Csswg-drafts: [css-text-3] Should enclosed counting rods / tai xuan jing / yi jing hexagrams be space-discarding?

[fantasai]

In #337 we decided to key line-break transformation behavior by Unicode Block. Most of the blocks are pretty straightforward: Han, Kana, Yi, and CJK punctuation blokcs discard, and everything else converts to a space. But there are a few interesting cases...

One interesting case are some symbols that seem to originate primarily in CJK usage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yijing_Hexagram_Symbols_(Unicode_block)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taixuanjing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_Rod_Numerals_(Unicode_block)

Our intent is to discard if it's safe to do so (Chinese / Japanese context) but not otherwise (Korean, English, etc.). Note that we only discard if both sides (before and after) the line break are part of the space-discarding character set.

What should we do with these blocks?

[kojiishi]

From the example pictures submitted to Unicode, none of them use spaces to delimit words, so I prefer to include, but I'm fine not to if others think so.

[dscorbett]

Is it worth keeping the hexagrams’ behavior consistent with the monograms’ and trigrams’ in Miscellaneous Symbols?

[r12a]

discard if it's safe to do so (Chinese / Japanese context) but not otherwise (Korean, English, etc.).

I wasn't able to find the text in https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#line-break-transform that indicates how the browser determines whether it's in a CJ context or not.

My current thinking is that it will be important to identify language settings before applying the discard rules.

[r12a]

For example, the counting rods block also contains Western tally marks, and it may be better to keep spaces between those if they appear on either side of a line break in English content.

[frivoal]

I wasn't able to find the text in https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/#line-break-transform that indicates how the browser determines whether it's in a CJ context or not.

For now, it doesn't. It could be change to take the lang attribute into account if we wanted to introduce some notion of a language dependent context.

[fantasai]

@r12a @frivoal I think the CSSWG wanted to avoid introducing language-dependency for the space-discarding rules.

My take on this, based on @dscorbett’s comment, is to exclude these characters from the space-discarding set. Based on that I propose to close this issue as no change.

[kojiishi]

Looks good to me.

[css-meeting-bot]

The CSS Working Group just discussed [css-text-3] Should enclosed counting rods / tai xuan jing / yi jing hexagrams be space-discarding?, and agreed to the following:

• RESOLVED: Close no change

The full IRC log of that discussion

<dael> Topic: [css-text-3] Should enclosed counting rods / tai xuan jing / yi jing hexagrams be space-discarding?

<dael> github: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4993#issuecomment-633723924

<dael> fantasai: Line breaks between these character categories are dropped. Do we include these symbols in that set? Prop in issue is no

<dael> fantasai: Reason is to keep hexagrams consistent with misc symbols block. koji and I think this is good idea, checking with WG. Prop: close no change

<dael> astearns: Richard's opinion?

<dael> fantasai: Mentioned countring rods might be used in western context so keeping space is better idea. That's in favor of no change

<dael> astearns: Other comments?

<dael> astearns: Prop: Close no change to current spec

<florian> +1

<dael> astearns: Anything clarifying?

<dael> fantasai: No, it's an explicit list of codepoints

<dael> RESOLVED: Close no change