Gt-new-horizons-modpack: [1.5.1.2] GT++ Advanced Boilers seriously unbalanced
The GT++ advanced boilers (LV, MV, HV) generate way too much steam. The screenshot is the steam generated by the HV advanced boiler with 32 lignite. For reference, the steam generated by the tungstensteel large boiler (much more expensive) is close to 1,000,000mB.
In addition, these boilers can take fuels GT boilers cannot (i.e. BOP ash), which makes them quite powerful.
Suggestion is they be disabled.
ghost
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Any idea here? @draknyte1
Dream-Master
on 8 Sep 2017
To clarify they might generate steam at the rate stated on the tooltip, but the problem is that the fuel efficiency for all three is too high, many times higher than the best GT boilers. And I think GT boilers should not be able to use diamonds and BOP ash as fuel.
ghost
on 8 Sep 2017
They can burn anything with a fuel value and are very efficient as they don't waste fuel during run time.
draknyte1
on 8 Sep 2017
Ok, they are highly efficient. I am saying that they are not balanced with the preexisting GT boilers on the basis of efficiency, even multiblocks that are much more expensive.
GT++ is supposed to be a Gregtech pack, why would you add machines that are many times better than existing machines at an earlier tech level and cheaper price?
ghost
on 8 Sep 2017
We can change the recipe for gtnh pack. @AlphaApotheosis Any recipe suggestions?
Dream-Master
on 8 Sep 2017
@Dream-Master @draknyte1
That's better to tweak output amounts of boilers (and fuel consumption).
OneEyeMaker
on 8 Sep 2017
Their efficiency stems from the fact that they don't continually use fuel.
As long as their heat is > 80%, they don't use fuel, so that fuel lasts far longer.
draknyte1
on 8 Sep 2017
I don't think changing the recipe solves the problem. They just don't make sense in the pack. They will make all other steam sources redundant, no matter how expensive.
ghost
on 8 Sep 2017
If they stay in the pack, they should be less efficient than the tungstensteel multiblock boiler at least. And they should not be able to use fuels the multiblock boilers cannot.
ghost
on 8 Sep 2017
Not my fault gregtech boilers aren't coded to use any fuels.
draknyte1
on 8 Sep 2017
@draknyte1 no one is saying anything is your fault, we are just assessing whether the capabilities of the boilers are balanced with the GT boilers that have been in for years and are already integrated and balanced with other power sources.
ghost
on 8 Sep 2017
@draknyte1 if you not change the rate for Gt++ or for only GTNH @AlphaApotheosis what recipe you suggest and tier?
Dream-Master
on 8 Sep 2017
I think they should be disabled. There is no way to balance them the way they are, even if we made them require neutronium plates or something.
ghost
on 8 Sep 2017
Yeah, but their steam generated per tick is horrible in comparison to large boilers.
So while you might make 750 steam/tick for a lot longer, when you want steam you want it in large quantities, so large boilers still work out better.
It doesn't upset balance, as far as I am concerned. Unless someone decides to make 20 of these, a large bronze boiler will still produce more/t. As anything within Gregtech, increase speed, lose efficiency.
draknyte1
on 9 Sep 2017
Maybe I am not being clear, I will give an example. Here is the total steam production using one charcoal, starting at max heat, for all the steam boilers currently available in the pack:
Small Coal Boiler: 43,200mB
High Pressure Coal Boiler: 48,000mB
Railcraft multiblock boiler: 20,000 to 35,000mB depending on size
Large Bronze Boiler: 32,000mB
Large Tungstensteel Boiler: 48,000mB
The GT++ boilers: more than 500,000mB
It's just not in the scope.
From the high pressure coal boiler to the GT++ LV boiler is at least a 1000% increase in efficiency. For reference, between the large bronze and the large tungstensteel boiler, between 5 tech levels, is only a 50% increase in efficiency, and even then it only reaches the level of the high pressure coal boiler.
ghost
on 9 Sep 2017
@draknyte1 are you able to give us a config option for GTNH we can adjust the output rate?
Dream-Master
on 9 Sep 2017
@draknyte1 any news here?
Dream-Master
on 28 Sep 2017
@Technus can you add a config option for us make the Boiler a bit more balance in GTNH?
Dream-Master
on 4 Oct 2017
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Maybe I am not being clear, I will give an example. Here is the total steam production using one charcoal, starting at max heat, for all the steam boilers currently available in the pack:
Small Coal Boiler: 43,200mB
High Pressure Coal Boiler: 48,000mB
Railcraft multiblock boiler: 20,000 to 35,000mB depending on size
Large Bronze Boiler: 32,000mB
Large Tungstensteel Boiler: 48,000mB
The GT++ boilers: more than 500,000mB
It's just not in the scope.
From the high pressure coal boiler to the GT++ LV boiler is at least a 1000% increase in efficiency. For reference, between the large bronze and the large tungstensteel boiler, between 5 tech levels, is only a 50% increase in efficiency, and even then it only reaches the level of the high pressure coal boiler.