Gt-new-horizons-modpack: Why HV harder than EV ?

[Proha5]

Why HV motors and circuits plates need lot of silver and gold?
EV motors and circuits plates need lot of copper.
Speed of 32EV = 64HV. Result: 1 copper = 2 silver&gold.

[Dream-Master]

@Proha5 any better suggestions of using Materials?

[MineAnPlay]

Keep it as is. EV is gated via moon so this is OK

[Proha5]

MineAnPlay, Current balance created for non moded GT. Titan was hard. You may create titan only from rutile. But this modpack contain many titans from ores and from planets stones. After moon age, HV harder than EV.
May be reduce gold-silver from motor and from "Advanced circuit board"?

[Dream-Master]

@Proha5 What is your exact suggestion? Reduce gold-silver mean increase another material

[Proha5]

i don't know
probably, reducing will broken balance. i don't know. Current balance created by bloodAsp? if yes, then this question for bloodAsp.

[Dream-Master]

Maybe Titanium is in to high quantities available? @MineAnPlay What you think ?

[Dream-Master]

Bauxite is on the Moon and i will remove Ttanium Pure ore from Moon and put it on the Mars.
So on Moon Level you have to get Titanium out of Bauxite-Rutile_Titanium

[bigbass1997]

Whoa whoa whoa, I just heard about this issue through Discord. No Dream, your change is just plain bad. What tier do you call Moon now? some fake tier between HV and EV?? The moon is the start of EV tier, because that is where you are supposed to get Titanium from; and I don't mean the piddly amount that you can process out of Bauxite. You need many STACKS of Titanium to progress through EV tier, which you will certainly not get from crappy Bauxite.

Putting Titanium on Mars makes absolutely no sense at all! Mars is for IV tier, not EV; you'll have to make another higher tier rocket just to get there. If anything, Titanium was already too rare on the Moon, but now totally removing it is just plain dumb. I don't mean to insult but that is the fact.

The original post wasn't even talking about Titanium at all... It compared the resource requirements of copper at EV tier, to silver and gold at HV tier. Removing Titanium from the moon, besides being a horrible design decision doesn't even fix the original problem!

[bigbass1997]

To quote KorGgenT from Discord:

that 10 stacks of bauxite is 64 titanium

10 stacks of Bauxite ORE that he had just finished mining, will only make 64 Titanium Ingots.

[Dream-Master]

So what is your suggestion add it back as it was or change something? @bigbass1997

[Dream-Master]

@K1ngMX would to like your suggestions here too.

[K1ngMX]

I can see how there is "too much" titanium in a vein on the moon. I can only speak for my last world (which was singleplayer), and there was way enough titanium (i did not have any trouble finding multiple veins). However, as stated by bigbass (in discord) that may be different when playing on a server, because you have to share the veins with other players, so it may take time to find a vein.

But: i would advise against going the rutile way of getting titanium, because that is really annoying. I did the rutile route in another modpack (a much easier one) and it is still annoying, to a point were its really not fun. The "normal" way to get titanium in IC2 is meant to be endgame, so its okay if it really stresses you, but here it is different. It is hard enough to get the rocket (which gates titanium), so i dont see a point in making it more difficult (and it is really a spike in annoyance).

If you want to give players less titanium, i would make it a third byproduct of something that is really common. That way, you need to wash and thermal centrifuge that ore, and get 2 tiny piles per ore block, which is still a small amount.

But even then, i dont see that much of a point in reducing the titanium amount you can get. Its okay if you easily get enough on the moon, because getting there is the hard part.

If i would get to choose: leave the titanium ores simply there as they were before.

At least dont go the rutile way, i can only heavily advice against it.

I also dont really see how HV is that much of a hassle: when using a magnetite vein you can get lots of gold as direct byproducts, as ores and when using the magnetic separator. Silver is anyway not an issue, you are easily swimming in it after visiting TF. Also you can get lots of gold by trading with pechs (they can give you golden apples = lots and lots of gold)

TL;DR: i would leave the vein as it is on the moon (with titanium), if you really want to decrease the amount of titanium, make it a byproduct of something really common. I would not advice to set up the rutile way)

[bigbass1997]

So what is your suggestion add it back as it was or change something?

I don't have any suggestion for the original issue, but I made it quite clear already that Titanium must be readded to the Moon, exactly as it was before. I don't have to have any additional suggestion to make this statement.

[Dream-Master]

Ok ores are re added an be in the next release.