Id: Don't suggest bus=yes for highway=bus_stop

[camelCaseSucks]

bus=yes is an access tag, indicating something is accessible by bus. I can't imagine there is such a thing as a bus stop that is not accessible by bus, so it's completely unnecessary on bus stops. It's not even mentioned in the 'recommended tagging' section of the highway=bus_stop wiki page. It's not wrong, but it's not useful either.

[quincylvania]

@camelCaseSucks The bus=yes tag indicates the type of public transport for public_transport=platform. This pattern succeeds highway=bus_stop, but iD currently supports both for backwards-compatibility.

[camelCaseSucks]

The bus=yes tag indicates the type of public transport for public_transport=platform

This comment on a Carto issue claims that is what highway=bus_stop or railway=tram_stop are for. I looked up the original proposal on the wiki which suggests tags like bus=yes should be used for public_transport=stop_position (a node on the road where the bus stops) but makes no mention of those tags for public_transport=platform. This makes sense because the platform (usually on a sidewalk) is not directly accessed by the bus, it only stops nearby and people walk from the platform to the bus.

The public_transport=platform wiki page makes no mention of bus=yes, and the bus=yes wiki page only says:

Since 2011, some mappers have used bus=yes with highway=bus_stop, public_transport=platform, or both, to specify that a feature is a bus stop. This is the most common use of bus=yes.

This does not indicate the tag is required. Please reconsider.

[maro-21]

This tag is necessary because public_transport=platform gives no information what kind of stop it is.
So
public_transport=platform + tram=yes is a tram stop
public_transport=platform + bus=yes is a bus stop

[camelCaseSucks]

This tag is necessary because public_transport=platform gives no information what kind of stop it is.
So
public_transport=platform + tram=yes is a tram stop
public_transport=platform + bus=yes is a bus stop

Where did this idea come from? As the wiki links in my last comment (including the public_transport v2 proposal) show, the access tags are not meant to be used on the platform.

railway=tram_stop is a tram stop
highway=bus_stop is a bus stop

public_transport=platform is meant to supplement these tags, not replace them. The access tags are not necessary or helpful, and arguably not even correct (see my last comment).

[kymckay]

I think the wiki pages have changed over the years as the tagging around public transport has always had conflicting opinions since I started editing. The information probably also differs across all the different pages which discuss public transport tagging.

I know that I remember first reading to use public_transport=platform and bus=yes (the idea being a platform could serve multiple forms of transport) with no highway=bus_stop because it was made redundant by those two tags. People even used to recommend retaining the latter for the renderer as a double-tagging.

You can see for yourself when the wiki pages changed:

• Mention of public_transport tagging was eradicated from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=bus_stop in May 2019 by user DaveF63.
• public_transport=platform was changed to optional at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Bus_routes in March 2020 by user Jeisenbe.
• Mention of bus=yes was removed from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport in July 2019 also by user Jeisenbe.

This reflects a common issue in OSM tagging, the wiki may now describe the original tagging proposal intention, but not the way the tags have now been used for some time because it was "wrong" for so long. iD can't just take the wiki as gospel, because not everyone will now agree with it and it says different things at different points in time.

[maro-21]

railway=tram_stop is a tram stop
highway=bus_stop is a bus stop

This is the old scheme. And because there was no e.g. highway=trolleybus_stop, new tagging scheme that covers other means of transport had to be created, because there are more than bus and tram.