Deltachat-android: add a simple option to empty DeltaChat and/or INBOX on the server
the option will go to advanced/experimental and there should be a harsh warning.
@adbenitez o/
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@hpk42 @adbenitez this is how it looks currently - any suggestions to the wording or so? ;)
(when the dialog is opened, both checkmarks are always disabled, so, for deletion, taping the check and the delete-button is needed)
r10s
on 22 Jun 2019
Will the first option really delete ALL messages in the inbox or just chat messages?
Delete ALL messages is really risky I believe.
Maybe users could think DC has a own inbox, but would lost all regular mails not only DC mails.
You know what I mean?!
webratte
on 22 Jun 2019
it really deletes all messages. it is mainly to help users that have very restricted quota.
but yes, maybe we should point that out, I'll do a pr.
r10s
on 23 Jun 2019
r10s
on 23 Jun 2019
I'm not sure about that.
I believe DC should never touch the inbox.
Regular E mails should only deleted by regular E mails because this E mails are not visible in DC.
And probably user will still not know also invisible mails will be deleted.
I think it's really risky to annoy non tech users this way.
One wrong click and my inbox is cleared. Even of invisible E mails.
You should this discuss again.
webratte
on 23 Jun 2019
And another scenario:
A user check his regular E mails only one time per week by a desktop client (e.g. Thunderbird) and has no mobil client on his phone.
I know people who do that this way 馃槈
Now he got a few mails in this time.
He will not know that there are new mails.
But DC will still delete this unreaded mails by using your new function.
Very risky as I said before.
webratte
on 23 Jun 2019
what would be your concrete suggestions here? as said, the function as such _is_ needed by many users. if their server is full, they cannot receive or sent any message which seems to be even worse.
however, we can point it out, that the messages may not even be read.
maybe even "empty server folders" sounds too harmless. maybe the title should read "Delete all data from server" instead.
any ideas welcome :)
r10s
on 23 Jun 2019
Regular E mails should only deleted by regular E mails because this E mails are not visible in DC.
we can offer the "empty inbox" option only if "show all emails" is enabled. I think this should make he function less dangerous.
r10s
on 23 Jun 2019
IMHO you should do nothing with the inbox.
Regular Mails will be under control of the user.
You should only work with the DC folder.
You could suggest: if the space is still rare to delete also regular mail by using a regular Mail client or the web interface.
If you still like delete regular mails be very carefully and use a big fat red warning 馃槈
webratte
on 23 Jun 2019
I totally agree, it is a dangerous option.
You could suggest: if the space is still rare to delete also regular mail by using a regular Mail client or the web interface.
well, might be that delta chat is the only client :)
and if the option "show all" is enabled, the non-chat-mails stuck in the inbox and are not moved to the DeltaChat folder.
however, with with the last commit, if the option "show all" is not enabled, the inbox-empty-option is not available.
r10s
on 23 Jun 2019
Yes, this way you can minimize the risk to delete wrong mails by accident.
But still you should keep an eye on:
https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-core/pull/595
It's a more user-friendly way to keep server space free 馃槈
webratte
on 24 Jun 2019
Let's wait for @adbenitez to comment on these options ...
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 01:12 -0700, webratte wrote:
Yes, this way you can minimize the risk to delete wrong mails by accident.
But still you should keep an eye on:
https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-core/pull/595It's a more user-friendly way to keep server space free 馃槈
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hpk42
on 24 Jun 2019
Sorry @webratte but the clear INBOX is really needed, if you or others don't want to use it, just don't ;)
Users with chat-only settings may find also useful to delete all the spam and unwanted messages they may have in their chat-email address, so maybe it should be there even if email interactions is set to chat-only, I think the wording is pretty clear if something says "delete ALL messages in inbox folder" seems pretty clear to me, also this is an experimental feature, we are just experimenting here, lets see what are the results, I am pretty sure the results will be good ;)
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
BTW @r10s this looks better than I was imagining it, great work!!! :)
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
one thing that could make the clear INBOX option less dangerous is to delete only messages not marked as "recent", so if the inbox has 100 messages and the recent property is 10, then only messages from 1 to 90 should be deleted
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
The only thing I say is, delete "non chat messages" is very risky.
I hope you remember my warning after the first bad rating of a non tech user who lost a very important mail by using this option 馃槣
webratte
on 24 Jun 2019
The only thing I say is, delete "non chat messages" is very risky. I hope you remember my warning after the first bad rating of a non tech user who lost a very important mail by using this option stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye
hahahaha, if a dummy user go to the advanced menu and use an experimental option that says to delete ALL messages from their INBOX, well I think it is his fault.
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
as suggested by since_ on the irc channel, maybe it is better to use the word "emails" instead of messages:
"Delete ALL emails in Inbox Folder"
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
I think the plan is to make the experimental things sometimes a standard feature.
Isn't it?
Of course, while it's experimental it's no problem.
webratte
on 24 Jun 2019
in a future maybe we can have a more complex functionality like the auto-remove feature based on time
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
while we are talking here some mailboxes are blowing up, and I must say that when you have your inbox full you lost all messages people send to you while it is full, so it is equally dangerous or worse, not to have this option anyway...
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
indeed, this option is a temporary measure until automatic removals aka #595 arrive.
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while we are talking here some mailboxes are blowing up, and I must say that when you have your inbox full you lost all messages people send to you while it is full, so it is equally dangerous or worse, not to have this option right now...
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hpk42
on 24 Jun 2019
In this case...馃憤
But still be carefully.
webratte
on 24 Jun 2019
Is it worth mentioning that this effects multi-device synchronization?
Better make sure to have all devices connected to the server once, right before the delete ...
however, with with the last commit, if the option "show all" is not enabled, the inbox-empty-option is not available.
This is an indicator, but not 100% bullet proof :) The user might have switched back and forth in the past.
Ampli-fier
on 24 Jun 2019
@hpk42 Did you link the right issue?
595 seems to be wrong...
webratte
on 24 Jun 2019
@webratte, he was talking about https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-core/pull/595 on the core repo
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
@adbenitez
Thank you.
Now it's clear. And the link was really wrong.
webratte
on 24 Jun 2019
yes he replied from email with #595 and github had inserted a link to an issue with that number in this repo
adbenitez
on 24 Jun 2019
sorry for wrong link and thanks @adbenitez for correcting -- i confused repos ...
maybe i could use https://github.com/rhysd/github-complete.vim or so to better avoid
these kinds of errors.
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yes he replied from email with
#595and github had inserted a link to an issue with that number in this repo
yes, sorry
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hpk42
on 25 Jun 2019
Users with chat-only settings may find also useful to delete all the spam and unwanted messages they may have in their chat-email address,
okay, I think I'll revert the last commit that disallows emptying the inbox only if "show all" is selected. ux wise, this is also hard to explain and may lead to users changing options temporary.
I'll also change the wording to delete "ALL e-mails" to make things even clearer. maybe I'll add DANGER ZONE or so to the title :)
r10s
on 25 Jun 2019
added a new screenshot at https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-android/pull/967#issuecomment-505466217
r10s
on 25 Jun 2019
I think it look REALLY explicit and dangerous now ;) so there shouldn't be any problems +1
adbenitez
on 25 Jun 2019
@r10s great solution 馃憤
webratte
on 25 Jun 2019
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indeed, this option is a temporary measure until automatic removals aka #595 arrive.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 07:34 -0700, Asiel D铆az Ben铆tez wrote: