Gt-new-horizons-modpack: Suggestion Botania mod

Created on 8 Oct 2016 · 27Comments · Source: GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack

In many modpacks there is the mod called Botania
That mod has lovely animations and textures. I suggest to place it at thaumcraft level (MV) and use some of its items eg. the terra ingots for witchery and bloodmagic. The Feed-the-beast Infinity Evolved Pack has some hardcore reciepes with this mod.

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If its minetweakable, this mod gets +1 for me. It is a really great one and has cool features

Drobac on 8 Oct 2016

I believe it is! Mod Tweaker

DietmarKracht on 8 Oct 2016

I was actually surprised that this modpack didn't have Botania when I first started playing it. As @DietmarKracht said before me, yes it is Minetweakable. Here's the Botania Support page on the wiki.

So +1 from me too.

bigbass1997 on 8 Oct 2016

Ok if i find time i will look at it.

Dream-Master on 8 Oct 2016

👍1

-1 doesnt really fit the modpack theme
-1 we already have magical duplication available in thaumcraft
-1 we already have flowers in botany mod

Technus on 9 Oct 2016

The mod adds many useful tools/items. While the mod is technically a "magic" mod, there are many things you can automate with it, as if it were a "tech" mod, such as even an automated treefarm.

It does add some redstone and glowstone duplication, but I'm pretty possitive that can be changed.

Even default recipes and such make it a relatively long mod in terms of how long it takes to progress through it, and with recipe changes, I'm sure it can be made even longer.

There is one minor concern though. The mod requires 16 varieties of special flowers that the mod would normally generate. Fortunately though, if the recipe were changed, there is an item known as "Floral Fertilizer" that is similar to bonemeal except that it spawns random of these special flowers on the ground in a small area.

Other description of the mod can be found here, scroll down a bit to the section titled "Magic, Tech. Naturally".

bigbass1997 on 9 Oct 2016

@Technus

-1 we already have magical duplication available in thaumcraft

The duplication recipes in Botania are very few as far as I remember. I believe there was redstone, glowstone, and nether quarts. Besides that, I can't remember anything else that involved duplication.

-1 we already have flowers in botany mod

The flowers in this mod, both the initial ones, and the ones that are crafted, are quite different than any other botany flowers mod. The initial ones that normally are generated are used primarily for crafting. And the ones that are crafted all have functional purposes throughout the mod. Whether just to generate mana or to actually do a function and therefor requiring the use of mana.

bigbass1997 on 9 Oct 2016

Dont see why it wouldnt fit in the pack, it does need a bit more diversity. Also its minetweakable so it can be gregified.
Magical duplication is such a small part of the mod, wouldnt break anything, can probably disabled, and the pack needs a ton of redstone so it aint that bad of an odea, it adds innumerable tools and mechanics that are fun to play with.
Botany flowers and Botania's have very little in common. Botanias are used as essential in the crafting system, botany are just for colour

Drobac on 9 Oct 2016

👍1

I wouldn't like the fact that the (currently really cool looking) overworld would be spammed with the flowers. Would there be an option to only have them spawn dimension or biom specific?

WarlordWossman on 10 Oct 2016

@WarlordWossman The overworld would NOT be spammed with Botania flowers, it would actually NOT have any Botania flowers, unless the overworld was regenerated. I already mentioned this above:

There is one minor concern though. The mod requires 16 varieties of special flowers that the mod would normally generate. Fortunately though, if the recipe were changed, there is an item known as "Floral Fertilizer" that is similar to bonemeal except that it spawns random of these special flowers on the ground in a small area.

Also please note that even if it was regenerated at some point with Botania installed, Botania doesn't really "spam" the flowers everywhere. The mod author has greatly reduced how many spawn.
From Botania's FAQ, "As of the latest versions, the amount of flowers generated by default has been drastically lowred. If you still want to, though, you can lower the frequency (how often they spawn) and the density (how many spawn at once for each "patch") in the config." (permalink)

bigbass1997 on 10 Oct 2016

Makeing Flower recipes are not the problem :P

Dream-Master on 10 Oct 2016

We could think about resetting the Twillight Forest and let the flowers generate only in tf.
With that you wouldn't have to start too early with the mod and the overworld doesnt need to be regenerated.

DietmarKracht on 10 Oct 2016

@DietmarKracht There's other ways that we could restrict access to Botania, without resetting anything. Such as the way I described, or various other ways.

bigbass1997 on 10 Oct 2016

Yes but a special dim have only the Flowers would be nice.

Dream-Master on 10 Oct 2016

True but that consumes a lot more server resources then just adding a crafting recipe.

bigbass1997 on 10 Oct 2016

you have to go to Twilight Anyways to start with Thaumcraft so its ok.

Dream-Master on 10 Oct 2016

There really is no need for a special dimension, if we have to use the Twilight forest thats fine, its meant to be a "mining world" so adding flowers to it and resetting the TF isnt a big issue. Also after you have the first few flowers, it has a mechanic to make more flowers so there isnt going to be an issue with a lack of them
Also fits with the theme of using TF as a starting point for all the magic mods.

Drobac on 10 Oct 2016

👍1

I lok at Botania config and i cant find any cfg for lets spawn Flowers in a special Dimension.

Dream-Master on 10 Oct 2016

Ill check it out later, still its not a big deal even if they spawn in the overworld as well as you can start anything without a petal apothecary for which the recipe can be adjusted to fit the tier

Drobac on 10 Oct 2016

As a side note, there is a Forum for such polls. Anyways; Even if I do like Botania, we're struggling with Server "OutOfMemory" Problems already with 12GB of Ram, and Clients need a crapton of Memory/Beefy CPU to run smooth. Botania adds even more load onto that. Just to keep that in mind. Another Dim for the flowers is a really bad idea. How many Dimensions do you want to add? Our Server resources are not unlimited.

Also I somehow second Tec's opinion about the mod for _this_ pack; Being a "GregTech" pack, and not another "FTB Monster" derivate

Namikon on 11 Oct 2016

Want to make a few comments responding to what @Namikon said above.

I agree completely with Nami on not making a new dimension. As I have already tried to explain, making a whole dimension JUST for flowers that can easily be created using the item I mentioned earlier that acts similar to bonemeal called "Floral Fertilizer", is a really horrible idea. Adding an entirely new dimension will add so much more load onto the server resources, no matter what the specs of the server is.

In terms of does Botania fit the so called "theme" of this modpack, I don't know. Of the 3 or 4 people I asked, none of them seem to know what the theme really is, beyond just making recipes more complex, increasing the longevity of the modpack. Not only that, but if you do say that the theme is "GregTech", then why is Witchery, Twilight Forest, Thaumcraft, and every other magic mod in the pack?

If you want Botania to be "gregified" as some people call it, then please do. Change the recipes to be harder, etc. Botania is more than just a magic mod, it has "tech" in it, and complexity.

Personally I recommend clients have around 3GB minimum; which is pretty good compared to other 1.7.10 modpacks that I've played, requiring at least 4-5GB. Measuring CPU/GPU is a bit harder though.

Also, just because this modpack may have a lot of various mods, doesn't make it an FTB X derivative. In all my time of playing with mods/modpacks (since Industrial Craft 1 first came out), this is the first modpack that I did not either beat or otherwise got bored with, within the first couple weeks. Adding more, especially already complex mods such as Botania, just adds even more complexity, longevity, and fun to the pack.

bigbass1997 on 11 Oct 2016

i want botania!!!!! i love this mod 2 death and its needed for this pack!
Maby not a new Dim but maby crafting for it~!

i love thaumcraft+botania! its so much fun!

Mylezz on 26 Nov 2016

@Mylezz
Other things have a higher prio atm. So if i nerfed all Thaumcraft addon mods and witchery 100% i have time for this. This mod is not easy and huge. Will see when i am done with nerfs.

Dream-Master on 26 Nov 2016

Ok thanks @dream-master!!

Mylezz on 26 Nov 2016

one from me and my community. We love it a lot.

SUGGESTION: Don't enable flower generation. It's messy and ugly and we got enough crap on the ground. Rather let people bone meal for it or use other methods.