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There are a lot of questions on how the acquisition of the Bluetooth signal exactly works and there is no FAQ entry to answer such questions.
Pls. find below some first proposals that could be added in the section "Application" / "Anwendung"
DE
Wie lang muss die Begegnung sein, damit sie gezÀhlt wird?
Die durch die Corona-Warn-App genutzte Schnittstelle der jeweiligen GerĂ€te fĂŒhrt alle 3 bis 5 Minuten einen 4-sekĂŒndigen Scan durch. Damit eine Begegnung sicher erfasst wird, muss sie mindestens 5 Minuten andauern. Das bedeutet aber auch, dass eine sehr kurze Begegnung erfasst werden kann, sofern sie in den 4-sekĂŒndigen Scanvorgang fĂ€llt. Zum Beispiel kann eine 4-sekĂŒndige Begegnung an der Ampel zur Anzeige einer Begegnung mit einem niedrigen Risiko fĂŒhren.
Werden Begegnungen, die nicht in diesen Scan-Vorgang fallen, dann nicht gezÀhlt?
Das ist richtig. Allerdings werden Begegnungen gemÀà der Vorgaben des Robert-Koch-Instituts erst gezĂ€hlt, wenn sie ĂŒber mehrere Minuten angedauert haben, d.h. implizit eh innerhalb mehrere ScanvorgĂ€nge erfasst wurden.
Was ist der maximale Abstand, damit eine Begegnung erfasst wird?
Es werden alle Begegnungen so lange gezÀhlt, wie das Bluetooth-Signal reicht. Auf freier Sicht der Handys kann die Sichtweise durchaus 15m oder mehr betragen.
Wie ist die Reichweite des Bluetooth-Signals und wie verÀndert es sich bei DÀmpfung (Handy in der Tasche, etc.)?
Eine Anzeige von Risikobegegnungen wird in der Regel nicht beeintrĂ€chtigt und eventuelle UmgebungseinflĂŒsse sind in unserem Berechnungsalgorithmen berĂŒcksichtigt. Mit Bluetooth Low Energy (LE) haben wir aber auch eine Technik im Einsatz, die durch Umgebungsfaktoren beeinflussbar ist.
EN
How long must the encounter be for it to be counted?
The interface of the respective devices used by the Corona-Warn-App carries out a 4-second scan every 3 to 5 minutes. For an encounter to be reliably detected, it must last at least 5 minutes. However, this also means that a very short encounter can be detected, provided it falls within the 4-second scan. For example, a 4-second encounter at a traffic light can result in a low-risk encounter being displayed.
Are encounters that do not fall within this scan not counted?
This is correct. However, according to the specifications of the Robert Koch Institute, encounters are only counted if they have lasted for several minutes, i.e. if they have been implicitly recorded within several scanning processes anyway.
What is the maximum distance for an encounter to be recorded?
All encounters are counted as long as the Bluetooth signal lasts. On free view of the cell phones, the visibility can be 15m or more.
What is the range of the Bluetooth signal and how does it change with attenuation (cell phone in the pocket, etc.)?
A display of risk encounters is usually not affected and possible environmental influences are taken into account in our calculation algorithm. With Bluetooth Low Energy (LE), however, we also have a technology in use that can be influenced by environmental factors.
@MikeMcC399 : Would you mind reading the English version? ;)
@loki-cui
I think it would be good to not use "Bluetooth LE" but rather the full term: "Bluetooth Low Energy".
This will help non-technical users to understand the text better. đ
@loki-cui
Would you mind reading the English version? ;)
In both languages Bluetooth is spelled incorrectly in the title as "Bluthooth".
Also in the title of this issue "New FAQ entry reg. blutooth measurments" bluetooth and measurements are spelled incorrectly.
I'm afraid that I don't find the article well explained or very helpful in German. On top of that, the English version loses a bit more in the translation. I think it needs to be re-written and explained in terms of what Bluetooth events and conditions cause a green encounter and what cause a red encounter to be displayed. I would not recommend publishing it in this form (neither the German, nor the English version).
@dsarkar
It's a minor point, but "measurments" in the title of the issue is still spelled incorrectly.
I'm just working on some detailed comments on the English text and I will post them later today.
Okay, changing LE to Low Energy and correct the obvious misspelling in 'Bluethooth' is done ;)
What do you think about a content change in such a direction? (I'll start with DE only and will only do a translation if we agree on the content)
Das Infektionsrisiko wird aus folgenden Faktoren berechnet:
(1) Dauer der Begegnung
(2) Abstand bei der Begegnung
(3) Zeit, die seit der Begegnung vergangen ist
(4) InfektiositÀt (abgeleitet aus der Information, wann und ob die Symptome eingesetzt haben)
Ăberschreitet der daraus ermittelte Risikowert eine Schwelle, die das Robert Koch-Institut vorgibt, erhalten die Benutzer*innen eine Benachrichtigung ĂŒber ein erhöhtes Infektionsrisiko. Sollten die genannten Schwellenwerte unterschritten worden sein, sind zwar die Bedingungen fĂŒr eine Begegnung mit erhöhtem Risiko nicht erfĂŒllt, die Anzahl an Begegnungen wĂŒrde sich aber trotzdem erhöhen.
Wie lang muss die Begegnung sein, damit sie gezÀhlt wird?
Die durch die Corona-Warn-App genutzte Schnittstelle der jeweiligen GerĂ€te fĂŒhrt alle 3 bis 5 Minuten einen 4-sekĂŒndigen Scan nach anderen GerĂ€ten durch. Sehr kurze Begegnungen - bspw. eine Begegnung an einer Ampel oder auf einem Parkplatz - können daher zwar in den Scan-Vorgang fallen, werden jedoch nur als Begegnung mit niedrigem Risiko aufgefĂŒhrt. AbhĂ€ngig von der Dauer, Abstand, Zeit und InfektiositĂ€t dieser Begegnung, erhalten die Nutzer*innen eine Meldung mit entsprechend niedrigem Risiko (grĂŒn) oder hohem Risiko (rot).
Wie ist die Reichweite des Bluetooth-Signals?
Es werden alle Begegnungen so lange gezÀhlt, wie das Bluetooth-Signal reicht. Auf freier Sicht der Handys kann die Sichtweise durchaus 15m oder mehr betragen.
Wie verÀndert sich die Reichweite bei DÀmpfung (Handy in der Tasche, etc.)?
Die Anzeige von Risikobegegnungen wird in der Regel nicht beeintrĂ€chtigt und eventuelle UmgebungseinflĂŒsse wurden in den Berechnungsalgorithmen berĂŒcksichtigt. Mit Bluetooth Low Energy haben wir aber jedoch eine Technik im Einsatz, die durch Umgebungsfaktoren beeinflussbar ist. Eine höhere DĂ€mpfung kann entweder bedeuten, dass das andere GerĂ€t weiter entfernt ist oder dass etwas zwischen den GerĂ€ten das Signal blockiert. Dies können Objekte wie eine Wand, aber auch Menschen oder Tiere sein.
Wie verhĂ€lt sich die Corona-Warn-App, wenn eine infizierte Person in einem Abstand von 5 bis 10 Metern am Haus vorbeilĂ€uft? Wird diese âBegegnungâ erfasst?
Selbst wenn es in dieser Situation nicht zu einer Begegnung mit einem erhöhten Risiko kommt, ist es technisch durchaus möglich, dass die Kennung anderer Nutzer*innen empfangen wurde, beispielsweise, wenn das eigene Telefon auf der Fensterbank lag. Durch diese âBegegnungâ wĂŒrde sich zwar keine Begegnung mit erhöhtem Risiko ergeben, durchaus aber die Anzahl der Begegnungen verĂ€ndern.
@loki-cui
Since you asked me to comment on the original English version, that is what I did. I will still let you have these comments, even though you have now re-written the German text. You might see what I was having difficulty with in the first version. I will look at your new German version.
I think anything you write should be based on explaining, extending or translating what is already in the app documentation on https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/master/cwa-risk-assessment.md
@loki-cui
The comments are now obsolete, but I am posting them anyway.
Original text | Comments
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How does the acquisition via Bluetooth signal actually work and what is the logic behind it? | Â
*How long must the encounter be for it to be counted? | Suggest: "How long must the encounter last for it to be counted?"
The interface of the respective devices used by the Corona-Warn-App carries out a 4-second scan every 3 to 5 minutes. | Suggest: "Each mobile device used by the Corona-Warn-App carries out a 4-second scan every 3 to 5 minutes."
For an encounter to be reliably detected, it must last at least 5 minutes. | This isn't about reliably detecting. It is about registering the encounter as a candidate for increased risk, if in addition the encounter was also measured as close enough. Suggest: "For an encounter to be used in the evaluation for increased risk, it must last at least 5 minutes, which means that it must have been detected at least in two consecutive scans." This however contradicts what it said in https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/master/cwa-risk-assessment.md "All encounters for a diagnosis key that lasted less than 10 minutes in total (regardless of how close the smartphones came during that time) or during which the smartphones were more than 8 meters (>73 dB attenuation) apart on average (regardless of how long the encounter lasted) are discarded as negligible risk."
However, this also means that a very short encounter can be detected, provided it falls within the 4-second scan. | "this" in this sentence refers to the first sentence of the paragraph, so it is difficult to understand.
For example, a 4-second encounter at a traffic light can result in a low-risk encounter being displayed. | You could combine the two sentences and say: "A short single encounter during the 4-second scan, such as at a traffic light, can be later used in the evaluation for low risk."
*Are encounters that do not fall within this scan not counted? | This is a double negative. Suggest "What happens to encounters outside the 4-second scan?"
This is correct. | This sentence answers the question in the sub-title. If the title is changed then the answer would need to be changed to "Encounters outside the 4-second scan are not registered."
However, according to the specifications of the Robert Koch Institute, encounters are only counted if they have lasted for several minutes, i.e. if they have been implicitly recorded within several scanning processes anyway. | This sentence answers another question, but this question was already answered in the previous sub-title. Also it introduces the Robert Koch Institute in the middle of the explanation, which is confusing, as though this is the only place where RKI has something to say. Suggest removing this sentence and adding an explanation into the sentence about 5 minutes as already written above.
*What is the maximum distance for an encounter to be recorded? | Â
All encounters are counted as long as the Bluetooth signal lasts. | This sentence sounds like it is describing time not distance. Suggest: "All encounters are recorded independently of the distance."
On free view of the cell phones the visibility can be 15m or more. | Signals from the Bluetooth Low Energy technology used by the Corona-Warn-App can reach other mobile devices which are 15 meters distant or even further away outdoors. Any encounters which were more than 8 meters away are however discarded in the risk assessment.
*What is the range of the Bluetooth signal and how does it change with attenuation (cell phone in the pocket, etc.)? | This question is mixed up with the previous one. I suggest removing this question and combining with the previous one.
A display of risk encounters is usually not affected and possible environmental influences are taken into account in our calculation algorithm. With Bluetooth LE, however, we also have a technology in use that can be influenced by environmental factors. | This contradicts what it said in https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/master/cwa-risk-assessment.md. Environment does affect the signal and cannot be taken into account. The mobile device can't detect for instance if there is a physical separation between another device, such as in an apartment block with a wooden floor / ceiling between flats on adjacent floors.
@loki-cui
Since you asked me to comment on the original English version, that is what I did. I will still let you have these comments, even though you have now re-written the German text. You might see what I was having difficulty with in the first version. I will look at your new German version.I think anything you write should be based on explaining, extending or translating what is already in the app documentation on https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/master/cwa-risk-assessment.md
@MikeMcC399 Sorry that our work has overlapped ;) Hope the new proposal fits better.
We'd like to enhance the FAQ section by less technical information in order to also provide some basic information for "normal users" that just want to understand the app better. So please consider this in your review :)
@loki-cui
At first glance, your new proposal is much more readable. I will take a detailed look at it soon.
In the heading:
"Wie funktioniert die Erfassung von Begegnungen via Bluethooth-Signal und wie wird mein Infektionsrisiko berechnet?"
Bluetooth is still spelled incorrectly though.
Wie ist die Reichweite des Bluetooth-Signals?
Es werden alle Begegnungen so lange gezÀhlt, wie das Bluetooth-Signal reicht. Auf freier Sicht der Handys kann die Sichtweise durchaus 15m oder mehr betragen.
I think this section could use some improvement.
Suggestions:
Wie ist die Reichweite des Bluetooth-Signals?
Wie groĂ ist die Reichweite des Bluetooth-Signals?
Es werden alle Begegnungen so lange gezÀhlt, wie das Bluetooth-Signal reicht.
Alle Begegnungen in Reichweite des Bluetooth-Signals werden erfasst.
Auf freier Sicht der Handys kann die Sichtweise durchaus 15m oder mehr betragen.
Wenn sich zwischen den GerÀten keine Hindernisse befinden, kann die Reichweite durchaus 15m oder mehr betragen.
Edit: Additionally, change "Telefon"->"GerÀt"
@MikeMcC399
Very good points đ
I just want to stress your last point as it is still relevant for the new version:
Original text | Comments
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A display of risk encounters is usually not affected and possible environmental influences are taken into account in our calculation algorithm. With Bluetooth LE, however, we also have a technology in use that can be influenced by environmental factors. | This contradicts what it said in corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation@master/cwa-risk-assessment.md. Environment does affect the signal and cannot be taken into account. The mobile device can't detect for instance if there is a physical separation between another device, such as in an apartment block with a wooden floor / ceiling between flats on adjacent floors.
This is a very important point: in the best case (calibrated) BLE attenuation works as a noisy proxy for distance, but in non-optimal conditions this becomes very unreliable to put it mildly (cf. e.g. here and here). And contrary to the original text there is actually no mechanism within CWA or ENF which would mitigate this at least not to my knowledge.
sorry for closing and opening ->pressed the wrong button by mistake...
Thank you all for your feedback. We're trying to take everything into account, but as the issue will be completey revised and splitted into separate questions after the release 1.9.1, I'd to close this one.
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@loki-cui
The comments are now obsolete, but I am posting them anyway.
Original text | Comments
-- | --
How does the acquisition via Bluetooth signal actually work and what is the logic behind it? | Â
*How long must the encounter be for it to be counted? | Suggest: "How long must the encounter last for it to be counted?"
The interface of the respective devices used by the Corona-Warn-App carries out a 4-second scan every 3 to 5 minutes. | Suggest: "Each mobile device used by the Corona-Warn-App carries out a 4-second scan every 3 to 5 minutes."
For an encounter to be reliably detected, it must last at least 5 minutes. | This isn't about reliably detecting. It is about registering the encounter as a candidate for increased risk, if in addition the encounter was also measured as close enough. Suggest: "For an encounter to be used in the evaluation for increased risk, it must last at least 5 minutes, which means that it must have been detected at least in two consecutive scans." This however contradicts what it said in https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/master/cwa-risk-assessment.md "All encounters for a diagnosis key that lasted less than 10 minutes in total (regardless of how close the smartphones came during that time) or during which the smartphones were more than 8 meters (>73 dB attenuation) apart on average (regardless of how long the encounter lasted) are discarded as negligible risk."
However, this also means that a very short encounter can be detected, provided it falls within the 4-second scan. | "this" in this sentence refers to the first sentence of the paragraph, so it is difficult to understand.
For example, a 4-second encounter at a traffic light can result in a low-risk encounter being displayed. | You could combine the two sentences and say: "A short single encounter during the 4-second scan, such as at a traffic light, can be later used in the evaluation for low risk."
*Are encounters that do not fall within this scan not counted? | This is a double negative. Suggest "What happens to encounters outside the 4-second scan?"
This is correct. | This sentence answers the question in the sub-title. If the title is changed then the answer would need to be changed to "Encounters outside the 4-second scan are not registered."
However, according to the specifications of the Robert Koch Institute, encounters are only counted if they have lasted for several minutes, i.e. if they have been implicitly recorded within several scanning processes anyway. | This sentence answers another question, but this question was already answered in the previous sub-title. Also it introduces the Robert Koch Institute in the middle of the explanation, which is confusing, as though this is the only place where RKI has something to say. Suggest removing this sentence and adding an explanation into the sentence about 5 minutes as already written above.
*What is the maximum distance for an encounter to be recorded? | Â
All encounters are counted as long as the Bluetooth signal lasts. | This sentence sounds like it is describing time not distance. Suggest: "All encounters are recorded independently of the distance."
On free view of the cell phones the visibility can be 15m or more. | Signals from the Bluetooth Low Energy technology used by the Corona-Warn-App can reach other mobile devices which are 15 meters distant or even further away outdoors. Any encounters which were more than 8 meters away are however discarded in the risk assessment.
*What is the range of the Bluetooth signal and how does it change with attenuation (cell phone in the pocket, etc.)? | This question is mixed up with the previous one. I suggest removing this question and combining with the previous one.
A display of risk encounters is usually not affected and possible environmental influences are taken into account in our calculation algorithm. With Bluetooth LE, however, we also have a technology in use that can be influenced by environmental factors. | This contradicts what it said in https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/master/cwa-risk-assessment.md. Environment does affect the signal and cannot be taken into account. The mobile device can't detect for instance if there is a physical separation between another device, such as in an apartment block with a wooden floor / ceiling between flats on adjacent floors.