Holacracy-constitution: Merge Rep Link appointment from sub-circle & multi-filled role

[brianjrobertson]

Sub-circles and partially-represented multi-filled roles (i.e. those with some appointments excluded as Core Circle Members) are effectively the same concept, yet selection of a representative works differently between the two, and each has issues: The sub-circle Rep Link selection process is hard-coded (exactly one rep required, selected via integrative election process), which ensures a reasonable process for selection, but leaves no room for adapting to local conditions that might warrant variations. On the other hand, the multi-filled role representative selection process is almost entirely open, which allows plenty of room for adaptability to local conditions, but also allows breaking a clear chain of effective tension processing (e.g. lead link autocratically chooses a representative that other role-fillers have trouble processing tensions through). So, as someone dependent on selecting such a representative, I'd like these two processes to be merged into one process (used in both cases) that's somewhere between these two extremes, so that we get the benefits of both without the downsides of either.

[MiekeByerley]

Hi Brian,

Would this proposal not resolve your tension? I drafted this up already
back in July 2015 and submitted it, I was kindly informed that it was
received and that it would be submitted but since then I have heard nothing
back.

Very Kind Regards
Mieke

On 13 July 2016 at 10:47, brianjrobertson [email protected] wrote:

Sub-circles and partially-represented multi-filled roles (i.e. those with
some appointments excluded as Core Circle Members) are effectively the same
concept, yet selection of a representative works differently between the
two, and each has issues: The sub-circle Rep Link selection process is
hard-coded (exactly one rep required, selected via integrative election
process), which ensures a reasonable process for selection, but leaves no
room for adapting to local conditions that might warrant variations. On the
other hand, the multi-filled role representative selection process is
almost entirely open, which allows plenty of room for adaptability to local
conditions, but also allows breaking a clear chain of effective tension
processing (e.g. lead link autocratically chooses a representative that
other role-fillers have trouble processing tensions through). So, as
someone dependent on selecting such a representative, I'd like these two
processes to be merged into one process (used in both cases) that's
somewhere between these two extremes, so that we get the benefits of both
without the downsides of either.

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[brianjrobertson]

Hi Mieke - What proposal are you referring to?

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HolacracyOne, LLC
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On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, MiekeByerley [email protected] wrote:

Hi Brian,

Would this proposal not resolve your tension? I drafted this up already
back in July 2015 and submitted it, I was kindly informed that it was
received and that it would be submitted but since then I have heard nothing
back.

Very Kind Regards
Mieke

On 13 July 2016 at 10:47, brianjrobertson [email protected] wrote:

Sub-circles and partially-represented multi-filled roles (i.e. those with
some appointments excluded as Core Circle Members) are effectively the same
concept, yet selection of a representative works differently between the
two, and each has issues: The sub-circle Rep Link selection process is
hard-coded (exactly one rep required, selected via integrative election
process), which ensures a reasonable process for selection, but leaves no
room for adapting to local conditions that might warrant variations. On the
other hand, the multi-filled role representative selection process is
almost entirely open, which allows plenty of room for adaptability to local
conditions, but also allows breaking a clear chain of effective tension
processing (e.g. lead link autocratically chooses a representative that
other role-fillers have trouble processing tensions through). So, as
someone dependent on selecting such a representative, I'd like these two
processes to be merged into one process (used in both cases) that's
somewhere between these two extremes, so that we get the benefits of both
without the downsides of either.

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[MiekeByerley]

Hi Brian,

I attached to the email for your convenience :) are you able to see that? I
can attach it again if you like. It was to do with almost exactly what you
are highlighting.

On 13 July 2016 at 12:28, brianjrobertson [email protected] wrote:

Hi Mieke - What proposal are you referring to?

Brian J. Robertson
HolacracyOne, LLC
http://holacracy.org http://holacracy.org/

See My Roles & Accountabilities » <
https://glassfrog.holacracy.org/person/47>

Check out my book: http://holacracybook.com » http://holacracybook.com/

On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, MiekeByerley [email protected]
wrote:

Hi Brian,

Would this proposal not resolve your tension? I drafted this up already
back in July 2015 and submitted it, I was kindly informed that it was
received and that it would be submitted but since then I have heard
nothing
back.

Very Kind Regards
Mieke

On 13 July 2016 at 10:47, brianjrobertson [email protected]
wrote:

Sub-circles and partially-represented multi-filled roles (i.e. those
with
some appointments excluded as Core Circle Members) are effectively the
same
concept, yet selection of a representative works differently between
the
two, and each has issues: The sub-circle Rep Link selection process is
hard-coded (exactly one rep required, selected via integrative election
process), which ensures a reasonable process for selection, but leaves
no
room for adapting to local conditions that might warrant variations.
On the
other hand, the multi-filled role representative selection process is
almost entirely open, which allows plenty of room for adaptability to
local
conditions, but also allows breaking a clear chain of effective tension
processing (e.g. lead link autocratically chooses a representative that
other role-fillers have trouble processing tensions through). So, as
someone dependent on selecting such a representative, I'd like these
two
processes to be merged into one process (used in both cases) that's
somewhere between these two extremes, so that we get the benefits of
both
without the downsides of either.

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[brianjrobertson]

Attachments are stripped out when you e-mail via Github like this, so it’s not coming through; e-mail me directly via [email protected].

Brian J. Robertson
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http://holacracy.org http://holacracy.org/

See My Roles & Accountabilities » https://glassfrog.holacracy.org/person/47

Check out my book: http://holacracybook.com » http://holacracybook.com/

On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:35 PM, MiekeByerley [email protected] wrote:

Hi Brian,

I attached to the email for your convenience :) are you able to see that? I
can attach it again if you like. It was to do with almost exactly what you
are highlighting.

On 13 July 2016 at 12:28, brianjrobertson [email protected] wrote:

Hi Mieke - What proposal are you referring to?

Brian J. Robertson
HolacracyOne, LLC
http://holacracy.org http://holacracy.org/

See My Roles & Accountabilities » <
https://glassfrog.holacracy.org/person/47>

Check out my book: http://holacracybook.com » http://holacracybook.com/

On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, MiekeByerley [email protected]
wrote:

Hi Brian,

Would this proposal not resolve your tension? I drafted this up already
back in July 2015 and submitted it, I was kindly informed that it was
received and that it would be submitted but since then I have heard
nothing
back.

Very Kind Regards
Mieke

On 13 July 2016 at 10:47, brianjrobertson [email protected]
wrote:

Sub-circles and partially-represented multi-filled roles (i.e. those
with
some appointments excluded as Core Circle Members) are effectively the
same
concept, yet selection of a representative works differently between
the
two, and each has issues: The sub-circle Rep Link selection process is
hard-coded (exactly one rep required, selected via integrative election
process), which ensures a reasonable process for selection, but leaves
no
room for adapting to local conditions that might warrant variations.
On the
other hand, the multi-filled role representative selection process is
almost entirely open, which allows plenty of room for adaptability to
local
conditions, but also allows breaking a clear chain of effective tension
processing (e.g. lead link autocratically chooses a representative that
other role-fillers have trouble processing tensions through). So, as
someone dependent on selecting such a representative, I'd like these
two
processes to be merged into one process (used in both cases) that's
somewhere between these two extremes, so that we get the benefits of
both
without the downsides of either.

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[MiekeByerley]

Hi Brian,

I have just done what you suggested so hopefully you have it.

On 13 July 2016 at 12:36, brianjrobertson [email protected] wrote:

Attachments are stripped out when you e-mail via Github like this, so it’s
not coming through; e-mail me directly via [email protected].

Brian J. Robertson
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See My Roles & Accountabilities » <
https://glassfrog.holacracy.org/person/47>

Check out my book: http://holacracybook.com » http://holacracybook.com/

On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:35 PM, MiekeByerley [email protected]
wrote:

Hi Brian,

I attached to the email for your convenience :) are you able to see
that? I
can attach it again if you like. It was to do with almost exactly what
you
are highlighting.

On 13 July 2016 at 12:28, brianjrobertson [email protected]
wrote:

Hi Mieke - What proposal are you referring to?

Brian J. Robertson
HolacracyOne, LLC
http://holacracy.org http://holacracy.org/

See My Roles & Accountabilities » <
https://glassfrog.holacracy.org/person/47>

Check out my book: http://holacracybook.com » <
http://holacracybook.com/>

On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, MiekeByerley [email protected]
wrote:

Hi Brian,

Would this proposal not resolve your tension? I drafted this up
already
back in July 2015 and submitted it, I was kindly informed that it was
received and that it would be submitted but since then I have heard
nothing
back.

Very Kind Regards
Mieke

On 13 July 2016 at 10:47, brianjrobertson [email protected]
wrote:

Sub-circles and partially-represented multi-filled roles (i.e.
those
with
some appointments excluded as Core Circle Members) are effectively
the
same
concept, yet selection of a representative works differently
between
the
two, and each has issues: The sub-circle Rep Link selection
process is
hard-coded (exactly one rep required, selected via integrative
election
process), which ensures a reasonable process for selection, but
leaves
no
room for adapting to local conditions that might warrant
variations.
On the
other hand, the multi-filled role representative selection process
is
almost entirely open, which allows plenty of room for adaptability
to
local
conditions, but also allows breaking a clear chain of effective
tension
processing (e.g. lead link autocratically chooses a representative
that
other role-fillers have trouble processing tensions through). So,
as
someone dependent on selecting such a representative, I'd like
these
two
processes to be merged into one process (used in both cases) that's
somewhere between these two extremes, so that we get the benefits
of
both
without the downsides of either.

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[Roflcopterpaul]

I think merging these two together is an amazing idea, and I would suggest using the Rep Link to be the go-to for multi-filled Roles. As an elected Role, it is usually much easier for people to feel comfortable and confident going to them to process stuff instead of having to implicitly figure out who will do it each time, go to their LL, etc. This also drastically simplifies the process by just saying, "They use the RL to process stuff". Also, it's fairly simple to put a process into place in a Circle to give them more freedom in being able to attend meetings, have extra representation, etc.

[brianjrobertson]

Paul, can you clarify what you mean here: For who to use them as the go-to for what? Thanks!

On Aug 30, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Roflcopterpaul [email protected] wrote:

I think merging these two together is an amazing idea, and I would suggest using the Rep Link to be the go-to for multi-filled Roles. As an elected Role, it is usually much easier for people to feel comfortable and confident going to them to process stuff instead of having to implicitly figure out who will do it each time, go to their LL, etc. This also drastically simplifies the process by just saying, "They use the RL to process stuff". Also, it's fairly simple to put a process into place in a Circle to give them more freedom in being able to attend meetings, have extra representation, etc.

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[Roflcopterpaul]

Sorry. I meant that the Rep Link could then be the Role that brings up Tensions on behalf of multi-filled Roles and minor Roles.

[brianjrobertson]

Makes sense and agreed!

On Sep 4, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Roflcopterpaul [email protected] wrote:

Sorry. I meant that the Rep Link could then be the Role that brings up Tensions on behalf of multi-filled Roles (but I had that mixed up and meant for minor Roles). Since minor Role-holders have to bring Tensions to the LL to bring stuff up for them, they could go to the RL instead.

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[julianeroell]

I find the election process not too complicated and the limitation (only one Rep Link resulting) not too limiting. (The elected Rep Link could always get someone else in to help them process a tension (Article 3.3.1) if they needed, couldn't they?)

So if the choice was to use elections as a default (and thereby basically treating multi-filled roles like subcircles as I see it), that would work for me.

[brianjrobertson]

Note: This issue is a subset of Issue #168.