Cataclysm-dda: New satiety mechanic needs fixing

[Tharn]

Describe the bug
A character with no hunger or thirst status, i.e. neutral.
I give him a couple of deluxe beans & rice - nothing happens.
I give him clean water like 6 or 7 times - suddenly he is sated.
I hit the wait button. The 'sated' status keeps flicking on and off every other turn.
I give him some more solid food - the 'sated' status disappears.

Is this just working on a delay, or what's going on?

Versions and configuration(please complete the following information):

• OS: Win 8.1 x64
• Game Version: 8746
• Graphics version: Tiles

[Hatfish]

I had a similar issue, I tried to drink from a puddle and ended up drinking about 50 units of water without any change in my actual thirst (judging by the movement debuff in the stats page), but a very confused status window that couldn't tell whether I had ate a lot or drank a lot.

[Tharn]

Even if it worked without issue, separating satiety from kcal only makes this mechanic more opaque. A solution in search of a problem. But that's just my opinion.

[TheMurderUnicorn]

I don't hate the concept, but I'm running into similar issues. My character no longer prompts me for overeating (because they don't even know they're full) and the sated/hydrated flags keep blinking in and out of existence. My character goes from 'very hungry' to no status (as though I'm not hungry) and then suddenly becomes very hungry a few minutes later.

Also, though I get the concept, my character shouldn't be able to drink water 11+ times without my status changing or at least telling me that I'm drinking too much. (Because I didn't know there was a change I thought something was wrong with my character that they were drinking without any change)

[pjf]

Linking in #28049 as the relevant pull-request here.

My main feedback from having played with the new mechanics is that drinking/quenching feels like it should have an instant effect. I ended up drinking 1.5 litres of water because my thirsty flag wouldn't clear, only to feel turgid a few turns later.

[SkuliAdams]

I have seen a similar blinking effect with fullness. After I ate some food while neutral, my character became full. But full would be removed, then return, then be gone again as I waited.

[KorGgenT]

current plan is make water more immediate, but leave hunger alone for a while longer.

[Xpyder]

With this new hunger mechanic, we should have some way to check our weight to make sure we're not too skinny or fat

[KorGgenT]

fatness isn't implemented yet. you'll see a speed negative in the @ menu for starvation for now.

[Xpyder]

ok, can you still die of starvation?

If so, I hope there are reliable feedback mechanisms like maybe skinny status, leading to progressive weakness, leading to increased tiredness, leading to heart attacks (with a chance to kill you), leading to total organ failure and guaranteed death

On a related note, are the details of the new satiety mechanic explained anywhere in game? Because it seems confusing currently, and until it is we may be getting a lot of similar "bug" reports

[pjf]

Reporting in that 'consuming' bandages¹ makes my hunger go away. I know my character's first aid skill is low, so they might just be really confused as to how to treat a stomach wound.

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¹ Or at least boiled, makeshift bandages

[Tatterdemalian]

Not sure when/why this was changed, but this is quickly turning into another "vitamin deficiency" imbroglio that can't be solved with the Simplified Nutrition patch. Maybe a new "Simplified Satiety" patch is in order?

[l29ah]

I'm starting to like this change, since now i can stockpile a lot more food and water in my body :]