Zeronet: Non stop 24/7 ZeroNet free seed server download system idea

[mx5kevin]

*Why*

-MORE ZERONET USERS AND ZITE ADMINISTRATORS.AND MORE QUALITY ZITES!

-ZeroNet and similar platforms have a big problem.Especially large files and contents are many times are not avaiable.Or not immediately available. Users can't wait for this.And website owners goes elsewhere.

-We can make a NON STOP FREE auto seed system.We have the techology.

-ZeroNet have problems with large file sharing. Lot of large files are dead or low seeded.

-The sytem will be more resistence for censorship.The site and file owners get more protection.Users get more bandwidth.

-Site and file owners can reducte the server costs. The are no case it goes unnecessarily the server. Only whaste electricity without useful uploading.

-Countries where ZeroNet are blocked there would be more chance this way to get the files.
The idea

If the site or file owner can upload the content automaticaly to another user without waiting for a downloader.If the file have only one seeder.Site or file owner can save electricity cost. And we can make a guarantated 24/7 seed for every file.

Example we make a storage in a seperated folder in every ZeroNet client where the site or file owners can upload files to another users compjuter.Users who allow this option are get extra bandwidht from this storage.From every uploaded amount of data the user get the same Byte,MB,GB back wehen the user want download a single file.This option the site or file ownwrs are free.From another users are get extra bandwith and save time. If the user allow bigger disk space. She get faster more amount of data access from uploaded files.

*How its works*

*The users*

This is an allowable feature!

The zites and files are downloaded the same way from the uploader machine interaction automatically but seperated place (folder and in the client) from the another user (seed server) copjuter.

Example credit minnig zites in seperated. Everything looks the same whay if the user download a file or zite. Only this is get a distinctive sign.And the files and zites are downloaded a seperated folder.

The user get from every uploaded data extra Byte,MB,GB (coins) from this storage.What he get back from this storage when he download files.

If the user allow too to daily automatic way upload files too she get more faster extra Byte,MB,GB (coins).

From users the are two single button (Allow credit minning).And another button what allow auto upload If the file have only one seeder.Or not have 2.0 ratio.For much more extra and faster (file coins).

*The site and file owners*

This is an allowable feature to site and file owners too!

From the site or file owners in ZeroHello files menu/Files where are the ratio and zite name.And seperated the optional files we make a simple option.If the file have only one seeder.Or not have 2.0 ratio.The file are start autamatic way upload in the system.
If the file owner (not the zite owner) upload a file from another user zite.She can enable this function with the current file.

If a site owner have a veary large zite where another users upload large data.Optional large files can uploaded to another users. Example ZeroUp.So zites what allow from another users and not just the zite owner to upload files.It is possible to set up a limit.

[imachug]

I don't really like the idea. First, most people will disable this feature because they most likely don't want to seed illegal content. Second, why should this feature be in the ZeroNet core? A simple site would work. And, third, we have this site already - it's ZeroUp. You can make ZeroNet download all the files (via sidebar), and then it's no different from your idea.

[mx5kevin]

I don't really like the idea. First, most people will disable this feature because they most likely don't want to seed illegal content. Second, why should this feature be in the ZeroNet core? A simple site would work. And, third, we have this site already - it's ZeroUp. You can make ZeroNet download all the files (via sidebar), and then it's no different from your idea.

-You currently can not start a upload in a distributed storage. (Or any upload in the system if nobody download the file) and only you the only seeder.To keep alive the file.

-Users want fast the files.Want some stable download speed.

-Website owners want keep alive them.

-Nobody want to see lot of dead optional files.If users see this,they go elsewhere,where quickly fast get all files.To solve this problem we need more seed what default way the users and site owners can give us currently.Currently at unknown intervals seeded files we get few downloaders most of the files on ZeroNet.

A stable storage what keep alive the files until they are deleted feasible.We currently have all technology to make this! Users want to see a working system.And not dead files everywhere.With this idea we can store the files for long time.So the files would be available years later.Until the owner all delete it.Same way as currently working on clearnet.

[imachug]

We can store the files where? On users' computers? Then how is it different from making the computer download all optional files which is supported already?

[mx5kevin]

We can store the files _where_? On users' computers? Then how is it different from making the computer download all optional files which is supported already?

Dead HTML 5 players and files everywhere with the existing setup.They don't encourage anyone to be more serious invest to ZeroNet zites.Availability of files and contents with the current setup are highly limited.And this can only be solved with extra seeders.

De difference

The publishers can upload and can make extra seed, bandwidth without waiting for sombody who download the file.And reduce the servers electricity costs.Can make useful uploads,share the content without wasting for energy and lot of time to wait a user.The visitos get faster highter download speed.Get much more faster the files.The files get much more health in the system.Zites like ZroUp,KopyKate are too large to store all files the usrers.In this zites users can store only some files but not all!Without a extra shared storage its not possible to give more health the files in the system.Users will not wait to ZeroNet If that they get fast the files in clearnet or another service.Web developers and website owners they go elsewhere where 24/7 online what they share.And this is need more seed than a simple uploader and downloader system.With uploads in a shared storage if the publisher the only seeder.Can minimum triple the files health, bandwidth.And a easy way to make all files 24/7 avaible and even online forever in the system until the owner are delete it! And this is much more business for web developers and website administrators and users too!

[imachug]

And this can only be solved with extra seeders.

Okay. Then, are you recommending to add more seeders? Where would you find them? I really don't see the point.

[mx5kevin]

And this can only be solved with extra seeders.

Okay. Then, are you recommending to add more seeders? Where would you find them? I really don't see the point.

The idea are simple.Site or file owners can upload zites and optional files in a shared strorage what operated the ZeroNet Users.From this the users get back the seeded data when download a single file from this strorage.The difference currently the user download the zite and optional files.With this setup the zite and file owners can upload automatic way files and zites to another users compjuter.When a file seed only 1 user or the file ratio are under 2.0 the file upload from the owners mashine are automatic way started.This keep every files gaurantated more than 1 seeder.More uploads in the system give extra seed.Available on request the owners (or users) can set up/file or zite a highter seed limit 2,3,4 or more for more upload (or more file coins).Disk space is unlimited and not a problem.With this setup there is not limited the data and bandwidth,uptime which could not be provided by a publisher cheap and easy way.

Users can controll the content because zites and files are downloaded the same way.But a seperated folder and credit minning sign.With a more extra function if a user allow to the auto upload.Not just the simple download the user get more and faster Byte,MB,GB (coins) from this storage.This way with minimal of us of resources we can kepp the files zites online.Similar setup use Freenet,Safe Network where the files are uploaded to another users compjuter.Freenet are a stable network what working a similar existing setup.This combinated with the existing zeronet protocoll are triple the health of files.And possible to make all files 24/7 seeded. This is a existing working setup what currently use similar programs like Freenet,Safe Network,maybe I2P. The idea can be expanded see Tribler what use a similar protocoll like TOR .And a credit minning system. For competing similar softwares this is a working system .And a siple way to multiply minimum 3X or highter stability,bandwidth,uptime.Large zites like KopyKate ZeroUp can strore part of optional files with this setup.So we can make large stable services like the original Google YouTube.Where particularly important to the users can play video files fast with stable download speed.And there is no time to wait hours or days for a video.Or lots of dead liks try to use where nothing can ever be downloaded.

[April93]

>change the entire structure of zeronet to add in cryptocurrency and forcefully putting files on peoples' computer without their consent

lolno

[mx5kevin]

change the entire structure of zeronet to add in cryptocurrency and forcefully putting files on peoples' computer without their consent

lolno

I didn't say anything like that. I talked a primary storage what keep the files online. And using the existing setup. What storing the whole file or file picees. If Feenet Maidsafe users are working a similar setup. I don't understand why it wouldn't be good here. When it's good on other platforms. This be done safely the similar setups. Most users can not run a server 24/7. And if users see it is not working the system. They go somewhere else where they store their contents, files without problems. And don't have to wait for nothing to download a content. The software developers no other decentralized solution has been found yet. See the similar decentralized projects. With the zeronet existing plugin system i'ts can be done. And those who are problem this, can disable the feature. Nobody talking about forcefully putting files on peoples' computer without their consent.

[imachug]

Well it doesn't work well on other networks as well, look at Freenet. I don't want to host illegal content that might accidentally be downloaded.

[mx5kevin]

Well it doesn't work well on other networks as well, look at Freenet. I don't want to host illegal content that might accidentally be downloaded.

This is not an unsolvable problem. Lot of projects are working on this. If it wasn't a big opportunity, then not many people would work on it in serval projects. User can check and allow some contents if the system download the complete file. So no illegal content is stored this way. Something simpler we can make using the existing setup. I2P, TOR, Freenet, technology protect the IP. And some of them encrypt the files. Some of this technologys are only store chunks in the users PC. Storj and many more modern decentralized storage techology are working this setup. Anothers working the same setup but using with the blockchain technology. And try to store the files in the blockchain. I do not think this big companies can not solve the problem that users can store this data securely. These services complety bullding to this technology. From ZeroNet missing a stable storage what keep the files online. Which is everywhere in the clearnet is a basic thing. It's a matter of time and they appear the first platforms what store the users files from paying disk space in a decentralized storage in the clearnet see (Maidsafe). Using a simle way if you give disk space, another users exchange keep too online your files frealy too. With this technology website administrators can run clearnet sites. And the users can visit them without special programs. If we combine it the existing ZeroNet protocoll, we get a powerful free decentralized 24/7 online web hosting service. Which is an competitive alternative to the existing paid shared web hosting services. I do not know any other decentralized alternative, which widely or otherwise working popular or non popular platforms. I2P, Freenet, Tor onion services, and ZeroNet are they are stuck in a small place. Neither is good to use them avarage users who want a real alternative from paid servers and 3rd part free services. And For serious investors this platforms absolute not ideal for un popular websites. ZeroNet may break out of this.

[krzysztof113]

It's complex and problematic.
For me it only make sense to Zeronet to support uploaded site files to clearnet hosting as a fallback.

[mx5kevin]

This can be a plugin.Users can allow and dissalow plugins.So if a zite or file owner or user need extra seed he could enable or disable it.This way the user could use,and the developers simple way to integrate newest different protocols and technologies.Behind one plugin several more protocols could be allowed what do the same thing but in a different way.So the user can use Freenet,MaidSafe,Storj, decentralized protocols which he can mine or buy storage with cryptocurrencies and protocols what not use this.This way we get multiple extra file storage ways,which would be good for everyone.And so the newest and best independent from each other technologies can use the users this way from extra file storage.I mean you enable or disable the blugin and theare you can enable or disable or add exrta file storage protocolls.So if you a PC user or a mobile user then there you can use or not use more file storage options.So the users needs and system properties can get the users better more premium access to the contents.

[mx5kevin]

An important technical thing,which users can store a lot of files without taking up space on they hard drive.And all data this way possible to store and keep online using serval copies.The method is simple,copy the files in the disk what only the ZeroNet client can read as existing data.And another programs and the OS can see them as data to be overwritten.Same as deleted files. So this way could use the full unused disk space.Here the data is slowly overwritten.This is an untapped resource.And it can we have been prevented if the user not seed the files,and doesn't delete them the uploader they should still stay online.The storage mechanism of the systems makes this possible on all devices.Where we have few disk space like mobile devices it is particularly effective there.Where we have many disk space,files are stored there very long.And don't be full of network broken file links.In principle,there is no obstacle if not the full file overwritten only part of it this parts seed the program.Files can encrypted,users are protected with TOR.In this would be many opportunities,which would be free for everyone who helps with this.And people can even make money see crypto mining,it would have money and business,and this opportunity would attract more people.

More about see in: https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2315

We should have a solution for zite links,and linked files too.Where data is unavailable for a long time (for example,a month) then the link should be automatically deleted.And only show up automatically when it is active again.Because this way more will be slowly dead link on the network what is working. And the network can be spammed even direct large quantities with dead links.