Arctos: CETAF ISTC Stable Identifier Initiative

[Jegelewicz]

Just came across this in a Twitter discussion and thought we should be aware (maybe we are and I just don't know it). Anyway, for future reference:

CETAF ISTC Stable Identifier Initiative

[dustymc]

identified by stable HTTP-URIs that will never change.
The URI Syntax for the objects is chosen and maintained by the institution

The Internet doesn't work that way!

http://herbarium.bgbm.org/object/B100277113 can in fact be a stable identifier.

Someone can in fact buy http://bgbm.org/ 5 seconds after they forget to pay their bill and redirect it (along with all pages and subdomains) to advertisements for trashcan lids. The identifier is fine, the HTTP-URI not so much.

We will almost certainly stop using the http protocol sometime this side of "never."

Things like DOI are essentially attempts to mitigate those facts. (And some DOIs - like those issued by CrossRef - have some extra magic built in, but that's just icing.)

The good news is, Arctos has apparently been a Level 3 CETAF-thingee for a decade or so.

[campmlc]

It was reinforced to me at this iDigBio conference by several people that
we absolutely need to have a "we are Arctos, this is how we do things"
paper out as soon as possible. They need to cite us, and until we publish
we can present posters forever and no one will believe us.

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identified by stable HTTP-URIs that will never change.
The URI Syntax for the objects is chosen and maintained by the institution

The Internet doesn't work that way!

http://herbarium.bgbm.org/object/B100277113 can in fact be a stable
identifier.

Someone can in fact buy http://bgbm.org/ 5 seconds after they forget to
pay their bill and redirect it (along with all pages and subdomains) to
advertisements for trashcan lids. The identifier is fine, the HTTP-URI not
so much.

We will almost certainly stop using the http protocol sometime this side
of "never."

Things like DOI are essentially attempts to mitigate those facts. (And
some DOIs - like those issued by CrossRef - have some extra magic built in,
but that's just icing.)

The good news is, Arctos has apparently been a Level 3 CETAF-thingee for a
decade or so.

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Where - where do we publish?

[campmlc]

Biodiversity Data Journal https://bdj.pensoft.net/

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[Jegelewicz]

OK, I'll start writing in my massive amounts of free time!

[campmlc]

Also, Symbiota published somewhere - find that journal.

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Biodiversity Data Journal https://bdj.pensoft.net/

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[campmlc]

I think we just get the grant in and then start modifying it for the paper.

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Also, Symbiota published somewhere - find that journal.

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Biodiversity Data Journal https://bdj.pensoft.net/

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[dustymc]

There's been talk of an Arctos publication for many years - https://github.com/ArctosDB/arctos/issues/1463 is perhaps the latest.

I don't know how we effectively communicate what Arctos is, but a LOT of the content of most any conference is people planning to do things that Arctos has been doing forever. It would be pretty awesome to (1) get some recognition for that, and (2) have those people working on something awesome that we haven't already solved (and which Arctos will almost certainly be able to plug into).

[Jegelewicz]

Sheesh - that issue was started almost 2 years ago! What we need is a two day retreat to JUST WRITE THE DAMN THING!

[dustymc]

The last "Arctos retreat" was certainly a useful event.