Web-frameworks: Migrate as an org

[waghanza]

Hi @tbrand,

Some services (which are in the marketplace) are more usable (due to github permissions) to use / enable on some group project.

For example, using https://dependabot.com (to manage dependency) COULD only be done either on my fork or on a group project.

Do you mind if I create a group in order to migrate this project ?

It will be very helpful for maintainers.

Regards,

[tbrand]

OK, I accept the migration.

[waghanza]

Then we have to find a name

For me, the main idea behind that performance battle :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: is some king of promotion, so name could be about that

[tbrand]

Specifically?

[waghanza]

late take some time to think about that ;-)

at least I would have some ideas in 2 days ;-)

@OvermindDL1 any ideas ?

[tbrand]

How about which-is/the-fastest? lol

[OvermindDL1]

Hah, I like @tbrand's suggestion, leaves it open for more repo's with more tests later too. ^.^

[waghanza]

So why not a more generalistic word like agon, then it could be agon/backend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agon

[waghanza]

@tbrand @OvermindDL1 why not
agon/actium
for this repository, but with a focus on performance for backend apps (web)

leaves open for other benchmarks with a focus on performance for fontend apps (node things ...) or why not asking @lukeed and @aichholzer to join this adventure :heart:

[tbrand]

@waghanza Sorry I can't agree the name.
For me, who don't have enolugh vocabulary, dont' understand what it means without googling.
which_is_the_fastest is verfy simple, understandable and catchy for every users on Github.
Even we drop the name of which_is_the_fastest, it have to be simple, understandable and catchy at least.

[waghanza]

@tbrand which_is_the_fastest is surely understandable, by whom have some technical skills
what I mean is that :

• fastest IS subjective (depending on use case) -> a telecommunication app and a web app are not considered fastest the same way
• is COULD be restraining for some people, according that anyone has enough knowledge to say that he has the solution

In short :

• agon mean battle in ancient greek
• actium as the name of decisive battle between greek and roman, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium

[tbrand]

I don't say we have to keep the name(which_is_the_fastest) but I just disagree with the suggestion.
So pointing out the wrongs of the name mean nothing here. (I would like to put which is the fastest on somewhere since I attached it personally. 😃)

How about naming org as which_is_the_fastest? Repository names are whatever you want.
Like which_is_the_fastest/web_server.

[OvermindDL1]

You might also want a which_is_the_highest_throughput or which_is_the_most_concurrent or something, that's why I like the which_is personally. Optimally I'd choose which, then you could make the name of each project better like which/http2_server_is_the_fastest and which/html5_client_is_the_fastest or so.

[tbrand]

Uh huh.

[waghanza]

like your shared ideas and the concern about non-executive word

I personally find which is a little bit too restraining for me

[tbrand]

That's already taken.

[waghanza]

I see, which and concern are already taken, we have to be imaginative

[OvermindDL1]

Purely an example name, just showing that more generic is better.

[tbrand]

I already took which-is and which-is-the-fastest org since they are candidates. which is not taken by me anyway.

@OvermindDL1 Specifically?

[OvermindDL1]

@OvermindDL1 Specifically?

Hmm? About what?

[aichholzer]

I have this organisation https://github.com/TheBenchmarker
Would be happy to grant you guys access to it so you can use it for this project. Trying to keep it nice and generic.

[waghanza]

@aichholzer Would be :heart: to collaborate. However, the name TheBenchmarker is making me feal uncomfortable.

For me the idea is to gather communities, by make one project for a transparent _competition_, using the suppose that we have the knowledge on what to do

@tbrand What do you think about strugglerr (struggle is already taken) ?

I think it is revealing what we want to do, some effort to reveal some unknown but great frameworks :tada:

It COULD also be struggler-io so as we can also take domain name

[tbrand]

strugglerr is not directory meaning the org I think. Then what is the repos will be?
We'll let people know what we are doing at there by org and repo name.
You might guess what I was doing on this repository which_is_the_fastest right?

[waghanza]

@tbrand in fact the idea behind creating an org, is also to create a community

The name struggler-io (to match a domain name stugglerr.io) will be to describe a community struggling for performance :stuck_out_tongue:

For us, web frameworks with a focus on backend

[aichholzer]

I fail to understand how TheBenchmarker can be uncomfortable. This project is about benchmarking something, in this case HTTP frameworks. I do not think this project has anything to do with performance struggles.

Why would I look at benchmarks if I am having problems with my performance?
And using your words; create a community -Yes, a community around creating good and trustworthy benchmarks.

Anyway...

[waghanza]

@aichholzer My suggestion was not about benchmarker, but about using the => for me the is too implying a supperior knowledge (very diffucult to be clear, so I hope you'd understand)
I like following the amber philosophy => https://github.com/amberframework/amber/blob/master/.github/AMBER_PHILOSOPHY.md

I follow your second point. The project is NOT about solving any performance issue ;-)

Yes, the decision will be long to take, but it's for the best :stuck_out_tongue:

[aichholzer]

To me The implies a reference, like the person who does benchmarks. When you are sick you go to The doctor, when your car is broken you go to The mechanic... When you need to get solid information about a benchmark, you go to The benchmarker.

Anyway, my two cents... Checking out.

[waghanza]

@aichholzer Personally, when I get sick, I go ot a doctor (at least any doctor available) :stuck_out_tongue:

[paulcsmith]

I think the repo name of “which_is_the_fastest” is super clear and effective. I think keeping it as-is is a great idea. For the org name, I’m not sure but I think TheBenchmarker makes a lot of sense

Sure “The” implies it’s the only one but I think people know that’s just a name and isn’t really the only benchmarker :)

[waghanza]

@aichholzer ok for the name of the group

We have then to choose the projet name

I suggest using a name related to backend

[tbrand]

I think the repo name of “which_is_the_fastest” is super clear and effective.

Agree. That's what I'm saying in this issue.
I could change the name but the next name have the same features.(super clear and effective)

[waghanza]

Sure.

@tbrand The purpose of migration is to enable external service

btw, it can be the same on personal repos (but will less services)

[aichholzer]

Did you guys want to use my org TheBenchmarker?
-I will make you all part of it.

[waghanza]

@aichholzer For me it is OK to choose a project name like TheBenchmarker/backend :heart: (as I am more skilled in backend things). I will be hapier :tada: if you can collaborate as you seems to be more skills in server-side frontend.

@tbrand Is it OK for you ?

[aichholzer]

@waghanza -No problem.
And no, I am not front-end. Not at all. I have been writing back-end services since 1998. I can do front-end, but I rather dislike it.

Let me know when to move forward and if you all agree, then I will add you all (the involved parties) to TheBenchmaker organisation.

[waghanza]

@aichholzer sorry for the mis-understanding, I just show a majority of javascript app on your repos

[aichholzer]

I get paid to write Node.js software, hence the mostly JS repos.
And no need to be sorry.

[waghanza]

@aichholzer interesting ... can I make a short cut by saying rayo will be used in production in your company ?

[aichholzer]

Rayo is already used in production at a couple of companies. ;)
⚡️

[tbrand]

Hi all! Thanks for the many suggestions and discussions!!

Finally I decided to migrate this repo into which-is org. And the name of this repo gonna be the-fastest at first. (It would be changed)
The reason is that it is the only way to keep the effective name and it also has flexibility for the future.

I'll close the issue.
If you have other comments, please open new issues or ping me on gitter.

Regards.

[tbrand]

@waghanza deny to my proposal on Gitter. Please continue the discussion.

[waghanza]

@tbrand sure

for me this decision will be long and puprose is promotion ...

I think there is 2 main ideas here :

• enabling multiple service to help maintaining @tbrand giving me the right to enable such service could be a short term solution
• migrating as an org in order not to depend on 1 person for some stuff + promoting

Summarizing our discussion, we agree about migrating to org TheBenchmarker.
The next step is too choose the project name (according to what use case we want to deal about)

[tbrand]

Did we? I've never agreed the org name. (Thanks for the proposal anyway.)
Who did agree and when?

[waghanza]

@tbrand I've noticed it, but the way we will succeed it to let a majority of developers decide.

Are you agree ?

[tbrand]

It it's snake case, I'll accept.

[tbrand]

Oh no snake cases since it cannot contain underbars. I've took the-benchmarker.

[waghanza]

@tbrand I do not understand, your concern is about the letter design ?

[tbrand]

Yup

[tbrand]

I just prefer the-benchmarker/which-is-the-fastest to TheBenchmarker/WhichIsTheFastest since former is readable for me.

[waghanza]

@tbrand is this a problem of keyboard layout, or something like that ?

honestly, it equal for me (camel case, snake case), I just prefer to have several developers.

if @aichholzer @OvermindDL1 @paulcsmith are OK for this naming convention, it's ok for me :heart:

[tbrand]

I mean readability.

[waghanza]

multiple persons COULD read differently ;-)

even in developers communities

• haskell use capital for word separation
• ruby use underscore
• you prefer dashes

it's a mather of personal feeling :stuck_out_tongue:

[tbrand]

I would like to keep the dash style at least.

[tbrand]

If it's equal for you, could you respect the dash style?

[waghanza]

yeah sure

@aichholzer what do you think ?

[tbrand]

Who will be the contributors of the org?

[aichholzer]

I have no say in this matter, I was merely trying to help.
By reading the last comments; clearly the priority is not in what you are trying to achieve (as a community or a service) but rather getting caught up in the (ridiculous) details, such as camelCase or dashed or neither.

As an anecdote: A few years ago io.js was forked as an alternative project to node.js because Joyent had a different idea/vision of where to take the project and where the priorities where... They too got lost in the irrelevant details.

Best of luck moving forward.

[waghanza]

at least @waghanza, @tbrand and @OvermindDL1

if @aichholzer want to join (or use want to join @aichholzer :stuck_out_tongue: ) it will be great :+1:

[tbrand]

lol. You are right. I was out of the way.

[tbrand]

Please decide it whatever. I'll agree with it. :+1:

[waghanza]

@aichholzer OK to join us on the-benchmarker ?

(as I understand yes, but I prefer ask)

[waghanza]

@tbrand I deliberately delayed this :disappointed:

As well are testing only web tool (http ones), I suggest we use a name with http or web inside

the-benchmarker/web-frameworks

So as it clearly shows that this project aims to compare performance, ans it let us option to create other projects for sql tools.

What do you think ?

PS : It is my last change, I promise :grin:
PSS : I have the Idea to add a project named sql-toolkit for storage libs (not engines)