im from Venezuela and that thing is way so expensive like 500$ buck, and in Venezuela salary is like 20-25$ american dollars and one pound ham cost around 7-8$ so i cannot :/

I'm so frustrating you dont imagine, I've tried everything dude, and the last thing that i can tell to can work is the electricity, like i need to find a proper way to ground all outlets, then find an UPS or something that balancing the frequency to at least 60 hz, this house has electricity things, my old house use to be more responsiveness when come to play games, my eyes were not so hurt by visual lag :/

Sorry for my poor English, but Nikooz try to buy an UPS if you can afford it do it, if i can i will do for real, I have tested everything router, internet, measuring, calling for services internet, and yeah electricity seems to be the problem

Have good day.

CloudHaze on 26 Jun 2017

@CloudHaze I know your frustration, we all feel the same way. But i won't believe that some of us need a UPS to play proberly.
I'm done shootin money into this issue. But i hope it will work out anyway

nikooz on 26 Jun 2017

Let me told you some things i noticed during of 6 years having this problem.

1.Old Computer -> Everything working as should be, the setup was following:
Intel D875PBZ, Pentium 4 2.8 ghz, 2 GB ram, agp msi 7600GT.

Later on i changed motherboard because i somehow screwed this intel
motherboard by bad attempt to flash bios, i dont really remember why i
wanted to do that, but... i screwed up.
It was in 2011 when this problem started for me. Because i didnt want'd to
spend too much money for such a old game (i was always heavy player of
valve games like tfc, half-life, and obviously cs) i assmued that i dont
need whole new cpu. I just ned a motherboard, for that old 478 cpu socket
and i also ned a new gpu cause 478 socket was very old even in 2011 and
everything i could get was like two types of some asrock mobos which was
like latest mobos for old 478 socket , still for sale , i cant really
remember which model it was but i had to buy also newer ddr2 rams and pcie
gigabyte gt440, pretty much crap but i was sure it must be enought for
goldsrc. Few months later after i discovered what's goin on, the first
suspect was GPU, so i switched for test my dad's 8800GTS and obviously the
gpu was not the problem, cpu was not problem and there was no reason to
suspect rams. By the way i realized today while i was reading your posts
from gmail (ye, even i dont respond so often i still read this thread), i
realized that i forgot to tell you that i've tested cs on my dad's
"abadonned" pc which was something like very old pc from like 2002-2003 ,
i remember the cpu was amd sempron, somekind of old msi atx motherboard,
with nvidia 5200. By the way that motherboard has onboard audio but i dont
really be sure what was the manufacter , maybe something like c-media ac97
or sth like that. And guess what, game was very very shitty and laggy even
if 70 fps+ (it couldnt handle stable 100fps). So i all want to say now is
that not only newer hardware is affected, as i said that hardware was from
golden era (2002-2003) or 1.5 and early 1.6 and still had that problem, so
i can confirm that this problem can be still present also in older
hardware.The fact is , that this problem appears in both brands,no matter
if AMD or INTEL, old single core's or newer multicore's, AGP or PCIE,
DDR400-2-3. And all theese cases have one thing common -> onboard audio. I
was just thinking about one thing i noticed, even if you disable your
onboard audio in bios and you will make a clean windows install, the High
Definition Audio Device will still pop-up and install itself, and if you go
to device manager , there are two devices considered as High Definition
Audio Controller, first one is in "Sound, video and game controlles" tab,
if you uninstall it without disabling "High Definition Audio Controller"
(lets just call it HDC) in "System Devices" tab , it well keep install
itself everytime you reboot pc.
If you uninstall hdc in "System Devices" the device will also install
itself after you reboot pc. But if you keep hdc located in "System Devices"
disabled and you uninstall hdc from "Sound, video and game controllers" ,
it will not install itself anymore. And this is why iam being courious
about that, why it keeps installing when you disabled it in bios, in
logical point of view, onboard audio is regular pci device, how the hell
windows still detects it even when i disabled it. And it install itself
just few seconds after first boot.
Sorry for huge post and sorry if i told you something you already know
guys , i just wanted to share this with you, and as i always mention sorry
for terrible eng grammar, but i hope you all understand me.

agendar on 26 Jun 2017

But after all one thing is still mystery, if we work with the version it
has something to do with onboard audio, why the game is noticable smoother
during night time.
I also dont think its problem related to steam, as i said , my problem
started in 2011, first thread about this was created in 2009 and if you
guys read full post which is above i mentioned that i tested this on very
old pc from 2002-2003 (with nonsteam version , i forgot to mention) and
this shit was still present. With Exclusion method , its related to
motherboard chipset or onboard audio .

agendar on 26 Jun 2017

Agenda I can confirm that you are right about old pc's
My very old pc did also have this lag but not from the start. It worked very well and funny you mention ac97 cos I cant remember very much about the pc, but one thing for sure is that I clearly remember that it had ac97. I was in the start playing in the livingroom no problem with lag. I moved the pc into another room and then the lag came not at ones but slowly. I cant rember if I updated some drivers or so but I didnt changed any hardware before this lag cam. As I remeber the gfx was Ati card but Im not totally shure but think so. I can tell you that I did hoped that dods would solve this issue but funny enough it didnt. I played dods for a while and the movements felted very differend from dod 1.3 and I tourgh that is was just the game was totally differend to dod 1.3 until 1 day I played a lag was gone for a short periode of time and there I was aware of there was something totally wrong and the game shold feel exactly like dod 1.3 whit no lag. To confirm it I tryed the same in csgo but only 2 times in the years I played it. But strange cos on my old pc's sometimes game was much rapidly than with my new build. Now the lag is just there all the time and dont seem to get better sometimes at all. In the night the game is a very littlebit smoother but not as my old pc's even tough they lags most of the times.

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

One thing more I remember that old pc's was delivered with both gounded cable and ungrounded cable my new build didnt even have a gounded cable but I can remeber if I used it in the start or not bum😣

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

I'll stick that the problem is the electricity and its pretty much obvious if my pc get at least 20-25% more responsiveness at 2 am, it is because most people turn off their electricity components, maybe the electricity industry in that zone have a button that turn off the power consumption and it ended up by cleaning a little be the dirty electricity, because it is not longer need to push more electricity at that time of mid-night because everyone is sleeping or something

I don't know, but to me is not the audio, cause, as i state ,i have disable all things in pc, also in BIOS i can tell the sluggish/choppyness

Also as i state before too, my phone gets more responsiveness, so this is maybe because of the (RFI) Radio frequency interference, that comes from Outside in the street from those BIG Anthems etc that provide us the line in our phones, and Direct Tv, and i dont know

But yeah i respect all opinions, but to me is something either RFI or EMI u.u

CloudHaze on 26 Jun 2017

Another Fact is the ETHERNET CABLE, which is not grounded when you plug that directly in the Motherboard Ethernet Port you can tell some spike in latencies, i dont remember where i saw, a guy in a forum like audiophile, he went like kinda crazy, by culprit his plasma LED that was causing DPC latency in his room, only by being connected, not even turn on, just connected to one of the outlets

Also he mention that, he remove the Ethernet cable direct to hes motherboard, i dont remember what he really did to get a clean internet line, i really don't

So maybe 2 facts: are

1- The way we are connected to internet (This when comes to game because even with this disconnected i get lag in bios and windows, but games result more smooth, but not fix my problem)
2- the electricity emi/rfi etc.

CloudHaze on 26 Jun 2017

CouldHaze my phone also get fast respons when pc is faster responding. The lag is very very rare back to normal but when the lag got less my cell phone also become fast. My phone is on 4g but my pc is wired internet.

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

Also EverLasting you can try by configuring Ethernet adapter in windows by desabling extra features and leaving only connected the TCP IPV 4/6 and also by configuring the ipv4 settings inside, but i dont think that will help much, at least it does a little be in smooth gaming for play online, but problem persist

Anyway we really need an explanation/help from an Engineer that love to play pc as hardcore gamer, like competitive, like a big engineer in electronic, electricity, pc master race, OIL? maybe lol

This is driven me crazy, also by not having money, also by living in a third country like Venezuela :'( also by not speaking properly English xD! SOS :P

CloudHaze on 26 Jun 2017

Yes bro I remember long time ago I deleted everything in netsetting except v4 and v6 it did nothing.

But yes we need an geni in pc >is there a guru out there to help us aaallo? Here me please giniguru😂😂

But lag is both in Vensuela and in europian counties so it doesnt make any difference but I just wich that somekind of pc god would shine upon us so we can play the god'dam game we live so much😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

I really need to fix not only the cs 1.6 the system overall, in desktop, browsing, gaming, etc i want to be happy and totally competitive gamer :/ :(

CloudHaze on 26 Jun 2017

Yes me to but its so hard to solve. I had never in my wildest dreams tourght that this was the thing that made me quite gaming. I so sad that this should be the reason but if it ever solved I think alot of people would think what the hell. Cos alot of players would get a chock og how diffult its to kill players they just shot so easy now😭

Everlastingbulletlag on 26 Jun 2017

This is how my game looks, i know it is very short video, because internet here is way to slow! upload is like 60kb x.x

I recorded this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3atFSq90I&feature=youtu.be

CloudHaze on 27 Jun 2017

Actually it looks more responsive than my game. I recorded last week where the lag was less than normal. I show it on youtube soon. I recorded in 60fps and a
nother in 144fps and if you know the game you can see Im a very skilled player but lag both ingame mice ketboard and recoil lag makes very hard to play. I will post 2 videos soon😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jun 2017

By the way EverLasting can you dowload the last version of Aida64 extreme, and go to the computer category then select the Power Management: And check for Current Power Source, to see if is AC or DC

Mine is AC-Line

CloudHaze on 27 Jun 2017

I didn't even know about this.... get GPU-Z and try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXDcKiLSdg

In order to fix Global setting to work correctly you will need to make a application profile for each of the following programs in the Manage 3D Setting portion of Nvidia Control Panel (Some processes may only exist for Windows 8.1 and Windows 10):

C:\Windows\system32\dwm.exe
C:\Windows\explorer.exe
Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, Chrome, Steam etc.
Microsoft Cortana
Microsoft Shell Experience Host

Quoted from https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/817540/geforce-drivers/what-does-prefer-maximum-performance-actually-do-/post/4791706/#4791706

djdallmann on 28 Jun 2017

Thats old trick to avoid that GPU goes to mode perm1, perf 2, perf 3

Like dowclocking automatically to Perf1= web-browsing, desktop
Perf2= 2D applications, games
3d= for fully Games or 3d applications

But thats won't help because you can use either nvidia control and set to full performance or NVIDIA INSPECTOR, set explorer.exe to full performance and it will work as not saving any power and keep full 3D all the time, but thats not a solution sadly :/

but still good Djdallman+1

CloudHaze on 29 Jun 2017

This problem only with games from valve?

victor910 on 29 Jun 2017

Actually it happens to me at Desktop, and games
:/

CloudHaze on 29 Jun 2017

What a problem with yours desktop?
Record a video please.

victor910 on 29 Jun 2017

@victor910 It's not only in games, but also when you browse on the web and running other programs.
A good example, is to try to aim and click on the same spot on the desktop... and see how hard that is to be consistent.

Opening programs or other stuff, just takes this 1 more sec too long, than it should.

In this link, i TRY to do a "quick'flick'click" just to show you the problem, even in windows.
it SHOULD open, but it's like my pc won't register the click and go to the site, only IF i do it more slowly.

Windows:: (https://youtu.be/MgVpX0twPKg)

GAMEPLAY:: (https://youtu.be/A166ZFGOtUk)

nikooz on 29 Jun 2017

CloudHaze I dont what to download more program cos it down help😭 We need the fix insted

djdallmann I use globalssettings for every program and settings in global is to use maxium preformace and no adaptive

Victor I can record but with m2 its very hard to see. Unless you know how fast it relly should be. But try to install a program and afterwood dubble click this pc or go into programs86 folder and see how fast it opens try open it before installing you can see a big differens you can also try to choose another channel for your modem and open this pc folder or something else. It alot faster. It really shows that something is slowing hole pc down.

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 Jun 2017

Nikooz very good example both in desktop and in game but many just think the game is like that I can clearly see that many shots dot registrate also weapon switch is slowed down.

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 Jun 2017

When you press down key in csgo then it normaly goes exstreem fast but with the lag it takes like 1 sec from pressing the botton to player sit down also sideway and aim take longer times than normal to go staeady.

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 Jun 2017

Nikooz, try to record your gameplays using a (CAPTURE USB CARD) or if you dont have that, try to use your phone like i i did, by using recorder software in pc, it seems to not take the (choppy or unsmooth at all)

When i tried Fraps, the game looks amazing, but then by recording with my iphone, i can tell the choppyness/ sluggish, unsmooth, like i'm facing 24/7 without recording

Sadly the capture-card usb cost like 100-150$x.x

CloudHaze on 29 Jun 2017

Im just on my way to upload some game plays. The first one is a long video where I play with less lag than I used to have. But I agree with CouldHazz than using software dont show it so easy but you should really watch the hole video on Youtube when its finish oploading. It will show you that Im not a bad player and the next video I will upload will show alot more lag and missing reg another day I played. Just so you can see how the lag affect the game. Its Dod 1.3 but the same lag is in all Steam games and further today that I installed Bandicam for recording my demos the desktop was faster than normal so I recorded it so you can see the desktop lag I record one opcomming days where its abit slower I hope you can see it so you all know what this lag is. I know alot of you knoes it all to well but mabe we can shoe the videos to a it guru so we maby can solve this everlasting lag. I do the video upload as fast as possible but within a week promise.

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 Jun 2017

I dont know why but when I play sniper the aim is gone but last in the video I play riflemann and the aim is there. But maby you can put aim on yourself but the other video Im rilflemann all the time so aim is there😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 29 Jun 2017

Here are the latest Drivers for REALTEK to avoid some SPIKES in NDYS Ethernet
I let run my latency moon over 1 hour, and it spikes to like 3900 so i have updated, so i have always struggle to find the latest realtek ethernet drivers because they are kinda hard to find, so there is:
http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false

PS: Remember this is not a fix, just to have all drivers more updated without high DPC or ISRRC etc

CloudHaze on 30 Jun 2017

Cloudhazz kind of you. I can go to msi and find the lates realtek driver and dowload from there website maby you can do the same just with your motherboard vendor😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 30 Jun 2017

here is the first video where the lag is less but maby you can see it? Its preety long but I hope you can see that this is not because of bad aiming. I got both mouse, keyboard and recoil lag but it was abit better than it used to. I know the aim aint there only at last in the video where I change wepon I dont know why its not ther?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE9BXCViEaY

Everlastingbulletlag on 30 Jun 2017

I know @Everlastingbulletlag , but thats why i had to go to Official Realtek, because Asrock manufacturer the driver version was 25 january 2017, and in Realtek web was like may 26 2017

Bro is hard to tell your problem in that video, hope you can grab your phone and try move with the arrow-keys and using one hand, then grabing the mouse with one hand and spraying with some guys, moving up and down the camera with mouse, like for 2minutes to see your problem, because it is hard to tell, even that i can see that there like a bug or something when you move your mouse, like stuttering, but thats what im seeing. so try to record with a phone nextime.

I'll keep watching the video, thats game is good. :3

CloudHaze on 30 Jun 2017

Thank you CloudHaze you should see me play with no lag then;D and look at this and chose driver in the middel section select windows 10, 64 and go to onboard audiodrivers and see the date. The latest driver its from 14th june 2017

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z270-GAMING-PRO.html#down-driver

I will try to record and upload more videos soon but Im abit busy in the moment. I will also try to record with the phone so you can see delay in keys and mouse.

Everlastingbulletlag on 30 Jun 2017

See at least your Gaming Board has the latest drivers out there, but my asrock ab350 fatality k4 has drivers from 25 january 2017 :(

By the way, guys give me some tips to record my desktop Screen using my Iphone 4s, i tried to put near my nex with a clothes to keep it steady, but it is hard to record games with iphone or phones,

Sadly i dont have a Capture card :c

CloudHaze on 30 Jun 2017

Yes bro but maby you can go ti msi and look for drives and download it from there? I can also tell you inhere when a new realtek driver is available when I see it on msi?

I triede to record with phone and its very difficult but maby a freind of you can record while you play? But with keyboard I have seen a software where buttons are show at the screen while gaming but I dont know the name of the software..
Mouse I think the only solution is with phone.

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 Jul 2017

CloudHaze I just got and idear. How about placing webcam over you keyboard and mouse and show the piture from it in the corner where you record gameplay then you can see it all at the same time😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 Jul 2017

Or if some of you have gopro camera?wich can be placed at your body😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 1 Jul 2017

Yeah the web-cam can works, more customizable, but then we need to grab a program to make respective zooms and editing, which is okay

the thing with MSI or ASROCK or Gigabyte is that, their drivers are especial designed for that motherboards, come with and Realtek especial interface and options that my motherboard doesnt have.

but will seee with the camera

CloudHaze on 1 Jul 2017

This is kinda interesting by investing in a good wired ethernet cable with shield protection to avoid any spikes on data transfer :)

Once again maybe this can help a little be with spikes, but im not so sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha3zVvwzMvY

CloudHaze on 1 Jul 2017

If anyone here got OC based mobo and is open for experiments, lets try playing around with LLC setting and power phases. The thing is that those motherboards usually come with very precise VRM stage for supplying all components of your PC, e.g. VCore, memory voltage, +5V, +12 rails, etc... Better motherboard with well designed VRM stage could deliver more precise voltage to CPU and other peripherals. ASUS got options to set LLC levels, but only on high-end mobos.

venhyy on 2 Jul 2017

Sadly i dont have LLC settings.... or power phases hehe
And my mobo is pushing 12 rails 3.3 and 5 perfectly without any downgrade

Maybe our problem is electricity or either the PSU<-- i read that even when pushing good the 12, 3.3 and 5v it can be defective etc

CloudHaze on 2 Jul 2017

I have Asus ROG hero IX motherboard and I tried messing around with power phase/LLC settings and it makes no difference. Also recently bought a Panamax MR4000 power conditioner and it made a difference but did not fix the issue.

Kream1g on 2 Jul 2017

Oh nice @Kream1g did you bought a Panamax MR4000 cool, but please Kream1g look at this POST in NVIDIA FOROUMS look what this guy says:

First Comment:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/post/5160232/#5160232

Second Comment:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/post/5160665/#5160665

Third Comment (this is sora a moderator in Nvidia) he will cover the info of the first and second:
SORA:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/post/5173884/#5173884

Sora:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/post/5173885/#5173885

Thats related to UPS like Panamax etc.

CloudHaze on 2 Jul 2017

@CloudHaze Yes I read that forum and that was the whole reason I got the power conditioner, Before the power conditioner I had a UPS (cyber power 1325va sine wave) because the wiring in my house is really old and I have ALOT of "brown outs". The UPS made no difference in gameplay. but with the power conditioner the mouse feels more accurate and the game play did get a little better but the issue is still very much there. Also the UPS and Power conditioner connected to grounded outlets.

Kream1g on 2 Jul 2017

@Kream1g But does that UPS is an online one? with has double conversion?
The thing is im living in an apartament floor 2, and i dont know.. but wish i can test an Online UPS, but my outlets are not grounded

But did you get a better accuracy mouse? and what about the visual lag? in desktop, games? that feeling of having 100fps but actually are like less? even in desktop etc?

So i thought the UPS was like a power conditioner o.o?

CloudHaze on 2 Jul 2017

Yes the UPS is an online UPS im not sure if it has double conversion. Yes i did get a better accuracy mouse and the visual lag is still there. Its a little less but its still there. Recoil is still messed up along with choppy gameplay. And the UPS does has some EMI/RFI noise filtering but not sure how good it actually is so i decided to get a power conditioner thats actually made for filtering noise. @CloudHaze

Kream1g on 3 Jul 2017

Uhmm i see but what about if you try to get a double conversion UPS ONLINE? like that guy that show in Geforce that there are 3 typse UPS the online, offline and the other one

But he says that the online with double conversion is the necesssary for best gaming experience but im not so sure, we are waiting for the VIDEO, by the way how much you spend in that UPS and power conditioner bro?

@Kream1g

CloudHaze on 3 Jul 2017

Wish i can do something here in this apartment to reduce the electricity emi-rfi... :/ i have no groundled outlets

U.u

CloudHaze on 3 Jul 2017

@CloudHaze The UPS was 200$ USD and the power conditioner was 150$. But to be honest I honestly dont think that EMI/RFI filtering is going to completely fix the issue, I think it will make it better but wont completely fix the issue. But im going to test out some different plugs in my house and see if i get different results. I will keep you updated on the results.

Kream1g on 3 Jul 2017

@Kream1g
Thank so much bro, by the way can you do a Video of playing the game without the UPS or power conditioner, by recording with your phone? to reproduce the not smooth experience?

Then do the same test but with the UPS+power conditioner on and record again with the phone plz ;3

CloudHaze on 3 Jul 2017

also this is driving me crazy this motherboard AMD b350 has alot of Features, settings that there is not info in GOOGLE

LIKE AMD CBS CATEGORY like:
DRam scrub time
Disable DF sync flood propagation
Freeze Df module
GMI encription control
Also the LTB1-2 Cache etc, core performance boost, things like that very annoying

Cs 1.6 runs like a shit :s

CloudHaze on 3 Jul 2017

Please also try lowering cl_dlmax, by default it is set to 512 whereas before 2013 it was 128. It limits how much bandwidth is dedicated to transferring decals/files.

djdallmann on 3 Jul 2017

When do you guys give up, on the UPS thingie?? 🗡 :D

I discovered that, my FANS on my cpu sometimes run a WHOLE lot faster than usual.. and when it does.. my cs is smooth.

I saw that "Steam Client Webhelper" is taking alot of the cpu usage, and could have something to do with the issue maybe???

http://www28.zippyshare.com/v/qOw27zIF/file.html

nikooz on 3 Jul 2017

@nikooz With all respect nikooz , how can we surrender in things like UPS, but sticks to Fans?

Also, did you know your fans are configured through bios manually or set auto, to either increase fan speed or decrease speed, because of environment temperatures, so that's totally normal

And the Steam Client Webhelper, I always shutdown that process, because my internet even at 0% in task manager gets affected by Webhelper

How to turn off Webhelper:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\bin\cef
Either the cef.win7 or cef.winXP, if you have windows 7 and above. pick the win7
Then find the steamwebhelper<-- and modify or rename to steamwebhelper1 , once that, you can open Task Manager and Shutdown or end task the (steam web helper, many of them) wait for 30 seconds, until it appear (SteamErrorReporter.exe) and end that too

So you have to do this, when you log in your steam account, do that process that I listed up, when you finish using your steam and close it, you can rename back to steamwebhelper, otherwise the nextime that you open steam it will update and dowload 90mb of data.

@djdallmann Well i remember Steam talked about that, there is actually a folder (Valve) before the cs-strike folder, where those parameters are by default to properly detect your brand video card and Internet Settings i guess, and so far cl_dlmax stands for dowload plugins, maps, and things, while you are accesssing to a server, so nothing to do with the game engine.

CloudHaze on 3 Jul 2017

Well, IMO is the UPS waste of time.
I lived 5 places, so it pretty much shuts down the electrical issue.. but keep on tryin...

Im just saying that, it just feels like my cpu needs to 'wake' up before, cs getting smooth..
Somedays its good, other not.. and when THOSE good days appear.. i see AND hear my CPU WORKING.

nikooz on 3 Jul 2017

Another thing that i saw in games like (Hereos of the storm ) someone says that he was having stuttering
And by opening cmd prompt as administrator, and running

Net stop WinMGMT
disabling that, then re enabling with Net Start WinMGMT
Solved their stuttering, and yeah in windows 10 the mouse goes more smooth, but the visual lag continues, at least for me, is something i dont know you guys already know my problem xD!

CloudHaze on 5 Jul 2017

Its not a solve at all but see this cos if hes right then we can point out that this lag only can be 2 things eighter not grounded cables or isp no other thing can it be..

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/34/?offset=499#5182758

Everlastingbulletlag on 9 Jul 2017

hi everyone, i just wanna try to help by telling you how it happen to me, I used to play csgo and everything ran well, but one day i tried to play cs 1.6 with a friend and this problem didnt let me play so i gave up cause i thought it was just a problem with this old game, but when I went back to csgo I figure out that now I had this problem on csgo too. since then i couldnt play anymore and i've been looking for a solution. I have a 2000$ MSI GE62 which is more than powerful to run csgo in full settings. try all you said, limiting fps_max 59 help a bit but not solve the problem. hope we can find a fix for it or we will have to delete the game which sucks! i lived in NY for 3 years and now im in spain, had the problem in both countries.

wanxo on 9 Jul 2017

Ok, this demo here: http://www51.zippyshare.com/v/GGGH7L2n/file.html

Is dedicated especially to those people who insulted me and doubted that I solved my problem.

I hope this serves you for a lecture in life because you've been here for years without achieving shit! I solved my Cs in a matter of months. Julius was right for one thing, yes I am a tech illiterate, but he was terribly wrong thinking I didn't solve my Cs 1.6. And the reason why I asked him for a demo was simply to see how "bad" his case was and from there help him to make his game smooth.

In this demo I use the ak47 because that is the most terrible weapon when dealing with this issue. As you can see the bullets stay DOWN as it should be! The usp as well....so now atleast you know that SOLVING THIS IS POSSIBLE.

So keep all being smart asses.

TheHopeDiesForLast on 10 Jul 2017

Why dont you just tells us how to fix it then? Last time you promise to release the fix and nothing happend so give me 1 reason to trust you this time? I hate people saying the have a solve and then dont share. You know how much we suffer from this lag.

Everlastingbulletlag on 10 Jul 2017

And make youtube insted I dont trust you so I dont press on your link,p

Everlastingbulletlag on 10 Jul 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast

But if you dont want to share the fix and help us I cant see why you are posting inhere cos what you achive with it? In this post we try to help eachother not saying I have a fix and then dont post it.
Sorry for being abit angry with you but dont say you show how to fix it and then silence you pomise us all to post the fix along time ago. And you havent post it yet. Then I simply cant trust you. If you understand that?

Everlastingbulletlag on 10 Jul 2017

People keep uploading video as .dem, or by using FRAPS, and that´s doesnt prove anything at all, You clearly cannot see the problem trough those recording softwares

If you really want to show your pc problems, get a (USB-CAPTURE CARD) and them record, otherwhise use your phone, the rear camera or the front'camera, the one with more FPS support, to show properly the gameplay

Why i say this? because i have before record with FRAPS, Miracle, BanditCam, and show a smoother,butter gameplay, and thats not true... is like those software just grab the steady'frame rates, the high end pc, but they doesn´t grab the (input'lag, frame'time, dpc latency) or what so ever..

Lastly but not least, Everlast is right, why didn´t you post the Solution? thats kinda selfish of you.

CloudHaze on 10 Jul 2017

Yes bro I would share the solution with you all in the secound I find it. But it sounds like its cable gounding leak in someway.

Everlastingbulletlag on 10 Jul 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast

But funny you say that ak has more lag cos all wepons have the same lag in dod 1.3 and in Css also in csgo.

Everlastingbulletlag on 10 Jul 2017

closing nahimic and updating audio drivers helped a bit

wanxo on 10 Jul 2017

New findings for you guys to try, so I was messing around with my nvidia settings and came across this forum https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/957854/tutorial-how-to-properly-disable-power-saving/. So when you set "prefer max performance" in control panel for a certain game windows creates default programs such as "desktop windows manager" that you have to change manually because it wont change even if you set it globally. So I went through the entire program list in the nvidia control panel and found at least 3 windows program that default to Adaptive power. once I changed all programs to max performance I restarted my computer. The performance increase was very noticeable. Give it a try and let me know your results.

Kream1g on 12 Jul 2017

Sadly is not a windows things, not to be mean, to you @Kream1g but we have tested before, is highly a problem with PSU converting the AC electricity into DC even by giving good 12 rails 3.3 or 5.0 theres a problem there, also problem can be related to rams but is more like electricity, thanks for your research

CloudHaze on 12 Jul 2017

Wanxo and Kream1g

Thx for advices but yes it make the lag a little less but, this problem is much worse cos its so hard to find the solve alot of people have tryed to solve it with no luck.

CloudHaze how can ram cause it? But yes its propperly something with psu but wich psu is the best to get steady DC?

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Jul 2017

Hi guys, try to test your ISP using NetAlyzr. Post back your results, thanks.

http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/

venhyy on 27 Jul 2017

Hey Venhyy
Did it change anything for you? I read on gforceforum that a guy solve his lag chagehing for uefi bios to legacy but I also read in the same tread that another guy (Mariachi) did it but lag came back but the other guy tested for 2 weeks and still stable.

I made a discovery yesterdag. I installed new program and software and the desktop reacted fast like with no lag almost and I was on wifi. Normaly Im on wired but my phone was on my wifi also and suddenly my phone menus was also reacting very fast. So I wounder if its isp related? But when modem is turned off I still have the lag so I dont think so just abit funny. When I change channel on my wifi or just go to 198.162.. then desctop in a shot periode responds fast. So Im abit confused😣

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

Im running on UEFI+LEGACY and it did nothing, UEFI alone mby add lag itself, but LEGACY mode wont fix this. Please just run netalyzr, Im curious about your network buffering. Run test, and upload results.

venhyy on 27 Jul 2017

Okay I install in a moment and let you know the results.

Do you also see red numbers in netgraph sv+ - when loading into a server even with bots?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

Yea, once it lag I see red numbers.

venhyy on 27 Jul 2017

Venhyy I tired to install but cant there is no botton to push on? Only the 3 bokses

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

Can I use another program?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

You could run test from that site but u need java installed for this.

venhyy on 27 Jul 2017

I have just installed java but it still dont work.. ??

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

Is it because of adbloker maby?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

Ahr its because I use google chrome.. Maby some other with another browser can test it then?

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

Ah yeah, use IE then.

venhyy on 27 Jul 2017

But I only use chrome I hat EI but lets see if anyone else can do the test inhere then..

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

Gosh, what u mean by "I hate EI" ? I dont force u to use IE instead of chrome, u only run the test on it. Fk this forum Im gone here, kids everywhere. Wish u luck.

venhyy on 27 Jul 2017

Venhyy the fact is that I have tryed to solve this longer than most inhere and I have installed so many programs on my old pc trying to solve this and my pc was felt up with crap program and now I have this new pc and I dont want weird program I dont know anything about in it.
If I can use a well know pragram its okay but otherwise no. I spend alot of money on the new pc and dont want ti destroy it. Even though I tryed to install netanalizer but I dont want to install IE and also the program sorry. I dont know if you undetstand but I want this pc clean and thats why I hadnt Java but I installed it but I dont want to doit when its 3 new programs and the netanaliz I dont know at all.

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

But I really appreciate you doing so much to solve this. Can I use another well know program to do the same test I will ptomise to do it.

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

guys :D , u know what is funny. everytime i plug something in to my power
socket the pc makes "usb connected" sound . weird af

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agendar on 27 Jul 2017

Haha Agenda.. The shit is just to weird to figure out. But at least my pc dont do that😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 27 Jul 2017

It is the same for me, agendar. Plugging something in any socket sometimes makes that sound. Also sometimes my keyboard gets frozen and spams 1 button constantly. Im pretty sure that this is caused by not having a ground.

trackercx on 30 Jul 2017

Hello guys, long time lurker/reader of this thread. Decided to join today to share something I consider very interesting regarding cs 1.6 in particular, but I hope it might help somehow with other steam fps games.

So, today I open cs 1.6 and as usual experience that random lag/delay we're dealing with already for many years now. So, frustrated, I quit the game and who knows why decided to go to properties/verify integrity of game files/result 1 file failed to validate and will be reacquired.
Now, I've got that messagge many other times before but never really payed attention into it. However, this time I was really curious to find out which was that 1 file failing to validate. I googled about this error and found some thread where a guy claimed that by choosing the beta version of cs 1.6 and than reverting back to the non beta you're forcing steam to download and thus verify and resolve the files errors. I tried it out and indeed after that move I got All files successfully validated messagge.
Now, I don't know if that beta/non beta operation was even necessary since afterwards I got that 1 file error again and it was normally reacquired through the verification process. Anyway, that is not the point. The curious part is that after the successful validation cs 1.6 runs much much smoother than without it. At first I was quite skeptical and even thought it might be a placebo, but it isn't. Indeed the game runs smooth, it actually runs properly (atleast it seems to me so far).
Anyway, after that I got even more curious about this whole situation and I suspected that after every game cs 1.6 gets somehow corrupted and you have to always reacquire that 1 failing file each time before playing. So, what I did was I played for like 10 minutes in one of the usual servers I play in, then quit go to properties again verify integrity of game files and bam All files successfully validated. So, that's it? Was it all that easy? Nope, I knew it it wasn't that easy.
At that point I suspected that certain servers by forcing you to download some models/skins might be corrupting your counter-strike. So I decided to join a server which I know will download some models etc...and so I played in such server for 10 minutes once again and then quit the game to check files integrity. Once again all files successfully validated.
Now, here comes the most curious and interesting part for me.
After that, I decide to open cs 1.6 and Create New Game, just for some more testing, but before this I changed the starting money, buy time and freeze time. Dicked around on the map for like 1/2 minutes, and then I quit to once again verify the integrity of game files. Result? 1 file failed to validate and will be reacquired!
So, in that moment I believed that by changing the default game parameters you were somehow corrupting cs, but it wasn't that...afterwards I found out that just by creating a server you were getting that 1 file validation error. Even if I got every parameter at default, just by launching a server once I was getting the file validation error.

Conclusion, from now on every time before playing I will be validating the game's integrity. It makes cs run much smoother atleast in my case. Unfortunately I still don't know which is that 1 file which fails to validate and WHY does this file fails if you launch a New Game. It's a mystery to me, but maybe you guys as well could do some testing on your own. Maybe, if we find out which is that file we'd have some new route to follow and who knows what else might pop out. As they say one thing leads to another....

Bondi94 on 6 Aug 2017

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@Bondi94 Yeah i can confirm what you say it is happening, I first before launching cs 1.6 i did verified of files, and it prompt: 1 file failed to validate and will be reacquired!, i know it would happen because i haven't verify in a while, but yeah once i did that, i totally open my game cs 1.6 and play in just one server around 3-4 minut in the same map, then i close the game, and try again for scan and validating files, and nothing happens still everything well

But yeah i entered to new game, changes freezeetime, startmoney, and just quite new game and without closing cs 1.6 i open again new/game and changes freeze/time start money, they i decide to close newgame and close the wholegame and scan files, and you know what? 1 file failed to validate and will be reacquired! lol it throw me that error

Now i'm thinking about that, maybe that error can happens too, when moving from One server to another server, or maybe, in the same servers, when changin map from dust2 to inferno, nuke etc, maybe files can get corrupted,. so we gotta try and check that

Thanks for that research @Bondi94 (y)

CloudHaze on 7 Aug 2017

@Bondi94
Updating local server settings from the user interface changes the file cstrike/settings.scr, the purpose of verify game integrity is to return key components of the game to Valves original state which does not include user configuration since this is user defined.

Valve creates a cryptographic hash for each file then compares the hashes of files in your half-life/cstrike folder with those they have. If they are different it'll replace the file with the one they have on record.

djdallmann on 7 Aug 2017

Hi CloudHaze, no it cannot happen when joining different servers. From my tests this happens only when you create a New Game. And it is not necessary to change any server setting. Simply by creating a server you're getting the 1 fail failed to validate error. That is the strangest thing for me.
Verify your game integrity and then create a server without altering any of the default parameters, then close it and go back to verify your game, you'd see that you'll get the 1 file failed to validate. Completely illogical.

Bondi94 on 7 Aug 2017

Bondi94 I can confirm that exactly the same thing happends in csgo. And then when I enter the game after shutting the game down (not steam) and validate then entering the game again it installs directx again. I dont know if it can help you but same thing here. Also on my old pc the steam games becomes more smooth after defragmenting c:\ but the recoil lag and bullet lag was still there but abit smoother than normal.

Everlastingbulletlag on 7 Aug 2017

Bondi94 I dont know so much about this but I have autoexec.cfg wich execute automatic when I enter the game and I dont know if that makes the fail validate?

Everlastingbulletlag on 7 Aug 2017

Hi Everlasting, the .cfg is not related to this. You can alter it as much as you want, but it doesn't have any relation with that file error. That file validation error occurs ONLY if you create a New Game.
In other words, let's say you reinstall CS...if you join immediately some online server and never ever go to create a New Game you're games integrity will be fine.
Regarding CS.GO that is not surpirse to me actually. That is why in my initial post I mentioned that it might help with other Steam FPS games.

Also, another thing that I'm testing right now is different sample rates. Till now we all believed that for CS 16bit 41000hz is the most appropriate, but I'm not so sure at this point. Yesterday night Cs was super smooth and today, to my surprise, I realized that my sample rate is set to 48000hz 24bit, which btw is the common sample and bit rates used for speach and movies in particular. I can't remember where, but I read that during the 2013 Cs 1.6 update the game from that moment will be using the Steam audio engine, whatever that means.
Unfortunately I cannot find info about the Steam audio engine. If we knew their default sample and bit rate depth we might try to simply match them and see how games will run.

Bondi94 on 7 Aug 2017

Ahr okay Bondi94 but I just saw yesterday that 1 file isnt good after lauching a local game and I didnt reinstalled csgo but only validate and it was reparing 1 file and then I launched csgo and after playing and closing csgo 1 file was corrupted. Just like you said. I have seen this before and it can have something todo with the problem. I saw that csgo installed directx again after doing this and its abit strange cos directx is already installed. Also if I remove steam completely even in regedit then when I install dod 1.3 and do nothing at all just play then suddenly I see a file is changed. Long time ago I made a custom spay in dod and I called the file remapped dont know why but I did he. But then suddenly the remapped file is present in my steam folder even though I didnt made the (remapped)file after the new install of steam. This is strange I think?? But I also read long time ago that people said that recoillag/bulletlag was related to corrupted steam.dll file. I have newer seen a prowe in that but can it be corrupted files in someway?

I have testet with all mhz in sound and couldnt see any differends but I didnt tested for long further the lag was present long before audioegine was used if you said is was used from 2013. I have seen the lag goes away sometimes though really rare. But I didnt change anything as far as I remember. But on my old pc I could set the game to run in window and 800x600 resolution and suddenly the game become normal.

Hope it can guide you in some way Bondi😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 8 Aug 2017

Do you guys play cs 1.6 in Windows 10?

Or you guys plays on windows xp? or 7? or 8?

CloudHaze on 13 Aug 2017

Hi, I play it on Win 7 64bit.

Bondi94 on 13 Aug 2017

CloudHaze I play in win 10(64bit) now
But before win 7 and xp lag in all my steam games dod 1.3, csgo, tf2, css.

Everlastingbulletlag on 13 Aug 2017

Hello guys, I need you to test something for me, please, is very important. I say I need YOU because I cannot disable the Windows's 7 driver signature request. In theory it should be easy, but I can't find the disable option for the secure boot in my BIOS.

Anyway, have any of you tried to uninstall your realtek audio driver and install instead the old ac 97 realtek driver? I ask this because I remembered that back in the day, I talk about 10 years ago, I have installed that same driver and cs 1.6 was running flawlessly!

You can download the Realtek ac97 driver from here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsCheck.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=23&PFid=23&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false (accept what you've read and download the one compatible with your OS) If you're on anything higher than Win XP than you'll have to disable the driver signature request from your OS.

For Windows 7 reboot and press F8, choose disable driver signature. Then install.

If you can't, open command prompt with administrative privileges and type

bcdedit /set nointegritychecks ON

press enter and reboot. Try now.

To restore the default setting

bcdedit /set nointegritychecks OFF

If you're still unable to install you'll have to find the secure boot option in your BIOS and disable it. That's what I'm trying to do right now.

If you've already tried that, sorry for being late.

Bondi94 on 13 Aug 2017

But Bondi94 thats only for windows 7 , what about windows10

CloudHaze on 13 Aug 2017

cmd prompt as admin

bcdedit /set testsigning on

restart -> install

to restore

cmd promt as admin

bcdedit /set testsigning off

Bondi94 on 13 Aug 2017

Ah you mean the ac97 driver...

Let me try something, will be back...

Bondi94 on 13 Aug 2017

CloudHaze, use that same Win 7 installer.

Right click -> Troubleshoot Compatability -> Troubleshoot Program Thick the FIRST and the THIRD options out of the 4 available. Select Windows XP (Server Pack 2). Then Start the program.

Bondi94 on 13 Aug 2017

Guys I cant install ac97 drivers even with drivers signature thing being
enabled it keeps popping the message : Windows cant verify the publisher of
this driver software ....

god damn it :D

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CloudHaze, use that same Win 7 installer.

Right click -> Troubleshoot Compatability -> Troubleshoot Program Thick
the FIRST and the THIRD options out of the 4 available. Select Windows XP
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julius2k on 13 Aug 2017

Ok guys, I just made some more testing and I can i can guarantee you that this is the driver we've been all searching for. This is the driver on which cs 1.6 was running back in the good old days. 10 years ago, in the tournaments as well this was the driver they used to play with.

Bondi94 on 14 Aug 2017

Another important thing. If you choose to install it with the Win Xp (service pack 2) be sure to change the compatability mode of your half-life.exe file. It runs better with server pack2 anyways. However if you install it with service pack 3, then don't touch the compatability mode of your cs.

Bondi94 on 14 Aug 2017

yeah but the fuck am i suppose to install it? :[ keeps give me the error:/
im on windows 7 64bit :(

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julius2k on 14 Aug 2017

Wow it makes good sense Blondi94 I try soon as possible. But have to sleep now. Is your game back to normal? Like in old days?

Everlastingbulletlag on 14 Aug 2017

Do you know if it will also work in csgo?

Everlastingbulletlag on 14 Aug 2017

I know julius, that's why I installed the Win XP version instead.

Try to see in your bios if you got the option to disable secure boot. That is the thing that is preventing you from disabling the whole driver signature feature.

But installing the Windows 7 file would be correct thing to do.

Bondi94 on 14 Aug 2017

But what about if my motherboard b350, and it only comes with HD AUDIO port? it doesnt matter right? i can still in the bios activating ac97?

CloudHaze on 14 Aug 2017

Hi Everlasting, there is difference for sure, but we all have to test on our own before making definitive conclusions. Many times before we've cheared too early. However my impressions so far are the following. The sound is thinner, more focused. I feel lighter in game. I can walk forward and shoot and the bullets don't fly all over the place. However, these are just first impressions so take them with a grain of salt.

Bondi94 on 14 Aug 2017

Sorry CloudHaze, didn't understand what you mean with hd audio port. Anyway, if you have the option to select the ac97 audio from your bios than totally do it.

Guys, we have to test every possible thing which is available to us. I know that it takes time, but this is the only way to come on top of this eventually.

Bondi94 on 14 Aug 2017

Ok, for today I am literally DONE!
Searched 3 hours for a way to disable the secure boot in my BIOS and still nothing. Until I don't install that file I won't be calm. Tomorrow is a new day. Good night.

btw if anyone wants to try on their own: https://www.raymond.cc/blog/loading-unsigned-drivers-in-windows-7-and-vista-64-bit-x64/ this is page 1 of 2

Bondi94 on 14 Aug 2017

At the end of the day, i have a cable which has HD-AUDIO and AC-97, I connected the AC-97, then in BIOS, i saw an option front panel HD or AC97, so if i put HD, windows wont reconogize audio in front panel, so if i put ac-97 of course it does...

So the thing is i connected AC97 and activated front panel as AC97 it reconogize the sound, but this only seems to work with the Windows Generic Driver audio which are HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO, in the TAB SYSTEM in Device Manager, i cannot Install the AC/97 i started windows as signature off... also i tried to changes compatibility setup to windows 7, or windows 8 and nothing work, it prompt and prompt the message: This is a unsingature software do you want to install? or not to install, i say yes! when i say yes, it keeps prompt and prompt the same message..

So far is weird this shit...... i know its working my AC/97 because if i changes the front-panel bios to HD, it wont recognize my sound, but if i set ac/97 it will but with weird windows hd audio..

CloudHaze on 14 Aug 2017

Hi guys any luck with install of the driver? Im having a problem with doing this cos my bios dont show in the boot and I have turned fastboot off. It happend when I would try to use onboard gfxcard to see if it would make the lag disapire. I know I can take out battery but a bit of a mess cos I have to take out battery out of my motherboard. Is it possible to install the driver without going into bios? and I dont know if I have ac98 audio on my motherboard. I dont think so but it seems maby right that the input lag is about sound. I remember that footsteps and other sounds was not so loud as it should be when lag came.

Everlastingbulletlag on 14 Aug 2017

Hello guys, just passing by to tell you that I'll back at it towards the weekend. During the week I am too busy, working the entire day.

Bondi94 on 14 Aug 2017

OMG, legacy audio codec? RLY? It's not 90's pls. Dont waste time installing obsolete audio driver. If u want to waste time then u must have AC97 front panel and BIOS supporting AC97 which I rly doubt, newer chipset dont use that.

xenitron on 14 Aug 2017

@xenitron Actually my Asrock fatality b350 k4 gaming which is designed for ryzen, supports front panel AC/97. i'm testing and the game reminds the same...

I just unistalled realtek HD audio, and using generic windows 10 audios plus i tried to install the AC/97 drivers and it seems that it is installed but not working at all... game still the same.. i guess..

check my dpc latency still the same jumping from 19 to 50/ 60 etc..

CloudHaze on 14 Aug 2017

@CloudHaze Post back driver section of LatencyMon after short play

xenitron on 14 Aug 2017

The thing is, this problem is beyond that DPC Latency, is something related to Electricity.. in my opinion.
And yes i have changes my Interrupt in drivers which now are MSI to avoid any ISR sharing. because i have already tested dpc latency over 7 days in forums, things like raidcall, ventrilo where you share pictures etc and problem persist.

It seems that you dont have that problem isn't? @xenitron

best regards.

CloudHaze on 14 Aug 2017

Sad to hear it didnt solved it CloudHaze. But I wounder if any of you have tryed to get a gounded cable directly from house powersource with good grounded cable like at those in public places for outlets to "laptops". It should be more stable and deliver DC elektricity I think.

Everlastingbulletlag on 14 Aug 2017

you mean to go out of our houses xD? and plug the PC into a public outlet which is grounded right? thats sound hahah omg xD! here in Venezuela thats difficult because here doesn't exist the ground wired, i mean you can ask someone to install a ground cooper bar, but oficially the goverment doesn't support that.

CloudHaze on 14 Aug 2017

Dat kid saying bullshitz :D Its unbeliavable :D "DC elektricity" :D

xenitron on 14 Aug 2017

Bullshit? lol grown up buddy, and do a research about (Dirty Electricity) and before being arrogant

Go here and read this Geforce Forum ,whereas a technician and ingenier talked about electricity and posted some pictures about his house, because they were explaining things with their pc too...

PS: im not a kid :), my english is not that good.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/1/

CloudHaze on 14 Aug 2017

http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-spying-on-you.html

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/11/blocking-telemetry-in-windows-7-and-8-1/

First read the first link, than, in the second you have detailed list of all the VIRUSES we have to remove!

Also guys, please, before removing this crap check your dpc latency with the various programs and compare afterwards.

Bondi94 on 15 Aug 2017

Ok, this is interesting.

Please, all of you who are suffering from this can you tell me if you play during the night and what monitor settings you got in regards to brightness and contrast? Are they low low to reduce eye strain?

Bondi94 on 18 Aug 2017

So where is that AC97 driver we are looking for ?

xenitron on 19 Aug 2017

Already posted the link.

Bondi94 on 19 Aug 2017

Mine is alot more smooth during the night. Monitor settings??? come on :D

nikooz on 19 Aug 2017

Yeah but there are 2 aspects to this problem, for me atleast. One is smoothness, the other is recoil/spray pattern. Sometimes I got a smooth, fast paced game but not really good recoil/spray or the other way around. Maybe once in a month I'd have completely smooth game on both sides.
Regarding the monitor settings I was asking, because in my case what I would do is I'd lower the brightness and contrast values to reduce eye fatigue, but then I have to raise the in-game video settings to see better as a compensation.
The other night I started playing with my monitor brightness and contrast controls and by reducing the ingame brightness and contrast controls and increasing them on my monitor instead I noticed a sudden improvement, not just in my game, but with my pc as a whole. What I mean is that my mouse suddenly felt lighter and it almost seemed as If I overclocked my monitor, if that makes any sense. And so while all the other changes I've made recently to improve my game had an enffect perceivable only, excelusively in my game, this time the change was perceivable outside of it. Moving my mouse on my desktop felt different, lighter, faster and more precise.
So I was wondering If maybe by keeping such low brightness and contrast values if we're somehow putting our monitor in power saving state, or atleast sending a low power consumption demand to our whole system which in return doesn't provide enough power to display every frame, which is translated as frame skipping, visual lag etc.
Guys, I am just making suppositions here.
But yeah, afterwards I had to restore my previous settings because the eye fatigue was unbearable for me. My eyes are extremely sensitive and I can't resist for too much with strong lights at night.

Bondi94 on 19 Aug 2017

interesting

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Yeah but there are 2 aspects to this problem, for me atleast. One is
smoothness, the other is recoil/spray pattern. Sometimes I got a smooth,
fast paced game but not really good recoil/spray or the other way around.
Maybe once in a month I'd have completely smooth game on both sides.
Regarding the monitor settings I was asking, because in my case what I
would do is I'd lower the brightness and contrast values to reduce eye
fatigue, but then I have to raise the in-game video settings to see better
as a compensation.
The other night I started playing with my monitor brightness and contrast
controls and by reducing the ingame brightness and contrast controls and
increasing them on my monitor instead I noticed a sudden improvement, not
just in my game, but with my pc as a whole. What I mean is that my mouse
suddenly felt lighter and it almost seemed as If I overclocked my monitor,
if that makes any sense. And so while all the other changes I've made
recently to improve my game had an enffect perceivable only, excelusively
in my game, this time the change was perceivable outside of it. Moving my
mouse on my desktop felt different, lighter, faster and more precise.
So I was wondering If maybe by keeping such low brightness and contrast
values if we're somehow putting our monitor in power saving state, or
atleast sending a low power consumption demand to our whole system which in
return doesn't provide enough power to display every frame, which is
translated as frame skipping, visual lag etc.
Guys, I am just making suppositions here.
But yeah, afterwards I had to restore my previous settings because the eye
fatigue was unbearable for me. My eyes are extremely sensitive and I can't
resist for too much with strong lights at night.

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agendar on 20 Aug 2017

I suppose that the new generation of power supply have a certain threshold which if not exceeded keeps them into a power saving mode.
Anyway, for those who wanna mess with the brightness and contrast of their monitors I would suggest to FIRST lower the video setting IN GAME. Afterwards increase the contrast and brightness value of your monitor seperately. First start maybe with the brightness, and important, while increasing the value I'd suggest to move with one hand your mouse to better perceive what I'm talking about. And leave it for atleast 10 minutes with these high values until it warms up.
Back in the day when I was playing cs 1.6 in the pc clubs there were only CRT monitors, which as I remember had always extremely high contrast and brightness settings. Although there were lamps in those clubs I still couldn't resist for more than 2/3 hours. But one thing is certain, there was no visual lag whatsoever. There was the usual internet lag/delay but that's a different thing to our problem.

Bondi94 on 20 Aug 2017

I also expirence more smooth gameplay at night. I will try to set brightness and contrast low to see if something change. I report back.

Can you try to put you phone on wifi the same as your pc and see if the phone react faster both in menus and in internet. Cos my phone is often much faster in evening and night. And when lag becomes low on my pc my phone react exstrem fast.

Everlastingbulletlag on 20 Aug 2017

I can never stop being amazed at how illogical this problem is.
Yesterday my whole pc was running flawlessly, today, it is a complete disaster. Mouse feels heavy, the whole system seems like struggling...

Bondi94 on 5 Sep 2017

Hi SandorClegane11, after years dealing with this problem I wouldn't exclude ANY theory at this stage.
But this is not related exclusively to CS. This is something bigger that involves the whole system, because when your pc is running well, even just moving your mouse on the screen is a JOY.

Bondi94 on 5 Sep 2017

But how all the pros never face this thing? They travel change pcs and we
never hear any problems from their sides.

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But this is not related exclusively to CS. This is something bigger that
involves the whole system, because when your pc is running well, even just
moving your mouse on the screen is a JOY.

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julius2k on 5 Sep 2017

Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god!!! I have fixed it....I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! IS THIS A DREAM?
The game has been running superbly for 2 days now.

It ran perfectly the other day and I believed it would turn back to shit once I come back, but not this time. It is now the third day and CS runs fantastically.
I am too excited right now guys, will right you back!!!

Bondi94 on 8 Sep 2017

Tell us what you did bro xD

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IS THIS A DREAM?
The game has been running superbly for 2 days now.

It runned perfectly the other day and I believed it would turn back to
shit once I come back, but not this time. It is now the third day and CS
runs fantastically.
I am too excited right now guys, will right you back!!!

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julius2k on 8 Sep 2017

Ok guys, I know this has been a long journey and many have started believing that it is impossible to solve this, but I can assure you that you're wrong. This time is for real.

Follow me very carefully now.
So, 3 days ago I was really frustrated with how my game run, infact I wrote a post here saying how illogical this problem is. So, I didn't really know what to do at this point after having tried so many things without a positive outcome.
Who knows why I decide to go on my motherboard download page (a Gigabyte B250M-3DH) and download the latest chipset driver. So, I install them and reboot. Something strange happens.
Basically while moving my mouse on the desktop it feels light and is a pleasure to just move it, but when opening Counter-Strike to play the game runs like shit. So, I sit back and start thinking...there is something wrong here...why does my mouse feel so good outside of the game, but so random inside it?
At this point I remembered how they always say to install your chipset drivers FIRST. Now, to be honest with you, I never payed attention to that quote and never bothered being precise on it. However since I didn't want to reinstall Windows I decided to try acting as if I did install my chipset drivers first, or atleast make my system believe so. Ok, what I did was uninstall and install back again that same video driver for my GPU. Reboot, much better, about 15% improvement. So I basically uninstalled and installed again each of my drivers and by doing so after every reboot it felt better and better. However although the improvment was noticable I wasn't too excited because after so many delusions I believed that however good I make my system go it would eventually go back to crap. So I kept installing my drivers and the game started running definitely good, but there was missing something. It was running well, but not quite perfect...so I installed the latest network adapter availble: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/18713/Intel-Network-Adapter-Driver-for-Windows-7-
And that improved everything even more, but still there was something wrong...I was not satisfied, because the models while in game were somehow skipping and it wasn't super smooth, but it was very playble I have to say.
So I was thinking and thinking....what is the missing part to make my game completely smooth? And in that moment I remembered that for testing purpose I changed my defaul bios boot mode from Legacy to UEFI (since my mobo has the two options availble) so I was like "hmmm, let's try to boot with my Legacy default setting just to see) and when I returned back in game I was like "WTF" is going on here....I couldn't believe how fast, smooth, easy my game was running. Killing was a JOKE, I was finally able to actually see my oponents and have the time to react and kill them. I was making some insane headshots trough the walls and honestly the first minutes I was quite confused because after years playing with lag, frame skipping, stuttering and what not I honestly forgot how enjoyable this game can be. So I played for like 15 minutes and quit the game just to recap what the heck did I do. I wanted to remember every passage that lead to this. So I wrote down everything I did in order to not forget the steps I made.
Anyway, I was still too afraid that the day after all will be back to normal...i mean back to crap....I played for 2 hours more testing my game in different servers and it run equally good on all of them, just chaning the rates to mach a specific server.
I went to sleep and after work I sit back in front of my pc, turn it on and already I am super scared that it will be back to shit. What I'm looking for is my mouse, whether it will feel light on the desktop...if it does it means it still runs great. So I turn on my pc, as soon as my Windows loads I start moving my mouse left to right and infact it feels light, but not so much like yesterday....but after 10 minutes it actually started behaving just like the day before. I suppose my system needs it time to warm up, hehe.
After 30 minutes or so I started CS and thanks god it run perfectly again. At this point I got really excited and finally started to believe that I indeed solve my problem once and for all, but I was still not 100% convinced, because there was one last test I had to make in order to be completely sure. And that test is to shut down my PC from the power behind. This test I made today. I shut it off completely and went to work, now that I am back I turn it on and is again all perfect and this is why I decided to right you here guys, because now I am sure that all is solved for me.

Ask me anything I am willing to help with what I can to help you as well to come on top of this.

And important, the chipset driver is the INF folder, everything else comes AFTER.

Also, if any of you uses noforce comannds in their launch options, remove them and use m_rawinput 1.

Bondi94 on 8 Sep 2017

👍1

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqkiaO7q4&t=1731s

Go at 25:15 for chipset drivers guide.

Bondi94 on 8 Sep 2017

Very interesting my friend!, i am trying right now to follow all of your
steps. Where is the option in your bios to change from Legacy to UEFI and
backwards? Im sure i've done it at some point as well, but cant locate it
anymore :D

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julius2k on 8 Sep 2017

You should search for "Storage Boot Option Control" at least that is the definition in my BIOS.

Also, very important, if you're with an Intel processor do not forget to install the intel engine management interface.

Please post here the model of your motherboard.

Bondi94 on 8 Sep 2017

I downloaded the chipset drivers for my mother board and can confirm
everythings fucking responsive and fast while moving mouse. Its H97-E or
something.
Would it help if i just set my bios settings to default? :)

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Also, very important, if you're with an Intel processor do not forget to
install the intel engine management interface.

Please post here the model of your motherboard.

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julius2k on 8 Sep 2017

I suppose it would. If your motherboard isn't very recent your boot option should be Legacy be default.

That's a great sign julius, now follow every other step. And don't forget to download the latest network adapter, I posted the link in my explanation comment. Download it, uninstall your old net adaptor and install the new one, reboot and restart your modem.

Bondi94 on 9 Sep 2017

Also, I forgot to mention. After reseting your bios setting BE SURE you got no LED lights enabled. That is a LAG fest. Also disable your internal graphic adaptor.

Bondi94 on 9 Sep 2017

My network adapter is realtek pcie one i guess it won't be same as you
posted in that link. Yeah ill try everysingle thing u wrote here

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got no LED lights enabled. That is a LAG fest. Also disable your internal
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julius2k on 9 Sep 2017

Ok, just get the latest you got from your mobo support page.
Also, I am running my system now without the realtek audio driver. It adds lagg to my whole system, and, the microsoft HD driver is enough for CS.
If you're with Nvidia Card install only the graphic driver, everything else such as ge force experiene and other crap is a LAG FEST.

Bondi94 on 9 Sep 2017

How Intel Chipset drivers could affect performance? Its just bunch of .INF files that are just change name of Intel devices.

venhyy on 9 Sep 2017

vehny, as I said, I never payed attention to the assertion that you need to install your chipset drivers first and infact I never cared to follow that order...but that is what worked for me.
Now it's the 4th day and all is working as it should be. Never before that happened to me. 1 day was the maximum I've experienced a smooth game.

Bondi94 on 9 Sep 2017

Bodni, I dont know why this way could help u but u would see there would be no other guys to fix their problem this way. Anyway wish u smooth gameplay.

venhyy on 9 Sep 2017

DON'T BE LAZY READ TO THE END! THIS REALLY MATTERS!
And for users that uses Windows 8.1 and 10<-

Should do this steps:
1- Download Latest AMD/INTEL Chipset Drivers
2- Download Nvdia/AMD drivers
3- Download Realtek Lan Latest Drivers (or your brand lan)
4- Download Your latest Ahci Drivers Very important From Stations (website) or manufacturer board
5- Download Latest Audio Drivers for Your Board
6- Intel management in case you are (intel) <-- just this one through Device Manager

Okay this is the interesting Part:
For Amd users like me that have Ryzen, things are getting difficult because USB mouse port are inconsistent With HZ<-- and the way we need to install Chipset are just Ugly. Because we need to Extract Setup,chipset to locate Package Folder Where the Drivers are, and install one by one, because windows 10 is entire fucked with ryzen.

And remember please for Windows 8.1 and 10, when you finally install The chipset you gotta restar pc, and before installing anything open CMD and type:

WINSAT FORMAL <------- this wild re-run Windows experience Index that use to have windows 7, this will ensure that your chipset drivers gets CFG PROPERLY.

So You will be doing this with all Drivers:
1- Chipset Installed Reboot wait 1 minut Open Cmd as administrator (Winsat Formal) reboot
2- Now Install Amd or Nvidia Drivers, Reboot Wait for boot to windows Do the same CMD+Winsat

Things before start:

So in this way you will doing that with Every Driver installed. Also i recommend to everyone Pause Windows update though GPEDIT.MSC (Local Group Policy editor) under computer section:, Administrative Templates, Windows Components. Find Windows Update folder, find the file:

Configure Automatic updates, double click set (ENABLE) 2- Notify For Dowload and Auto Install, hit OK

Now Go and Dowload this tool from windows.
http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/2/f22d5fdb-59cd-4275-8c95-1be17bf70b21/wushowhide.diagcab (A tool to hide generic or unnecesary updates from Microsoft)

After that just hit the option that say Hide Windows update, this will list those ugly Generic drivers that windows prepare for your Realtek, Nvidia, Adobe, And others thing that you really don't need, try to check all of those updates that you don't need hit apply, and remember to re run 3 times again, to see if are really hidding.

Now you simply can start to DDU software to unistall AMD/DRIVERS, and focus on chipset and others drivers as explain.

But if you are to lazy and want do a Fresh Install of windows, well them, make you sure you prepare a folder like me.

A Folder in A backup HDD that has all the drivers (CHIPSET, GRAPHIC, LAN, AUDIO, AHCI Intel management, etc,etc.)
And when installing a fresh version of windows please be sure to (DISCONNECT INTERNET) to have time to apply the GPDIT.MSC Trick to put manually the updates, then in this way you will able to avoid Windows Select Updates to you. and you can have chance to run the (Microsoft Show Hide Tool), and have more control, but the thing is Fully Update Windows with security packets, etc etc, them do chipset and others things, or in viceverse i guess, first chipset+drivers, later the Security updates.

PS: You can also after Install Chipset+drivers at the end of the day (apply the Winsat formal)
Better at the end. Winsat Formal will do that thing that windows 7 use to rate all our components, do stress, and get the best score, and cfg. but if you are worried, you can do for every driver after instal or later when you finishing all.
So hope you guys like this and move on.

CloudHaze on 10 Sep 2017

Guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT FIXED IT WAS NOT THE CHIPSET DRIVERS, BUT THIS.....

YOU NEED TO RIGHT CLICK ON YOUR DESKTOP -> Personalize - Display - Change Resolution - Advanced Settings - Manage Colors - Manage Colors (again) - Advanced then you have the DEVICE PROFILE there is a list with preset which control your monitor colors profile. By default mine was set to "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" instead I selected my Monitor and that was it. That is what you should do immediately!

I guarantee you, even the doubters that this is the final solution. Please report back asap!!!

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

In that list there should be listed your monitor as well, you should select your monitor and not the default "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" or whatever you may have.

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

Honestly I thought you'd never find out. This is why I wrote that when I understood this problem I was happy and angry at the same time. It was easy, one little tweak that changes everything. Bondi saved your arrogant asses.

TheHopeDiesForLast on 11 Sep 2017

could u make some video or atleast picture how to set it?

xenitron on 11 Sep 2017

@Bondi94 u mean this
http://ipix.lt/images/326845c8211bfc2adc33960c8028be70.png

lamapukas on 11 Sep 2017

u rly take this guy serious? He is just trolling here, he comes with 5 different "GLOBAL SOLUTIONS" over last motnh which did shit. Tommorow it will be probably another solution like disable VSYNC.

venhyy on 11 Sep 2017

What is that fix for? Coz it changed nothing to the gameplay, Venhyy is right.

vezovi on 11 Sep 2017

TheHopeDiesForLast is a troll thats for sure.. But I take my hat off of people trying to solve this seriusly. We dont need trolls we need the fix.

Remeber also to look in this tread for possible solves

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/950944/pc-components/mouse-input-lag-is-killing-me/41/

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

lampukas, YES.
But now there is "Advanced" on the right. Click there. There should be the list I was talking about.

Look at the picture I just posted.

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

If you installed your monitor's driver there should appear your monitor as well. By default Windows sets it to "sRGB IEC61966-2.1". You should select your monitor and confirm below "change predifined system values" or something like that should be in english!

And you don't need to reboot! It works right away!

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

Wtf?;DD Can this might be true?? Hooooly.. But I dont know how to do it but I found this..

https://pcmonitors.info/articles/using-icc-profiles-in-windows/

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Bondi94 it aint saving my changers.. You know how to get it done? You are my true hero if this works;D

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Omfg Bondi you better tell me qiuck;DDDDDDDDD Long time I had this feeling about the lag getting solved so damn you are the greatest player of all time if you solve this riddel.. No one have been able to solve this since 2004 not even Steam;DDDDDDDD

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Bondi I see my monitor in first option but not under advanced? Can you help me? Cos it wont save it if I just change this forst one:...(

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

There is no fix for this. Like Victor910 said

You can't just play like professional and minute after you suck.. This game is like slot machine, it makes you addicted gives you half hour of average smooth gameplay and after you can't hit for shit! It uses rng system. Everything is random at some point

Sorry but I don't know who is more dumber, those who came with stupid "Fixes" like "Wow I just baked a potato on my graphic card and the game runs great.."

Or the people who think that fix is in changing cards, drivers, mouses, cables... I've literally changed few houses and nation's including changing few computers and all of them had this problem... So don't be fooled by Valve, they are not lovely company as you tought.

Kosta4934 on 11 Sep 2017

Everlastingbulletlag, my comment was pretty clear. I even posted an image. Come on man...once you confirm that just join some good server with nice ping, the difference is noticable on the first 2 minutes.

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

Great article Everlastingbulletlag!!!!!
This is what I was talking about. Come on guys, the solution is in front of our eyes, why do you refuse to see it?
It won't cost you anything to try what I said.

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

Omg Evarlasting, in that article it even explains the problems with certain Steam games! Come on people, open your eyes! This is the solution!!!

You spend so much time trying different tweaks, please do it again for me! I really want you to try this.

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

I dont have my monitor listed here cuz ASUS doesnt provide any driver for it. How could I make ICC profile?

xenitron on 11 Sep 2017

xenitron, in the article posted by Evarlasting it is explained !!!!

Come on people, this is it!!!!

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

I see, investigating way how to do this. yea, but I cant see my monitor listed there as option.

xenitron on 11 Sep 2017

cant make this possible on asus vx239H, no driver for this monitor. cant change profile

xenitron on 11 Sep 2017

Hey all just tested and the game is clear more smooth. It didnt fix the hole lag but scoping worked faster and more smooth in dod 1.3 and csgo. I think I did the fix wrong thats why maby it dont make it clear goes away. A big thank to you Bondi for trying so hard to fix this😉 My problem is that I can see my profile wich is gfx nividia 1070 in the the first window but when I chose it.. it returs to my printer afterwoods even tough I set it to use my gfx profil. Then shen I chose avanced setting in coulor profile I can see my gxf 1070 there but only adobes and many other like srB.. wich is the default one. You know how to get it done so it save it in the main window and how I get it in so I can select it in the advanced window Bondi?😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

I got same problem as you xenitron but one of my freinds helped me to find the monitor driver long time sgo I didnt tourgh that there where any but he did find it maby you should try get it done even though it seems like there is no 1 fore you. Give Bondi fix a try like he said its like for free. And easy to do if you can see both gfx profile in botg maon window and in advanced option. We have nothing to lose😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Xenitron try to go to monitors website.. I cant remember what my friend did my maby he founded the driver there😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

No no no no, that gtx 1070 is in the devices page. Once you choose Colour Managment you go directly to Advanced. There you choose your monitor where you got "Device Profile" after that you choose "Change System Defaults" and there you choose once again your monitor!

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

Im going to read the article I postet maby I foind out how to do it. I didnt read it to end before😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

To be able do this, u must have ICM file for your monitor.

xenitron on 11 Sep 2017

Bondi I cant see my gfx under advanced colourprofile and it keeps going back to my printer in first page.. But when I even try choose another one another from default one my desktop react faster than normale😄😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

How to get icm for my monitor?😂 Im abit noob in this😂😂😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Guys, when you bought your monitors didn't you get any installation disk? If not, at least there should be an INF file which would allow Windows to recognize your monitor. All the monitors of the last 15 years have an inf file!
Come on, be serious guys...

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

Dude there is no way color profiles change anything. Tried all of them not
a bit of a difference

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Guys, when you bought your monitors didn't you get any installation disk?
If not, at least there should be an INF file which would allow Windows to
recognize your monitor. All the monitors of the last 15 years have an inf
file!
Come on, be serious guys...

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julius2k on 11 Sep 2017

Yes I did Bondi but I have no cd-rom drive;SSSSSSS So damn but I try to find another solution.. Is your game running like in good old days?;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

julius it didnt solve it but abit more smooth.. I will try to see if this can be the solve cos I see game and desktop react faster then normale now..

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/how-to-calibrate-your-monitor

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Now I just need to find that IMC thing;S haha

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Julius I saw how changing solution suddely make game very fast on my old pc and my the thing are related in some way if it can be that?;S ;DDDDDDDD

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Julius, you don't have to TRY all the different colour profiles. This is what you all have to do.

Go to "Colour Managment" from there go to"Advanced" from there to "Change System Defaults" from there go to "Advanced" and in that menu you should select your monitor. Close, reopen to check if your monitor is selected.
Then join a good server, play for 5 minutes and you'll understand.

1) Colour Managment
2)Advanced
3)Change System Defaults
4)Advanced
5)Select Your Monitor from the list
6)Close
7)Reopen to check if it is selected

EDITED COMMENT!

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

I cant do it Bondi because I dont have icm file I need to buy s cd-rom drive unlees nvidia have one on their website. But I have to if this work or not😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

This is getting silly.

Pls tell me the model of your monitor?

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

Rog swift pg278QR

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG278QR/HelpDesk_Download/

This doesn't work?

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

LOL bondi I already have downloaded multiframe and installed while ago but didnt knew what it was;D Can I find the file on my pc then?;)

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Seriously...

Bro, I am trying to help you as much as I can, but if you can't remember and manage such basic things how could I solve your problem....

Anyway, go to Device Manager and under Display check if there is "Generic Plug And Play Monitor" or listed as "Rog swift pg278QR". If it is generic monitor you need to install the driver.

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

He Im not much into those thing but I can play games I promise you;DDDDDD But under Display there is not a generic Plug and play monitor but standart plug and play monitor.. Is that the same or?;D

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Yep, same thing.
Install your driver and reboot. Then try the method I explained previously.

Bondi94 on 11 Sep 2017

But where do I find the driver?

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

I have the latest driver it says on nivida expirence

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

haha same. I think it doesnt affect me at all because i dont have a monitor
driver. Just a generic one. Bondi94 maybe you are using xl2411z by any
chance?

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julius2k on 11 Sep 2017

he maby thats why the shit lag happing then;DDDDDDDDD

Everlastingbulletlag on 11 Sep 2017

Omg guys....

Julius, it is impossible not having a driver...
You don't have an installation CD probably, but you certainly should have an INF file for your monitor...
You should find the INF file for your monitor, go under Display, update driver, let me choose from a list, disk driver and from there indicate the folder which contains the inf file.

Evarlasting, I posted the link for your driver. I sincerely do not know what more can I do. To be frank if you lived near by me I'd gladly come to your house to help you, but I cannot do anything more than that. Maybe you should contact some tech support which would guide you step by step on how to setup your system. Contact asus support for help.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

And btw even with a generic monitor you should still be able to create a custom profile. Everlasting posted a great link, it'd be useful to read them from time to time.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

Bondi I just tryed to manualy update the driver inside device manager> display and go to the all folder inside multiframe and it told me all the time the newest driver was installed. But many of my freinds can help so I try to contact them tommorow and let you know if it work:-) I know Im a little noob in this but see me play 1 day;DDDDD

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Ok, I sincerely hope YOU and all the rest can solve this and enjoy the game once again.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

Thank very much for trying Bondi.. Im so happy that some at least try even though if the fix is real or not. I could be the wildest news in steam history if this is fixed cos so many if it. Alot of people dont even know they have it but if this solve it it must the greatest new even in alot of treads. I have seen alot more players complain about it now and atually I also see plyaers in other games also telling about recoil lag ect. I hope so much I try tommorow as I told you to get it done.. Sleep well;)

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Do you have no lag at all now?;_)))

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Yes, my game is super smooth. I can make videos if necessary. No problem at all.
You should say what resolution you want me to make the video in.
But I'll need a week atleast cause I wann change my hard drive cause this is too small for what I need. Now that I solved my favourite Counter-Strike I can start loading my PC with tons of shits. No more worries anymore.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

There are many curious things I can report on.
For example, now, when I kill opponents there is a lot more blood coming out of their heads and bodies. Funny.

Also, if anybody wants to suggest me a good program for video making I'd be thankful. I should learn first how to convert .dem files into video formats.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

Okay nice buddy😉😉😉 I hope to fix my games also so I make a video and a twitch account to show the world gameplay they never seen before😂 Hs hs hs hs like 100-0 on deadmatch servers showing 100-0 score without clipping in the movie😂 Like I said Im noob in pc but pcgamming I will shock the world and proplayers without a doubt🤣😉😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Btw Bondi Im so happy on your behalf that you can play the game as it shoukd be. So many years with lag is gone congrats from me to you😊

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

And you sound ingame have also changed you hear fotsteps much better and recoil is not dansing like a popstar😂😂

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Video ingame I use bandicam but I know many also uses fraps

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Yeah bro, thank you. I've waited this moment for too long...believe me...

Now I can start playing CS:GO, Quake and other FPS games. I didn't want to move on until I fix my system. Now that is fixed I can go onto something else. I'd like to create a Youtube channel dedicated to the craziest FPS players on the planet. Maybe you could be on my channel soon who knows...

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

With bandicam I record first trough console (makeing a demo) and then recording the demo with bandicam. It works great😉 But maby there are a betterway I dont know he..

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Yeah, I will be analazying in the near future ways to convert demo files in high resolution video formats. Will have a nice ride learning new stuff, but I am excited but most importantly I am calm now.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

He you are welcome my freind and I know axactly what you and all others have been going trough.. it like a miracle when the shit lag goes away I can imagine😉

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

Yes I can show you how to make demoes if its and lets all make a ownageclan to pro players toating their asses not for takeing this serious😂 They think they are the best but they are not I prommise you😉😉🤣🤗

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

But listen if I solve my lag with your fix then I promissed to give a g900 logitec gamong mouse I keep my promise if I get it working🤗

Everlastingbulletlag on 12 Sep 2017

If you wanna record the smooth of your games buy a internal Camera to record bios or desktop

Avoid any software because any-screen record software, will not show the (smooth or lag)

Instead grab your phones and record, thats more realistic thought
Even if most Phones record at 30 fps its way better.

CloudHaze on 12 Sep 2017

You keep mentioning the term "lag", which is something very generic nowadays. My problem was not "lag" in the traditional sense. Ie delay...it was more complicated than that. It was frame skipping. You know when you don't even have the time to react to some opponent? Or when I shoot but my bullets didn't go where I shot at. It felt like my game was out of sync with my movement or actions/reactions. Lag is not the appropriate term for that. Maybe you could call it "internal lag" if that makes any sense. But when you say lag many would think you talk about slow internet. This is just a suggestion from me, if you explain that to someone and tell him you got "lag" he might misinterpret what you mean.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

CloudHaze, I will study the best way to portay my game as accurate as it can.
I actually don't even have a new generation phone (yeah I'm traditionalist, that's why maybe I still play cs1.6).
But my priority right now is to replace my 60gb HDD with 1TB. I will need it for a lot of video content and other hobbies I got besides gaming. As soon as my new HDD arrives, I'll install it and then find a way to record videos for all of you who are interested.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

When i talk about lag i'm not talking about (your internet latency or ping in games) hell no hehe

I'm referring to: The Visual Lag <-- that screenplay generated, also that Input lag with your mouse, those movement feeling of the mouse is like Ghosting, like with slow-framerate, that you can actually tell

That something is not good. those visual lag, that you feel that you are playing in 100-200 fps but is like 60 fps.. thats i call Lag<-- but im using lag here to short things.

CloudHaze on 12 Sep 2017

Yeah, nowadays "lag" is used for many things. But I was replying to Everlasting. However Cloud, thank you for the suggestion.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

Game is smoother with Bondi94's fix but it feels so smooth it feels wrong haha, so weird.

djdallmann on 12 Sep 2017

hahahaha, that is a really nice way to put it. That is the beginning bro, from there you should check what other things to change in order to get the smoothest experience possible.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

Btw guys right now I am experimenting with both UEFI and Legacy boot options and UEFI seems to be having the edge. But I will report back for a final thought on the issue.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

Guys u are getting trolled hard. This "FIX" did nothing. Dude just enjoy your smooth game and leave this topic, we dont care about your experiments, it was already tested UEFI vs LEGACY.

PS. I tested "fix" myself.

venhyy on 12 Sep 2017

@Bondi94 that (more bleed coming from models it is because of)

Gl_Spriteblend 1-0
also the vblood cvars. double check that.

CloudHaze on 12 Sep 2017

vehny, stop talking on behalf all the people reading this.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

ok, may I ask then how its possible fix laptop this way?

venhyy on 12 Sep 2017

Amazing work Bondi, thanks. I get my old monitor which has driver, install it and apply color management. CS 1.6 and CS:GO hell so smooth and responsive. Sadly my IPS monitor doesnt have driver, so I will get another monitor, hope this would stay amazing as now.
@julius2k xl2411z definetly has a driver, look on website.

xenitron on 12 Sep 2017

This is great news xenitron.

But don't rush buying a new monitor. First I'd advice you to understand how Colour Managment works in depth and how it influences your monitor. Don't rush.

And btw, another important factor which affects quite heaviliy the performance of our system is the "Boot Option". In my Gigabyte motherboard I have 3 options to choose from "Legacy, UEFI or Do Not Launch".

Do Not Launch is definitely the one that works best for me.

Check in your bios if you have such option and see for yourselves.

Bondi94 on 12 Sep 2017

Well you see, this is circuit breaker, where all home appliances and computer are connected
That big circle red, that i put on that 20 volt breaker, there is where i have connected my Computer
But sadly today i notice that, when turning on/off that first breaker showed in the image, I notice that

My home appliances were attached so bad to that breaker where im using my pc o.O
Like Fridge+Freezer+Air Conditioner portable+ cold water machine+ 2 big Tv o.O
Anyway i have a friend from Mexico to actually he fix hes problem by putting new Breakers and by isolating computers from home appliance, also by grounding his outlets, now hes doing so amazing

8787

Sadly i dont have money to remplace that circuit breaker , neither the ground connection x.x but i can tell that when my mom buy that Air-conditioner, every night pc gets more slow at least in visual lag results, etc etc.

CloudHaze on 13 Sep 2017

peoples must have done IQ test, before have permit to post here, accepted IQ level must be more than 30.

it's do not electricity problem - because problem is present on NOTEBOOK, notebook used battery power (DC power), IDEAL power solution.
it's do not bios or hardware problem, "PRO" do not change BIOS or HARDWARE on championship, and always have gameplay without any artefacts.
it's do not any "magic" operation system or driver settings, problem is present in any OS, like windows, linux, MAC os.
it's do not related to any network problem. problem is present in "lan connection", 1GBits connection between server/clients.

summary. please do not be dambass, "problem" is specially was presented in game by VALVE. I relaxed and waiting while peoples understand this, and only in this moment we will have chance to change something.

victor910 on 13 Sep 2017

1 - if you still don't realize this is not a Valve problem, you are the one with low IQ here. The smoothness problem occur with all kind of applications. You must be too dumb to not perceive such obvious thing.

2 - Batteries are not the cleanest source of power. Also they must be charged with clean power to improve their output power. Rely on battery as a source of clean power is the worst thing you can do.

3 - Yes, it is an electric issue for sure. But you will not be able to fix with cheap power line filter. Also this is a motherboard issue too, because they don't have a decent power filter to feed the master clock.

TLTR: dirty power + bad master clock = bad timming on operational system and instability.

xxxMarioxxx on 14 Sep 2017

2 - Batteries are not the cleanest source of power. Also they must be charged with clean power to improve their output power. Rely on battery as a source of clean power is the worst thing you can do.

you make my day. thanks a lot.

FYI:
every "inside" components of computer use DC power.
power supply convert AC to DC before forward electricity to computer components
battery do not converted AC to DC, because have "DC" inside and of of course this better than any AC source.
you understand this if using Oscilloscope for checking "quality" of power and what is exactly DC source vs converted AC to DC source.
i predicted you dont know how to you oscilloscope, because you do not writed stupid things like upper, if know how to used. please try to found someone who showing what exactly going on with "power" on oscilloscope screen.

it's sad, but today education system is bad, we was know about this at 5 class school time.

victor910 on 14 Sep 2017

You are assuming that DC power is clean by itself, and it's not. The problem is much more complex than you think. Batteries have chemicals reactions inside that add a lot of noise in the output power. Thats why audiophiles don't use battery to feed their DACs, because a clean AC power converted by a analog power supply is much smoother.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Typical arrogant college student.

xxxMarioxxx on 14 Sep 2017

Victor910 you are clearly an ignorant, it is well know that Power supply converts AC to DC That's for sure

But guess what nerdy, the Amperage/watts Is not the same to good volts read on your PSU!
Sharing home-appliance amp to your PSU can affect in many levels. the way it process/conver the AC/DC.

Before calling someone IQ 30, watch yourself in a Mirror. You dumb-ass.

CloudHaze on 14 Sep 2017

And by the way, this problems is GLOBAL it is happening in DESKTOP too! and certain games.

Is not only about CS 1.6

You say oh may god, is not an electricity issue, you clearly a college student, because (RFI) radio frequency come in hand with (ELECTRICITY) RMI/EMI.
BIG CITIES= HIGH RFI and affects so bad LAPTOPS.

CloudHaze on 14 Sep 2017

Kids, try to using oscillator first, after this I will ready speaking about cemhical in battery , rofl.
Whatts calculate from ampers and voltage
Whatts = ampers x voltage.

And , peoples do not use battery in hiend, because hi end system alway include amplifier "A Class". This amp used a lot of power, but this another store.
Stop listing dambas , try to using proffessional tested equipment, like oscilloscope, and you will understand more how this working.

victor910 on 14 Sep 2017

Well if you have an Oscilloscope why you don't test your Outlets where you plug/coonect your power-cables of your pc? and take a photo of how is the frequency-jittering showed in your Oscilloscope display? i'm very curious. do the test :)

And don't be arrogant by saying: Oh no i don't need to prove you anything, because that would be so SELFISH

CloudHaze on 14 Sep 2017

jitter in my power outlet??????
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
for me is enough this circus.
ignore.

victor910 on 14 Sep 2017

Do you know Jitter<- has an universal meaning right? in devices/electricity, internet, OVERALL

Which means that, when there is jittering there is (NOISE) and yeah electricity has jittering or has different meanings like EMI, but jittering is a good concept too

Mr Victor910 arrogant :)

Stop using wikipedia thanks.

CloudHaze on 14 Sep 2017

I finish school when internet do not was present.
Wiki for you my little friend.
Gl with jitter in battery power, don't try trolling me more please, it's bored.

victor910 on 14 Sep 2017

Victor910 take a look of your old comment up, and stop acting like a Grown man, if you are so smart like you describe yourself by saying 30 IQ and silly stuff like that, why you are here?

Please do us a favor, and abandon the Ship, thanks

CloudHaze on 14 Sep 2017

@Bondi94

Im struggeling to get it fixed, my monitor driver wont work.
And in colour management, i choose my monitor, but it goes to FAX afterwards...

Btw, does it still work for you?

nikooz on 18 Sep 2017

of course no. lol.

victor910 on 19 Sep 2017

hahahaha, I am literally laughing like a little cretin ; D

So after you changed all you're hardware, you called your electrician and you still don't solve it what you gotta do? Well, the only thing to change is the case ; D if that doesn't work you need to keep buying new stuff.....come on guys you can make it hahahahahahaha

TheHopeDiesForLast on 19 Sep 2017

You are little cretin, I do not make any stupid recommendations from this discussion.

victor910 on 19 Sep 2017

Haha the Troll is back still full of nothing😂 Thehope.. you dont know how to solve it. You havent made even 1 usefull fix. Software or isp is not a solve😂 Litterly you havent fixed your game. But btw if you even solved it you wouldnt post it cos you know I would shot you every single time even though Im new in cs, css, csgo. I would make you look æike a noob even if you had 3000h times playing😂😂😂😋😋😋😋