@johncmarshall54 has suggested we switch to a full equation of state for seawater for LESbrary simulations as temperature and salinity profiles from state estimates may not be statically stable in Oceananigans when using a linear equation of state. The Roquet et al. (2015a) idealized nonlinear equation of state should be better. Ideally we would use the same equation of state as ECCO/SOSE I think, but TEOS-10 should be what we aim for I suppose.
I think we have a couple of options:
In implementing a pure Julia TEOS-10 equation of state we should make sure it can be shared between Oceananigans and CliMA Ocean (cc @blallen).
cc @jm-c @christophernhill @glwagner @rafferrari who might have suggestions or comments.
@leios Do you think evaluating a 52-term polynomial at every grid point will be problematic on the GPU? I imagine GPUs should be fast at evaluating polynomials but maybe we have to be smart about storing the coefficients in memory?
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I also think it’s a good idea to use a full equation of state for all simulations sooner rather than later. It’s simpler: we won’t have to report constants of linearization everywhere. And setting up simulations will be easier.
I’ll defer to the modelers for whether Roquet’s approximation is an acceptable model for TEOS-10.
This package is relevant and we should consider contributing to it rather than implementing an equation of state somewhere in the Clima ecosystem:
In implementing a pure Julia TEOS-10 equation of state we should make sure it can be shared between Oceananigans and CliMA Ocean (cc @blallen).
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This package is relevant and we should consider contributing to it rather than implementing an equation of state somewhere in the Clima ecosystem:
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Whatever we do should be shared between Oceananigans and Clima. Either a custom implementation or using the PhysOcean.jl package is fine by me.
The Roquet’s approximation is perfectly sufficient for Oceananigans, because it will never be used for global calculations where local approximations are an issue. However I agree with everybody else that it would be best to use the same EOS in Ocenanigans and Climate_Ocean. in that case we should adopt TEOS-10. Be warned that it is quite inefficient through. So we may be hit performance-wise. Hard to tell without trying.
Raffaele
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I also think it’s a good idea to use a full equation of state for all simulations sooner rather than later. It’s simpler: we won’t have to report constants of linearization everywhere. And setting up simulations will be easier.
I’ll defer to the modelers for whether Roquet’s approximation is an acceptable model for TEOS-10.
This package is relevant and we should consider contributing to it rather than implementing an equation of state somewhere in the Clima ecosystem:
https://github.com/gher-ulg/PhysOcean.jl https://github.com/gher-ulg/PhysOcean.jl
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The Roquet’s approximation is perfectly sufficient for Oceananigans,
because it will never be used for global calculations where local
approximations are an issue. However I agree with everybody else that it
would be best to use the same EOS in Ocenanigans and Climate_Ocean. in that
case we should adopt TEOS-10. Be warned that it is quite inefficient
through. So we may be hit performance-wise. Hard to tell without trying.Raffaele
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wrote:I also think it’s a good idea to use a full equation of state for all
simulations sooner rather than later. It’s simpler: we won’t have to report
constants of linearization everywhere. And setting up simulations will be
easier.I’ll defer to the modelers for whether Roquet’s approximation is an
acceptable model for TEOS-10.This package is relevant and we should consider contributing to it
rather than implementing an equation of state somewhere in the Clima
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https://github.com/gher-ulg/PhysOcean.jl>
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What does J-M think?
Talked to @jm-c earlier today who agreed that the Roquet et al. (2015b) 52-term polynomial approximation to TEOS-10 is a good choice.
Although he did point out that ECCO and SOSE are probably using an older pre-TEOS-10 equation of state (from 1995 or 2003 based on the EOS-80 but for potential temperature I think?).
The Roquet’s approximation is perfectly sufficient for Oceananigans, because it will never be used for global calculations where local approximations are an issue. However I agree with everybody else that it would be best to use the same EOS in Ocenanigans and Climate_Ocean. in that case we should adopt TEOS-10. Be warned that it is quite inefficient through. So we may be hit performance-wise. Hard to tell without trying.
Thanks for the feedback @rafferrari. I talked to @leios earlier today and we think it shouldn't be a problem on the GPU. It's just straight up number crunching so it might benefit from being run on a GPU. But we can make sure by doing a quick benchmark.
Ali,
This is a correct transcript of what I said earlier.
Cheers,
Jean-Michel
On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 07:21:21PM -0700, Ali Ramadhan wrote:
What does J-M think?
Talked to @jm-c earlier today who agreed that the Roquet et al. (2015b) 52-term polynomial approximation to TEOS-10 is a good choice.
Although he did point out that ECCO and SOSE are probably using an older pre-TEOS-10 equation of state (from 1995 or 2003 based on the EOS-80 but for potential temperature I think?).
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