Submitting author: @ml-evs (Matthew L Evans)
Repository: https://github.com/ml-evs/matador
Version: 0.9.9
Editor: @jgostick
Reviewers: @mkhorton, @srmnitc
Archive: 10.5281/zenodo.4095078
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Thanks for initiating this review! I've been implementing a few more features since I submitted, so the version to review should be changed to v0.9.8. Is that a problem?
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Tagging the other author here, @ajm143.
I'm just getting started on the code review. For the record, I want to add the same note as in the pre-review thread that I know @ml-evs in the context of another project. This project is OPTIMADE, a consortium of research groups and organizations in the computational materials field working on a common REST API standard. I don't believe this to be a conflict for the purposes of this review.
I'm just getting started on the code review. For the record, I want to add the same note as in the pre-review thread that I know @ml-evs in the context of another project. This project is OPTIMADE, a consortium of research groups and organizations in the computational materials field working on a common REST API standard. I don't believe this to be a conflict for the purposes of this review.
Thanks @mkhorton --- just to confirm we are part of the same consortium but haven't worked together directly.
Hi @mkhorton and @srmnitc
How is the review coming along? I see many 'unchecked' check boxes in the list above...are you having any difficulties with this software?
Hi @jgostick, no major issues, just a few integration tests not running. Need to re-compile a dependency (castep) first :-)
For @ml-evs, only comment for testing is to add a note about test_requirements.txt in the testing instructions.
For @ml-evs, only comment for testing is to add a note about
test_requirements.txtin the testing instructions.
Good spot, thanks. Let me know if there's any trouble with CASTEP and/or the integration tests.
@jgostick No problems here too. Sorry, I just got delayed with other things and did not yet check the code. I plan to go through this week.
Hi @ml-evs, I have finished my first round of review. Overall, matador looks quite nice and the documentation looks very good. Thanks! I only have minor points that I have raised on the repo. The major one is just with the jupyter notebooks as a lot of them seem to not run on a binder instance. I would not say this would prevent me from checking the examples section on the checklist, but I think it would be great if you could take a look. Another one is with the statement of need in the paper. I think the advantages of matador are clearly described, but what exactly is the research question that matador answers/or helps to answer? Once again, it is not a major issue, maybe @jgostick could decide if the current state is enough. Thanks for the time and effort in developing matador.
Hi @ml-evs, I have finished my first round of review. Overall, matador looks quite nice and the documentation looks very good. Thanks! I only have minor points that I have raised on the repo. The major one is just with the jupyter notebooks as a lot of them seem to not run on a binder instance. I would not say this would prevent me from checking the examples section on the checklist, but I think it would be great if you could take a look. Another one is with the statement of need in the paper. I think the advantages of matador are clearly described, but what exactly is the research question that matador answers/or helps to answer? Once again, it is not a major issue, maybe @jgostick could decide if the current state is enough. Thanks for the time and effort in developing matador.
Hi @srmnitc, thanks so much for taking the time to review matador. I'll address your comments in more detail in the issues you have raised (I broadly agree with all of them).
Referring specifically to your final point, in the introduction to the paper we outline the research question that _we_ use the code for, namely job management and analysis for high-throughput crystal structure prediction, but the matador library itself should be generally useful to anyone using CASTEP. I'll have a go at making this clearer in the paper and the documentation and invite you to comment further in the specific issue.
So I actually am having issues compiling CASTEP (which usually never gives me issues) to be able to fully run the integration tests. My apologies for this, I'll try and get this sorted ASAP. The specific error I'm seeing is:
Error: Type mismatch between actual argument at (1) and actual argument at (2)
in case anyone in this thread has suggestions.
So I actually am having issues compiling CASTEP (which usually never gives me issues) to be able to fully run the integration tests. My apologies for this, I'll try and get this sorted ASAP. The specific error I'm seeing is:
Error: Type mismatch between actual argument at (1) and actual argument at (2)in case anyone in this thread has suggestions.
That looks like the classic Fortran compiler error when the code is missing an implicit none, but I'd be surprised if that was the case... I assume this is with gfortran (and perhaps a more recent one?) I've certainly compiled CASTEP with gfortran 8 with no problems in the recent past. Perhaps you could post your compiler/arch and the error dump I can try to be more helpful (here or elsewhere)?
Yes, I apologize. It wasn't very helpful of me to include that error without system details! This is the gfortran from gcc version 10.2.0 (Homebrew GCC 10.2.0) on macOS 10.15.6 with any necessary dependencies installed via homebrew, e.g. cmake, openmpi.
The integration tests aside, I have otherwise completed my review of matador. Matador is a toolbox for running, storing, analyzing and retrieving data generated from first-principles materials modeling techniques. The code is cleanly separated with the intent of each module well-defined and includes a nice CLI interface, robust integration especially with CASTEP (for launching pre-defined workflows, ingesting ('scraping') contents of directories, running jobs via HPC interfaces and the like and storing and retrieving documents via MongoDB). Plotting functionality is particularly impressive and well structured. The code also includes some basic transformations ("swaps"), phase diagram functionality, and fingerprinting (including a very nice PXRD class). Documentation is good with clean docstrings throughout.
While there are clearly several modules still in development or with placeholder code, the existent code as-is easily passes the threshold for publication and features currently described are functional and useful, and passes all the criteria for a JOSS publication.
Thanks for the constructive review @mkhorton.
I should be able to find the time to address @srmnitc's remaining comments this week, in this PR https://github.com/ml-evs/matador/pull/125.
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Can't find any papers to compile :-(
@ml-evs Just an update. Seems like work is in progress on the PR. Once merged, it should allow me to check off the remaining points!
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Gah, just noticed another typo... this should now be the final proof.
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@jgostick @ml-evs With some issues now fixed, I am able to check all the boxes in the review. With that, I would like to recommend matador for publication. It is a well-written module with very helpful examples and documentation. @jgostick thanks for inviting me to review and @ml-evs thanks for your efforts in fixing all the issues!
@jgostick @ml-evs With some issues now fixed, I am able to check all the boxes in the review. With that, I would like to recommend matador for publication. It is a well-written module with very helpful examples and documentation. @jgostick thanks for inviting me to review and @ml-evs thanks for your efforts in fixing all the issues!
Thanks @srmnitc, your review of the examples on Binder and careful reading of the paper were especially helpful. I have merged the paper into master and will re-trigger Whedon.
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Reference check summary (note 'MISSING' DOIs are suggestions that need verification):
OK DOIs
- 10/f4mfm4 is OK
- 10.1038/s41586-020-2649-2 is OK
- 10/bdfg3f is OK
- 10/f5xrnj is OK
- 10/gdq6h4 is OK
- 10/f9wbtg is OK
- 10/d7spb8 is OK
- 10/drbjhg is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.2628066 is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.3904495 is OK
- 10.1021/acs.chemmater.0c02054 is OK
- 10/ggj45f is OK
- 10/f9jxbz is OK
- 10.1103/PhysRevLett.95.216401 is OK
- 10/ggrmgf is OK
- 10.21105/joss.00717 is OK
- 10/gg5vsq is OK
MISSING DOIs
- None
INVALID DOIs
- None
Hi @ml-evs There are a few things left to do:
Here is a list of what to do next:
Hi @jgostick,
ORCIDs in the paper are correct, though I don't see them rendering in the preview.
v0.9.9 has just been released https://github.com/ml-evs/matador/releases/tag/0.9.9
The 0.9.9 release is archived at http://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.4095078
Author list matches, but the title of the archive is just the package name, which seems to be okay looking at other accepted JOSS papers?
@whedon set 10.5281/zenodo.4095078 as archive
OK. 10.5281/zenodo.4095078 is the archive.
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Reference check summary (note 'MISSING' DOIs are suggestions that need verification):
OK DOIs
- 10/f4mfm4 is OK
- 10.1038/s41586-020-2649-2 is OK
- 10/bdfg3f is OK
- 10/f5xrnj is OK
- 10/gdq6h4 is OK
- 10/f9wbtg is OK
- 10/d7spb8 is OK
- 10/drbjhg is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.2628066 is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.3904495 is OK
- 10.1021/acs.chemmater.0c02054 is OK
- 10/ggj45f is OK
- 10/f9jxbz is OK
- 10.1103/PhysRevLett.95.216401 is OK
- 10/ggrmgf is OK
- 10.21105/joss.00717 is OK
- 10/gg5vsq is OK
MISSING DOIs
- None
INVALID DOIs
- None
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@whedon accept
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Reference check summary (note 'MISSING' DOIs are suggestions that need verification):
OK DOIs
- 10/f4mfm4 is OK
- 10.1038/s41586-020-2649-2 is OK
- 10/bdfg3f is OK
- 10/f5xrnj is OK
- 10/gdq6h4 is OK
- 10/f9wbtg is OK
- 10/d7spb8 is OK
- 10/drbjhg is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.2628066 is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.3904495 is OK
- 10.1021/acs.chemmater.0c02054 is OK
- 10/ggj45f is OK
- 10/f9jxbz is OK
- 10.1103/PhysRevLett.95.216401 is OK
- 10/ggrmgf is OK
- 10.21105/joss.00717 is OK
- 10/gg5vsq is OK
MISSING DOIs
- None
INVALID DOIs
- None
PDF failed to compile for issue #2563 with the following error:
/app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:77:in doi_citation': undefined methodencode' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:64:in make_citation'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:50:inblock in generate_citations'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/bibtex-ruby-5.1.4/lib/bibtex/bibliography.rb:149:in each'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/bibtex-ruby-5.1.4/lib/bibtex/bibliography.rb:149:ineach'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:43:in generate_citations'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/compilers.rb:246:incrossref_from_markdown'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/compilers.rb:21:in generate_crossref'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/processor.rb:100:incompile'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/bin/whedon:88:in compile'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/command.rb:27:inrun'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in invoke_command'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor.rb:387:indispatch'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/base.rb:466:in start'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/bin/whedon:131:inload'
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Hi @mkhorton congrats! This one took a while, but it's all good now. An editor in chief will now come and make the acceptance final (and hopefully sort out the messy error message whedon produced above! I just compiled the pdf, so I don't understand why it's complaining).
Thanks @jgostick, please keep me in mind if you need reviewers in this area.
Thanks again to @mkhorton and @srmnitc for their time and thoughtful reviews.
Regarding the whedon error, the tidier traceback is:
/app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:77:in `doi_citation': undefined method `encode' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:64:in `make_citation' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:50:in `block in generate_citations'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/bibtex-ruby-5.1.4/lib/bibtex/bibliography.rb:149:in `each' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/bibtex-ruby-5.1.4/lib/bibtex/bibliography.rb:149:in `each'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:43:in `generate_citations' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/compilers.rb:246:in `crossref_from_markdown'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/compilers.rb:21:in `generate_crossref' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/processor.rb:100:in `compile'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/bin/whedon:88:in `compile' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/command.rb:27:in `run'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in `invoke_command' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor.rb:387:in `dispatch'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/base.rb:466:in `start' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/bin/whedon:131:in `<top (required)>'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bin/whedon:23:in `load' from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bin/whedon:23:in `
I can't see weird characters that would be missing an encode method in my bib file, but I can try fixing some dodgy indentation that crept in, though I assume I will not be able to retrigger the accept command myself!
@whedon generate pdf
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Hmmm, I guess that was just a one-time glitch? the PDF generated just fine for me above as well.
@whedon accept
Attempting dry run of processing paper acceptance...
Reference check summary (note 'MISSING' DOIs are suggestions that need verification):
OK DOIs
- 10/f4mfm4 is OK
- 10.1038/s41586-020-2649-2 is OK
- 10/bdfg3f is OK
- 10/f5xrnj is OK
- 10/gdq6h4 is OK
- 10/f9wbtg is OK
- 10/d7spb8 is OK
- 10/drbjhg is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.2628066 is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.3904495 is OK
- 10.1021/acs.chemmater.0c02054 is OK
- 10/ggj45f is OK
- 10/f9jxbz is OK
- 10.1103/PhysRevLett.95.216401 is OK
- 10/ggrmgf is OK
- 10.21105/joss.00717 is OK
- 10/gg5vsq is OK
MISSING DOIs
- None
INVALID DOIs
- None
PDF failed to compile for issue #2563 with the following error:
/app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:77:in doi_citation': undefined methodencode' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:64:in make_citation'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:50:inblock in generate_citations'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/bibtex-ruby-5.1.4/lib/bibtex/bibliography.rb:149:in each'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/bibtex-ruby-5.1.4/lib/bibtex/bibliography.rb:149:ineach'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/bibtex_parser.rb:43:in generate_citations'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/compilers.rb:246:incrossref_from_markdown'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/compilers.rb:21:in generate_crossref'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/lib/whedon/processor.rb:100:incompile'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/bin/whedon:88:in compile'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/command.rb:27:inrun'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in invoke_command'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor.rb:387:indispatch'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/gems/thor-0.20.3/lib/thor/base.rb:466:in start'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bundler/gems/whedon-d14a699185fb/bin/whedon:131:inload'
from /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.4.0/bin/whedon:23:in
@ml-evs - could you merge this PR which modifies the DOIs to the more standard format? https://github.com/ml-evs/matador/pull/132
@ml-evs - could you merge this PR which modifies the DOIs to the more standard format? ml-evs/matador#132
Hi @arfon, done. Was ShortDOI the problem?
Hi @arfon, done. Was ShortDOI the problem?
Yes, our system currently doesn't support these (although it looks like we should!)
@whedon accept
Attempting dry run of processing paper acceptance...
Reference check summary (note 'MISSING' DOIs are suggestions that need verification):
OK DOIs
- 10.1016/j.commatsci.2012.10.028 is OK
- 10.1038/s41586-020-2649-2 is OK
- 10.1524/zkri.220.5.567.65075 is OK
- 10.1016/j.cpc.2014.02.013 is OK
- 10.1021/jacs.8b04183 is OK
- 10.1088/1361-648x/aa680e is OK
- 10.1088/0953-8984/21/39/395502 is OK
- 10.1109/MCSE.2007.55 is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.2628066 is OK
- 10.5281/zenodo.3904495 is OK
- 10.1021/acs.chemmater.0c02054 is OK
- 10.1038/s41592-019-0686-2 is OK
- 10.1016/j.commatsci.2016.10.015 is OK
- 10.1103/PhysRevLett.95.216401 is OK
- 10.1595/205651320X15742491027978 is OK
- 10.21105/joss.00717 is OK
- 10.1088/1742-6596/371/1/012062 is OK
MISSING DOIs
- None
INVALID DOIs
- None
:wave: @openjournals/joss-eics, this paper is ready to be accepted and published.
Check final proof :point_right: https://github.com/openjournals/joss-papers/pull/1868
If the paper PDF and Crossref deposit XML look good in https://github.com/openjournals/joss-papers/pull/1868, then you can now move forward with accepting the submission by compiling again with the flag deposit=true e.g.
@whedon accept deposit=true
@whedon accept deposit=true
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@ml-evs - your paper is now accepted into JOSS :zap::rocket::boom:
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This is how it will look in your documentation:
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Great, thanks @arfon for getting it over the last hurdle!