Vgstation13: Singlo to centcomm via the cargo shuttle
Now, I initially believed this was always a thing you could do, but celt is saying bug report so here goes
What happened
A traitor shaft miner sent a singularity to centcomm via the cargo shuttle
What was expected
The singularity to not get to centcomm via the cargo shuttle?
What happened
2 hours of the singularity rampaging across centcomm because all the admins on at the time were either AFK or didn't quite care
I've messaged said shaft miner to ask how he dunnit, but he is offline at the time of me writing this bug report, assumed he did it through simply a PA aimed at a singularity generator on the MoMMI-nest side of the cargo shuttle
ghost
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[IT'S A FEAAAATUUUUREEEEEEEEE]
Shadowmech88
on 22 Mar 2016
100% it's a feature here.
PJB3005
on 22 Mar 2016
It's not a feature what are you talking about. If central command was isolated on a Z level that'd be fine but we're talking the Z level of the spawn, the emergency shuttle, the wizard's den, the syndicate base, the vox shuttle, the metaclub beach, etc etc etc
ghost
on 22 Mar 2016
It is pretty important that we not allow people to launch the singulo at vox shuttle or syndies.
gbasood
on 22 Mar 2016
Remove feature and adds exploitable
ghost
on 22 Mar 2016
@gbasood if that's a problem then we should fix it with singulo shields around the shuttles, not by removing this feature.
PJB3005
on 22 Mar 2016
What are the odds that someone will send a singulo to the Centcomm Z-level before the wizard/nukeops/vox leave anyway?
Shadowmech88
on 22 Mar 2016
Yeah if a singulo is sent to CC I think enough shit is going down. And if it DOES happen the admins should just delete the singulo if it comes too close to the shuttles.
PJB3005
on 22 Mar 2016
But in the event that occurred, the 3 admins that were on at the time didn't give a shit, or weren't there for the entire fiasco
ghost
on 22 Mar 2016
Part of me says lel
Part of me says if it isn't removed then it's gonna be every fucking round now that people know about it.
Probe1
on 22 Mar 2016
@Probe1 I'm honestly amazed people didn't know about it.
Also sending a singulo is a fuckload of effort and can end VERY badly (read: bans because the station is now being eaten), so I doubt it.
PJB3005
on 22 Mar 2016
I knew about it and assumed it was no longer possible.
In fact I tried about a year ago and it didn't work so I wrote it off.
Probe1
on 22 Mar 2016
@PJB3005
Despite the fact that it's only going to be attempted by shitters, it's better if we just prevent it from happening in the first place
Mostly because there is no upside to allowing it to happen
gbasood
on 22 Mar 2016
There's no reason it _wouldn't_ have been possible.
In fact I myself attempted to do it using a bagularity during a round where the station seceded from Centcomm, but failed because it was after bagularities were removed and before they were readded.
Shadowmech88
on 22 Mar 2016
Funfact: Once this feature was removed, but then readded because another coder wanted it back
Killette2
on 22 Mar 2016
Upside: It's hilarious
Downside: It might not actually be hilarious the 100th time.
Probe1
on 22 Mar 2016
How about we remove it _when_ people do it enough for it to be a problem, instead of preemptively removing it because we assume they will?
Shadowmech88
on 22 Mar 2016
Let's not fix an abusable bug because it might not be abused
ghost
on 22 Mar 2016
If it was purposefully re-added, as @Killette2 claims, then it's not a bug.
Shadowmech88
on 22 Mar 2016
This has been a thing for fucking ages and I don't know of a single instance where it resulted in anything other than funny Centcomm messages or lag.
9600bauds
on 22 Mar 2016
Proofs needed. I distinctly remember it being not possible.
ghost
on 22 Mar 2016
@DrCelt I don't consider it abusable because it doesn't have a big impact. If it happens the admins will probably realise in time and delete it if they feel it could damage the shuttles or the ERT room.
PJB3005
on 22 Mar 2016
If Celt thinks it's too abusable I'm with him.
but I'm not super worried oone way or another.
If a cargo tech sends me a singularity then I'll send him one back.
Probe1
on 22 Mar 2016
@PJB3005 It destroyed the emergency shuttle, cargo shuttle, and I think a great deal of Centcomm during the round this issue reported.
No big deal really if an admin with build mode is on, they can reconstruct a shuttle in seconds. But if there isn't or the admin doesn't know how, it'd be a loooooooooong job to fix.
Probe1
on 22 Mar 2016
This is a feature.
Intigracy
on 22 Mar 2016
@PJB3005 all the other shite you're conveniently ignoring on the same z level could be destroyed too, including the game spawn point.
ghost
on 22 Mar 2016
Pretty sure the game spawn point returns on singulo act.
Intigracy
on 22 Mar 2016
Isn't the 'spawn prep room' in the middle of the welcome screen?
It'd be pretty sucky to spawn in dead, or with a burst lung
ghost
on 22 Mar 2016
/mob/new_player/singuloCanEat()
return 0
Wait
Did people not know about this? It's been discussed on GitHub before, I believe
Yeah, my vote is for just shielding the necessary structures
Exxion
on 22 Mar 2016
@Intigracy he's talkin bout the walls being destroyed and a guy being subjected to space while spawning in
Probe1
on 22 Mar 2016
Singulocaneat does nothing, the proc does not do anything. Someone should remove it.
clusterfack
on 23 Mar 2016
Or just fix it?
Intigracy
on 23 Mar 2016
No, it has no reason to exist
clusterfack
on 23 Mar 2016
Does something else serve the same purpose of preventing the singulo from eating it?
We have the functional equivilant for bombs in ex_act returning 0
Intigracy
on 23 Mar 2016
singularity_act return 0
clusterfack
on 23 Mar 2016
Yes, this is a known thing by some, and it was done a month or two ago. That time admins were AFK too.
I think it should be kept, safeties taken and violators violated.
Was the metal foam grenade way of entering Centcomm ever fixed?
ihadtoregisterforthis
on 23 Mar 2016
I've known about this particular issue for probably since before I even became a coder, it's fairly well known. I doubt we'll ever patch it unless people start doing it to be dicks.
clusterfack
on 23 Mar 2016
Send it back at them.
Probe1
on 20 Dec 2016
Some sort of bigger alert when it's on Z level 2'd be nice, like bwoinking all admins 'HOLY FUCK THERE'S A SINGLO LOOSE ON CENTCOMM, IT'S GONNA EAT SPAWN AGAIN'
ghost
on 22 Dec 2016
make a new separate issue for that so people see that. no ones reading ancient issues for the discussion they don't know took place.
Probe1
on 22 Dec 2016
or
we can let the singulo go to centcomm
but delete it after
Intigracy
on 22 Dec 2016
That ruins the fun.
PJB3005
on 22 Dec 2016
Send. it. back. at. them. You're a badmin not a girl scout. If a player griefs a player an admin yells at him. If a player griefs an admin you burn him alive.
Probe1
on 22 Dec 2016
That's the thing. The issue in question, the only admins on were AFK or Manaony, who doesn't give two shits about anything happening, and is basically Mini-Soca but not as fun
ghost
on 22 Dec 2016
Yeah I know. Sometimes players get away with it 馃槮
Probe1
on 22 Dec 2016
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100% it's a feature here.