Hi guys. Add the corner block stairs, it is very useful. This block of Minecraft using a great deal to build buildings, and generic structures such as roofs, gardens, and more.
Here's one that I found screenshots on the official forum.
In mod "moreblocks" it is already present this block, but I think it would be very useful to include this block in Minetest_Game. I think makes Minetest even more complete, and all that is useful to build is a good thing for the improvement of the vanilla game.
Thank you all, and I sincerely hope to have made a request useful, which is appreciated by the community.
SpaghettiDeveloper
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@SpaghettiDeveloper +1 totally agree
tobyplowy
on 4 Dec 2016
https://github.com/tenplus1/stairs <-- corners and slopes :P
tenplus1
on 4 Dec 2016
TenPlus knew you were great, and I was expecting a spectacular your answer like this. Thank you. Your mod is updated 17 days ago, so I hope to see it implemented in Minetest_Game vanilla? I take it for a "yes" Thank TenPlus ;)
SpaghettiDeveloper
on 4 Dec 2016
Seems reasonable, these are fairly fundamental.
paramat
on 4 Dec 2016
If the corner stair parts are added to minetest_game, we should also discuss if they will be added by placing stairs and auto replacement to corner parts like in MC or if they are just craftable blocks.
RHRhino
on 4 Dec 2016
@RHRhino I want it to work automatically
tobyplowy
on 4 Dec 2016
No not automatic, that will often result in unwanted behaviour when the nodes are being used artistically or in a unique way, which is what players will want to do. Any auto placement will often act when not wanted, or not act when wanted, or act in the wrong way. It would seriously limit the possibilities, as well as being complex and more code to maintain.
paramat
on 4 Dec 2016
@paramat It can be automatic but be Changed back to normal with the screwdriver
tobyplowy
on 4 Dec 2016
Thanks paramat :+1:
SpaghettiDeveloper
on 5 Dec 2016
I'm not necessarily opposed to this, but in order to make this actually not look bad, you're going to need 2 (possibly 4) nodes for each corner type, because of the way how the textures align.
I'm not a fan of that at all, so I'd say, don't do this.
The only real way to solve this is to make a new stair drawtype in the engine, and I'm no fan of that solution either.
sofar
on 5 Dec 2016
Sofar. I support the idea of Paramat, to implement corner blocks for each type of stair in the game, as a separate block! nothing automatic node, for the moment, then in the future we can improve. The stairs are very useful corner blocks to build.
The community also will appreciate this addition. Building is the soul of gameplay for Minetest.
SpaghettiDeveloper
on 5 Dec 2016
you're going to need 2 (possibly 4) nodes for each corner type, because of the way how the textures align.
Do we really need them? Currently mainetest_game stairs and slabs textures also do not align perfectly as well as the corner parts of moreblocks and most people still have no problems with that. So perfect texture alignment shouldn't be blocking this feature/addition if we really want it.
RHRhino
on 5 Dec 2016
Do we really need them?
The sole reason people are asking for this feature is "to make stairs look better".
The first comment when people actually see this will be "but it looks ugly and the textures do not connect".
I'd rather leave this problem to mods. I have yet to see a mod that solves this problem and actually looks better and fixes texture alignment problems.
sofar
on 5 Dec 2016
I think we need this in long run for sure.
Fixer-007
on 5 Dec 2016
Have you included the walls In 0.4.14, Although I still do not connect well the nodes, and even The iron bars (now work much better), Have Done a great job, From 0.4.10 Minetest has Continuous improvements.
The corner stairs are undoubtedly an important feature of the game, a lot of Minetest you use to build the roofs of houses, gardens, floors, and much more. I vote for the "YES"
SpaghettiDeveloper
on 5 Dec 2016
@sofar
I'd rather leave this problem to mods. I have yet to see a mod that solves this problem and actually looks better and fixes texture alignment problems.
I hate to get a bit offtopic, but the sad thing is that mods are not a reliable source of content. Most Minecraft mods are usually medium or high quality because of how much effort goes into learning how to program them. (With the exception of the often poor quality 'Emerald/Obsidian Tool' mods made with MCreator or similar 'code generators'.)
A Minetest mod, on the other hand, is very easy, because it does not require a development environment to compile, nor does it require fairly good knowledge of how to program. In fact, if someone had enough skill to read and understand code, they could copy-paste from MTG to create the simplest mod. This means that you will find a lot of small, 'only adds static nodes and items and sometimes tools, with the occasional oregen.', mods, to clutter good ones like pipeworks or mesecons.
Back on topic, I support corner stairs. I suppose we could avoid adding too many nodes if we either (1) added a new 'stairlike' drawtype, or (2) made the connected type more customizable. Although option 2 means a much better API feature, I would be fine with option 1, since it could be useful as a ground-block. (No more jumping up hills!)
C1ffisme
on 5 Dec 2016
@C1ffisme I don't disagree with you. But it's really easy to merge something once the concept has been proven to work well and look good in a mod. (3D torches, or carts, anyone?). This is how minetest_game has grown fairly well, and there are definitely many mods out there which are totally eligible for merging (e.g. playeranim, or 3dwield, others).
My intent wasn't to say "it'll be in mods forever", but "show me a good mod that does this, and I'll work on merging it", as I have with several mods in the past.
sofar
on 6 Dec 2016
@sofar
My intent wasn't to say "it'll be in mods forever", but "show me a good mod that does this, and I'll work on merging it", as I have with several mods in the past.
That's actually an okay compromise I can live with, the only problem is that mods can't edit the engine, so certain limitations pop up.
C1ffisme
on 6 Dec 2016
I'm fairly neutral on this, however i can't see a problem with textures not aligning perfectly, this already happens a lot when we rotate nodes and very few players complain.
All we need is 2 new nodeboxes or meshnodes in stairs mod that are created by the API.
@sfan5 @Ekdohibs @rubenwardy @ShadowNinja
Any dev support for this? I quite like the idea.
paramat
on 6 Dec 2016
I like the idea of corner stairs
rubenwardy
on 14 Jan 2017
minetest/minetest#682 could help with the problem of the textures not matching
Ferk
on 14 Jan 2017
After adding the new stairs placement I think about to add this feature, including automatic placement (optional)
MarkuBu
on 23 Mar 2017
@MarkuBu Any progress on this?
Fixer-007
on 14 May 2017
These need to be meshnodes to reduce interior faces.
paramat
on 15 May 2017
Any progress on this?
Not yet. Working on the pathfinder, but I don't have much time anyway. But I didn't forget it
MarkuBu
on 15 May 2017
I will use the node box from moreblocks for the first time. They can be replaced by mesh nodes later.
Auto placement is really tricky.
MarkuBu
on 16 May 2017
That was the easy part
MarkuBu
on 16 May 2017
We don't need auto-detection of neighbouring nodes, just rotation according to player's diagonal view direction.
paramat
on 16 May 2017
Will try it anyway.
It's now possible to build something like this without a screwdriver
MarkuBu
on 16 May 2017
1820 merged.
paramat
on 16 Jul 2017
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After adding the new stairs placement I think about to add this feature, including automatic placement (optional)