Pcsx2: Meta: Cases of SuperVU compatibility outperforming microVU

Created on 22 Oct 2016 · 35Comments · Source: PCSX2/pcsx2

As per #1622, this thread is to track all known cases where the newer VU dynarec (microVU) - meant to be more accurate - is less compatible than the older VU dynarec (SuperVU).

Here's what's already listed in the other thread:

[x] DT Racer (PAL) - ~Infinite loop on the PAL 50/60 selector screen if you use microVU, but works fine on SuperVU. Swapping to microVU later has the same effect.~ Only broken in MTVU, game had other problems, fixed in master as of 25/10/20
Edit: Previously fixed, however incompatible with MTVU.
[x] Driving Emotion Type-S - ~Different behaviour on each course. microVU goes back to the browser in BIOS when loading one race, sends cars flying/jumping off course after a certain point in another; SuperVU works without issue. _Has M-Flag Issue_~ fixed in #3864
[x] State of Emergency 2 - ~When you move camera most of the graphics disappear if vu0 is set to microvu but works fine with supervu. _Has M-Flag Issue_~ Fixed in #3864
[x] Monopoly Party - ~Whole Monopoly board is missing if VU1 is set to microVU. It's fine with SuperVU.~ Works fine with MicroVU as of June 2018, needs VU Clamping set to None. Added to GameDB.
[x] The Getaway: Black Monday - ~Enemies are able to shoot you through walls with microVU. You're safe with superVU.~ False positive. _Has M-Flag issue_~ Fixed in #3864
[x] Shadow of Zorro - ~Texture corruption and GIF Packet Overflow if VU1 is set to microVU. Works fine with VU1 Interp. or SuperVU.~ Fixed in https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/pull/3660
[x] Full Spectrum Warrior - ~Stretching/Spikey textures if VU1 is set to microVU. It's fine with superVU.~ False positive. The game needs the mVU Flag Hack to be disabled, it updates the status register.
[x] The Simpsons Game - ~Stretching textures if VU1 is set to microVU.~ Works fine with MicroVU as of Nov 2017.
[x] Batman Vengeance - ~SPS and ingame crashing issue with MicroVU.~ - Fixed in https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/pull/3539

Bug Meta Issue micro VU

Source

rz5

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All 35 comments

Fixed Driving Emotion Type-S erroneously stating it crashes with SuperVU.

EDIT: Also removed FIFA 2003. Works just fine with MicroVU and Clamping Mode set to Extra.

@refractionpcsx2 Wiki states DT Racer has been fixed by one of your commits last year: http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/DT_Racer

FlatOutPS2 on 22 Oct 2016

Fixed Driving Emotion Type-S erroneously stating it crashes with SuperVU.

but it DOES crash, i tested it, thats why it said that :P

@refractionpcsx2 Wiki states DT Racer has been fixed by one of your commits last year: http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/DT_Racer

Well, I've broken it again then :P

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 22 Oct 2016

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but it DOES crash, i tested it, thats why it said that :P

But it doesn't though. I've played the game dozens of times, including very recently.

FlatOutPS2 on 22 Oct 2016

But it doesn't though. I've played the game dozens of times, including very recently.

You're right, it's a GSDX bug when using DX11 HW.

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 22 Oct 2016

You're right, it's a GSDX bug when using DX11 HW.

Does it require a specific setting or circumstance? Because I haven't had a GSdx related crash either. I'm pretty sure I've played it in DX11 HW too. :p

FlatOutPS2 on 22 Oct 2016

No idea, these are the settings i had, then i just X'd all the way through and it crashed just after the race listing

drvemot

Just switching to OGL(HW) worked fine (although there is some mess on the screen)

Edit: So you know the only HW Hack on is Fast Invalidation

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 22 Oct 2016

Edit: So you know the only HW Hack on is Fast Invalidation

And that's causing the crash. :p It's a pretty harsh C++ runtime error crash too. You don't see those that often.

FlatOutPS2 on 22 Oct 2016

Yeah it's quite evil, maybe @gregory38 needs to have a look :p

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 22 Oct 2016

microVU goes back to the disc selection in BIOS

Do you mean the Browser? I don't think there is a "disc selection" in the BIOS.

uyjulian on 22 Oct 2016

Do you mean the Browser? I don't think there is a "disc selection" in the BIOS.

Yeh he means that.

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 22 Oct 2016

So here's a funny story, I just went to fix DT Racer and now it works? What the hell...

Edit: Ahhh okay, it doesn't work if MTVU is enabled, we can scratch that one off the list then..

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 23 Oct 2016

What about the Dawn Of Mana wiki issue? "There's an issue with this game regarding microVU1 where it reaches its cache limit. When this does happen, the game suffers from performance drops. " The workaround is using SuperVU. I believe it was posted by @Ryudo300 . Similar cache limit issues pop up in other games as well.

FlatOutPS2 on 23 Oct 2016

@refractionpcsx2 Does it crash in openGL ?

gregory38 on 23 Oct 2016

@gregory38 Oh bugger, that's a good point, it doesn't, nevermind :p

@FlatOutPS2 not for the moment, that's a separate issue similar to scarface, for now we just need to concentrate on games which don't work

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 23 Oct 2016

Oh bugger, that's a good point, it doesn't, nevermind :p

It still shouldn't crash in DX11 though.

FlatOutPS2 on 23 Oct 2016

No but there's no point in asking gregory about that :p

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 23 Oct 2016

@rz5 Did you test State of Emergency 2 yourself? I didn't find much information about the issue. The SuperVU solution isn't on the wiki yet, and there's still an active bug report about the issue on the forum that's so old SuperVU didn't even boot the game back then.

FlatOutPS2 on 23 Oct 2016

@FlatOutPS2 : State of emergency 2 was added by me and it was recently tested.

prafullpcsx2 on 23 Oct 2016

State of emergency 2 was added by me and it was recently tested.

The NTSC-U version? If so, we can close the bug report on the forum: http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Bug-Report-State-of-Emergency-2-NTSC-U

FlatOutPS2 on 23 Oct 2016

The NTSC-U version? If so, we can close the bug report on the forum.

Yes, please close that bug report.

prafullpcsx2 on 23 Oct 2016

Added monopoly party to this list. Since the bug is similar to fifa 2003 I was hoping clamping extra may fix the problem but it doesn't.

prafullpcsx2 on 9 Nov 2016

Added The Getaway: Black Monday.

FlatOutPS2 on 12 Nov 2016

Added The Getaway: Black Monday.

I'm guessing none of the EE/VU clamping makes a difference?

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 13 Nov 2016

Added Full Spectrum Warrior, updated Driving Emotion Type-S.

FlatOutPS2 on 10 Jan 2017

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The Simpsons Game seems to have a bug when it's run under MicroVU recompiler at VU1. (Thanks to umisery from our discord group for mentioning about it)

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ssakash on 11 Jul 2017

That must be new because I haven't noticed that bug at all. Is that your screenshot or theirs?

It's not mine, a member from our discord group took it.

$refractionpcsx2 picture$ refractionpcsx2 on 12 Jul 2017

Also to note for "The Getaway: Black Monday" this is only for VU0. You can still use microVU on VU1.

Did anyone test the prequel "The Getaway"? It might suffer the same issue.

lightningterror on 15 Jul 2017

Fifa 08 (and possibily other FIFAs) doesn't work with microVU on VU1 if MTVU is enabled. But setting VU1 SuperVU with MTVU it works! I don't know if it's a MTVU or a MicroVu issue. Just wanted to point it out.

LoStraniero91 on 22 Jul 2017

The Simpsons game don't anymore need the supervu to work, it work perfectly fine with vu0 and vu1 on microvu even with mtvu.

atomic83GitHub on 27 Nov 2017

@atomic83GitHub, ok thanks for the heads-up.
@ssakash, @FlatOutPS2 if you have a dump of the Simpsons game or if you can contact user umisery on the PCSX2 forums to retest it, we can checkmark this one too on the OP.

rz5 on 30 Nov 2017

@rz5 I just modified the checklist. Btw, FlatOut has been gone for ~8 months FYI 😛

MrCK1 on 30 Nov 2017

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Updated status of Full Spectrum Warrior and Monopoly Party based on recent tests.

Note to self: Turn off hacks before testing games for 6+ hours :P

MrCK1 on 30 Jun 2018

Just a quick update for those outside of Discord:

State of Emergency 2 and Driving Emotion Type-S make use of the status flags (making them incompatible with the mVU Flag Hack) but have issues with the M Flag "optimization". Forcing it to true resolves the issues in both games and removes them from being dependent on sVU. A proper fix is still being looked into for the time being.

MrCK1 on 9 Jul 2018

Seems like a game is missing, Batman Vengeance is incompatible with MicroVU, using it will result in a lot of SPS and a crash after some time when going ingame.

atomic83GitHub on 25 May 2020

Driving Emotion Type-S: Further reports on what race/tracks goes back to browser/BIOS and what ones have flying cars can be viewed in #3694. It's a bit incomplete though, since I don't have an all-unlocked save to test further what tracks work and what don't - in particular one track (Suzuka East) seems to work.