Ace3: Request for clarification on Steam uploads

[morgoth0]

Hi guys,
I was wanting to upload a version of ACE3 with certain PBOs removed in order to fully integrate ACE3 into the ARMA3 Epoch mod. It has been brought to my attention by folks on the ARMA discord's IP Violations channel that this is forbidden.

I was wondering whether that was the case? All I was doing was what I thought your license allowed, in preserving all file contents apart from the two or three PBOs (fatigue, repair and refuel) that are incompatible with the Epoch mod.

Thanks for the great mod,
Cheers,
Grahame.

[sargken]

Why dont you just disable the functionality of the pbos, using the ace settings and put that on ur server so people connecting dont have to download a specialized ace

[morgoth0]

Unfortunately those particular PBOs cannot afaik be disabled. For example, disabling advanced fatigue in CBA and adding this code to init.sqf in the mission:

if (!isDedicated && hasInterface) then {
waitUntil{vehicle player == player};
waituntil{!isnull (finddisplay 46)};
waitUntil{alive vehicle player};
waitUntil{typeOF player != "VirtualMan_EPOCH"};
player enableStamina false;
player setCustomAimCoef 0.5;
};

still leaves default ARMA3 stamina in use. The refuel and repair CBA entries have no means to disable them completely just change their values

[morgoth0]

With the above code in init.sqf and without the fatigue PBO all works as intended.

Believe me, I would love to just run vanilla

[Drofseh]

https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/blob/master/LICENSE#L17-L27

[morgoth0]

If you check the ARMA discord's IP Violations channel I actually posted the same thing. I was told by the Bohemia mod in response to that section of the license that:
"@Grahame Where in there does it specifically state “we allow any user to reupload this content to the Steam Workshop”? A lack of specificity does not necessarily grant rights."

I said:
"you are granted the right to redistribute any combination of the .pbo-files of the finished product"?
And "When publishing a derivative of this product"

BI mod -FM- said:
"If you are correct and they DO allow SW reuploads, they should make written reference to that."

With all the quite rightful stuff happening re: mods and monetized servers (which mine are not) I can understand this. But my dev work on Epoch and ACE3 is shut down until I get this clarified... Sucks!

Cheers,
Grahame

[jonpas]

You can re-upload (license is a written reference) to SW all you want, as long as you clearly mark your upload as "unofficial". :)

[dedmen]

You can re-upload (license is a written reference) to SW all you want, as long as you clearly mark your upload as "unofficial". :)

Yes. The ACE team generally allows it. But Steam still doesn't
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/

In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

Meaning. You can only upload stuff that

• You made completely by yourself
• Was made by yourself and others. And all others gave you permission to reupload it.

As long as you are not a contributor to ACE none of these apply to you. Which means you cannot reupload it according to Steam.

I don't know if

you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors

Requires permission by all contributors or if the license is enough. Getting permission from every contributor is impossible I'd say.

Also

You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B.

Do you have enough rights on ACE that you can just let others put some different licenses onto it?

[commy2]

Just here to say Steam is shit. Carry on.

[jonpas]

Question answered or not?

[morgoth0]

Oh yes. My apologies, I should have and will close the issue. Thanks again