Problem-specifications: Inappropriate language. Use neutral & child friendly test copy.

[jesserwright]

https://github.com/exercism/rust/blob/da24f9af56e1d52196562dedcf021f781e9d873e/exercises/bob/tests/bob.rs#L58

"Let's go make out behind the gym!" and the use of the word "HELL" I consider to be inappropriate for audiences of all ages. Let's keep it family friendly.

Please use friendly and neutral tests. Thanks :)

canonical-data.json

[coriolinus]

Good point. However, this isn't the right repo for this issue: these tests derive from the canonical data for this exercise. I'm going to move this issue to that repo.

[SaschaMann]

I'm not sure how a forceful question can be friendly and neutral?

[rpottsoh]

Old:

    {
      "description": "talking forcefully",
      "property": "response",
      "input": {
        "heyBob": "Let's go make out behind the gym!"
      },
      "expected": "Whatever."
    },

Proposed New:

    {
      "description": "talking forcefully",
      "property": "response",
      "input": {
        "heyBob": "You're about to miss your chance for free ice cream!"
      },
      "expected": "Whatever."
    },

Old:

    {
      "description": "forceful question",
      "property": "response",
      "input": {
        "heyBob": "WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?"
      },
      "expected": "Calm down, I know what I'm doing!"
    },

Proposed New:

    {
      "description": "forceful question",
      "property": "response",
      "input": {
        "heyBob": "WHAT IN THE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS GOING ON AROUND HERE?"
      },
      "expected": "Calm down, I know what I'm doing!"
    },

[SaschaMann]

I have no idea what "what in the wide world of sports" is meant to mean, nor have I ever heard it before. If we're gonna make the language friendlier, could we perhaps stick to globally understood expressions rather than what I assume is an american saying or some kind of in-joke? "What the hell" works great for this and doesn't contain swear words (unlike "what the fuck") but if that's inappropriate for whatever reason, perhaps there are other alternatives to it that aren't only understood by a certain group of english speakers.

[iHiD]

@jesserwright Thanks for bringing this up. We'll get it changed.

@rpottsoh. Thanks. Let's go with shorter variations of what you suggest:

"heyBob": "Hi there!"
"heyBob": "WHAT GOING ON?"

Everyone ok with that?

FYI: Edited

[iHiD]

Sidenote: @SaschaMann Agree entirely with keeping things simple and globally friendly. Also, "Hell" would be considered swearing in some cultures (there is zero chance I'd say that around my parents for example).

[SaschaMann]

That doesn't sound forceful to me. "What is going on around here?" is used in many contexts where it's not forceful, the caps just makes it seem loud, but not necessarily forceful. Maybe "WHAT ON EARTH...?"?

I still find it a bit funny that on a platform named "Exercism", the word "hell" is supposedly not friendly enough

[iHiD]

@SaschaMann Thanks. Updated it again.

[iHiD]

@rpottsoh You want to execute this? I'll ping the #maintainers channel on Slack and ask people to update when it's on master.

[SaschaMann]

Sidenote: @SaschaMann Agree entirely with keeping things simple and globally friendly.

On that note, perhaps change the DMV cases, too, while we're at it?

[iHiD]

Yes. Can we change DMV to Dentist (I have no idea what DMV is but it sounds like "Dentist" fits to replace it)?

[yawpitch]

Department of Motor Vehicles... common name in the various States for the automotive licensing authority, known outside the States, if at all, largely from the fact that it’s the name Hollywood uses for a hellishly Draconian bureaucracy staffed entirely by people who want to do the least possible with any movement.

So kind of like dentists.
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Yes. Can we change DMV to Dentist (I have no idea what DMV is but it sounds like "Dentist" fits to replace it)?
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[iHiD]

Thanks @yawpitch! I found that as the first acronym online but had no idea why that would be a bad thing! :)

[sshine]

"You're about to miss your chance for free ice cream!"

"WHAT IN THE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS GOING ON AROUND HERE?"

I'm intolerant to lactose and attempts to ~excuse~ mask profanity, so these suggestions offend me.

Why not "Hi there!" and "WHAT'S GOING ON?"

[yawpitch]

Thanks @yawpitch! I found that as the first acronym online but had no idea why that would be a bad thing! :)

Watch the sloth scene in Zootopia at half speed, you’re looking at the California DMV in action.

[iHiD]

@sshine Even better. I've updated my post again :)

[iHiD]

If anyone else wants to PR this before @rpottsoh gets to it, then feel free. I don't understand this repo so I'm not going to though :)

[SaschaMann]

Neither of those sound forceful, they're just greetings (the latter in a louder environment).

[rpottsoh]

Just reading through the latest posts.... Is there a consensus? Obviously my ideas are not liked (I am not offended in the slightest, just spit balling).

[rpottsoh]

"Hi there!" and "WHAT'S GOING ON? seem to be the favored replacements. I will see about opening a PR this evening with these suggestions.

[rpottsoh]

I have no idea what "what in the wide world of sports" is meant to mean, nor have I ever heard it before.

@SaschaMann actor Slim Pickens from the movie Blazing Saddles. But that doesn't really matter I understand your point.

[coriolinus]

Neither of those sound forceful

@SaschaMann Forcefulness is largely a cultural artifact. What would be forceful, but polite, speech in the context of, say, the Army, can come across as offensively impolite in another context which we might call California. I've gotten in trouble for that in the past.

Luckily, we don't expect students to perform sentiment analysis on the text, just pick up on the punctuation and capitalization. I think we can safely discard the question of whether the proposed text sounds forceful in all contexts.

@rpottsoh It appears to me that there is general consensus in favor of the options you've identified.

[SaschaMann]

The DMV change is still missing: https://github.com/exercism/problem-specifications/issues/1630#issuecomment-575342265

[rpottsoh]

You are correct! I was fixated on the two primary cases. I'll open another PR.