Vgstation13: [Deff] Permabrig-esque area with Permabrig-esque botany and Permabrig-esque kitchen not actually Permabrig

[9600bauds]

I put an assistant in it, thinking it was Permabrig, and he just walked right out.
What the fuck @Duny-?
You mean you've made this system for Permabrig prisoners to actually do something with their time by serving other prisoners, and IT'S NOT FOR PRISONERS?

[ihadtoregisterforthis]

That is a public area for whoever wants to cook for the inmates.
Not a bug

[9600bauds]

I know it's not a bug, but it's retarded. There is no actual Permabrig, and it lets prisoners escape from the courtyard by tabling each other (they even get a side exit away from Brig!)

[FudgePucker]

Permabrig should be able to be broken out of, putting away murderboners and grayshits makes the round boring.
fuckThank you duny.

[9600bauds]

I meant that it's extremely easy to break out of, using that strategy

[FudgePucker]

Psst, hey,
I was being sarcastic.
Permabrig should be PERMAbrig
You should need to have someone heavily armed kill everyone in security to break you out, or have someone with space gear break you out, not another inmate table you.

[9600bauds]

You can actually escape permabrig rather safely even without space gear, or you used to be able to before hypothermia. I'm fairly sure you still can, though.

[FudgePucker]

If you mean by smashing though four sets of windows though the main part of brig then yes, but that would require none being in brig or near it.

[9600bauds]

It's like a permabrig, except it's not

[PJB3005]

@Imagebard that IS the permabrig.

Deff's permabrig is also the normal brig.

[9600bauds]

Permabrig-esque area with Permabrig-esque botany and Permabrig-esque kitchen

yes clearly I must be talking about the place with the jail cells and timers on them which has neither a botany area nor a kitchen

[9600bauds]

I'm talking about the thing on the back
It has a kitchen and a botany room much like a permabrig
but you can't use it as permabrig
which brings to attention the fact that there's no actual permabrig
The obvious solution is to make the not-permabrig into a permabrig

[FudgePucker]

Maybe have a security shuttle that goes to the middle of space to a maximum security mining outpost. It is surrounded by two rwalls out in space, an asteroid area (no mobs) for them to mine out, a kitchen and botany area, fully stocked, a security area for entering and exiting, comes with a system for CO2 and plasma flooding of the entire complex outside the security area, for if the prisoner is armed, wall flashes everywhere, a stocked medical area that could also be used by security to fix themselves up incase of revs or cult in medbay, and some other features. The only o2 tanks have to be provided by security (for if you want to be able to n2o flood).
The only way to call the shuttle is from the main station or the shuttle itself.

It would be harder to break out of than box brig, but would also have less survalence and more possible tools for excape. You can use xenobotany to try and make chems to excape, you can use xenoarch to get weapons, and you might be able to with enough effort and smarts make one tank bombs.

[Probe1]

Here's what we're gonna do.

We're gonna

Bring Back the Gulag

[Duny-]

people don't instantly suicide when they are brigged on deff since there is no real permabrig (which is intended), how can we fix it?

I know! Make it harder to escape and even more boring than box's perma

Doesn't the kitchen door require some kind of access? If not then that's an easy fix to your problem.

[9600bauds]

Permabrig is infinitely more fun than a jail cell though, that's the point
It has stuff to do and is more interactive than two tables and some dice that you are probably completely alone with

[Probe1]

GULAG COMRADES

[PJB3005]

GULAG

[Duny-]

Permabrig is infinitely more fun than a jail cell though, that's the point
It has stuff to do and is more interactive than two tables and some dice that you are probably completely alone with

Easy then just add fun things to do in the big ass recreation room next to all cells made for this specific purpose

[9600bauds]

Okay, you do it

[Duny-]

IRL prisons do just that and are doing fine, looks like you need to git gud. You have several tools as a warden or security officer to make sure that doesn't happen.
Allowing prisoners to rely on human error to escape is much better design than having prisoners invariably kill themselves because they can't escape and nobody ever checks on them, or break the window and run/die.

@9600bauds Sure I'll just make the public botany jail botany instead and it'll be like box permabrig.

[Duny-]

Then why are you trying to remove deff's escape route which in my opinion is FAR better than just waiting for the warden to leave and breaking the window?
And sure you can, throw them in a cell for half an hour if you lack imagination.

[Duny-]

The table thing is an oversight I will fix, I'm talking about relying on security fucking up when putting someone in a cell.