After reading through the problem overview the try() proposal and every comment on the try() issue https://github.com/golang/go/issues/32437 I like the idea of try(), thank you everyone for such hard work! The implementations so far have not solved what I view as the issue of error boilerplate, namely the scope of the err
var.
Go scopes errors using inline if
statements, but does not scope errors when a variable needs to be used after.
Scoped:
if err := foo(); err != nil {
if _, err := bar(); err != nil {
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r, err := bar()
if err != nil {
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r := try bar() handle(err error) {
return err
}
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func CopyFile(src, dst string) error {
r := try os.Open(src) handle(err error) {
return err
}
defer try r.Close() handle(err error) {
//handle
}
w := try os.Create(dst) handle(err error) {
return err
}
defer try w.Close() handle(err error) {
//handle
}
try io.Copy(w, r); handle(err error) {
return err
}
try w.Close(); handle(err error) {
return err
}
}
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func main() {
hex := try ioutil.ReadAll(os.Stdin) handle(err error) {
log.Fatal(err)
}
data := try parseHexdump(string(hex)) handle(err error) {
log.Fatal(err)
}
os.Stdout.Write(data)
}
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func AsCommit() error {
return try(try(try(tail()).find()).auth())
}
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func AsCommit() error {
t, err := tail()
if err != nil {
return err
}
f, err := t.find()
if err != nil {
return err
}
if _, err := f.auth(); err != nil {
return err
}
}
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func AsCommit() error {
(try tail() handle(err error) {
return err
}).(try find() handle(err error) {
return err
}).(try auth() handle(err error) {
return err
})
}
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type foo struct {
Value int
}
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func styleA(s string) error {
f := foo{}
var err error
f.Value, err = strconv.Atoi(s)
if err != nil {
return errors.Wrap(err, "value could not be converted")
}
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func styleB(s string) error {
n, err := strconv.Atoi(s)
if err != nil {
return errors.Wrap(err, "value could not be converted")
}
f := foo{
Value: n,
}
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func styleB(s string) error {
f := foo{}
f.Value: try strconv.Atoi(s) handle(err error) {
return errors.Wrap(err, "value could not be converted")
}
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func styleA(s string) error {
f := foo{
Value: (try strconv.Atoi(s) handle(err error) {
return errors.Wrap(err, "value could not be converted")
}),
}
There seems to be a magic variable "err" in the handle block. Where was it defined?
@urandom that is on purpose. The proposal says:
handle
blocks would have an impliciterr
variable
Another way to do this would define handle blocks as handle (err error) {}
, but I thought since this could be used in nearly every third line it would be nice to be more concise.
If handle blocks define variables it cold probably be overloaded to handle ok
functions as well.
Edit: Proposal changed to no longer have an implicit err
I proposed this under the name guard
, based on Swift's guard
keyword. That might have been in the old issue before try()
.
guard f, err := os.Open("hello.txt") {
// err is in scope here
// block must exit
}
// f is in scope here
Some thoughts:
guard
because that's a name used by another language.if
to be adopted.@carlmjohnson although this looks similar to guard
it is different because of the two flow comments you made.
block must exit
The block should not control the flow of your program. Here are some examples why:
Go functions
go try superSlowFunctionThatCanWorkInTheBackground() handle {
log.Println("logging error because function has already returned", err)
}
Loops
for _, v := range foo() {
try validate(v) handle {
log.Println("value in range was invalid", err)
continue //or break
}
}
f is in scope here.
If you do not wait for f
to be in scope you can do inline defaults.
n := try strconv.Atoi(userInput) handle {
n = 10
log.Println("user input could not be converted to a int, using fallback ", n, err)
}
Is try f() handle {}
an expression, or is v := try f() handle {}
the only legal usage? It looks like an expression from some of the ways that it's used, but is
fmt.Printf(
"Result: %v\n",
try strconv.ParseInt(term1, 10, 0) handle { return err } + try strconv.ParseInt(term2, 10, 0) handle { return err }),
)
legal?
I think I prefer this with the explicit variable declaration. It does make it a bit more verbose, but by making it explicit it removes the hidden nature of it and also makes it, as you mentioned, capable of handling other usages such as map retrievals and whatnot.
The biggest issue I have with this is that it puts the actual function call so far down into the line, surrounded by what is essentially boilerplate. It's one of the reasons that I prefer separate if
s for error handling. I find
v, err := strconv.ParseInt(str, 10, 0)
if err != nil {
// ...
}
to be a _lot_ more readable, and easier to edit later, than
if v, err := strconv.ParseInt(str, 10, 0); err != nil {
// ...
}
Might just be my personal preference, though.
@DeedleFake, yes try f() handle {}
is an expression.
I would expect gofmt
to put handle blocks on a new line so you can still see the indentations like you would with if err != nil {}
and you would need to wrap it in ()
to make it work inline.
Your function would probably look like
fmt.Printf(
"Result: %v\n",
(try strconv.ParseInt(term1, 10, 0) handle(err error) {
return err
}) + (try strconv.ParseInt(term2, 10, 0) handle(err error) {
return err
}),
)
@DeedleFake to respond to
I think I prefer this with the explicit variable declaration. It does make it a bit more verbose, but by making it explicit it removes the hidden nature of it and also makes it, as you mentioned, capable of handling other usages such as map retrievals and whatnot.
I haven't put enough thought into the implications, so take this with a bag of salt.
If this isn't implemented until Go2 maybe the return from map retrievals and type assertions should change to return an error
rather than an ok
bool
so new users do not have to understand two flows for handling errors.
I think implicit err
is confusing. And I don't like too much keywords to remember.
@wdc-python-king, I can understand not wanting more keywords there are already a few I don't use like goto
. Does making err explicit make it less confusing?
try foo() handle (err error) {
@mvndaai Explicit err helps. And I'm thinking of a type switch on errors.
result := os.Open(filename) on err NotFound {
// handle case there isn't a file
} on err PermissionDenied {
// handle case you don't have the permission
}
// happy path
// result can be used here if there's no error
The ()
in handle (err error)
is unnecessary because the if
statement doesn't need that too.
The on
could be something else.
And I've got some rules.
Don't add more than one keyword.
Solve error handling problem, not err != nil
.
Keep consistency.
Backward compatibility.
etc.
I want error handling be more powerful and enable us to write more robust code.
Graceful error handling is just harder than anyone thinks.
@wdc-python-king since one of the main goals of changing errors is to reduce boilerplate, being explicit on just err
variable name doesn't make sense unless you plan on nesting and want different names. Which I don't really like.
try foo() handle err (
try bar() handle err2 {
// ...
}
)
The reason I would be okay with handle(name type)
is to make this work for any kind of non-Zero handling of the final parameter returned. It would give extra flexibility to handle things that aren't just error
.
try foo() handle (err myCustomeError) {
try bar() handle (ok bool) {
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try baz() handle (i int) {
@wdc-python-king it seems like you would prefer a type switch on errors, something this is equivalent to this:
if err != nil {
switch v := err.(type) {
case NotFound:
// ...
case PermissionDenied:
// ...
}
return err // don't forget to handle exepected cases
}
}
Coming in 1.13, or currently using xerrors, will be errors.Is
which gives the ability that you want except not as a type switch.
Is
follows the idea of wrapping an error and uses an Unwrap() error
interface. An error could be wrapped with types like this:
error -> NotFound -> DBError -> error -> ...
Here is an example of how you could do what you want:
if err != nil {
if errors.Is(NotFound) {
//...
}
if errors.Is(PermissionDenied) {
// ...
}
return err
}
@mvndaai Yes. With errors.Is
, the boilerplate is still there but somehow part of the problem is solved.
The Go team solved it without adding any language feature, which I would appreciate.
The reason I would be ok with explicit err is to follow the declare before use
convention.
handle err
looks like you're giving the error a name, and then you can do anything with the err
.
IMHO, I would just make handle
do one thing and do it well.
I updated the proposal to make err
explicit. The changed was based on feedback and this quote from the Contracts/generics proposal.
In a language like Go, we expect every identifier to be declared in some way.
@mvndaai Although I think the Go team is unlikely to revisit error handling anytime soon, I do like your proposal and unless there are side-effects I do not yet see I would be happy to see it included in a future version Go. #fwiw
Except for the scoping, there's really not much difference between
r := try os.Open(src) handle(err error) {
return err
}
and the current approach:
r, err := os.Open(src)
if err != nil {
return err
}
In fact, the try
-handle
approach is more verbose by a few characters, requires declaration of the error type, and understanding yet another major language mechanism/syntax (rather than a helper function such as try
) solely for error handling. The use of two keywords is not very economical either given that this is a very specialized statement.
It is very easy to come up with new control flow structures for any language - but it is hard to come up with control flow statements that are universally useful and add significant power. This construct does not add power over what we already have, nor is it universally useful. I don't believe we should add two new keywords and a whole new statement for something we can already write in Go.
@griesemer that is very fair to say that the only thing gained by this is the scoping of the error, but that was kind of the point. I consider an err
variable existing past when it should be handled as an issue with the language.
@mvndaai The point you are making about err
existing past when it should is a point one could make about any value that is returned by a function and only needed in a subsequent test and perhaps for a return
- it's not unique to err
or error handling for that matter. There are plenty of functions that return a bool
to indicate success. I can imagine plenty of scenarios where a function returns multiple values, with one of those values tested to decide whether to continue or return (and where that value is not used anymore even of the function continues).
In other words, the mechanism you are introducing would be far more interesting if it could be used in a variety of scenarios, and if it "just happens" to also work well for errors; especially if the mechanism would also be dead simple. Such a mechanism would amortize the cost and complexity it adds to the language by being more universally useful.
That more universal construct seems to be a plain if
statement. Together with redeclaration in Go, there is really no issue with err
living past its first use, so it can be re-used again and again with other if err != nil
checks. While it would be "nice" to restrict the scope of err
, it doesn't seem to solve an urgent issue.
@griesemer the try
/handle
mechanism could be used in other scenarios since I defined it as
The
handle
block would only run if the final value was non-zero.
Meaning that you could handle a bool or any other type. The main issue with the bool
handling is that Go standard is to return an ok
and we use if !ok {
which is the opposite of non-zero. Using this would mean reversing the bool from ok
to something like failure
.
try foo() handle(failure bool) {
Thinking about this more, a handle(a *b)
wouldn't make much sense because handle
would handle the success case instead of the failure. Thanks for pointing that out.
@mvndaai Exactly. That's also the reason why try
couldn't be trivially generalized to non-error
types. It's hard to improve over the simplicity and conciseness of an if
statement for general use.
For the reasons given above in https://github.com/golang/go/issues/33161#issuecomment-516516105 and subsequent discussion, this is a likely decline.
Leaving open for four week for final comments.
No final comments. Closing.
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Except for the scoping, there's really not much difference between
and the current approach:
In fact, the
try
-handle
approach is more verbose by a few characters, requires declaration of the error type, and understanding yet another major language mechanism/syntax (rather than a helper function such astry
) solely for error handling. The use of two keywords is not very economical either given that this is a very specialized statement.It is very easy to come up with new control flow structures for any language - but it is hard to come up with control flow statements that are universally useful and add significant power. This construct does not add power over what we already have, nor is it universally useful. I don't believe we should add two new keywords and a whole new statement for something we can already write in Go.