Normal users don't know what Ephemeral mode means (nor should they) and the help text is not helping.
What is a PVC ?
Suggestion:
Call it something like Temporary Storage or Persistent Disk Volume or something that at least gives a normal human a chance to guess what that toggle is about.
maxandersen
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Proposed toggle title: Temporary Storage,
Message for pop-up: Temporary Storage allows containers to share volumes but they are not persisted (all the data will be lost after workspace restart)
If someone has any suggestions/remarks - p.lease comment here
sleshchenko
on 20 Jan 2020
@maxandersen WDYT ^ ?
ibuziuk
on 20 Jan 2020
Muuch better :)
btw. another thing that i'm not sure if this tooltip is the right place for - it seems with temporary storage you also end up with less space than with a persistent one...like a basic gradle build like jbang can't run on temporary storage but it can when not chosen.
maxandersen
on 20 Jan 2020
it seems with temporary storage you also end up with less space than with a persistent one.
yeah, good point but storage size for ephemeral is a separate issue that requires more investigation. I believe for the next release we can start with just improving the naming / tooltip
ibuziuk
on 20 Jan 2020
Agreed @ibuziuk just not sure where to report this "quirk" that I assume is very deployment specific. if you can let me know I'll open issue for it.
maxandersen
on 20 Jan 2020
@maxandersen this one is cluster / config specific, so please open it against https://github.com/redhat-developer/rh-che/issues
ibuziuk
on 20 Jan 2020
Can we say something in the tool tip about why they would keep it turned on? If we just say their data will be lost, will users turn it off? What about something with a positive spin like this (guessing here as to why they may want to keep it on):
Temporary Storage [toggle control here]
Tooltip: Temporary Storage allows for faster I/O but is not persistent. All data will be lost after the workspace restarts.
beaumorley
on 20 Jan 2020
What about?
Temporary Storage allows for faster I/O but has limited storage and is not persistent.
beaumorley
on 23 Jan 2020
I think the limited storage is very much dependent on the underlying cluster configuration so it would not be true in all installations.
That鈥檚 at least how I understand the current situation.
maxandersen
on 23 Jan 2020
Hmm. Is this too complicated for a tooltip? Is it accurate?
Temporary Storage allows for faster I/O. It may have limited storage for certain configurations and is not persistent.
I feel like the original second sentence (All data will be lost after the workspace restarts.) is redundant. So I suggest removing that and expanding on Max's pain point.
beaumorley
on 23 Jan 2020
Here are some mockups of how the updated ephemeral toggle might look. For the existing UI, change the label and the tooltip copy. This will need to be done on the New Workspace screen and the Workspace > Overview screen. Like this:
For the new getting started page, I recommend do something like this:
- Move search control to the left
- Put the toggle next to the number of items
beaumorley
on 23 Jan 2020
New wording on Create Workspace and Workspace Details are already addressed in https://github.com/eclipse/che/pull/15818
There is a separate issue to introduce Temporary Storage on Get Started page https://github.com/eclipse/che/issues/15855
sleshchenko
on 28 Jan 2020
Can we have a clarification on what is the use case for it? When do we need to toggle it on? It still doesn't really clarify.
SDAdham
on 5 Mar 2020
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Proposed toggle title:
Temporary Storage,Message for pop-up:
Temporary Storage allows containers to share volumes but they are not persisted (all the data will be lost after workspace restart)If someone has any suggestions/remarks - p.lease comment here