Newpipe: Disable "gesture" volume and brightness control by default

[ilia3101]

It's really annoying and an acquired taste. Most people for sure hate it. Much less useful than it is annoying (bad ux).

BTW newpipe is amazing and I love it, probably my favourite app. This is just the only thing that bothers me, I always have to disable it.

[Stypox]

I also never use gestures, but from my experience assumptions like "most people hate them" often turn out to be wrong. Vlc has them enabled by default, too, so I think keeping the current behavour is ok

[B0pol]

I disagree. Personally i really enjoy these gestures, for example luminosity: you first have to open the notification menu, but also set the luminosity in it. That means you may need to set the luminosity twice, because you didn't see how it renders in live.
With gestures, just swipe. Wow the video is too bright, let's just swipe down. Easy and fast.

[ghost]

I hate the gestures. My mom also has problems with these controls, I told her about the gestures but it always messes up her viewing experience when just touching the screen and I have to run down the stairs to show her how it works and reset everything. Finally I just turned it off for her. Which means the default should be OFF here.

[ilia3101]

Sorry if I came off rude at all. @Stypox You are right, assumptions are hard to make correctly. Maybe a poll of newpipe users could be done?

And another issue with gestures that I forgot to mention: quickly swiping down from the top of the screen just to see the notification icons and clock triggers the gestures too, and volume goes way down sometimes.

[Stypox]

Maybe a poll of newpipe users could be done?

I was thinking about this, too. Maybe something on the website? Would we be allowed to collect feedback there given the GDPR regulation? @TobiGr @TheAssassin

And another issue with gestures that I forgot to mention: quickly swiping down from the top of the screen just to see the notification icons and clock triggers the gestures too, and volume goes way down sometimes.

This is fixed in 0.19.4

[TheAssassin]

Maybe a poll of newpipe users could be done?

There's no reason not to do so. Just make sure to use a privacy-friendly tool, which also has a proper privacy policy.

[wb9688]

What about just using GitHub reactions? I.e. react with :+1: or :-1: on this message.

[Stypox]

@wb9688 how many people who use NewPipe, also take a look at its repository to check issues and give feedback? Some surely do, but most people don't even know how GitHub works. I meant that there could be a more mainstream way to vote on active issues, with a proper ui and accessible by anyone, so that the vote can be more representative of the user base.

[wb9688]

@Stypox: How many people look at our website? I know I basically never do. Also, it not hard to click on :-1: or :+1:. And with our own website, how will we guarantee someone only votes once?

[Stypox]

Maybe we could put a button in NewPipe's drawer advertising that users can cast their vote on the website

[ghost]

I actually think we should just go to Reddit, for example, /r/privacytoolsio which has privacy minded people and whom actually use NewPipe for obvious reasons. And make the poll from there.

I created a POLL

[Stypox]

@ingingin there are no checks for duplicate votes, if I wanted I could just vote 100 times. Using Reddit for polls seems good idea, does it support built-in polls (maybe through bots)?

[ghost]

Reddit doesn't use polls, which is sad. I did find Redditpoll But it's HTTP, and isn't a privacy minded service either. That poll I gave you is the only one privacy focused- which is also why there probably isn't any way to detect 'duplicate votes'. It doesn't store cookies or collect information, like IPs

[TheAssassin]

@ingingin random tools make no sense, and please don't create polls on behalf of the NewPipe project, this gives a wrong impression and we take no responsibility for third party poll stuff. Your enthusiasm is admirable, but maybe take a step back, we'll set up a proper poll if we need one.

Reddit makes no sense either. Just gives people access who want to sign up with such a service.

[ghost]

@TheAssassin What the fuck, don't talk to me like that. I am trying to help but would rather give you the finger, I am trying to help here, creating a poll is what I did to show how it looks. Take all the credit if you care so much. I was never invited anyways

[ghost]

You even said it yourself;

There's no reason not to do so. Just make sure to use a privacy-friendly tool, which also has a proper privacy policy.

And I found one, be glad now

[ilia3101]

@ingingin You are not as important as you think you are. Newpipe team have zero obligation to instantly accept things done on their behalf. They don't even get to see the results of that poll you, some 15 day old user, created.

[androidSwDev099]

The gesture settings are retained through updates for me, so I don't understand the issue. I have the volume gesture on and the brightness gesture off. Default on makes sense so new users know they exist.

[puppykickr]

Personally, myself a long time user, I despise the gestures.

There is not much more annoying than having the volume and brightness
controls screwed up each time the screen is touched.

Phone slips in the hand? Volume all the way up. Or vise-versa. Change hands
holding device? Brightness all the way down. Or vice-versa. Each is
annoying.

Perhaps an anouncement toast upon initial app start to notify new users of
the presence of this 'feature'.

I, for one, thank God that there is a way to turn this off, in addition for
NewPipe as a whole.

Grant Ryan Swan (puppykicker)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 08:43 androidSwDev099 [e-mail] wrote:

The gesture settings are retained through updates for me, so I don't
understand the issue. I have the volume gesture on and the brightness
gesture off. Default on makes sense so new people know they exist.

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[androidSwDev099]

New users should go through the settings to learn what they can do with the app. ☺️

[ilia3101]

If something puts off new users, it should be disabled by defualt. ☺️

(so we should find out if it does)

[androidSwDev099]

Won't ever be able to please all users no matter what the default settings are.

[ilia3101]

It's confusing because it is a very unusual software control, that's just the truth. A feature that is very likely to confuse or infuriate some new users is better turned off by default.

At the very least, an explanation/some kind of tip should show up when the app is first opened.

@puppykickr describes the situation perfectly.

Phone slips in the hand? Volume all the way up. Or vise-versa. Change hands
holding device? Brightness all the way down. Or vice-versa. Each is
annoying.

[B0pol]

Unusual? Definitely not unusual for video players, see VLC, MX Player, MPV…

[ChiefMikeK]

Personally, myself a long time user, I despise the gestures. There is not much more annoying than having the volume and brightness controls screwed up each time the screen is touched. Phone slips in the hand? Volume all the way up. Or vise-versa. Change hands holding device? Brightness all the way down. Or vice-versa. Each is annoying. Perhaps an anouncement toast upon initial app start to notify new users of the presence of this 'feature'. I, for one, thank God that there is a way to turn this off, in addition for NewPipe as a whole. Grant Ryan Swan (puppykicker)

My thoughts🏝 A delay of a few hundred milliseconds upon accidentally touching the screen but, only for an _increase_ in volume / luminous

I prefer to have an instant lowering of volume and dislike an accidental full volume!

[theFireProjet]

I'm using the gestures. I'm used to it from VLC and I think it's useful if your phone is standing somewhere and the volume keys are on the wrong side, at the bottom so you can't reach them.
Also my phone has a video enhancer mode which makes the screen massively brighter on the same brightness value, so it is useful to be able to readjust this within the player. Also I don't like to pull down the bright, white notification bar to tune the brightness while watching videos cause it's blinding.

[puppykickr]

@ChiefMikeK
I kind of like your idea.
Especially if the delay was adjustable, similar to how it is done on a keyboard alternate.

The more I think of it, the more I like it.

But I would also want the delay for decreases, as well.

There could even be a different time allotment for the longpress required for each.

Obviously this would increase the complexity of the app, and in setting it up.

But, as stated above by others, many popular video apps have this feature- and almost every keyboard app has a similar feature that deals with the timing of a longpress.

[ort163]

+1 for Brightness gesture be disabled (by default). Not sure if you need to remove it altogether.

Volume gesture IMHO you can keep it.

[ilia3101]

Unusual? Definitely not unusual for video players, see VLC, MX Player, MPV…

Sure, but Google/Netflix/Amazon/Apple would have added such a feature to their video-related apps by now if it benefitted the user experience. These companies do research on this stuff because user experience can affect their profits.

[androidSwDev099]

Unusual? Definitely not unusual for video players, see VLC, MX Player, MPV…

Sure, but Google/Netflix/Amazon/Apple would have added such a feature to their video-related apps by now if it benefitted the user experience. These companies do research on this stuff because user experience can affect their profits.

I was using both the brightness and volume controls on my LG phones video player today. It benefited me to have those controls there as I used them both while watching a videos. No amount of research is going to satisfy all users and since these gestures can be disabled in NewPipe - everyone can be happy. I'm sure this debate will go on endlessly despite the fact that they can be disabled.

[Sonickyle27]

Other apps I've used come with a sort of introduction sequence to what the app does and shows to the user some basic settings. Something like Davx5 comes to mind. It's been a while since I've set up NewPipe so I don't know if NewPipe has this already?

A setting for Gestures can be provided in this introduction, with a slide dedicated to showing the gesture controls. The page could have a radio button with a description next to it says something like:

"Drag up and down on the left side of the current video to change the brightness, and drag up and down on the right side of the video to change the volume."

And then a second radio button that says:

"Disable gesture controls on the video player."

There could be a graphic showing this in action, I guess looking similar to the gestures video in Android 10.

At least with this introduction, you get the choice of if you want gesture controls enabled or not when you first run the app, and it doubles as a tutorial for how the gestures work too!

I'm not a UI/UX expert but I do appreciate it when apps let me configure/set them up when I first open the app by showing me some basic settings.

[MD77MD]

Unusual? Definitely not unusual for video players, see VLC, MX Player, MPV…

Sure, but Google/Netflix/Amazon/Apple would have added such a feature to their video-related apps by now if it benefitted the user experience. These companies do research on this stuff because user experience can affect their profits.

We wouldn't be using newPipe if they did things right... big companys with stupid minds... the only thing they are good at is collecting 💰

beside, could you be more specific to what apps are you referring to?

[ilia3101]

would wouldn't be using newPipe if they did things right... big companys with stupid minds... the only thing they are good at is collecting 💰

That's irrelevant. What's relevant is that they make apps most people can happily use in the default configuration.

And this feature, is really annoying. I am almost certain it has put some new users off. I know just how quickly I'll stop using an app if I dislike something. If not for the popup player, I probably would've given up on newpipe instantly.

A setting for Gestures can be provided in this introduction, with a slide dedicated to showing the gesture controls.

This would be a really great solution.

[MD77MD]

That's irrelevant. What's relevant is that they make apps most people can happily use in the default configuration.

Yes it is, if we were happy by the way they make things, you and me would not be here... we wouldn't even need to have newPipe...

anyway, i think a clear indication to what people like more, could be extracted from what every video app out there has by default, that is gestures on by default. on the other hand, if most people did not like gestures, developers of those apps would have so much complaints, that they would have them off by default, but they don't. so this should definitely be the default setting .