Vgstation13: Remove SPS beeps
They were and are a terrible addition to gameplay.
nuklearcellphoneg
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drags officer into maint
leaves him dead forever
GraniteSidewalk
on 19 Jun 2019
going into maint alone
Dumb secci
nuklearcellphoneg
on 19 Jun 2019
The creativity and sense of fun of our antag and their freedom would rather end with a behead and hiding the head in a red toolbox
Dupe of #18872 and was attempted in #18856 which was an overwhelmingly negative feedback
I will leave this one open as it's more fresh but it's shitpost-esque nature isn't going to convince a lot of people
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ShiftyRail
on 19 Jun 2019
I'm sure this would help our security population.
Caboozles
on 19 Jun 2019
I'd testmerge a PR doing this TBH
DamianX
on 19 Jun 2019
This is IMO the best summary of the SPS discussion
Not to mention it's a good tool to simulate teamplay and helping newbies/creating a more enjoyable experience in a team-based departement
ShiftyRail
on 19 Jun 2019
If you decide to nonlethally knock out a sec officer and impersonate them... well, you can't do that, it will alert all of security.
If a security officer walks up on you in maint while randomly patrolling while you are in the middle of antaging.., you must knock them out, then you must space them. You can't strip them and weld them in somewhere- sec will be incoming and search the surrounding area.
If you are any random crewmember, why call for help if someone is attacking you? Why risk being killed and hidden? Just equip an SPS, and it will notify every single security member. You have no idea if someone has an SPS... until you remove it, and you can't search a bag... without removing it.
Security automatically knows when something is happening to one of theirs or anyone with an SPS. Why even bother looking at cams? The SPS will notify you of death, stripping, converting, etc etc.
It is not conducive to teamplay. It is a substitute for teamplay. Why use the buddy system as security? The SPS will notify you if your buddy is in trouble.
nuklearcellphoneg
on 19 Jun 2019
Dupe of #18872 and was attempted in #18856
Where's the polls?
nuklearcellphoneg
on 19 Jun 2019
The buddy system existed in the form of buddybags.
Then, someone died and made a PR to remove them.
ShiftyRail
on 19 Jun 2019
You wouldn't be able to impersonate Sec anyway because of implants, unless you're already someone with an implant.
How often do non-security personnel have SPS on them? This is such a false narrative that it's frankly almost insulting. Maybe during a late-stage cult round, but at that point in time you have way more than enough tools to handle it.
Caboozles
on 19 Jun 2019
You wouldn't be able to impersonate Sec anyway because of implants, unless you're already someone with an implant.
Not true
How often do non-security personnel have SPS on them?
HoP and Cap for one.
nuklearcellphoneg
on 20 Jun 2019
If it had to come to this, a non-meme option would be to complexity the system a bit.
For instance, allow you to tear down a belt, backpack, or pockets, with a knife so that you could remove the SPS if you prepared enough.
ShiftyRail
on 20 Jun 2019
You mean the sound they make or general sps beeps?
iFlashYou
on 20 Jun 2019
We don't have health analyzer grenade/assembly components, we should not have SPS.
Desuiseiseki
on 20 Jun 2019
What if SPS simply detected death but not removal? Allowing for all the shenanigans that @nuklearcellphoneg proposes while still adding an interesting failsafe.
JedediahSmith
on 20 Jun 2019
Except you can knock out SPSes, Nuke, you unrobust piece of shit.
Hint: Electromagnetic pulse.
Delete this.
utilitas-
on 20 Jun 2019
we don't have health analyzer grenades
We kinda do actually, mouse trap assimbaliys. Keep a plolyacid smoke grenade rigged in your pocket, if somebody strips your jumpsuit or picks your pocket they get totally fucked.
Also on the subject, the SGPS does have some counter play with proxy sensors. Sure when you kill someone with a SGPS all of security is going to pour into that location. But that ALSO means all of security is going to pour into one location. Polyacid smoke or max cap bomb on a proxy, they will run straight into it. You can turn one officer roaming maintenance by themselves into half of security being wiped.
Also Nuke, captain and HoP having SGPSs is really important for round health. An antag getting all access and a energy gun will gunk things hard.
FudgePucker
on 20 Jun 2019
You wouldn't be able to impersonate Sec anyway because of implants, unless you're already someone with an implant.
Lol
JedediahSmith
on 20 Jun 2019
Okay, make it a poll.
nuklearcellphoneg
on 21 Jun 2019
Fuck you, if the Japanese nantes gets closed without a poll with more :+1: than :-1: you aren't getting a poll for the issue that has been reposted over three times.
FudgePucker
on 21 Jun 2019
I have no clue what you're talking about, but if this has been brought up three separate times it's clearly an issue.
nuklearcellphoneg
on 21 Jun 2019
A vocal minority is still a minority
FudgePucker
on 21 Jun 2019
Nothing stopping you knocking them out, stripping their headset, ID and PDA and leaving them cuffed to a chair while you go buy a discount chocolate bar
Blithering
on 24 Jun 2019
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If you decide to nonlethally knock out a sec officer and impersonate them... well, you can't do that, it will alert all of security.
If a security officer walks up on you in maint while randomly patrolling while you are in the middle of antaging.., you must knock them out, then you must space them. You can't strip them and weld them in somewhere- sec will be incoming and search the surrounding area.
If you are any random crewmember, why call for help if someone is attacking you? Why risk being killed and hidden? Just equip an SPS, and it will notify every single security member. You have no idea if someone has an SPS... until you remove it, and you can't search a bag... without removing it.
Security automatically knows when something is happening to one of theirs or anyone with an SPS. Why even bother looking at cams? The SPS will notify you of death, stripping, converting, etc etc.
It is not conducive to teamplay. It is a substitute for teamplay. Why use the buddy system as security? The SPS will notify you if your buddy is in trouble.