Schemaorg: dissolutionLocation

[VladimirAlexiev]

Schema has properties foundationLocation and dissolutionDate but no dissolutionLocation. In contrast, for a person all 4 properties are present (birth/death place/date).

Getty ULAN has such a field, and 70 records that use it.

Often the foundation place and dissolution place are the same place. There are instances, however, where the places are different. For instance, during WWII a firm founded in Berlin may have been forced to move to Paris, and then was eventually dissolved in Paris.

Getty internal tracker: https://jira.getty.edu/browse/ITSLOD-283

[danbri]

Thanks, noted. We're quite backlogged but I've put this on the someday pile. We have some related vocabulary also in https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/HistoricalDataSchema that was never finally incorporated. #304

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[nichtich]

https://schema.org/location should also be super-property of https://schema.org/birthPlace and https://schema.org/deathPlace

[VladimirAlexiev]

location should also be super-prop of foundationLocation, dissolutionLocation

[danbri]

Good point @VladimirAlexiev - would you care to send a PR to add dissolutionLocation via pending? and another to add those super-property assertions?

Getty ULAN has such a field, and 70 records that use it.

70 79 records! 📈

Are there other usecases, or applications consuming the data? What does Wikidata do in this area?

If the primary scenario here is cultural heritage, should the definition indicate that a typical value is most likely to be a city rather than a country? Countries / states can get restructured and partitioned, whereas cities tend to be more enduring entities even if they get renamed. If the usecase is closer to law, e-government etc., perhaps there are other requirements? Are the Getty records mostly cities?

Ok, I tried tweaking your Getty SPARQL to look, but from a quick check it seems they're very specific point locations rather than e.g. cities, named settlements or whatever.

select * {
  ?x schema:dissolutionLocation ?y .
 OPTIONAL { ?y ?someprop ?somevalue . } 
}

[VladimirAlexiev]

@danbri Can you please point me to a similar PR?

They are cities but the Getty representation is a bit more involved so the query is more complex:

select * {
  ?bio schema:dissolutionLocation ?place.
  ?agentConcept foaf:focus/gvp:biographyPreferred ?bio; gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?agentName.
  ?placeConcept foaf:focus ?place; gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?placeName.
}

I think datasets will expose whatever places they have: of course a more specific place like city is better, but if they only have data at the granularity of country, that's also ok.

Wikidata has "inception date", location of formation, dissolution date, "birth place", "death place" but no "dissolution location". Eg see the Beatles.