Bids-specification: BRAIN Initiative Standards Grant for September 6, 2019 submission

[Shotgunosine]

Discussion in #104 raised the idea of getting BRAIN Initiative funding to support ongoing maintenance. I'm starting this thread for discussion of what that support might look like.

I'm envisioning creation of a smallish BIDS board (5 or so individuals) made up of co-investigators on this grant who each get ~10% salary support. The BIDS board would be tasked with filling 20 year-long BIDS Maintainer positions, each of which would be 5%-10% effort positions also compensated through funds from the grant. Putting some really rough numbers to it, the yearly budget for such an effort would be ~$180,000. We could potentially ask for some funding for education an outreach activities for BIDS as well.

The next submission period for BRAIN Initiative standards grants is September 6th, 2019, and the full RFA can be found here.

[yarikoptic]

Sounds like it would be really useful.

• Should be done careful though to not overlap with existing (or submitted/planned) awards directed toward specific BIDS developments, such as BIDS Derivatives
• Education and outreach should be explicit items to target. But could also be expanded/tuned toward "tools developers" to facilitate BIDS support among the tools.
• Could also support development of core libraries (e.g., pybids)

[PeerHerholz]

I actually managed to get a small grant (5K) in 2017 to do open science related stuff that also included BIDS and free workshops (e.g., here and here) that I did together with @miykael, @DejanDraschkow and @jona-sassenhagen. I don't know if that would be helpful, e.g. for the education and outreach part @yarikoptic mentioned!? Happy to talk about it and provide details.

[Shotgunosine]

If the grant does happen it will definitely be done in close consultation with the community and we'll check in with the folks in extramural to make sure that the new grant is sufficiently differentiated from existing funding.

@PeerHerholz would you be willing to post a link to the text of your grant? I think it might make a useful starting point for thinking about the education and outreach efforts we propose here.

[francopestilli]

This sounds like a good idea.

[PeerHerholz]

Hey @Shotgunosine, hey @francopestilli,

super sorry for the late reply, I was finishing my thesis... .
Unfortunately, the submission is in German and does not directly reference BIDS, but "open neuroscience workshops" during which we did BIDS, BIDSapps, etc. . However, I can translate the text and gather information and materials (pics, twitter feeds) about our workshops in case it would be helpful.

[poldrack]

The BIDS Derivatives grant is currently in a no-cost extension (ending august 2020) so there shouldn't be any concern about overlap.

[satra]

perhaps also worthwhile to consider a software grant to improve tooling around the specification. the next deadline for this is feb 2020.

[dorahermes]

+1 on software/tooling

[francopestilli]

+1 on software/tooling

[franklin-feingold]

@satra by chance did you have the specific call for this?

[satra]

here is one: https://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/rfa-mh-19-147.html

but i think there are a few other RFAs on software out there. i'll try to find them.

[PeerHerholz]

What about the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative RFA for "Essential Open Source Software for Science"?

The deadline is either early February or August 2020. However, I'm not entirely sure if the work proposed here would be considered eligible (given the already tremendous and still increasing importance and impact of BIDS, I think it does/should) and how folks feel about this. Maybe someone with more experience regarding these funding sources (@satra, @yarikoptic, @poldrack), as well as the community could provide feedback!?

[poldrack]

yep, we are thinking about submitting for this.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:10 PM Peer Herholz [e-mail]
wrote:

What about the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative RFA for "Essential Open Source
Software for Science"
https://chanzuckerberg.com/rfa/essential-open-source-software-for-science/
?

The deadline is either early February or August 2020. However, I'm not
entirely sure if the work proposed here would be considered eligible (given
the already tremendous and still increasing importance and impact of BIDS,
I think it does/should) and how folks feel about this. Maybe someone with
more experience regarding these funding sources (@satra
https://github.com/satra, @yarikoptic https://github.com/yarikoptic,
@poldrack https://github.com/poldrack), as well as the community could
provide feedback!?

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