You-dont-know-js: Is the open parts of book welcome translate to other language like chinese?

[yuanyan]

[getify]

Thank you for your question. I will research and get back to you with a definitive answer when I can.

[getify]

I promised a "definitive answer" and I do not have one yet. However, let me add some additional thoughts:

1. I initially thought, "sure, this is OSS, go for it". But then, I thought, "well, O'Reilly is going to license official translations of the published works". If I authorize translations of the drafts, does that dilute or prohibit O'Reilly's rights to do so? Probably not, but not positive.
2. A translation appears to indeed be considered, under US copyright law, a "derivative work", according to this article anyway.
3. This content is licensed under:
   Creative Commons CC BY-NC-ND 3.0. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/

...which does indeed prohibit derivative works, unless the copyright holder (me) grants specific permission.

1. If I were going to authorize such, it would certainly be that I required the translations to be submitted back to this repo, and not to be distributed through any other channel besides this repo.
2. Right now, it appears I need to consult with O'Reilly before I can give any official yay or nay.

[yuanyan]

Got it, thank you very much for the answer.

[cirocosta]

Any updates for this? I'd really enjoy contributing for a pt-BR translation as i'm liking a bunch the content that is being produced.

[getify]

I don't have any updates on that as the contract stuff is still being worked out. But I will update here once I have an answer in any direction. :)

[getify]

OK, I finally have a more official answer from O'Reilly.

The content is released here under a "CC-NC-ND" license, which means it cannot be used in a commercial way, nor can derivative works be made (unless otherwise excepted). A foreign translation is a "derivative work" and thus would not be allowed outright.

However, I can grant specific permission for people to translate the material from this repo into a foreign language. I am willing to do so, on a case-by-case basis, provided the content is not changed, is not used commercially (for sale), and is given back to this public repo. So, please email me (getify on gmail) and we will work that out. :)

On the other hand, if you'd like to make a commercial translation of the fully published work, you would contact O'Reilly and request to purchase the license to do so from them.

Hope that clears everything up! :)

[dandv]

@cirocosta, @yuanyan: please consider the downsides and long-term detrimental effects before translating into languages other than English.

[cirocosta]

@dandv thanks for linking this! That article from Jeff Atwood you referenced is great. I've actually changed my mind between the day i added that comment here and today :smiley:

[dandv]

@cirocosta: :+1: Good to see wisdom. See also my final sentence here :)

[ceoaliongroo]

Hi @getify, for me the idea is not clear.

You want and could do access to this github repository, to do the translation?

[getify]

If you want to do a foreign language translation for free, do so by forking this repo, making all your changes publicly to that repo, then making a PR back here to this repo.

[ceoaliongroo]

Great! thanks for the answer.

[kosson]

@dandv Sometimes there are facets very difficult cu comprehend, and the best thing to have at hand is some documentation in your own language. That is establishing a context for a quicker apprehension of some red hearing topics. I was bit by the bug of translating YDKJS in our own language... still contemplating. P.S. Baby steps is always best in your mother tongue.

[dandv]

Salut Nicule,

What facets if I may ask? This is software development, not German
philosophy with untranslatable words. The keywords are in English. Most
docs are in English. By translating into other languages, you're not only
wasting your time but depriving others of good motivation to learn English.

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 08:26 Nicolaie Constantinescu <
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@dandv https://github.com/dandv Sometimes there are facets very
difficult cu comprehend, and the best thing to have at hand is some
documentation in your own language. That is establishing a context for a
quicker apprehension of some red hearing topics. I was bit by the bug of
translating YDKJS in our own language... still contemplating.

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[kosson]

Salut,
I refer to facets to the many aspects a particular topic would present to the one learning the language. I agree with the full involvement with the learning materials in English, but on the other hand I have some experience with those people who would find it faster if a tough to crack concept would be presented in their own language. I have some experience with evangelizing Open Educational Resources in Romania, and this particular supplementary aid was raised many times. This is the reason I've started the following repo: JavaScript, învăț eu, înveți și tu

[hectorip]

Salut Nicule,

What facets if I may ask? This is software development, not German
philosophy with untranslatable words. The keywords are in English. Most
docs are in English. By translating into other languages, you're not only
wasting your time but depriving others of good motivation to learn English.

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 08:26 Nicolaie Constantinescu <
[email protected]> wrote:

@dandv https://github.com/dandv Sometimes there are facets very
difficult cu comprehend, and the best thing to have at hand is some
documentation in your own language. That is establishing a context for a
quicker apprehension of some red hearing topics. I was bit by the bug of
translating YDKJS in our own language... still contemplating.
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That is a very short-sighted point of view. I agree that every decent developer should learn an even code in English, but sometimes, there are developers that are struggling enough to learn the basics of something like JS (and don't know English) to add more to their burden, forcing them to study a language they don't know at the same time they are trying to study and learn a programming language.

[dandv]

Perhaps they should focus on learning one thing at a time.