docker-sync stop throwing error after update to 0.4.2

Created on 6 May 2017  ·  39Comments  ·  Source: EugenMayer/docker-sync

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docker-sync stop throwing error after update to 0.4.2

$ docker-sync stop
        ok  Stopping sync container php-oxfam-sync
/Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError)
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `stop'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_process.rb:93:in `stop'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:135:in `block in stop'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `each'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `stop'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/tasks/sync/sync.thor:65:in `stop'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/command.rb:27:in `run'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in `invoke_command'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor.rb:369:in `dispatch'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/base.rb:444:in `start'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/bin/docker-sync:14:in `<top (required)>'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/bin/docker-sync:22:in `load'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/bin/docker-sync:22:in `<main>'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/bin/ruby_executable_hooks:15:in `eval'
    from /Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/bin/ruby_executable_hooks:15:in `<main>'

Docker Driver

docker-machine/dinghy+parallels

Sync strategy

unison

OS

OSX 10.12.4

bug help wanted
Source
picture tanc

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I also had this problem. To resolve I had to remove .docker-sync directory then run docker-sync clean.

picture TheRealJAG on 6 Nov 2018
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Thats some leftover container since and the pid is either broken or wrong.

Please clean the stack, rm all volumes/containers for docker sync and start/stop again - this should not happen

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 6 May 2017 
$ docker-sync clean
Error response from daemon: Unable to remove volume, volume still in use: remove php-oxfam-sync: volume is in use - [32356d1492481b7edb7518fef5517c18377add2ff82ee808ae3affb910992b72, 2d173e86fd8e9d0b0a4a4c58bb41253b5ebec7a42c0b8818f3a8535db7e16f67]
     success  Finished cleanup. Removed stopped, removed sync container and removed their volumes
$ docker rm 32356d1492481b7edb7518fef5517c18377add2ff82ee808ae3affb910992b72
32356d1492481b7edb7518fef5517c18377add2ff82ee808ae3affb910992b72
$ docker rm 2d173e86fd8e9d0b0a4a4c58bb41253b5ebec7a42c0b8818f3a8535db7e16f67
2d173e86fd8e9d0b0a4a4c58bb41253b5ebec7a42c0b8818f3a8535db7e16f67
$ docker-sync clean
     success  Finished cleanup. Removed stopped, removed sync container and removed their volumes
$ docker-sync stop
          ok  Stopping sync container php-oxfam-sync
/Users/tanc/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.2/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError)...

What else do I need do remove?

tanc picture tanc on 6 May 2017

remove the volumes and the .docker-sync folder in the project ( old pid )

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 6 May 2017

To inspect any unused volumes check the folowing information about the docker volume command.

https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/volume_ls/#filtering

In short, use the following commands to clean up your docker volumes

Show volumes not associated with a container
docker volume ls -qf dangling=true

Remove volumes not associated with a container
docker volume rm $(docker volume ls -qf dangling=true)

Use at your own risk. Read the docker docs before executing the above commands.

ericmulder1980 picture ericmulder1980 on 8 May 2017

filter is no longer needed

docker volume prune
docker container prune
docker image prune

its all there nowdays

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 8 May 2017

Cool. Just wanted to add some info for people stumbling on this issue and not knowing how to delete these volumes.

Learn somehting new every day 👍

ericmulder1980 picture ericmulder1980 on 8 May 2017

@ericmulder1980 reset your docker cli knowledge, .16 introduced a lot of cool ne stuff - check it out :)

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 8 May 2017

@EugenMayer thanx.

Did some more testing and even after pruning all containers / volumes i still get the same errors posted by @tanc.

docker-sync stop

results in

ok Stopping sync container bejo-sync /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError) from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `stop' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_process.rb:93:in `stop' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:135:in `block in stop' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `each' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `stop' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/tasks/sync/sync.thor:65:in `stop' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/command.rb:27:in `run' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in `invoke_command' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor.rb:369:in `dispatch' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/base.rb:444:in `start' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/bin/docker-sync:14:in `<top (required)>' from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in `load' from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in `<main>'

ericmulder1980 picture ericmulder1980 on 8 May 2017

I cannot reproduct this, and e bet, if you use https://github.com/EugenMayer/docker-sync-boilerplate/tree/master/native_osx_with_user you wont be able to do so either

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 8 May 2017

@EugenMayer in #370 you raise the question if the project should switch back to Unison as default strategy due to several issues with Native OSX strategy. Have these been addressed in the latest release?

ericmulder1980 picture ericmulder1980 on 8 May 2017

No, not yet - thats why i am raising it. It would be only temporary, since native_osx is the better option - but we need to solve some quirks first.

The issue you have is something else so, nothing we would be addressing

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 8 May 2017

@EugenMayer. I am having the same error of @ericmulder1980 and @tanc when i try to execute docker-sync stop:

          ok  Stopping sync container ssh-volume
/Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError)
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `stop'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_process.rb:93:in `stop'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:135:in `block in stop'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `each'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `stop'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/tasks/sync/sync.thor:65:in `stop'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/command.rb:27:in `run'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in `invoke_command'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor.rb:369:in `dispatch'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/base.rb:444:in `start'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/docker-sync-0.4.3/bin/docker-sync:14:in `<top (required)>'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/bin/docker-sync:23:in `load'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/bin/docker-sync:23:in `<main>'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/bin/ruby_executable_hooks:15:in `eval'
    from /Users/gabrielgomes/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/bin/ruby_executable_hooks:15:in `<main>'

This also started to happen after update to version 0.4.2.

My docker-sync.yml:

version: "2"
syncs:
  ssh-volume:
      src: '~/.ssh'
      sync_userid: 0
      sync_strategy: 'unison'
  mysql-data:
      src: '~/docker-sync/mysql'
      sync_userid: 0
      sync_strategy: 'unison'
  project:
      src: '.'
      sync_userid: 0
      sync_strategy: 'unison'

An interesting point is that even getting error, the first unison container have been stopped, remaining the others:

image

I imagined that it could be something that occurs starting from the second volume, but i got the same error when i made i test with a single unison volume configured in docker-sync.yml.

gbgdev picture gbgdev on 9 May 2017

@gbgdev you have this issue even with unison as strategy? in 0.4.x we neither changed anything on unison nor we worked on the daemon code. So either this issue is related to something which was there in 0.3.x or i cannot imagine where to start searching.

It could be a multi-sync issue..not sure - but you already made the test to prove me wrong.

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 9 May 2017

@masterful could you imagine something?

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 9 May 2017

I don't have a mac to test this with anymore - but my hunch is it's because of this addition:
https://github.com/EugenMayer/docker-sync/commit/7e324508c12103621af42774f8045479867c7ee8#diff-459fc0487c463d789f68791b54b187c3R65

Calling stop on the sync_manager presumes that the instance you're referencing has started up its own process. However, because calling docker-sync stop doesn't start the sync/watch processes it doesn't have a reference to a previous invocation's pids (it's why we store the parent process pid in a configurable file so we can kill it later). I'm guessing you didn't run into this because you're not using unison watch strategy in your current environment?

Does that help?

masterful picture masterful on 9 May 2017

@masterful thank you! i kinda understand where you are heading too, i will try to dig into that. great!

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 9 May 2017

Is this still reproducable with 0.4.6

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 18 May 2017

@EugenMayer Yes, it still have error on 0.4.6 version

it is new project

sync strategy: unison

...
/Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError)
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `stop'
...
tureki picture tureki on 18 May 2017

@EugenMayer I also experience this bug. But it's not urgent, only slightly annoying. After stop, I can just run start and sync will work just fine. This warning might be because the way Unison sync_strategy return the watch fork result. I'm not too familiar with ruby forking, so cannot help much for this bug.

donnykurnia picture donnykurnia on 20 May 2017

Additional information. When I do this, it works fine:

kill `cat .docker-sync/daemon.pid`
docker-sync start

Using kill is enough to get all unison, unison-fsmonitor, and daemon process killed. Here is the result of ps -A before kill and after.

Before kill:

$ ps A|grep daemon
...
72876   ??  S      0:00.11 daemon
72939   ??  S      0:00.00 daemon
72953   ??  S      0:00.00 daemon
...
$ ps A|grep unison
...
72941   ??  S      0:01.01 unison -ignore=Name .DS_Store -ignore=Name ._* /Users/donnykurnia/data/the_project/vendor/bundle -auto -batch -prefer /Users/donnykurnia/data/the_project/vendor/bundle -copyonconflict socket://192.168.101.100:32775 -repeat watch
72945   ??  S      0:02.99 /usr/local/Cellar/unox/0.2.0_1/libexec/bin/python /usr/local/bin/unison-fsmonitor
72954   ??  S      0:00.14 unison -ignore=Name vendor/bundle -ignore=Name vendor/cache -ignore=Name tmp/cache -ignore=Name public/assets -ignore=Name .git* -ignore=Name .DS_Store -ignore=Name ._* -ignore=Name .docker* -ignore=Name docker*yml -ignore=Name Dockerfile* -ignore=Name notes -ignore=Name data /Users/donnykurnia/data/the_project -auto -batch -prefer /Users/donnykurnia/data/the_project -
copyonconflict socket://192.168.101.100:32776 -repeat watch
72955   ??  S      1:09.56 /usr/local/Cellar/unox/0.2.0_1/libexec/bin/python /usr/local/bin/unison-fsmonitor

After kill, all the process above not shown again in the ps A result.

So, maybe for unison watch strategy, all its need is only kill, and thor script already doing it on https://github.com/EugenMayer/docker-sync/blob/master/tasks/sync/sync.thor#L69. I only tested this in VirtualBox docker machine.

donnykurnia picture donnykurnia on 21 May 2017

I'm also getting this exception on v0.4.6 and after cleaning all the volumes

Using unison strategy with docker-machine.

screen shot 2017-05-29 at 2 30 07 pm

yborunov picture yborunov on 29 May 2017
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@yborunov Yes, me too. Same version, same error.

deantomasevic picture deantomasevic on 4 Jun 2017

@donnykurnia thanks for the kill tip, that seems to work nicely for me while docker-sync stop always throws an error. Note that the kill `cat .docker-sync/daemon.pid` command needs to be run where the docker-sync.yml lives.

tanc picture tanc on 5 Jun 2017

Additional information:
Using native_osx strategy, docker-sync stop works perfectly and will not throw any errors. I think this is caused by the watch strategy execution.

donnykurnia picture donnykurnia on 13 Jun 2017

@tanc of course, unless you know the absolute path for the daemon.pid file location, or find the correct PID from ps then use it for kill.

donnykurnia picture donnykurnia on 13 Jun 2017

The solutions above haven't worked for me, as unison always restarts itself.

 grasdaggel@MPBMS  ~/Documents/Projekte/m2   master  docker-sync stop
          ok  Stopping sync container m2-native
/Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError)
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `stop'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_process.rb:93:in `stop'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:135:in `block in stop'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `each'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in `stop'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/tasks/sync/sync.thor:65:in `stop'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/command.rb:27:in `run'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in `invoke_command'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor.rb:369:in `dispatch'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor/base.rb:444:in `start'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/bin/docker-sync:14:in `<top (required)>'
    from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in `load'
    from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in `<main>'
grasdaggel picture grasdaggel on 20 Aug 2017

Hi,
Have anybody solve this problem? Are there any possibilities how to fix it? Thanks.

bedrich-schindler picture bedrich-schindler on 31 Oct 2017
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I'm suffering the same problem with unison. When "docker-sync stop", the result is:

/Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError) from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:instop'
from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_process.rb:93:in stop' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:135:inblock in stop'
from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:in each' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:134:instop'
from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/tasks/sync/sync.thor:65:in stop' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor/command.rb:27:inrun'
from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in invoke_command' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor.rb:387:indispatch'
from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor/base.rb:466:in start' from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.4.6/bin/docker-sync:14:in from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in load' from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in

'

jordicasadevall picture jordicasadevall on 17 Nov 2017

Having this problem too. Happens with fresh install of everything on all my macbooks

asentner picture asentner on 30 Dec 2017

The problem remains after upgrading docker-sync to v0.5.2

jordicasadevall picture jordicasadevall on 1 Jan 2018

Same here on v0.5.2 and Ubuntu WSL on windows

sameronline picture sameronline on 13 Jan 2018
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Anyone know if this is being worked on?

asentner picture asentner on 27 Jan 2018

nobody is working on this ATM

EugenMayer picture EugenMayer on 27 Jan 2018 
Error response from daemon: container ".....": already exists
Error: failed to start containers: ...-sources-sync
/Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_strategy/native_osx.rb:97:in `start_container': Start failed (RuntimeError)
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_process.rb:105:in `start_container'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:99:in `block in start_container'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:98:in `each'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/lib/docker-sync/sync_manager.rb:98:in `start_container'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/tasks/sync/sync.thor:163:in `daemonize'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/tasks/sync/sync.thor:47:in `start'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor/command.rb:27:in `run'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor/invocation.rb:126:in `invoke_command'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor.rb:387:in `dispatch'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/thor-0.20.0/lib/thor/base.rb:466:in `start'
    from /Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/bin/docker-sync:14:in `<top (required)>'
    from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in `load'
    from /usr/local/bin/docker-sync:23:in `<main>'

I use docker-sync-stack clean and after then I work normally. But when I restart my docker machine, this error reappears.

massimo-me picture massimo-me on 21 Feb 2018

I've tried "docker-sync-stack clean" before docker-sync start, but when i do docker-sync stop I get again the error:
Library/Ruby/Gems/2.3.0/gems/docker-sync-0.5.2/lib/docker-sync/watch_strategy/unison.rb:30:in `kill': no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError)

jordicasadevall picture jordicasadevall on 21 Feb 2018

I have no daemon.pid in .docker-sync folder, even when it's running. Show i apply any extra configs for the unison strategy ?

dimonixx picture dimonixx on 27 Mar 2018

Take a look in your .docker-sync/daemon.log - you will see that the watcher crashes, because you are trying to watch more files than your fs allows (Here's the fix).

After increasing the watcher file limit and re-adjusting your sync_excludes + watch_excludes (mine: sync_excludes: ['.DS_Store', '.idea', '.git', 'docker', 'dev', '*.txt', '*.md', '*.log'] and watch_excludes: ['.git', 'node_modules', 'vendor', '.gitignore'] for a Magento2 project) a deamon.pid should be created and it won't crash anymore 😎

adshrc picture adshrc on 22 Apr 2018

I created a PR to address the no implicit conversion from nil to integer (TypeError) exception thrown on docker-sync stop. See #578

asentner picture asentner on 27 May 2018

I also had this problem. To resolve I had to remove .docker-sync directory then run docker-sync clean.

TheRealJAG picture TheRealJAG on 6 Nov 2018
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