Name-suggestion-index: Rite Aid and CVS (pharmacies) missing.

[BjornRasmussen]

Both Rite aid and CVS pharmacies are missing from the Name Suggestion Index. They should have the following:

Rite Aid:

"amenity/pharmacy|Rite Aid": {
"countryCodes": ["us"],
"tags": {
"amenity": "pharmacy",
"brand": "Rite Aid",
"brand:wikidata": "Q3433273",
"brand:wikipedia": "en:Rite Aid",
"healthcare": "pharmacy",
"name": "Rite Aid"
}
}

CVS Pharmacy

"amenity/pharmacy|CVS": {
"countryCodes": ["us"],
"tags": {
"amenity": "pharmacy",
"brand": "CVS",
"brand:wikidata": "Q2078880",
"brand:wikipedia": "en:CVS Pharmacy",
"healthcare": "pharmacy",
"name": "CVS"
}
}

According to taginfo, name=CVS is used 3340 times, while name=CVS Pharmacy is only used 767 times, so I think that "CVS" is a better name to use.

I hope this is helpful.

[kymckay]

re: CVS

I think those name=CVS entities could be many different things though and not just the pharmacy. Good info though, but I have to wonder why not submit as a PR?

[BjornRasmussen]

Good info though, but I have to wonder why not submit as a PR?

I am new to github and am not sure how the whole process works yet.
As for the name, I think that "CVS Pharmacy" is better than "CVS", but assumed that whatever is more widely used already is better to use.

[Adamant36]

@BjornRasmussen, there's a semi guide on how to do things in the contributing file. It doesn't cover Git, but if you have any questions about that or other things not covered in the file, feel free to ask. Both @SilentSpike and I would be happy to assist you if need be.

[1ec5]

Note that some CVS locations omit the “Pharmacy” from signage because they don’t offer pharmacy services. However, I suppose some pharmacy locations also omit “Pharmacy” for space reasons.

[Adamant36]

@1ec5, thanks for bringing it up. I mentioned it in another issue, but I totally forgot to refrence it here.

Maybe they should be two different entries. One as a convience store and the other as a pharmacy. Although the fact that they omit the word "pharmacy" from some signs for space reasons even if they provide pharmacy services kind of muddies things a little.

[BjornRasmussen]

So, should CVS have the name and brand "CVS"? I am not sure about additional tagging, since only some CVS locations have pharmacies. Perhaps using convenience store on all would be a good idea. Considering that CVS sells all sorts of junk food like Doritos and Pop tarts (to make you sick?), I would say that convenience store is quite accurate.

[1ec5]

There’s some other discussion about drugstores in openstreetmap/iD#4127. Some mappers (and iD, in a way) prefer to indicate the overall store as a shop=chemist and only the pharmacy desk as an amenity=pharmacy. (The non-pharmacy CVS locations would be shop=chemist only.) Encoding this style in presets is problematic, though: ordinary people don’t think of the store as two POIs, so they leave out one or the other unintentionally.

[Adamant36]

shop=chemist doesn't seem right. Since they don't exclusively sell " over-the-counter drugs, personal hygiene (toothpastes, shampoos, soaps etc.), cosmetics (usually cheaper ones), and household cleaning products" when they don't have the pharmacy attached. Its about half that and half donuts, alcohol, and other products that will make you need to pharmacy store. Plus seasonal things like lawn chairs, garden equipment, and tacky Halloween bric-a-brac. None of which is covered by the chemist tag (or really the convenience tag either in my opinion due to not being "A small local shop"). Supermarket seems more appropriate.

ordinary people don’t think of the store as two POIs, so they leave out one or the other unintentionally.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Often times the main store has a different number, hours, etc from the pharmacy. So its useful to tag both of them as separate POI's. Which I have seen done in many places. Also, some pharmacies lease the space from the store, but are essentially a different brand (kind of how Starbucks or banks do in some supermarkets).

[1ec5]

Often times the main store has a different number, hours, etc from the pharmacy. So its useful to tag both of them as separate POI's.

I get that, but at the same time, there’s apparently a disconnect from what lay people perceive as a pharmacy POI when the brands do match. That is, people equate a POI with an overall store location. Otherwise, the tag usage trends would look a bit different. Perhaps it’s because tagging the pharmacy counter is a form of indoor mapping, but people generally aren’t thinking about indoor mapping when they’re mapping these stores in the first place. (I’m sure it’s different for store-within-a-store concepts, like CVS pharmacies inside Target hypermarkets.)

If this project has two entries for CVS – one tagged amenity=chemist (or shop=convenience or whatever) and the other amenity=pharmacy – I just think it’s likely that many CVS locations will only be mapped as one or the other, especially by mappers who are inclined to tag a building as the POI rather than a standalone node.

It’s an editor usability problem that can’t be solved by the name suggestion index alone. Until we get past that issue, I think we should ensure that consumers like iD give the amenity=pharmacy entry more prominence than the other one. After all, some people might think of the whole store as a pharmacy, but no one would think of the pharmacy counter as a convenience store.

[Adamant36]

I could probably come up with an intelligent retort to all that, but I don't really have the energy for it right now.

According to overpass turbo 2992 out of 3341 things tagged as name=CVS also have the amenity=pharmacy tag. So that seems like a high enough amount to just make an include (or whatever) exception in the entry for CVS Pharmacy and combine them. At least until they are actually mapped as separate (only 153 are tagged as shop=convenience, 0 for amenity=chemist, and 16 as shop=supermarket. Its important to go with established tagging (the larger amount of them not tagged as name=CVS Pharmacy is probably due to local preference and the fact that people tend to leave out the small print in business names).

(btw, what I meant is go with CVS since it has more usage 3,341 versus about 1000 for CVS pharmacy and have CVS pharmacy as an include exception or whatever, but go with the amenity=pharmacy tag for it. Since that's what they are tagged with).

[1ec5]

Oh, I agree with you about following the predominant tagging, which is to use amenity=pharmacy and ignore the separate shop=chemist (not amenity=chemist) style that iD calls “drugstore” for now. I don’t have a strong opinion about including or excluding “Pharmacy” from the name. (There’s other examples, like “Kroger Food & Drug”, but that ship has sailed.) Perhaps my viewpoint got muddied up in trying to explain where that iD discussion left off; sorry about that.

[maxerickson]

I use dispensing_hours to map the opening hours for the counters in those stores.

For grocers and supermarkets it makes more sense to me to add a node.

Not very consistent I guess.

[Adamant36]

Both Rite Aid and CVS are in there now. So I'm closing this. Thanks for providing the information, along with the disscussion.