Scratch-www: Scratch Website Cannot Open

[MapMaths]

Windows OS 19042.423 Edge
China Server

I've opened Scratch in many browsers, but lost as always.
Here are examples of Microsoft Edge:

1. Homepage
   
   
2. User Page
   As above.
3. Scratch Wiki(Not wrong)
   

CMD Ping (Chinese Language):

[apple502j]

This is a problem with China's censorship and not scratch-www.

repro: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/4325549/

[MapMaths]

Thx! But I can't open it. So plz print your screen to me

[apple502j]

online censorship checker:

[MapMaths]

Oh! ☹ Will it be fixed?

[cyx2015s]

If the ST change “country” into “location”, or combine the options, “China” “Macau” “Hong kong” and “Taiwan” into “China”, we will be able to access scratch again.

Oh! ☹ Will it be fixed?

---

But however, this is impossible. Github remain unblocked because many Chinese programmers stay on this website, but we're ordinary students, blocking it will do little harm to them.

[MapMaths]

OK thx

[Kenny2github]

If the ST change “country” into “location”, or combine the options, “China” “Macau” “Hong kong” and “Taiwan” into “China”, we will be able to access scratch again.

I find the former far more likely than the latter, though if @BryceLTaylor stands by his statement in #4313 that it's "by design" then this is goodbye for Chinese Scratchers.

[R4356th]

Wikipedia says there are ways of getting around this.

[sea-horizon]

VPN?

[MapMaths]

Wikipedia says there are ways of getting around this.

Sorry, Wikipedia has been locked in China

[R4356th]

Wikipedia says there are ways of getting around this.

Sorry, Wikipedia has been locked in China

I am sorry. I forgot that. This is what that section contains-

Using a VPN service
Internet censorship in China is circumvented by determined parties by using proxy servers outside the firewall.[165] Users may circumvent all of the censorship and monitoring of the Great Firewall if they have a working VPN or SSH connection method to a computer outside mainland China. However, disruptions of VPN services have been reported and the free or popular services especially are increasingly being blocked.[166][167] To avoid deep packet inspection and continue providing services in China some VPN providers implemented server obfuscation.[168]

Changing IP addresses
Since free hosting blog services like Blogger and Wordpress.com frequently face blockage,[169][170][171] some China-focused services explicitly offer to change a blog's IP address within 30 minutes if it is blocked by the authorities.[172]

Using a mirror website
In 2002, Chinese citizens used the Google mirror elgooG after China blocked Google.[173]

Modifying the network stack
In July 2006, researchers at Cambridge University claimed to have defeated the firewall by ignoring the TCP reset packets.[174]

Using Tor and DPI-resistant tools
Although many users use VPNs to circumvent the Great Firewall of China, many Internet connections are now subject to deep packet inspection, in which data packets are looked at in detail. Many VPNs have been blocked using this method. Blogger Grey One suggests users trying to disguise VPN usage forward their VPN traffic through port 443 because this port is also heavily used by web browsers for HTTPS connections. However, Grey points out this method is futile against advanced inspection.[175] Obfsproxy[176] and other pluggable transports do allow users to evade deep-packet inspection.[177]

The Tor anonymity network was and is subject to partial blocking by China's Great Firewall.[178][179][180][181] The Tor website is blocked when accessed over HTTP but it is reachable over HTTPS so it is possible for users to download the Tor Browser Bundle.[182] The Tor project also maintains a list of website mirrors in case the main Tor website is blocked.[183]

The Tor network maintains a public list of approximately 3000 entry relays; almost all of them are blocked.[182] In addition to the public relays, Tor maintains bridges which are non-public relays.[184] Their purpose is to help censored users reach the Tor network. The Great Firewall scrapes nearly all the bridge IPs distributed through bridges.torproject.org and email. According to Winter's research paper published in April 2012, this blocking technique can be circumvented by using packet fragmentation or the Tor obfsproxy bundle in combination with private obfsproxy bridges.[176][182] Tor Obfs4 bridges still work in China as long as the IPs are discovered through social networks or self-published bridges.[185]

Tor now primarily functions in China using meeks which works via front-end proxies hosted on Content Delivery Networks (CDN's) to obfuscate the information coming to and from the source and destination, it is a type of pluggable transport. Examples are Microsoft's Azure and Cloudflare.[186]

Unintended methods
It was common in the past to use Google's cache feature to view blocked websites. However, this feature of Google seems to be under some level of blocking, as access is now erratic and does not work for blocked websites. Currently, the block is mostly circumvented by using proxy servers outside the firewall and is not difficult to carry out for those determined to do so.

The mobile Opera Mini browser uses a proxy-based approach employing encryption and compression in order to speed up downloads. This has the side effect of allowing it to circumvent several approaches to Internet censorship. In 2009 this led the government of China to ban all but a special Chinese version of the browser.[187]

Using an analogy to bypass keyword filters
As the Great Firewall of China gets more sophisticated, the users are getting increasingly creative in the ways they elude the censorship such as by using analogies to discuss topics. Furthermore, users are becoming increasingly open in their mockery of them by actively using homophones to avoid censorship. Deleted sites have "been harmonized", indicating CPC general secretary Hu Jintao's Internet censorship under the big picture of creating a "Socialist Harmonious Society". For example, censors are referred to as "river crabs", because in Chinese those two words together form a homophone for "harmony".[188]

Using steganography
According to The Guardian editor Charles Arthur, Internet users in China have found more technical ways to get around the Great Firewall of China, including using Steganography, a practice of "embedding useful data in what looks like something irrelevant. The text of a document can be broken into its constituent bytes, which are added to the pixels of an apparently innocent picture. The effect is barely visible on the picture, but the recipient can extract it with the right software".[189]

Voices
Rupert Murdoch famously proclaimed that advances in communications technology posed an "unambiguous threat to totalitarian regimes everywhere"[190] and Ai Weiwei argued that the Chinese "leaders must understand it's not possible for them to control the Internet unless they shut it off".[191]

However, Nathan Freitas, a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard and technical adviser to the Tibet Action Institute, says "There’s a growing sense within China that widely used VPN services that were once considered untouchable are now being touched." In June 2015 Jaime Blasco, a security researcher at AlienVault in Silicon Valley, reported that hackers, possibly with the assistance of the Chinese government, had found ways to circumvent the most popular privacy tools on the Internet: virtual private networks, or VPNs, and Tor. This is done with the aid of a particularly serious vulnerability, known as JSONP, that 15 web services in China apparently never patched. As long as the users are logged into one of China's top web services such as Baidu, Taobao, QQ, Sina, Sohu, and Ctrip the hackers can identify them and access their personal information, even if they are using Tor or a VPN. The vulnerability is not new; it was published in a Chinese security and web forum around 2013.[192]

[tb148]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

[cyx2015s]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

背后肯定有教育机构，为了推广自己产品

There MUST be education companies trying to bring their product to eyesight.

[apple502j]

Okay, here is the thing:

• Country to location: Here is the easiest thing, #4316 and #4317 - This is just an error made during the Join Flow migration.
• Banning anti-China projects: THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT HAPPENING. As long as it's constructive, we should have the ability to say Free Hong Kong (or the opposite, of course). Terms of Use clearly states that the Scratch Team supports freedom of expression. I was once banned because a lot of people (probably from China?) reported my project of a Hong Kong protest song - and they uncensored it, so I'm sure they do think freedom of expression is important.
• While there are 3 million Scratchers from China, there is nothing the Scratch Team loses by having a Great Firewall. Maybe they lose some donation from Chinese companies but oh well. But I am sure free speech and human rights are much more important than money.

[tb148]

• Banning anti-China projects: THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT HAPPENING. As long as it's constructive, we should have the ability to say Free Hong Kong (or the opposite, of course). Terms of Use clearly states that the Scratch Team supports freedom of expression. I was once banned because a lot of people (probably from China?) reported my project of a Hong Kong protest song - and they uncensored it, so I'm sure they do think freedom of expression is important.

However are you sure that it does NOT violates 反国家分裂法？(Sorry, translation currently not available). I think the ST might consider that if it violates LAWS!

[tb148]

One last thing: If Scratch is censored in China, is it still welcoming Everyone? I am sure using VPN is a kind of ability so (quoted from the CG):

If you think a project or comment is mean, insulting, too violent, or otherwise inappropriate, click “Report” to let us know about it.
Scratch welcomes people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, abilities, sexual orientations, and gender identities.

[tb148]

TCPING result, in case somebody says that the Scratch servers might ban ping:

[apple502j]

@tb148 Is that an American law?

also "ability" here probably means whether they have disability or not, and not VPN.

[MapMaths]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

Oop

[apple502j]

See also Terms of Use:

1. Jurisdiction
   Scratch is offered by the Scratch Team from its facilities in the United States. The Scratch Team makes no representations that Scratch is appropriate or available for use in other locations. Those who access or use Scratch are responsible for compliance with local law.

[apple502j]

Paddle2See, one of the moderator said in September 2019:

We feel that individuals are far better at identifying what country they belong to than Scratch is. If a person in Hong Kong feels that their country is Hong Kong, they can choose it. If they feel that the correct country they belong to is China, they are welcome to select it as well. We do not want to remove options for people to identify what country they feel best describes their country.

source: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3710933/

[RealGDMC]

however, China mainlan’s users of scratch.mit.edu cannot view the page now. and maybe forever

[tb148]

Paddle2See, one of the moderator said in September 2019:

We feel that individuals are far better at identifying what country they belong to than Scratch is. If a person in Hong Kong feels that their country is Hong Kong, they can choose it. If they feel that the correct country they belong to is China, they are welcome to select it as well. We do not want to remove options for people to identify what country they feel best describes their country.

source: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3710933/

However HONG KONG IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! Changing the word to "location" also works and it is true that Hong Kong is a location.

[wrj2009]

VPN?

yes

[MapMaths]

Paddle2See, one of the moderator said in September 2019:

We feel that individuals are far better at identifying what country they belong to than Scratch is. If a person in Hong Kong feels that their country is Hong Kong, they can choose it. If they feel that the correct country they belong to is China, they are welcome to select it as well. We do not want to remove options for people to identify what country they feel best describes their country.

source: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3710933/

However HONG KONG IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! Changing the word to "location" also works and it is true that Hong Kong is a location.

True!

[Nambaseking01]

Paddle2See, one of the moderator said in September 2019:

We feel that individuals are far better at identifying what country they belong to than Scratch is. If a person in Hong Kong feels that their country is Hong Kong, they can choose it. If they feel that the correct country they belong to is China, they are welcome to select it as well. We do not want to remove options for people to identify what country they feel best describes their country.

source: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3710933/

However HONG KONG IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! Changing the word to "location" also works and it is true that Hong Kong is a location.

I agree with this, this would be a fantastic fix to the problem.

4316 can fix this issue, better merge it as soon as possible, or else this news will spread like wildfire in the community.

[PrincessPandaSource]

Another fix would be to block projects/studios and censor keywords found in postings that are sensitive to Chinese policy if the site detects the user to be accessing in China.

(Chinese person here.)

[MapMaths]

However, Scratch has been blocked for two days by now, while my friends and I was doing our projects.

[MapMaths]

And who did it?

[MapMaths]

however, China mainlan’s users of scratch.mit.edu cannot view the page now. and maybe forever

True!

[cyx2015s]

My friend said that many Chinese Scratchers have decided to quit Scratch because nobody will want to Scratch on a website that they will never be able to access to.

[Kenny2github]

As a Hongkongian, I am completely fine with "Country" being changed to "Location". We don't consider ourselves a country - we're fighting for the freedoms that were promised to us for fifty years but have only lasted 23. Plus, as @cyx2015s points out in another issue, Antarctica is in the list and that's definitely not a country.

[Kenny2github]

@Nambaseking01 The news has already spread, don't worry.

@PrincessPandaSource your solution will never be implemented. Scratch has never done and will never do political censorship (from anywhere, not just China).

[MapMaths]

My friend said that many Chinese Scratchers have decided to quit Scratch because nobody will want to Scratch on a website that they will never be able to access to.

Maybe, but there're still someone want to.
And I haven't downloaded all my projects 😢

[MapMaths]

P.S. isn't VPN disallowed in 🇨🇳 ?

[wrj2009]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

背后肯定有教育机构，为了推广自己产品

There MUST be education companies trying to bring their product to eyesight.

I think it is true: there is a software (website) called 编程猫(codemao, bian-cheng-mao).

[wrj2009]

P.S. isn't VPN disallowed in 🇨🇳 ?

We can use VPN in China.

[wrj2009]

P.S. isn't VPN disallowed in 🇨🇳 ?

VPN is not allowed in China.

But I can use VPN...

[wrj2009]

P.S. isn't VPN disallowed in 🇨🇳 ?

We can use VPN in China.

you _can_ technically use VPN, but you might get in severe trouble for doing that.

Why?

[wrj2009]

P.S. isn't VPN disallowed in 🇨🇳 ?

We can use VPN in China.

you _can_ technically use VPN, but you might get in severe trouble for doing that.

Why?

search it up on google.

I can't open Google Website without VPN! :(

[cyx2015s]

I knew that the Scratch Website might be blocked because of the news, so I already downloaded them and asked my friends to do so.

[wrj2009]

I knew that the Scratch Website might be blocked because of the news, so I already downloaded them and asked my friends to do so.

DNS 污染

[cyx2015s]

I knew that the Scratch Website might be blocked because of the news, so I already downloaded them and asked my friends to do so.

I was asking @MapMaths .

I knew. I was just sharing my own story.

[wrj2009]

Run ping scratch.mit.edu -t command in Run:

[cyx2015s]

Run ping scratch.mit.edu -t command in _Run_:

why no images?
edit: I found that the server of githubusercontent is partly blocked, you can access it sometimes but other times can't.

[wrj2009]

Run ping scratch.mit.edu -t command in _Run_:

why no images?

我用的是阿儿法营服务器当图床

[cyx2015s]

Run ping scratch.mit.edu -t command in _Run_:

why no images?

我用的是阿儿法营服务器当图床

但是你的评论里连aerfaying都没有出现……

[wrj2009]

Run ping scratch.mit.edu -t command in _Run_:

why no images?

我用的是阿儿法营服务器当图床

但是你的评论里连aerfaying都没有出现……

好像上传到了GitHub的网站里去……

[PrincessPandaSource]

@Kenny2github: I was suggesting the solution for only China, not elsewhere. Elsewhere will be unaffected.

[R4356th]

Paddle2See, one of the moderator said in September 2019:

We feel that individuals are far better at identifying what country they belong to than Scratch is. If a person in Hong Kong feels that their country is Hong Kong, they can choose it. If they feel that the correct country they belong to is China, they are welcome to select it as well. We do not want to remove options for people to identify what country they feel best describes their country.

source: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3710933/

However HONG KONG IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! Changing the word to "location" also works and it is true that Hong Kong is a location.

I do not really understand. If China's firewall is the cause then why can't users from Hong Kong access Scratch?

[apple502j]

@PrincessPandaSource It's not possible to only censor in China.

[wrj2009]

😭Can I open the Scratch Offical Website without VPN again in the future? :(

[MapMaths]

😭Can I open the Scratch Offical Website without VPN again in the future? :(

Sorry, I'm afraid the answer is no, country blocked it

[MapMaths]

@wrj2009 dreadful, isn't it? ☹

[MapMaths]

I'd like to set up a team

[wrj2009]

@wrj2009 dreadful, isn't it? ☹

Yes... :(

[tb148]

Paddle2See, one of the moderator said in September 2019:

We feel that individuals are far better at identifying what country they belong to than Scratch is. If a person in Hong Kong feels that their country is Hong Kong, they can choose it. If they feel that the correct country they belong to is China, they are welcome to select it as well. We do not want to remove options for people to identify what country they feel best describes their country.

source: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3710933/

However HONG KONG IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! Changing the word to "location" also works and it is true that Hong Kong is a location.

I do not really understand. If China's firewall is the cause then why can't users from Hong Kong access Scratch?
Hong Kong is also in China so probably the government can do that.

[tb148]

@Nambaseking01 The news has already spread, don't worry.

@PrincessPandaSource your solution will never be implemented. Scratch has never done and will never do political censorship (from anywhere, not just China).

However political censorship might be done if it is illegal, especially if it isagainst International laws!

[apple502j]

Hong Kongers can still access Scratch.

Also, there is no international law which prohibits calling Hong Kong as a country, as far as I'm aware.

[tb148]

@apple502j You may want to read this.

[wrj2009]

Hong Kongers can still access Scratch.

Also, there is no international law which prohibits calling Hong Kong as a country, as far as I'm aware.

No, split the country(China) is not be allowed.

[tb148]

Hong Kongers can still access Scratch.
Also, there is no international law which prohibits calling Hong Kong as a country, as far as I'm aware.

No, split the country(China) is not be allowed.

And the ST might consider it if it is illegal internationally!

[apple502j]

Okay, time to learn Chinese - any translations available?

(also, how does one page on a website calling Hong Kong a country cause such impacts? Scratch Team obviously don't have power and rights to declare war)

[tb148]

Okay, time to learn Chinese - any translations available?

(also, how does one page on a website calling Hong Kong a country cause such impacts? Scratch Team obviously don't have power and rights to declare war)

Chinese parents think that calling HK a country might influence their kids.

[tb148]

Request: Find things that make splitting countries illegal here. This is an international law so it applies everywhere.

[tb148]

Quoted directly from the link in the post above, feel free to quote this if you want reference:

The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues

Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The territorial integrity and political independence of the State are inviolable;

[MapMaths]

Okay, time to learn Chinese - any translations available?
(also, how does one page on a website calling Hong Kong a country cause such impacts? Scratch Team obviously don't have power and rights to declare war)

Chinese parents think that calling HK a country might influence their kids.

That's it. You got the point. Who want their kids to do bad things?

[cyx2015s]

No, it's because of the word that the news media use, it said “A large amount of anti-China content were found on the Scratch Website”, which redefined “a large amount of”. During my 4 year Scratch journey on the Scratch, I only found one anti-China projects, and I found several anti-China projects via searching. They only found those anti-China projects and users, but didn't notice those anti-“anti-China” projects and users. All the people I met were nice and helpful, and I also collaborated with them.

[apple502j]

@tb148 Scratch is not a country or State.

[tb148]

@tb148 Scratch is not a country or State.
Oh...

[tb148]

Which of the following is the best?

1. Remove some content that are DEFINITELY illegal, or

2. Make 3 million scratchers can't go on Scratch for probably forever.

If you choose 1 react with rockets, if you choose 2 react with eyes.

[tb148]

@Nambaseking01 Could you please explain why 2 is better than 1?

[apple502j]

Because human rights matter. Free speech matters.

Those who want to use Scratch should probably ask the CCP to unban it.

[R4356th]

Isn't MIT's website banned, too? I think they (China) decided to ban all of MIT's subdomains.

[tb148]

Isn't MIT's website banned, too? I think they (China) decided to ban all of MIT's subdomains.

No https://web.mit.edu/ is not banned.

[tb148]

Because human rights matter. Free speech matters.

Those who want to use Scratch should probably ask the CCP to unban it.

For me illegal free speech never matters.

[R4356th]

Isn't MIT's website banned, too? I think they (China) decided to ban all of MIT's subdomains.

No https://web.mit.edu/ is not banned.

What about mit.edu (without the web subdomain)?

[tb148]

Isn't MIT's website banned, too? I think they (China) decided to ban all of MIT's subdomains.

No https://web.mit.edu/ is not banned.

What about mit.edu (without the web subdomain)?

It actually redirects to web.mit.edu

[tb148]

@apple502j I don't quite get why you think that speech encouraging people to do illegal things matters. Could you please explain?

[tb148]

To @apple502j, @R4356th, @Kenny2github, @Nambaseking01 and everyone else who think free speech matters in this case. Let's quote International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights instead!

1. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
   (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
   (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

Still international. We need to protect the national security of China so what do you think now, @apple502j?

[Kenny2github]

Let's not get off-topic. In fact, I'd consider this issue resolved - we know why @MapMaths isn't able to access the Scratch site anymore. Past this point, it's up to the Scratch Team, not us, to decide their course of action and announce it.

So far, the only thing even resembling a statement has been simply saying that "Country" instead of "Location" is "by design". The best thing to do now is to sit and wait.

@BryceLTaylor or other @LLK members, I recommend this issue be closed, and possibly locked. The discussion is getting dangerously heated, and the original question has been answered.

[tb148]

Let's not get off-topic. In fact, I'd consider this issue resolved - we know why @MapMaths isn't able to access the Scratch site anymore. Past this point, it's up to the Scratch Team, not us, to decide their course of action and announce it.

This issue is not resolved. An issue should actually be closed when the problem described does not exist anymore. Scratch is still blockd for now.

[cyx2015s]

Which of the following is the best?

1. Remove some content that are _DEFINITELY_ illegal, or
2. Make 3 million scratchers can't go on Scratch for probably forever.

If you choose 1 react with rockets, if you choose 2 react with eyes.

You should know that one country's law doesn't affect another country.
It's not wise to talk deep politics here.
Edit: changing “country” to “location” might be the best thing we can do and everyone(almostly) agree with.

[tb148]

Which of the following is the best?

1. Remove some content that are _DEFINITELY_ illegal, or
2. Make 3 million scratchers can't go on Scratch for probably forever.

If you choose 1 react with rockets, if you choose 2 react with eyes.

You should know that one country's law doesn't affect another country.
It's not wise to talk deep politics here.

You also know that International laws applies everywhere, right? these projects are against international laws!

[tb148]

Dear @R4356th. I know that you think human rights are important, but canyou explain why you react with -1s? In this post I am quoting laws with reference, and added almost none opinions!

[cyx2015s]

Which of the following is the best?

1. Remove some content that are _DEFINITELY_ illegal, or
2. Make 3 million scratchers can't go on Scratch for probably forever.

If you choose 1 react with rockets, if you choose 2 react with eyes.

You should know that one country's law doesn't affect another country.
It's not wise to talk deep politics here.

You also know that International laws applies everywhere, right? these projects are against international laws!

Yes, but if they don't agree that those “countries” belong to China, it makes no sense to continue.

[tb148]

Which of the following is the best?

1. Remove some content that are _DEFINITELY_ illegal, or
2. Make 3 million scratchers can't go on Scratch for probably forever.

If you choose 1 react with rockets, if you choose 2 react with eyes.

You should know that one country's law doesn't affect another country.
It's not wise to talk deep politics here.

You also know that International laws applies everywhere, right? these projects are against international laws!

Yes, but if they don't agree that those “countries” belong to China, it makes no sense to continue.

THen the ST can remove them and tell them using an alert. ST might think that it is neccesary if these projects are illegal.

[R4356th]

Let's not get off-topic. In fact, I'd consider this issue resolved - we know why @MapMaths isn't able to access the Scratch site anymore. Past this point, it's up to the Scratch Team, not us, to decide their course of action and announce it.

This issue is not resolved. An issue should actually be closed when the problem described does not exist anymore. Scratch is still blockd for now.

This _is_ resolved. GitHub is for code, not for politics. There is no issue with code here. The ST cannot do anything to ensure Scratchers can access Scratch legally when their country blocks it. You need to stand out against your government, not Scratch. Cannot you see that you are just waiting your time?

[R4356th]

Quoting @apple502j:

See also Terms of Use:

1. Jurisdiction
   Scratch is offered by the Scratch Team from its facilities in the United States. The Scratch Team makes no representations that Scratch is appropriate or available for use in other locations. Those who access or use Scratch are responsible for compliance with local law.

[Kenny2github]

@R4356th, do note that as far as I'm aware VPNs are not illegal in China, only that China makes it quite difficult to acquire or use one.

An issue should actually be closed when the problem described does not exist anymore.

@tb148 There are multiple cases on this repo and others where:

1. A problem was reported and an issue was made for it
2. The problem turned out to be large-scale
3. The original issue was closed and splitoff issues were created to address each aspect of the problem

I'm not saying the original problem is resolved, I'm saying it's a hydra with many heads, each of which needs to be tackled separately.

Distinctly from that, the discussion is too heated at the moment - and GitHub has a specific issue-locking (not closing! locking allows collaborators to continue to discuss) reason that simply says "too heated" for just this purpose. Even if not closed, this issue needs to be locked before people like you upset more people with less clouded vision.

[tb148]

This _is_ resolved. GitHub is for code, not for politics. There is no issue with code here. The ST cannot do anything to ensure Scratchers can access Scratch legally when their country blocks it. You need to stand out against your government, not Scratch. Cannot you see that you are just waiting your time?

I am just trying to make sure that Scratch have a higher probability of being unbanned. Because there are 2 causes of that:

1. "Hong Kong" as a country
2. "Free Hong Kong" projects.

What I am trying to do is to remove "Free Hing Kong" projects as well so there is a higher probability to get scratch unbanned.

[R4356th]

@R4356th, do note that as far as I'm aware VPNs are not illegal in China, only that China makes it quite difficult to acquire or use one.

Um, why are you mentioning me? Didn't I link a Wikipedia article that said that using VPNs was a way of getting around the block?

[tb148]

@R4356th, do note that as far as I'm aware VPNs are not illegal in China, only that China makes it quite difficult to acquire or use one.
Um, why are you mentioning me? Didn't I link a Wikipedia article that said that using VPNs was a way of getting around the block?

Actually they ARE illegal in most cases. Maybe those who understands Chinese want to see this.

[RealGDMC]

as to whether HK is a "country" , my answer is no -- As the sino-british Joint Declaration states that Hong Kong is a region of the PRC. individuals support changing the word "country" to "location ", but do not want to see the removal of all bilateral evaluations of HK. everyone should have the right to express themselves -- as if exercising this right should not interfere with others

[tb148]

as to whether HK is a "country" , my answer is no -- As the sino-british Joint Declaration states that Hong Kong is a region of the PRC. individuals support changing the word "country" to "location ", but do not want to see the removal of all bilateral evaluations of HK. everyone should have the right to express themselves -- as if exercising this right should not interfere with others

I hope that you can read [this](https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/issues/4315#issuecomment-674372974. This explains why freeing hong kong projects are illegal.

[RealGDMC]

as to whether HK is a "country" , my answer is no -- As the sino-british Joint Declaration states that Hong Kong is a region of the PRC. individuals support changing the word "country" to "location ", but do not want to see the removal of all bilateral evaluations of HK. everyone should have the right to express themselves -- as if exercising this right should not interfere with others

I hope that you can read [this](#4315 (comment). This explains why freeing hong kong projects are illegal.

yss, we need to maintain national security, but I personally do not think the real the "HK Democracy Movement" threat to national security. but talk of using the "Democracy Movement" to actually implement the "Hong Kong Independence Movement" should not be on the platform. they are the real threat to national security

简中：

是的，我们需要维护国家安全，但我个人不认为真正的“香港民主运动”威胁到了国家安全。但是那些借着“民主运动”而事实上实施“香港独立运动”的相关言论不应当出现在平台上。他们才是真正威胁到了国家安全的事物

[waterblock79]

hmm maybe government blocked scratch website cause to many people report them,not only the question for "country" or "location".
(some website publish some fake news about scratch:( , so some people fell angry and report scratch website:( )

[tb148]

as to whether HK is a "country" , my answer is no -- As the sino-british Joint Declaration states that Hong Kong is a region of the PRC. individuals support changing the word "country" to "location ", but do not want to see the removal of all bilateral evaluations of HK. everyone should have the right to express themselves -- as if exercising this right should not interfere with others

I hope that you can read [this](#4315 (comment). This explains why freeing hong kong projects are illegal.

yss, we need to maintain national security, but I personally do not think the real the "HK Democracy Movement" threat to national security. but talk of using the "Democracy Movement" to actually implement the "Hong Kong Independence Movement" should not be on the platform. they are the real threat to national security

简中：

是的，我们需要维护国家安全，但我个人不认为真正的“香港民主运动”威胁到了国家安全。但是那些借着“民主运动”而事实上实施“香港独立运动”的相关言论不应当出现在平台上。他们才是真正威胁到了国家安全的事物

I agree. However some other person thinks that the "Independence Movement" projects should not be removed. See https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/issues/4315#issuecomment-674067608

[RealGDMC]

as to whether HK is a "country" , my answer is no -- As the sino-british Joint Declaration states that Hong Kong is a region of the PRC. individuals support changing the word "country" to "location ", but do not want to see the removal of all bilateral evaluations of HK. everyone should have the right to express themselves -- as if exercising this right should not interfere with others

I hope that you can read [this](#4315 (comment). This explains why freeing hong kong projects are illegal.

yss, we need to maintain national security, but I personally do not think the real the "HK Democracy Movement" threat to national security. but talk of using the "Democracy Movement" to actually implement the "Hong Kong Independence Movement" should not be on the platform. they are the real threat to national security
简中：
是的，我们需要维护国家安全，但我个人不认为真正的“香港民主运动”威胁到了国家安全。但是那些借着“民主运动”而事实上实施“香港独立运动”的相关言论不应当出现在平台上。他们才是真正威胁到了国家安全的事物

I agree. However some other person thinks that the "Independence Movement" projects should not be removed. See #4315 (comment)

简中：

对于政府的质疑我认为可以存在，但这条评论并未提及“香港独立”。倘若任何人说“香港应当独立”那么为何不反问他“波多黎各/巴塞罗那/苏格兰/北海道是否应当独立呢？”

I think there can be doubts about the government, but this commentary does not mention "Hong Kong independence" . If anyone says "Hong Kong should be independent" , why not ask him "should Puerto Rico/barcelona/scotland/Hokkaido be independent "

[tb148]

as to whether HK is a "country" , my answer is no -- As the sino-british Joint Declaration states that Hong Kong is a region of the PRC. individuals support changing the word "country" to "location ", but do not want to see the removal of all bilateral evaluations of HK. everyone should have the right to express themselves -- as if exercising this right should not interfere with others

I hope that you can read [this](#4315 (comment). This explains why freeing hong kong projects are illegal.

yss, we need to maintain national security, but I personally do not think the real the "HK Democracy Movement" threat to national security. but talk of using the "Democracy Movement" to actually implement the "Hong Kong Independence Movement" should not be on the platform. they are the real threat to national security
简中：
是的，我们需要维护国家安全，但我个人不认为真正的“香港民主运动”威胁到了国家安全。但是那些借着“民主运动”而事实上实施“香港独立运动”的相关言论不应当出现在平台上。他们才是真正威胁到了国家安全的事物

I agree. However some other person thinks that the "Independence Movement" projects should not be removed. See #4315 (comment)

简中：

对于政府的质疑我认为可以存在，但这条评论并未提及“香港独立”。倘若任何人说“香港应当独立”那么为何不反问他“波多黎各/巴塞罗那/苏格兰/北海道是否应当独立呢？”

I think there can be doubts about the government, but this commentary does not mention "Hong Kong independence" . If anyone says "Hong Kong should be independent" , why not ask him "should Puerto Rico/barcelona/scotland/Hokkaido be independent "

The comment actually specifies that "anti-china" projects should not be removed. Hong Kong Independence is a subset of anti-china

[apple502j]

I think it all resolves to this:
1) Scratch Team respects freedom of expression, as stated in the Terms of Use 3.1.
2) Existence of such projects does not mean Scratch Team supports those (see ToU 4.7)
3) Scratch Team is not responsible for the contents' legal status in China, and does not care if it's unavailable in some areas (see ToU 12)
4) With that said, if a project is actually inappropriate (not because of the law, but because they actually promote violence or is obviously disrespectful to Chinese people), you can report them (see ToU 4.5)

[tb148]

I think it all resolves to this:

1. Scratch Team respects freedom of expression, as stated in the Terms of Use 3.1.

2. Existence of such projects does not mean Scratch Team supports those (see ToU 4.7)

3. Scratch Team is not responsible for the contents' legal status in China, and does not care if it's unavailable in some areas (see ToU 12)

4. With that said, if a project is actually inappropriate (not because of the law, but because they actually promote violence or is obviously disrespectful to Chinese people), you can report them (see ToU 4.5)

Although legal status in China is not important, it also violates international laws! see https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/issues/4315#issuecomment-674372974

[RealGDMC]

as to whether HK is a "country" , my answer is no -- As the sino-british Joint Declaration states that Hong Kong is a region of the PRC. individuals support changing the word "country" to "location ", but do not want to see the removal of all bilateral evaluations of HK. everyone should have the right to express themselves -- as if exercising this right should not interfere with others

I hope that you can read [this](#4315 (comment). This explains why freeing hong kong projects are illegal.

yss, we need to maintain national security, but I personally do not think the real the "HK Democracy Movement" threat to national security. but talk of using the "Democracy Movement" to actually implement the "Hong Kong Independence Movement" should not be on the platform. they are the real threat to national security
简中：
是的，我们需要维护国家安全，但我个人不认为真正的“香港民主运动”威胁到了国家安全。但是那些借着“民主运动”而事实上实施“香港独立运动”的相关言论不应当出现在平台上。他们才是真正威胁到了国家安全的事物

I agree. However some other person thinks that the "Independence Movement" projects should not be removed. See #4315 (comment)

简中：
对于政府的质疑我认为可以存在，但这条评论并未提及“香港独立”。倘若任何人说“香港应当独立”那么为何不反问他“波多黎各/巴塞罗那/苏格兰/北海道是否应当独立呢？”
I think there can be doubts about the government, but this commentary does not mention "Hong Kong independence" . If anyone says "Hong Kong should be independent" , why not ask him "should Puerto Rico/barcelona/scotland/Hokkaido be independent "

The comment actually specifies that "anti-china" projects should not be removed. Hong Kong Independence is a subset of anti-china

The scratch team follows U.S. law, not PRC's

[apple502j]

Hm, that law is not something the Scratch Team violated/can violate - it just lists exceptions to the rights, and not their duties.

[R4356th]

I think it all resolves to this:

1. Scratch Team respects freedom of expression, as stated in the Terms of Use 3.1.
2. Existence of such projects does not mean Scratch Team supports those (see ToU 4.7)
3. Scratch Team is not responsible for the contents' legal status in China, and does not care if it's unavailable in some areas (see ToU 12)
4. With that said, if a project is actually inappropriate (not because of the law, but because they actually promote violence or is obviously disrespectful to Chinese people), you can report them (see ToU

I think it all resolves to this:

1. Scratch Team respects freedom of expression, as stated in the Terms of Use 3.1.

2. Existence of such projects does not mean Scratch Team supports those (see ToU 4.7)

3. Scratch Team is not responsible for the contents' legal status in China, and does not care if it's unavailable in some areas (see ToU 12)

4. With that said, if a project is actually inappropriate (not because of the law, but because they actually promote violence or is obviously disrespectful to Chinese people), you can report them (see ToU 4.5)

Although legal status in China is not important, it also violates international laws! see #4315 (comment)

TOC says:

All user-generated content is provided as-is. The Scratch Team makes no warranties about the accuracy or reliability of any user-generated content available through Scratch and does not endorse Scratch Day events or vet or verify information posted in connection with said events. The Scratch Team does not endorse any views, opinions, or advice expressed in user-generated content. You agree to relieve the Scratch Team of any and all liability arising from your user-generated content and from Scratch Day events you may organize or host.

[tb148]

I think it all resolves to this:

1. Scratch Team respects freedom of expression, as stated in the Terms of Use 3.1.
2. Existence of such projects does not mean Scratch Team supports those (see ToU 4.7)
3. Scratch Team is not responsible for the contents' legal status in China, and does not care if it's unavailable in some areas (see ToU 12)
4. With that said, if a project is actually inappropriate (not because of the law, but because they actually promote violence or is obviously disrespectful to Chinese people), you can report them (see ToU

I think it all resolves to this:

1. Scratch Team respects freedom of expression, as stated in the Terms of Use 3.1.

2. Existence of such projects does not mean Scratch Team supports those (see ToU 4.7)

3. Scratch Team is not responsible for the contents' legal status in China, and does not care if it's unavailable in some areas (see ToU 12)

4. With that said, if a project is actually inappropriate (not because of the law, but because they actually promote violence or is obviously disrespectful to Chinese people), you can report them (see ToU 4.5)

Although legal status in China is not important, it also violates international laws! see #4315 (comment)

TOC says:

All user-generated content is provided as-is. The Scratch Team makes no warranties about the accuracy or reliability of any user-generated content available through Scratch and does not endorse Scratch Day events or vet or verify information posted in connection with said events. The Scratch Team does not endorse any views, opinions, or advice expressed in user-generated content. You agree to relieve the Scratch Team of any and all liability arising from your user-generated content and from Scratch Day events you may organize or host.

Please check how the discussion starts. I am trying to convince everyone that anti-china projects should be removed.

[ljy-002]

Windows OS 19042.423 Edge
中国服务器

我已经在许多浏览器中打开了Scratch，但一如既往地迷路了。
以下是Microsoft Edge的示例：

1. 主页
   
   
2. 用户页面
   如上所述。
3. Scratch Wiki（没错）
   

CMD平（中文）：

Me，too

[R4356th]

Please check how the discussion starts. I am trying to convince everyone that anti-china projects should be removed.

And some of us are saying that they should not be removed.

[tb148]

Please check how the discussion starts. I am trying to convince everyone that anti-china projects should be removed.

And some of us are saying that they should not be removed.

So do you think they should be removed?

[apple502j]

Scratch Team does not remove projects unless it violates Terms of Use. If you think they should be removed, report them by the Report button or Contact Us.

[RealGDMC]

Please check how the discussion starts. I am trying to convince everyone that anti-china projects should be removed.

And some of us are saying that they should not be removed.

So do you think they should be removed?

nope

[wrj2009]

Scratch Team does not remove projects unless it violates Terms of Use. If you think they should be removed, report them by the Report button or Contact Us.

I know.

[tb148]

Scratch Team does not remove projects unless it violates Terms of Use. If you think they should be removed, report them by the Report button or Contact Us.

Read 3.3:

3.3 You agree to comply with all applicable laws and regulations when you use Scratch. You may not use Scratch in any unlawful way, including to harass, stalk, or defame any other person.

So it is against the ToU

[MapMaths]

Some anti-china projects have been removed already

[tb148]

Some anti-china projects have been removed already

And all of them should be removed.

[tb148]

nope

@RealGDMC Why?

[apple502j]

@tb148 "You" means the user, so it's not illegal unless someone in China posts the project. (As far as I'm aware, there is no international law about this that applies to Scratch users)

[ljy-002]

@ tb148 “您”表示用户，因此除非中国有人发布该项目，否则这不是非法的。（据我所知，尚无国际法律适用于Scratch用户）

Yes

[tb148]

@tb148 "You" means the user, so it's not illegal unless someone in China posts the project. (As far as I'm aware, there is no international law about this that applies to Scratch users)

The law I am quoting here applies to "everyone"

[ljy-002]

No, we are Chinese, we should not be restricted

@ tb148 “您”表示用户，因此除非中国有人发布该项目，否则这不是非法的。（据我所知，尚无国际法律适用于Scratch用户）

我在这里引用的法律适用于“所有人”

No, we are Chinese, we should not be restricted

[tb148]

No, we are Chinese, we should not be restricted

Why? If a Chinese creates that that then it is against 反分裂国家法！

[apple502j]

1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
2. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
   (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
   (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

Notice it says "may" and not "must".

[tb148]

1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
2. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It _may_ therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
   (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
   (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

Notice it says "may" and not "must".
seems like I misunderstood the law.

[cyx2015s]

Something off topic... What's the frequency of the translation file update(Update the Scratch translation to the transifex version)?

[52black]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

背后肯定有教育机构，为了推广自己产品

There MUST be education companies trying to bring their product to eyesight.

不一定

[apple502j]

@cyx2015s I think it's once a week.

[cyx2015s]

@cyx2015s I think it's once a week.

Thanks... Then my translation will take effect at most in one week...

[52black]

online censorship checker:

不是被墙，是被dns污染，被墙和dns污染都无法访问，但是根据多个工具测出来不是被墙，根据仅有的一个工具测出来是dns污染。
This is DNS cache pollution.

[tb148]

online censorship checker:

不是被墙，是被dns污染，被墙和dns污染都无法访问，但是根据多个工具测出来不是被墙，根据仅有的一个工具测出来是dns污染。
This is DNS cache pollution.

If so then we can use DNS over HTTPS using firefox (Currently I use nightly).

[tb148]

No it is not that simple. It is CONNECTION RESET + DNS cache pollution!

[Kenny2github]

This is DNS cache pollution.

A quick check of the IPs pointed to in two pings would suggest that you're right.

OP:

Me, in Hong Kong:

Going to http://173.252.100.21 completely times out for me, while going to http://151.101.194.133 gives me a Fastly error (which is what Scratch runs) effectively saying "why are you accessing these servers from this domain

[Kenny2github]

No it is not that simple. It is CONNECTION RESET + DNS cache pollution!

@tb148 Do you have screenshots of a TCP packet logger to prove this? Timeouts are different from connection resets.

[52black]

No it is not that simple. It is CONNECTION RESET + DNS cache pollution!

Yes, it's useless to change the host file.

[cyx2015s]

No it is not that simple. It is CONNECTION RESET + DNS cache pollution!

Well, anyway they resulted the same.

[52black]

No it is not that simple. It is CONNECTION RESET + DNS cache pollution!
Yes, it's useless to change the host file.

This morning, I changed the host file to show CONNECTION RESET. I thought it was my computer's problem.
But how to solve the problem of CONNECTION RESET?

[wrj2009]

It is terrible... 😭

[52black]

It is terrible... 😭

但是我们无法改变这个事实。

[wrj2009]

It is terrible... 😭

但是我们无法改变这个事实。

az

[52black]

For scratch to be accessible in China, the scratch team has to remove content that violates Chinese laws, but that's almost impossible.

[ljy-002]

For scratch to be accessible in China, the scratch team has to remove content that violates Chinese laws, but that's almost impossible.

I can only use VPN to enter

[tb148]

This will be the last post of the political debate between me and other Scratchers, that is NOT a reply.

TL;DR: Anti-government and other contents harmful to national security is unwelcoming to people in that country, and thus they should be removed.

The long debate about whether or not anti-china projects should be removed have become a large part of this conversation, and I think it is necessary to end it. Although it seems complicated, it is rather simple: Which one is more important, free speech or national security?

For me the answer is national security. But before I explain why, I want everyone to know what I am feeling after seeing someone trying to keep them:

Imagine: A person had made a project that is extremely harmful to the security of your own country. And he says that it's "free speech" so it should be kept.

Now what do you think? Probably angry and wants to convince the person to change their opinion. And that is exactly how I feel!

Now let's get to the explanation:

Let's analyze the pros and cons of having anti-china projects kept:

Pros: Free speech.

Cons:

1. Such projects are definitely not welcoming, and might insult Chinese people.

2. Scratch is mainly for kids, so they might behave inappropriately.

Someone might think that free speech matters a lot, however please remember that Scratch is for a wide audience, and that's why the ST don't allow several behaviour in ToU 3.1.

The UN also think that national security are one of the only things that might be more important that free speech by writing the law quoted here.

Also, in here Za-Chary said that political views are allowed if they are respectful and welcoming towards all groups of people, but it is not the case for anti-china projects because they are not so welcoming towards Chinese people.

Although I am discussing about anti-china projects, these statements are also true for all projects that is harmful to a nation's security, so I suggest adding this to ToU 3.1:

1. Is harmful to a nation's security.

At last, I want to put a comic from XKCD:

Note: I am not saying "Hong Kong Democracy Movement" projects should also be removed. They are harmless to nationalcsecurity and I also support these movemonts.

Note: I know that you can give -1s to me, but my opinion is rather unchangeable. If anyone want to continue the debate do it somewhere in the forums and maybe tell me in my profile.

[waterblock79]

For scratch to be accessible in China, the scratch team has to remove content that violates Chinese laws, but that's almost impossible.

online censorship checker:

不是被墙，是被dns污染，被墙和dns污染都无法访问，但是根据多个工具测出来不是被墙，根据仅有的一个工具测出来是dns污染。
This is DNS cache pollution.

will DNS pollution happen in most place in china and in same time? I think not.

[wrj2009]

For scratch to be accessible in China, the scratch team has to remove content that violates Chinese laws, but that's almost impossible.

online censorship checker:

不是被墙，是被dns污染，被墙和dns污染都无法访问，但是根据多个工具测出来不是被墙，根据仅有的一个工具测出来是dns污染。
This is DNS cache pollution.

will DNS pollution happen in most place in china and in same time? I think not.

A large number of people say DNS pollution happend... I don't know

[jeffalo]

this conversation is getting way too politic but i just wanted to point out that there are Chinese scratch alternatives based on scratch. im guessing they're not banned.

[cyx2015s]

this conversation is getting way too politic but i just wanted to point out that there are Chinese scratch alternatives based on scratch. im guessing they're not banned.

Yes, there are, but those friends Chinese Scratchers made cannot meet again, neither their undownloaded projects.

[RealGDMC]

nope

@RealGDMC Why?

简中：

Scratch Team遵循美国法律——这些内容并不违法

The Scratch Team complies with U.S. law -- as such, it's not illegal

[ljy-002]

VPN?

是的，我用的就是VPN，也只能用VPN进入

[ljy-002]

nope

@RealGDMC Why?

简中：

Scratch Team遵循美国法律——这些内容并不违法

The Scratch Team complies with U.S. law -- as such, it's not illegal

No, American law should not be directed against China, because the Chinese market accounts for 43% of the American market
不，美国法律，不应该针对中国，因为中国市场占美国市场的43%

[52black]

This will be the last post of the political debate between me and other Scratchers

The long debate about whether or not anti-china projects should be removed have become a large part of this conversation, and I think it is necessary to end it. Although it seems complicated, it is rather simple: Which one is more important, _free speech_ or _national security_?

For me the answer is _national security_. But before I explain why, I want everyone to know what I am feeling after seeing someone trying to keep them:

Imagine: A person had made a project that is extremely harmful to the security of your own country. And he says that it's "free speech" so it should be kept.

Now what do you think? Probably angry and wants to convince the person to change their opinion. And that is exactly how I feel!

Now let's get to the explanation:

Let's analyze the pros and cons of having anti-china projects kept:

Pros: _Free speech_.

Cons:

1. Such projects are definitely not welcoming, and might insult Chinese people.
2. Scratch is mainly for kids, so they might behave inappropriately.

Someone might think that _free speech_ matters a lot, however please remember that Scratch is for a wide audience, and that's why the ST don't allow several behaviour in ToU 3.1.

The UN also think that _national security_ are one of the only things that might be more important that _free speech_ by writing the law quoted here.

Also, in here Za-Chary said that political views are allowed if they are respectful and welcoming towards all groups of people, but it is not the case for anti-china projects because they are not so welcoming towards Chinese people.

Although I am discussing about anti-china projects, these statements are also true for all projects that is harmful to a nation's security, so I suggest adding this to ToU 3.1:

1. Is harmful to a nation's security.

At last, I want to put a comic from XKCD:

Note: I am not saying "Hong Kong Democracy Movement" projects should also be removed. They are harmless to nationalcsecurity and I also support these movemonts.

I can't see the comic.

[cyx2015s]

@52black The website where holds the images is partly banned in China.

[wrj2009]

@52black The website where holds the images is partly banned in China.

No, I can see the image.

[cyx2015s]

@52black The website where holds the images is partly banned in China.

No, I can see the image.

Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't.

[tb148]

BAD NEWS: NO

Good news: With Firefox Nightly+DoH+ESNI+HTTP3(QUIC) I am able to go on Scratch again! Testing about which components are necessary.

Note: maybe scratch is uncensored again?

[cyx2015s]

Good news: With Firefox Nightly+DoH+ESNI+HTTP3(QUIC) I am able to go on Scratch again! Testing about which components are necessary.

Note: maybe scratch is uncensored again?

Nope.

[RealGDMC]

I think I'll stress again that the scratch team follows American law, not Chinese law -- so no one has the right to ask that anti-china or anti-government projects be removed, this does not violate the U.S. laws that the scratch team follows. Of course the obvious counterfactual should be removed, such as "Puerto Rico is an independent state, " "Hong Kong is not a PRC, " and so on

simplified chinese(简中):

我想我再强调一遍的是，scratch team遵循美国法律而不是中国——因此任何人无权要求删除“反华”或者是“反对其他国家的政府”项目，这并不违反scratch team遵循的美国法律。当然明显有违背于现实的应当被移除，例如“波多黎各是一个独立的国家”，“香港不属于PRC”等类似项目

[tb148]

I think I'll stress again that the scratch team follows American law, not Chinese law -- so no one has the right to ask that anti-china or anti-government projects be removed, this does not violate the U.S. laws that the scratch team follows. Of course the obvious counterfactual should be removed, such as "Puerto Rico is an independent state, " "Hong Kong is not a PRC, " and so on

I want to stress that legal content may also removed because they can be inappropriate. And what I am now trying to say is that those anti-government content are inappropriate and the ST might want to ban them. You can also read the panels on the bottom row of XKCD 1357 because that is why I am putting it here.

Note: Although I think that the debate can end, it doesn't.

[ljy-002]

我想我会再次强调，临时小组遵循的是美国法律，而不是中国法律-因此，没有人有权要求取消反中国或反政府项目，这并不违反美国法律，即临时小组团队跟随。当然，应该删除明显的反事实，例如“波多黎各是一个独立国家”，“香港不是中华人民共和国”等等。

US law, US law, US law is not Chinese law. As long as there are Chinese on Scratch, there must be Chinese law on Scratch. If not, you can ask Scratch to apply to withdraw from the Chinese market. For this, I feel angry

[RealGDMC]

US law, US law, US law is not Chinese law. As long as there are Chinese on Scratch, there must be Chinese law on Scratch. If not, you can ask Scratch to apply to withdraw from the Chinese market. For this, I feel angry

If the scratch team doesn't abide by Chinese law, it's only natural that it should be blocked

You have no right to ask the scratch team to follow Chinese law. If they choose not to comply, then nature will be blocked

[tb148]

我想我会再次强调，临时小组遵循的是美国法律，而不是中国法律-因此，没有人有权要求取消反中国或反政府项目，这并不违反美国法律，即临时小组团队跟随。当然，应该删除明显的反事实，例如“波多黎各是一个独立国家”，“香港不是中华人民共和国”等等。

US law, US law, US law is not Chinese law. As long as there are Chinese on Scratch, there must be Chinese law on Scratch. If not, you can ask Scratch to apply to withdraw from the Chinese market. For this, I feel angry

Calm down. It is true that only US laws apply to all Scratch projects, however everyone's projects can be removed even if it is legal, for example a cloud chat, because they can be inappropriate.

[Accio1]

If Scratch is violating international laws (I'm not saying that they are), then that is a problem for the Scratch Team and their lawyers. As far as I'm aware, no one in this thread has legal experience, and therefore, stating that Scratch is violating international laws is based off of your interpretation of laws. This may not be an accurate interpretation, and it could be clouded by personal opinion.

The conversations of random Scratchers isn't going to get Scratch unblocked in China, and this thread is turning into an extremely heated debate, so I would suggest that it be locked pending a Scratch Team decision on this issue.

[ljy-002]

如果 Scratch违反国际法（我不是说它们是国际法），那么这对于Scratch小组及其律师来说是个问题。据我所知，该线程中没有人具有法律经验，因此，指出Scratch违反国际法是基于您对法律的解释。这可能不是一个准确的解释，并且可能被个人观点所笼罩。
在中国，随意的Scratchers对话不会使Scratch畅通无阻，这个话题正变成一场极为激烈的辩论，因此我建议在Scratch团队就此问题做出决定之前将其锁定。

I\ /I
I \ / I
I / Ie,too

I\⠀⠀⠀⠀/I
I⠀\⠀⠀/⠀I
I⠀⠀\ /⠀⠀Ie,too

[tb148]

If Scratch is violating international laws (I'm not saying that they are), then that is a problem for the Scratch Team and their lawyers. As far as I'm aware, no one in this thread has legal experience, and therefore, stating that Scratch is violating international laws is based off of your interpretation of laws. This may not be an accurate interpretation, and it could be clouded by personal opinion.

The conversations of random Scratchers isn't going to get Scratch unblocked in China, and this thread is turning into an extremely heated debate, so I would suggest that it be locked pending a Scratch Team decision on this issue.

I tried to stop the debate, but it started again. However this time I am trying to make people not to focus on legalness but appropriateness.

[ljy-002]

如果 Scratch违反国际法（我不是说它们是国际法），那么这对于Scratch小组及其律师来说是个问题。据我所知，该线程中没有人具有法律经验，因此，指出Scratch违反国际法是基于您对法律的解释。这可能不是一个准确的解释，并且可能被个人观点所笼罩。
在中国，随意的Scratchers对话不会使Scratch畅通无阻，这个话题正变成一场极为激烈的辩论，因此我建议在Scratch团队就此问题做出决定之前将其锁定。

我试图停止辩论，但辩论再次开始。但是，这一次我试图使人们不再关注合法性而是适当性。

We are legal

[tb148]

@ljy-002 Scratch also don't allow inappropriate content even if they are legal, such as cloud chats.

[ljy-002]

@ ljy-002 Scratch也不允许非法内容，即使它们是合法的，例如云聊天。

Emmm……yes

[tb148]

@ ljy-002 Scratch也不允许非法内容，即使它们是合法的，例如云聊天。

Emmm……yes

So appropriateness also matters. Off topic: Translation is unnessary.

[Adamtimmy2]

如果 Scratch违反国际法（我不是说它们是国际法），那么这对于Scratch小组及其律师来说是个问题。据我所知，该线程中没有人具有法律经验，因此，指出Scratch违反国际法是基于您对法律的解释。这可能不是一个准确的解释，并且可能被个人观点所笼罩。
在中国，随意的Scratchers对话不会使Scratch畅通无阻，这个话题正变成一场极为激烈的辩论，因此我建议在Scratch团队就此问题做出决定之前将其锁定。

I\ /I
I \ / I
I / Ie,too

I\⠀⠀⠀⠀/I
I⠀\⠀⠀/⠀I
I⠀⠀\ /⠀⠀Ie,too

你说的对.

[MapMaths]

Yes, but they can report the projects, not block the website!

[ljy-002]

如果 Scratch违反国际法（我不是说它们是国际法），那么这对于Scratch小组及其律师来说是个问题。据我所知，该线程中没有人具有法律经验，因此，指出Scratch违反国际法是基于您对法律的解释。这可能不是一个准确的解释，并且可能被个人观点所笼罩。
在中国，随意的Scratchers对话不会使Scratch畅通无阻，这个话题正变成一场极为激烈的辩论，因此我建议在Scratch团队就此问题做出决定之前将其锁定。

I\ /I
I \ / I
I / Ie,too

I\⠀⠀⠀⠀/I
I⠀\⠀⠀/⠀I
I⠀⠀\ /⠀⠀Ie,too

你说的对.

English can be spoken here

[ljy-002]

我想我会再次强调，临时小组遵循的是美国法律，而不是中国法律-因此，没有人有权要求取消反中国或反政府项目，这并不违反美国法律，即临时小组团队跟随。当然，应该删除明显的反事实，例如“波多黎各是一个独立国家”，“香港不是中华人民共和国”等等。

我想强调，法律内容也可能会被删除，因为它们可能不合适。我现在要说的是，这些反政府内容是不适当的，ST可能希望禁止它们。您也可以阅读XKCD 1357最底部一行的面板，因为这就是为什么我将其放在此处。

注意：尽管我认为辩论可以结束，但没有结束。

No

我想我会再次强调，临时小组遵循的是美国法律，而不是中国法律-因此，没有人有权要求取消反中国或反政府项目，这并不违反美国法律，即临时小组团队跟随。当然，应该删除明显的反事实，例如“波多黎各是一个独立国家”，“香港不是中华人民共和国”等等。

我想强调，法律内容也可能会被删除，因为它们可能不合适。我现在要说的是，这些反政府内容是不适当的，ST可能希望禁止它们。您也可以阅读XKCD 1357最底部一行的面板，因为这就是为什么我将其放在此处。

注意：尽管我认为辩论可以结束，但没有结束。

I think I'll stress again that the scratch team follows American law, not Chinese law -- so no one has the right to ask that anti-china or anti-government projects be removed, this does not violate the U.S. laws that the scratch team follows. Of course the obvious counterfactual should be removed, such as "Puerto Rico is an independent state, " "Hong Kong is not a PRC, " and so on

I want to stress that legal content may also removed because they can be inappropriate. And what I am now trying to say is that those anti-government content are inappropriate and the ST might want to ban them. You can also read the panels on the bottom row of XKCD 1357 because that is why I am putting it here.

Note: Although I think that the debate can end, it doesn't.

No

[tb148]

我想我会再次强调，临时小组遵循的是美国法律，而不是中国法律-因此，没有人有权要求取消反中国或反政府项目，这并不违反美国法律，即临时小组团队跟随。当然，应该删除明显的反事实，例如“波多黎各是一个独立国家”，“香港不是中华人民共和国”等等。

我想强调，法律内容也可能会被删除，因为它们可能不合适。我现在要说的是，这些反政府内容是不适当的，ST可能希望禁止它们。您也可以阅读XKCD 1357最底部一行的面板，因为这就是为什么我将其放在此处。
注意：尽管我认为辩论可以结束，但没有结束。

No

我想我会再次强调，临时小组遵循的是美国法律，而不是中国法律-因此，没有人有权要求取消反中国或反政府项目，这并不违反美国法律，即临时小组团队跟随。当然，应该删除明显的反事实，例如“波多黎各是一个独立国家”，“香港不是中华人民共和国”等等。

我想强调，法律内容也可能会被删除，因为它们可能不合适。我现在要说的是，这些反政府内容是不适当的，ST可能希望禁止它们。您也可以阅读XKCD 1357最底部一行的面板，因为这就是为什么我将其放在此处。
注意：尽管我认为辩论可以结束，但没有结束。

I think I'll stress again that the scratch team follows American law, not Chinese law -- so no one has the right to ask that anti-china or anti-government projects be removed, this does not violate the U.S. laws that the scratch team follows. Of course the obvious counterfactual should be removed, such as "Puerto Rico is an independent state, " "Hong Kong is not a PRC, " and so on

I want to stress that legal content may also removed because they can be inappropriate. And what I am now trying to say is that those anti-government content are inappropriate and the ST might want to ban them. You can also read the panels on the bottom row of XKCD 1357 because that is why I am putting it here.
Note: Although I think that the debate can end, it doesn't.

No

Why?

[tb148]

Since @R4356th deleted my comments on scratch, now asking here.

Dear @R4356th, could you please list all the sentences you disagree with this comment? Please also include why you disagree and downvoted this comment.

[ljy-002]

Since @R4356th deleted my comments on scratch, now asking here.

Dear @R4356th, could you please list all the sentences you disagree with this comment? Please also include why you disagree and downvoted this comment.

No, the person who created this question has the right to manage

[tb148]

Since @R4356th deleted my comments on scratch, now asking here.
Dear @R4356th, could you please list all the sentences you disagree with this comment? Please also include why you disagree and downvoted this comment.

No, the person who created this question has the right to manage

Actually this is originally asked on R4356th's Scratch profile.

[tb148]

Actual last comment of political discussion. Go here if you still want to discuss politics.

Please quote this post if anyone started discussing politics again.

[BryceLTaylor]

I'm closing this issue since the inaccessibility is not a technical issue with Scratch.

[ljy-002]

No, I think Scratch does not allow Chinese people to visit
This is not a technical issue, but an ethical issue

[Nambaseking01]

@ljy-002 "Scratch welcomes people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, abilities, sexual orientations, and gender identities."

I don't think so.

[waterblock79]

@ljy-002 "Scratch welcomes people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, abilities, sexual orientations, and gender identities."

I don't think so.

Scratch team welcomes but goverment not.

[EamonKowk]

Probably because of Weibo.😥

[ljy-002]

What？

[ljy-002]

Isn't the United States bullying China enough? ! !

[ljy-002]

According to statistics, the chip industry's output value of 1 US dollar can drive the information industry's output value of 10 US dollars and 100 US dollars of GDP. As the "heart" of computers, mobile phones, home appliances and other complete equipment, chips are also referred to as the country's "industrial food", and have almost a "life and death" role in many fields. This industry has become the last and most important "short board" in China's industrial system, and a breakthrough is urgently needed!

　　The chip is monopolized by the United States! Earn 200 billion U.S. dollars in China a year, and still carry out technical blockade?

　　 The United States started earlier than China in the field of chips, and has long monopolized the world market in the development and production of electronic equipment. The vast majority of computer chips and mobile phone chips in the world come from the United States. In this case, China’s situation is much more difficult: 54% of the world’s chips are exported to China, but domestic chips only account for 10% of the market; 77% of the world’s mobile phones are made in China, but less than 3% of them China’s mobile phone chips are made in China; every year, China’s imported chips consume more than 200 billion US dollars of foreign exchange, even more than oil and other commodities!

　　 A long-term "coreless" country can only passively stay in the lower tier of the global industrial chain. What is even more frightening is that the United States may also use this monopoly to do some "bad things." Experts say that foreign chip manufacturers may steal trade secrets through chip implantation Trojan horses, or tamper with key control data, endangering public life and national security. Just as many information platform systems rely heavily on Microsoft, hardware being controlled by others is equivalent to building a house in the desert. China's national economy and national defense security are likely to be threatened. This is by no means alarmist!

　　 In order to maintain this monopoly position, or its strategic advantage over China, the United States has taken great pains in this regard. On the one hand, the US Department of Commerce prohibits the sale of "Xeon" chips to China's four national supercomputer centers; on the other hand, major American manufacturers such as Intel and Qualcomm have also preemptively registered almost all related patents. Even though Chinese manufacturers have worked so hard to complete technological breakthroughs, they have received letters from lawyers from American companies before the mass production stage. This is the real obstacle to the development of Chinese chips.

　　 Insist on independence! The state invested 150 billion yuan, and this Chinese company finally broke!

[ljy-002]

[EamonKowk]

@ljy-002 Look at this.

[ljy-002]

@ljy-002 Look at this.

hiahia，This is too naive

[ljy-002]

Therefore, taking the road of independence has become the only choice, and Chinese chips urgently need to achieve technological breakthroughs! At the end of 2017, China finally successfully developed a 32-layer stack 3D NAND flash memory chip, breaking the monopoly of the technology (3D NAND flash memory technology) in the United States, Japan, South Korea and other countries. The company that made this breakthrough was Yangtze River Storage, a subsidiary of Ziguang Group. This company has become China’s largest chip design company. They have also said that they will invest 300 billion yuan in industrial capital to make the total output value of the chip business enter the top three in the world.

Sooner or later, China will surpass the United States! ! !

[ljy-002]

@EamonKowk
I will find out
Deliberately not wanting to join, it is too messy there

[cyx2015s]

This is getting way too political...

[hilikin]

I can't believe it.....

[ljy-002]

Me.too

[ljy-002]

@EamonKowk
I admit, you are great. But the discussion here is not "programming cat", but "Scratch"

[ljy-002]

Or you can add some political content, so that Scratch employees will be "brainwashed" when they see it

[RealGDMC]

@ljy-002 嘿兄台够了

Scratch Team遵循他们所在国也就是美国的法律是正常的没有任何争议的行为。

Scratch Team因为没有遵循中华人民共和国的法律而导致scratch.mit.edu被墙也是没有任何争议的正常行为。

你无权要求Scratch Team遵循中华人民共和国的法律，别人也不行。

这和美利坚合众国对中国的行动没有任何直接关联，这些都是合法合规行为。

请不要渲染所谓的“美国威胁论”与“中国必将强大”这一类气氛，我相信时间会给世界以答案。但无论如何这些言论与观点对于Scrtach官网被墙没有任何关系。

[ljy-002]

No, I didn't let Scratch follow Chinese laws. I mean Scratch can't help Chinese people enter. Sorry, Chinese cannot be spoken here, this is to respect others

[ljy-002]

@ljy-002 "Scratch welcomes people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, abilities, sexual orientations, and gender identities."

I don't think so.

Then you hate China, right

[EamonKowk]

@ljy-002 👴看透你了，你就是nt😅

[EamonKowk]

打着爱国的旗号说着毫不相干的事，👍

[ljy-002]

No

[EamonKowk]

No

说中文好吗？你不是爱国吗

[ljy-002]

Yeah i love china

[ljy-002]

But we have to speak english here

[ljy-002]

I hope you can consciously delete Chinese comments

[ljy-002]

Comments in English on GitHub are only welcome to speak English

[ljy-002]

Answer English comments in English

[ljy-002]

This is character

[EamonKowk]

Github官方要求issues一定要用英语了吗？你我都是中国人为什么不用中文？🤔

[ljy-002]

Otherwise this is not respecting others

[ljy-002]

Github官方要求issues一定要用英语了吗？你我都是中国人为什么不用中文？🤔

Because we have to respect others

[ljy-002]

We need to make it easy for others

[EamonKowk]

尊重你🐎呢，说中文是对别人不尊重？宁在教我做事？睿智

[ljy-002]

This is our living capital

[ljy-002]

It’s not that Chinese is disrespectful, but English should be spoken here

[EamonKowk]

👴说不过没🐎的人，😁

[ljy-002]

I get it: @R4356th hates me

[waterblock79]

It’s not that Chinese is disrespectful, but English should be spoken here

GitHub是对全世界的Coder们开放的，并且这里正在进行讨论的成员大部分为来自中国的Scratcher，说中文是没有任何问题的。如果你觉得英文非常“高尚”，在GitHub人人都必须说英文，不说就是不尊重人，那我觉得你应该把你个人简介和名字的拼音改成英文才对。

[ljy-002]

👴说不过没🐎的人，😁

Youngster, respect others here

[ljy-002]

@waterblock79 Good idea, I'll change it in a while

[waterblock79]

@waterblock79 Good idea, I'll change it in a while

是的，你是一个好的慕洋人。

[EamonKowk]

👴说不过没🐎的人，😁

Youngster, respect others here

傻逼，你妈死了

[ljy-002]

I remember what you said, @EamonKowk

[ljy-002]

@waterblock79, I remember you too

[ljy-002]

@EamonKowk, I hope you can become "the best bad student in school"

[ljy-002]

@MapMaths You are welcome to comment

[EamonKowk]

@EamonKowk, I hope you can become "the best bad student in school"

够了够了快停吧要吐了

[wrj2009]

@ljy-002 你想在GitHub用英语就用英语，但是GitHub并不是只能用英语，只不过用英语可能更好
@EamonKowk

---

恶语伤人六月寒。

[EamonKowk]

@ljy-002 你想在GitHub用英语就用英语，但是GitHub并不是只能用英语，只不过用英语可能更好
@EamonKowk

恶语伤人六月寒。

对于这种人不用狠的他能罢休吗？

[wrj2009]

好像离题了
We are discussing about "Scratch Website Cannot Open".

[wrj2009]

@EamonKowk, I hope you can become "the best bad student in school"

这种话骂出来恐怕有点幼稚吧。

[ljy-002]

@EamonKowk But it's worse for you

[wrj2009]

@EamonKowk But it's worse for you

难道对你来说吵架是一件非常爽的事情，一吵架就停不下来？

[ljy-002]

@wrj2009 ,Okay, thank you for your suggestion, I will say less of these things in the future

[ljy-002]

@wrj2009 ,Arguing is not good for me, I want to stop @EamonKowk ’s behavior

[EamonKowk]

请停，我邮箱要炸了
咱不说了好吗

[ljy-002]

I can leave it alone, but I want to prove a fact:
I have a lot more emails than you

[ljy-002]

Okay, I won’t say anymore ヽ(￣▽￣)و

[waterblock79]

@waterblock79, I remember you too

你就一小学生害remember呢，您配remember别人🐴？你不是七秒记忆🐴？best bad这破“梗”也只有nt玩吧，建议赶紧回去看喜羊羊，别在这里展现你有多nt了

[ljy-002]

Okay, thank you for your suggestionヽ(￣▽￣)و

[MapMaths]

@waterblock79 Please be respect, this is not the place

[waterblock79]

@waterblock79 Please be respect, this is not the place

I want teach him a lesson for his "FELL SUPERIOR" behavior.

[SausageMcSauce]

If possible, could the discussion in this be locked? This issue is already closed, but some recent comments here seem offtopic and might turn into flame wars.

[ljy-002]

@SausageMcSauce
This has delayed many Chinese children
This is indeed a big problem

[ljy-002]

@EamonKowk But it's worse for you

难道对你来说吵架是一件非常爽的事情，一吵架就停不下来？

The problem cannot be solved without quarreling (on this issue)

[ljy-002]

我得到了一些话：
I got some words:

[ljy-002]

(NOTE TO ST: This is only a peaceful protest. We aren't hating on China, we just don't like the actions China took.)

On August 14th, 2020, the Chinese government banned mit.edu (the main site for all MIT-owned sites) and all it's subdomains.

20K Scratchers now are blocked from using Scratch.

This is a big problem. We can stop it. Although most of us are kids, we still can fight it and bring Scratch back for the Chinese Scratchers.

Please, invite your followers and put #UnbanScratch in your profile or your forum signature.

To curate, put #UnbanScratch in your WIWO or About me and ask.

To manage, I have to trust you and you need to invite your followers.

FAQ

Q: Why did China ban Scratch?

A: They banned it because there's a lot of Free Hong Kong and anti-China projects, and that the ST recognizes Taiwan, HK, and other Chinese territories as separate from China.

Q: Can I curate/manage?

A: To curate, put #UnbanScratch in your WIWO or About me and ask.

To manage, I have to trust you. You have to be an official studio curator, ST member(!), past/future FPC, or you have to be an alt of an existing manager, and you need to invite your followers.

Edit 1: SCREEE 30 followers and 65 curators??? Thank y'all for all the support <3

Edit 2: We now have an official account controlled by @garnet chan that you can ask questions to! @unbanscratch

Edit 3: Thank all of you for all the support! This was just some random kid's studio, nothing more. Thank you to all the managers, curators, commentators, and everyone else for supporting us through this.
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[ljy-002]

中文翻译
Chinese translation

[ljy-002]

（注意：这只是和平的抗议。我们不讨厌中国，我们只是不喜欢中国采取的行动。）

2020年8月14日，中国政府禁止mit.edu（所有MIT拥有的站点的主要站点）及其所有子域。

现在已禁止2万个Scratchers使用Scratch。

这是个大问题。我们可以阻止它。尽管我们大多数人都是孩子，但我们仍然可以与之抗争，并为中国的Scratchers带回Scratch。

请邀请您的关注者，并将#UnbanScratch放入您的个人资料或论坛签名。

要进行策展，请将#UnbanScratch放入您的WIWO或“关于我”并询问。

要进行管理，我必须信任您，您需要邀请您的关注者。

常问问题

问：中国为什么禁止Scratch？

答：他们之所以禁止它，是因为有许多自由香港和反中国项目，并且Scratch承认台湾，香港和其他中国领土与中国分开。

问：我可以策划/管理吗？

答：要策划，请将#UnbanScratch放入WIWO或“关于我”并询问。

要管理，我必须信任您。您必须是正式的录音室策展人，ST成员（！），过去/将来的FPC，或者您必须是现有经理的全部，并且需要邀请您的关注者。

编辑1：SCREEN 30位关注者和65位策展人？？？感谢你们的支持<3

编辑2：现在，我们有了一个由@garnet chan控制的官方帐户，您可以向它提问！ @unbanscratch

编辑3：感谢大家的支持！这只是一些随机的孩子的工作室，仅此而已。感谢所有经理，策展人，评论员以及其他所有人在此过程中对我们的支持。

徽标由Geometric_ghast设计

[cyx2015s]

我得到了一些话：
I got some words:

Interesting. It must be a description of a 404 studio. Can I have the link?

[ljy-002]

@cyx2015s
I don’t know, this is what @ Little-Earthworm told me

[ljy-002]

[ljy-002]

（2020/10/24）等下，这个VPN可以进入了： R-VPN

[wrj2009]

@ljy-002
每个都可以啊

[ljy-002]

https://rvpn.club/

[ljy-002]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

背后肯定有教育机构，为了推广自己产品

There MUST be education companies trying to bring their product to eyesight.

嗯，我觉得中国政府太“直爽”了，什么也没想，被洗脑了，就把Scratch关了

[52black]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

背后肯定有教育机构，为了推广自己产品
There MUST be education companies trying to bring their product to eyesight.

嗯，我觉得中国政府太“直爽”了，什么也没想，被洗脑了，就把Scratch关了

一直都是这样的好吗，墙网站从不考虑的

[52black]

CAN reproduce! Also if anyone else in China whats to know why then here it is.

背后肯定有教育机构，为了推广自己产品
There MUST be education companies trying to bring their product to eyesight.

嗯，我觉得中国政府太“直爽”了，什么也没想，被洗脑了，就把Scratch关了

不是洗脑的问题，反正违法内容一多不墙才怪呢，很少会考虑其他的

[ljy-002]

@52black 对，我们对这中国不是很满意，包括其他的事

[Adamtimmy]

我同意我不希望在国内的朋友不能在到scratch上 (　ＴДＴ)
对我来说scratch没有意思了，我都不能和一个大陆人说话~

[MapMaths]

Oh, why HK still a country?
This is the main reason for blocking.

[MapMaths]

https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/pull/4175

[ljy-002]

@MapMath 是因为香港（台湾）有一个独立的服务器

[waterblock79]

@mapmath 是因为香港（台湾）有一个独立的服务器

Hey, I think scratch website will not come back forever, you know, 'they' don't care about that beacause we just student.So lets stop this issue, do some thing more meaningful XD

[ljy-002]

@waterblock79
Yes
We can only do other things now
We are also dealing with this problem

[sea-horizon]

也难怪了
https://tse3-mm.cn.bing.net/th/id/OIP.mHxLC5yHV-AnEje63NDA9wHaFS?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

[ljy-002]

About此问题：

4175 #4317 #4024 #4019

[ljy-002]

当然，从这一行开始，就是设置国家和地区的了：
https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/blob/develop/test/unit/lib/country-data.test.js#L75

[ljy-002]

但我不推荐再拉取一个请求，这样会更麻烦

[Adamtimmy]

是的 我们应该在github上建一个以前在scratch上的朋友圈 你们看怎么样呀

[MapMaths]

可以啊

[ljy-002]

是的，我们只能这样，没有其他办法

[wrj2009]

https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/blob/develop/src/lib/country-data.js

[ljy-002]

@Adamtimmy 你还好吗？

[Adamtimmy]

@Adamtimmy 你还好吗？

我还好！ 只不过最近有点累！@lyj-002 ， @MapMaths 你们还好吗？

[MapMaths]

@Adamtimmy

[Adamtimmy]

@mapmaths 好的 但是它说“this is not the chat you were looking for" :(

[MapMaths]

@Adamtimmy 可能邀请函过期了，现在应该可以了

[Adamtimmy]

@MapMaths 好的！现在好了！谢谢！

[wrj2009]

可以不讨论了吗😂现在这里讨论的也不是“Scratch Website Cannot Open”了

[ljy-002]

@Adamtimmy 太好了，还能在这里跟你们讨论

[Adamtimmy]

😂😂👍👍👍说得对不讨论了，至少不在这里讨论了 ，你也可以加入上面的chat哟 @wrj2009