Minetest_game: Bookshelf impossible openings

[paramat]

I discovered to my surprise you can't build bookshelves onto themselves because right-clicking opens the formspec instead of building, multiplie layers need other temporary nodes to build onto. Not good for building large libraries.

The bookshelf texture is on all 4 sides of the node, having deep shelves on all 4 sides is impossible and looks wrong. However correcting this may be unpopular as many bookshelves will then need to be rotated to the desired direction. Any comments on whether changing this to 2 open sides is acceptable?

My proposal:
I would like to add a new node 'junglewood_bookshelf' which is not interactable and is meant for building with and decoration. It can therefore be open on 2 sides not 4, this along with the darker colour will distinguish it from the interactable bookshelf.

Related #1103

[Thomas--S]

You can build to a bookshelf with shift-rightclick.

[paramat]

I see.
An extra node might be useful for use in large numbers where we want to avoid adding metadata for every node.

[Thomas--S]

I can totally understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit illogical: Why can books be put in a wooden shelf, but not in a shelf made out of junglewood? I think it would confuse players pretty much.

[0-afflatus]

Argh no. All nodes with a formspec have the same issue. Changing bookshelves like this would break so many builds without any appreciable benefit.

[C1ffisme]

What about formspecs requiring craftitems or the hand to open, otherwise you place the node?

[p5yk0g3n3s1s]

:+1: 2 open sides + facedir rotation

:-1: junglewood_bookshelf

[sofar]

Positive about 2-faced open shelves.

I would solve the placement problem otherwise - if you target the "face with books" side with a node, open formspec, otherwise, place node. this way, stacking and chaining shelves is trivial.

[sofar]

@0-afflatus that problem can be mitigated with a fallback nodedef. But yes, it will break stuff.

[p5yk0g3n3s1s]

@paramat
@sofar

Placement isn't a problem because all nodes with formspecs behave this way. Unless you plan on changing how all node formspecs behave it would be inconsistent to make a single change.

I'd personally like to see a global change in this behavior because it's a little inconvenient, especially when flying and building.

[paramat]

Since building is apparently possible with shift-click, i'm only now concerned about the impossible openings, but changing the textures would break a lot of builds it seems. I'm not sure it's worth upsetting players.

[benrob0329]

There is a screwdriver for a reason, I'd rather fix a library than have impossible bookshelves that don't look right from the side.

[paramat]

You can build to a bookshelf with shift-rightclick.

Doesn't work for me.

Anyway i think fixing the textures is worth doing, even though it means some pain at first when updating builds and schematics. I'll make a PR.

[DonBatman]

Please do the texture change. I never cared for the books showing on 4 sides

[NathanSalapat]

I personally could never figure out how the books from two adjoining sides could exist as they would both have to run through each other, a texture change is a good idea.

[Thomas--S]

:+1: for a texture change

[tenplus1]

Have books show on 2-sides only (front and back) with sides being wood.

[0-afflatus]

As I've said many times, I trust you won't take my opinion on MTG as any kind of vote - and considering the weight of opinion I may yet reconsider. Interesting.

[sofar]

Texture change should be separate PR (not saying it wouldn't be worth it).

[C1ffisme]

@paramat If you set your sneak key to something else, you use your sneak key instead of Shift.

[paramat]

Aha that's why!

[paramat]

sofar i agree, the PR will be for a texture change only since these are buildable with sneak-rightclick.

[paramat]

PR #1110

[paramat]

1110 is merged.

[WSDguy2014]

Facepalm I should keep that, no texture change, nor adding a junglewood bookshelf. But, you are worse.