Streetcomplete: new quest : asking for accessibility of disable parking_space

[ViolaineDo]

I would like to ask if a specific parking_space=disabled is wheelchair accessible. So query with parking_space=disabled and ask if wheelchair accessible (wheelchair=yes/no/limited). It is not always the case so would be good to know precisely if those parking space are really accessible.
I don't have statistics that would say it is not a spam... Feedbacks welcome ..
cc @smortex

PROPOSAL QUEST (UPDATE)

General

Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: wheelchair
Question asked: Is this parking space accessible to wheelchair?
Answers :

• yes : parking place is fully accessible
• no : parking place is not accessible at all
• limited : parking place is partially accessible, one might need assistance to reach the sidewalk (there is a step less than 7cm or incline of the way is too steep)
  

Checklist

Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

• [x] 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
• [x] 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
• [x] 🐿️ Easily answerable by everyone from the outside but a survey is necessary
• [x] 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of elements have the same answer (No spam)
• [x] 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of elements (Worth the effort)

Ideas for implementation

Element selection: parking_space=disabled and !wheelchair

Proposed GUI:
Yes/No/Partially selection answer option.
Add information on the window when the user click on the "Can't say" button...?

[ENT8R]

Why didn't you fill out the quest suggestion issue template?

[ViolaineDo]

@ENT8R Sorry I wasn't sure if that ws needed at this stage...

[ENT8R]

🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of elements (Worth the effort)

According to Taginfo there are about 10.000 elements tagged with parking_space=disabled. 3500 of them already have a wheelchai=* value, so this quest would only apply to about 6500 elements, which is a pretty small amount...

[rugk]

So a better quest may be to ask for parking_space=disabled first (add it to parking spaces), but AFAIK this has been rejected in https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/issues/1106.
Oh wait… that issue lists another tag: capacity:disabled.

So actually parking_space=disabled only is about dedicated (and separately mapped) parking spaces, as it seems. :thinking:
Would it make sense for capacity:disabled >= 1, too?

[ViolaineDo]

So actually parking_space=disabled only is about dedicated (and separately mapped) parking spaces, as it seems. thinking
Would it make sense for capacity:disabled >= 1, too?

From my point of view, it makes sense to qualify accessibility of a whole parking where there is parking spaces for disabled, yes ;) But then the issue would be the quests forms : saying limited for a parking_space or a whole parking doesn't imply the same things. A parking could be inside of a building, and then accessibility would mean accessibility of the parking in the building (doors, lifts, etc). For parking space accessibility we just want to know is there is an incline and that you can get into your car easilly. So finally I think it is not ok to input data with capacity:disabled into this quest..

[westnordost]

Do you have some examples (photos) of any parking spaces reserved for disabled that are not wheelchair accessible? That sounds a bit like a contradiction.

[DeusFigendi]

Do you have some examples (photos) of any parking spaces reserved for disabled that are not wheelchair accessible? That sounds a bit like a contradiction.

The sign for this parking space shows a wheelchair but they ain't dedicated for wheelies only but also for other handicaps, for example bad-footed folks which still walk or blind people.
So probably such parking space could exist.

[westnordost]

I am not convinced.

Any parking can be accessed on wheels, otherwise cars wouldn't be able to access it.

And cases where the whole parking is surrounded by a kerb, it wouldn't matter much, because the person in a wheelchair will need help in any case - already when exiting the car. Even in a public transport bus, someone needs to at least open the ramp. Thus, the information whether there is a lowered kerb at or near the disabled parking space is pretty irrelevant.

[ViolaineDo]

Sorry I couldn't take a picture yet, so my point is that in some case people who build the disabled parking space are doing it badly, for example the width is not enough or the ground can not be accessed on wheels. It's not logical because when you build a disabled parking space, you would think one would consider it, but it is not always the case. It is usually errors where people are not competent or nature got the upper end. In some cases there is a tree nearby which roots stopped accessibility. In that case at the beginning the parking space was accessible but now it is not anymore.. Hope I am clear enough... thks for your support